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San Diego Padres
@ Chicago Cubs

Thursday, May 15, 2008, 1:20 PM CDT
Wrigley Field

Greg Maddux vs Ryan Dempster

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There's a game today? I thought all you guys wanted to talk about was the Cubs' acquisition of Jim Edmonds.

Here's what Cardinal fans think:
edmonds is a cub. and they can have him. he’ll probably fare better in wrigley than he did in petco park, where he hit .091 (3 hits in 33 trips), but he’s washed up nonetheless. the cardinals moved him so he wouldn’t block their prized cf prospect, colby rasmus; the cubs just acquired him and another castoff, reed johnson, to block the path of their young stud cfer, felix pie. better them than us.

Padres fans weigh in, too. (That post also contains a really frightening photo. Beware!)

Jim Hendry explains the move:

"There is really no negative in it," Hendry said. "You're not giving up players. You're not spending a lot of dollars, so you look at things like that and, hopefully, he'll be able to give us at least a great portion of the Jim Edmonds we all knew and used to fear in a lot of ways."

Well, we'lll see. In the meantime, Bruce Miles reminds us of a confrontation between Edmonds and Carlos Zambrano in July 2004:

Zambrano hit Edmonds with a pitch in the first inning at Wrigley Field. In the fourth, Edmonds hit a homer and admired his drive a little too long for Zambrano's liking.

Zambrano struck out Edmonds in the sixth and did a little finger-wagging. In the eighth, Scott Rolen homered off Zambrano, who then drilled Edmonds and was ejected.

Here's the game in question, July 19, 2004. The Cardinals won 5-4.

Shockingly, Jay Mariotti gets it right today:
Know what amuses me about Cubdom? If Jim Edmonds rips a game-winning home run today, 40,000 fans will develop instant amnesia about why they hate him. They'll jump, scream, dance, bow, shimmy, do the Soulja Boy thing, demand a curtain call, scream louder when he doffs his blue cap, sing "Go Cubs Go" and vanish merrily into a Wrigleyville afternoon while reminding their friends, "Dude, I told you Edmonds was a good pickup."

He's right. Now, on to the actual game today.

Today's Starting Pitchers
Ryan Dempster
R. Dempster
Cubs
vs. Greg Maddux
G. Maddux
Padres
4-1 W-L 3-3
2.76 ERA 3.60
36 SO 26
23 BB 8
3 HR 5
vs. SD -- vs. Cubs

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Ryan Dempster 4-1 8 8 0 0 0 0 49.0 29 22 15 3 23 36 2.76 1.06


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Greg Maddux 3-3 8 8 0 0 0 0 50.0 50 23 20 5 8 26 3.60 1.16

Jim Edmonds is 10-for-38 lifetime against Greg Maddux with three doubles and two HR. Maddux has thrown pretty well this year, although he had one really bad start vs. Arizona where he gave up nine earned runs. Of the 5 HR he's allowed, three of them were in his first start of the year.

We all love Maddux, but as far as I'm concerned, he can win his next start.

Ryan Dempster has been consistent all year -- going at least six innings in six of his seven starts so far. He still needs to stop walking so many hitters -- averaging more than three walks per start. Brian Giles absolutely kills him -- .406/.487/.750 (13-for-32, 3 doubles, a triple, 2 HR, 10 RBI, 6 BB). Otherwise he handles these guys pretty well, apart from, of all people, Maddux, who is 2-for-5 lifeetime vs. Dempster (a single, a double).

Today's game is on CSN -- no San Diego TV, so Cub fans won't be subjected to the bleatings of the worst announcer in baseball, Matt Vasgersian. For more see the MLB.com Mediacenter.

MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)

MLB.com Gameday (2008 version)

Baseball-reference.com game preview

Today's overflow comment thread will post at 2:45 pm CT.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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Pie

has been sent down to AAA.

"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella

by Lou In Blue on May 15, 2008 11:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

thanks...sorry, I just read the a.m. post

Can that really be good for Pie’s morale? I suppose Al is right though, they can always bring him back up…..I think the 300K would be better spent subsidizing a discount on beer for a few games.

by coral on May 15, 2008 11:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Truth of the matter is

its not good for Pie’s morale. This is a trial and error situation. Lou has been working with Pie for a while now, and most likely feels its still hasn’t paid off. He’s suppose to go get more reps in AAA and refine his game. Hopefully this is just a bump in Pie’s road to the bigs.

"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella

by Lou In Blue on May 15, 2008 11:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Good god.

Can we beat this dead (Eight Belles) horse anymore?!! Let’s wait and see what happens, people. What’s done is done.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 15, 2008 11:46 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed.

And disagree w/ Hendry’s “No negatives” assertion. It’s not a negative when you’re hindering the development of your most coveted prospect?

"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry

by Jayo525 on May 15, 2008 12:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I get to watch him in Des Moines...

Lucky me.

The scoreboard guy at Iowa Cubs games thinks it’s really funny to post this on the video scoreboard on games when Pie plays:

“TODAY’S GAME IS BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE NUMBER 3.14”

I’ll give Hendry the benefit of the doubt on this one for a change. He’s had an amazing offseason and season thus far with Kosuke and Johnson, so this can’t be that bad, can it?

Help me Obi-ONEDEC. You're our only hope.

by IowaCubs- on May 15, 2008 11:47 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That IS funny.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 15, 2008 11:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Math humor ROCKS~!

Okay, "Wendy: hot and juicy redhead." Give this a try.

by neverAcquiesce on May 15, 2008 12:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

OK...

How about: There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary, and those who don’t.

Dome-san!!

by Goat Whisperer on May 15, 2008 12:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow...

that’s fantastic.

Okay, "Wendy: hot and juicy redhead." Give this a try.

by neverAcquiesce on May 15, 2008 12:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Probably better than this one...

There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can’t.

by John Q Freejazz on May 15, 2008 12:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

[Obligatory comment about being/first/second/third]

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 15, 2008 11:36 AM CDT   0 recs

Haha.

"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry

by Jayo525 on May 15, 2008 12:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

if edmonds plays well

I’ll gladly admit that I was wrong.

If he doesn’t play well. Well then I was right.
4th

---AC 00 00 00 - Believe

by mjk83 on May 15, 2008 11:37 AM CDT   0 recs

Great Story if Edmonds Is Cubs' Savior

Not bloody likely, though. I would also love to be wrong about Edmonds.

by memphiscub on May 15, 2008 11:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Jesus Edmonds looks HUGE in that picture

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 15, 2008 11:38 AM CDT   0 recs

It kinda looks like...

...he’s trying to carry a keg of beer. I bet he’s doing bicep curls in the corner of the clubhouse with full barrels of beer as he further alienates his teammates as they celebrate their World Series victory. He’s probably focusing on getting strong enough to run through the ivy & brick of Wrigley Field a few years later.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 15, 2008 11:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Whew...

At first I thought the Cubs had signed Jim Edmonds…I feel better knowing it was just Jesus Edmonds instead…

by smmcctrk on May 15, 2008 11:44 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Someone needs to remind Mariotti

he’s not a 27 year old beat writer….

They’ll jump, scream, dance, bow, shimmy, do the Soulja Boy thing…..

"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella

by Lou In Blue on May 15, 2008 11:45 AM CDT   0 recs

Not to mention...

...who the hell shimmies anymore??

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 15, 2008 11:47 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I shimmy

but then again I’m 22 and get dragged into dancing bars. Sadly Mariotti does it get it right. I won’t cheer for him until he has a hell of a month. Only way I see myself enjoying seeing that pompous troll around CF. I wonder how many routine fly balls he turns into highlight reel catches for us?

"You just don't know understand how frustrating this is"- Kevin Borseth

by TkGoUWGB on May 15, 2008 11:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

34.

Seriously, who cares?

"Anything under 5 pitches is a bad at-bat."

by Fukumania on May 15, 2008 12:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Dancing bars as in

Clubs?

"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry

by Jayo525 on May 15, 2008 12:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

All this talk

about how Ed is a bad clubhouse guy, (someone give some instances). People who say that Ed is a hot dog & purposely dives for balls to make highlight reels are not thinking clearly. Why would a professional ball-player do that? Think about it. Just kills me that people that don’t like Ed will say anything to down him. Let’s remember that Ed has 8 gold gloves. Gold Gloves don’t come from playing defense in a hot dog way. For a CF, they come from speed to get to the gaps, understanding hitter preferences and lining up appropriately & taking prudent routes to fly balls. Ed is pro. He might be done, he might not. Let’s just see, can we at least give him a chance? If he makes the team better, great! If not, kick him to the curb.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on May 15, 2008 12:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You're really stickin' with this Ed thing, eh?

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 15, 2008 1:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yep.

Does it really bother you? At least I don’t spell it like some do, “Edmunds”.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on May 15, 2008 1:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Souljay Boy?

YOUUUUUUUUUU

"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry

by Jayo525 on May 15, 2008 12:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Who the hell is Soulja Boy?

So nobody has to see the scroll bar on my posts!!!!

by McRipper on May 15, 2008 12:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You could get Supermanned for asking that question, you know. I’d be careful.

by HereComesASpecialBoy on May 15, 2008 12:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Supermanned?

Man, I didn’t realize how old I am until right now. Seriously, is he a rapper?

So nobody has to see the scroll bar on my posts!!!!

by McRipper on May 15, 2008 12:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I have no

clue what it means either.

by sue369 on May 15, 2008 1:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

haha

Good, at least it’s not just me.

So nobody has to see the scroll bar on my posts!!!!

by McRipper on May 15, 2008 1:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

MADDUX

Light him up

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 15, 2008 11:50 AM CDT   0 recs

half-shirt

ahahaha. the awesome half-shirt. living in st. louis, i for one am TIRED of seeing those.

by Radiohead17 on May 15, 2008 11:50 AM CDT   0 recs

Padres announcers defense

Considering the last two years I’ve heard every National League announcer from Extra Innings and MLB.TV I have to say I was actually entertained by the Padres announcing last night. They were honest and shared some of my opinions.

Of course I’d much rather hear Len and Bob who I’ve truly enjoyed listening to for the last couple years.

by ak123 on May 15, 2008 11:55 AM CDT   0 recs

Anyone hear Tony Kornheiser took a buyout?

http://www.reuters.com/article/artsNews/idUSN1449566220080515

This is JUST like the last season of THE WIRE, The Greatest Show of All-Time. Even the best of the best writers get bought out by the media bigwigs, assholes.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 15, 2008 11:57 AM CDT   0 recs

Did you read the article?

“Kornheiser, 59, has not written a regular column for the paper’s print edition since 2006, a Web search site shows, but excerpts from his “Talking Points” video program on washingtonpost.com run on page 2 of the paper’s sports section. Kornheiser also is an analyst for ESPN’s Monday Night Football.”

“I love the paper. They were great to me every day that I was there,” he told Reuters. “But I don’t do much for the paper anymore.”

by bison on May 15, 2008 12:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No, I just posted a link I didn't read.

After Bissinger’s rant last week, you think newspapers would want to RETAIN important, name-recognition personas such as Tony’s. I didn’t include that portion because it doesn’t really say how he was paid – pro-rated for his services? Salary? Kinda hard to say how much he’s worth without knowing this.

And did you read the article? Or just hit ctrl+c and ctrl+v?

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 15, 2008 12:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Bissinger on Costas

When he was on the HBO show with Costas, I found it ironic that Bissinger was using bleeping language in criticizing the bleeping material that is seen on a lot of blogs. What a way to be a pot calling the kettle black!

by memphiscub on May 15, 2008 12:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The man can write, that's for sure...

...but he’s a bit crazy. Sure, 99% of the sports blogs suck, but ones like BCB make it all worth it, right?

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 15, 2008 12:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He's Got Legitimate Gripes

I loved Friday Night Lights, by the way. I’m glad he was visibly angry on the show in expressing his points. There’s a lot of garbage in the blogosphere. However, viewers would have paid more attention to his actual, legitimate complaints, had he been able to use a cleaner mouth.

by memphiscub on May 15, 2008 12:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm evangelic

about Friday Night Lights but his performance with Costas was foam-at-the-mouth batshit crazy

by Emelie on May 15, 2008 1:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

For the equivalent of a a few PTI-like blurbs...

just to have his name associated with the paper, it hardly seems worth it. At any price. Tough times for newspapers these days.

Tony K the columnist left the Post quite a while ago. Seems like old news…

by bison on May 24, 2008 12:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Screw Mariotti.

What fan base doesn’t do that as a whole? Seriously? You’re supposed to go back into Wrigleyville and murmur under you breath about how “Tomorrow he’ll probably strike out.”

I hate * fans like that. Be happy your team won for christ sakes.

"Anything under 5 pitches is a bad at-bat."

by Fukumania on May 15, 2008 12:05 PM CDT   0 recs

My thoughts exactly.

After reading that snippet I wondered, “Did that really need to be said? You’re getting PAID to write this?!”

Okay, "Wendy: hot and juicy redhead." Give this a try.

by neverAcquiesce on May 15, 2008 12:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Cubs lineup

Soriano, LF
Theriot, SS
Lee, 1B
Ramirez, 3B
Fukudome, RF
Edmonds, CF
Cedeno, 2B
Blanco, C
Dempster, P

by Bruce Miles on May 15, 2008 12:11 PM CDT   0 recs

Two lefties in a row?

Someone explain that one to me. scratches head

"Anything under 5 pitches is a bad at-bat."

by Fukumania on May 15, 2008 12:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Point was?

I thought the point of another lefty power hitter was to break up the lineup righty lefty?

by BigFuko on May 15, 2008 12:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thank god

that the batting ninth comment was a joke. He should be 7th in that lineup IMO

by AndHart120 on May 15, 2008 12:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Its a bad idea

YOU STAT MAN, should know this.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 15, 2008 12:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It actually works out given the cyclical nature of a lineup.

You make up for the extra 40 or so PAs by pitchers a season by the runs you score having a guy on base for the top of your lineup more often.

by cwyers on May 15, 2008 12:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Uh-oh.

I think we had this argument a few weeks back. And it was shown that can account for something like 9 or 11 runs MORE per year.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 15, 2008 12:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Right, or one marginal win.

The key is not to think of the lineup 1-9, but as a cycle.

by cwyers on May 15, 2008 12:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't get me wrong, I think it's a stupid idea...

...but stats are stats. It only works for the right teams, though, too. We don’t mind if Z or Marquis are hitting 9th, right?

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 15, 2008 12:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

OK, fine

Although Ill agree with 100+ years of baseball as opposed to a manager in St Louis and a copycat manager in Milwaukee whos former boss (Bobby Cox) thinks its idiotic.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 15, 2008 12:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Things change...

People used to think walks weren’t a good thing. Then, they thought walks were okay but swinging aggressively was much better. People used to throw their starters for the entire game. The game evolves. It may be that people don’t embrace the idea of batting the pitcher 8th. It may be that the stats aren’t right. But the “this is the way we’ve always done it” argument is pretty poor logic.

by SouthernCub on May 15, 2008 12:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, at the rist of invoking this name...

...Bill James stated in a recent radio interview that batting the catcher and pitcher eighth and ninth was really an arbitrary decision made in the early days of baseball that was never really questioned. There wasn’t much thought put into it besides, well, those guys are usually the weakest hitters, so bat ‘em last. I just don’t think the idea should be dismissed outright just because it clashes with tradition.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 15, 2008 12:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

'Things change' is poor logic too

Soon enough Larussa will go away and so will the pitcher hitting 8th all the time in a lineup. Say Micah Owings, Dontrelle, possibly Z and some other good hitters batting 7th or 8th over someone like Rey Ordonez or some other defense only guy.

But everyday-———is a poor decision IMO. I hope Lou and no future manager of the Cubs even entertains the idea.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 15, 2008 12:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's not my argument...

that’s my argument as to why your argument is using poor logic. I’m in the boat that believes the stats may have it right in this case.

by SouthernCub on May 15, 2008 12:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Stats are like your brother in law

they lie.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 15, 2008 12:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Only when you don't understand what they're saying...

I’m not saying that batting the pitcher 8th is definitely better. I’m just saying it’s really short-sighted and illogical to argue that it’s wrong simply because tradition did it differently.

by SouthernCub on May 15, 2008 12:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

OK

In the last three posts you have explained your point. I get it, thanks.

Ill believe tradition, the other 28 managers, my knowledge and others to think it is a dumb idea.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 15, 2008 12:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs