The Real Jim Edmonds Story
Yes, I'm making a lot of FanPosts today. None of these really warrants a front-page post, so here goes another.
The folks over at the SBN Cardinals blog, Viva el Birdos, have the real scoop, so they say, on why the Cubs signed Jim Edmonds. They claim he's a spy. Funny stuff.
There is one bit of useful information, found in the comments to that post:
I was at a party with the Cubs team physician this weekend, and he claimed that the team would give JE two weeks to show some signs of baseball life, then give him the old thumbs up/down.
Edmonds looked pretty happy and healthy sitting on his ass all weekend as lefty after lefty took their lumps from the Cub offense.
by Urban Pawnee on May 19, 2008 7:41 AM CDT
Two weeks. Sounds good to me.
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Yeah, I wouldn't think that...
they would give him a whole lot of time to prove that he still belongs. If he stinks up the place, get rid of him and eat the $289K, no harm, no foul….
You ARE freaking out MAN!
by crw89 on May 19, 2008 9:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You wouldn't have to eat the $289K.
That’s what they pay him if he lasts the whole season. If they cut him after two weeks, the Padres and Cardinals pick up the rest of his deal and the Cubs only pay him two weeks’ worth of the prorated minimum salary.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on May 19, 2008 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh ok...
I thought the $289k was guaranteed…so it’s even less of a risk than I thought!
You ARE freaking out MAN!
by crw89 on May 19, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The little details in the fiscal game of MLB
This is actually a good rule for if you trade or take on a guaranteed contract you can’t unload if you decide to cut him. Now if you are foolish and cut him and someone rents him for the minimum it only subtracts the minimum of time used from the guaranteed contract.
As for the spy thing…what an imagination….
Hoffpauir looked overmatched at the plate…swang through and over three sweeping breaking balls in the dirt.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on May 19, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just nerves I think.
Over aggression.
by californiachicagoan on May 19, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you sure about that?
I was under the impression that baseball contracts are guaranteed. The Padres and Cardinals are committed to his old salary (i.e., what he was guaranteed coming into the season) regardless of what the Cubs do with Edmonds. The Cubs (not the Cardinals or Padres) are committed to paying him what they signed him to, right?
The question is whether the major league minimum is also guaranteed. If it’s guaranteed, then the Cubs owe Edmonds $289k regardless of whether or not they cut him. If it’s not guaranteed, then the Cubs are only responsible for what he earns while he’s with the Cubs. The Cardinals and Padres pay the same set amount either way.
by SouthernCub on May 19, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's guaranteed.
Think about it—if the Cubs bring up someone from AAA (call him “Felix Pie”, for example), they pay him the ML salary for the time he’s on the roster. That’s generally called a “split contract”; the player gets the ML salary while he’s on the ML roster, gets paid a minor league wage when he’s in AAA.
Edmonds essentially has a “split contract” - he gets paid the minimum by the Cubs while he is on the Cubs’ roster - the rest is paid by StL and SD, since they are on the hook for the guaranteed deal he signed in the offseason.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on May 19, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That may be the correct analogy, maybe not...
There’s a difference – Pie is not a major league veteran. He’s not even arbitration eligible. There are very different rules for players who haven’t achieved the requisite service time. Edmonds, on the other hand, is a veteran at this point. So it would seem that signing him as a free agent makes that contract guaranteed.
Also, Pie’s split contract is between two organizations under the same umbrella. I don’t know that the same rules apply for different MLB organizations. For example – the Cardinals signed Edmonds to the original contract. They then subsequently traded him to San Diego. San Diego is on the books for the rest of the contract that he signed for, even though he’s no longer with them.
Again, I could be wrong about this, but the comparison between the AAA player and Edmonds doesn’t seem to be a one-to-one match.
by SouthernCub on May 19, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slight edit...
The Padres are on the books for the rest of Edmonds’ St. Louis contract minus the portion being picked up by the Cardinals as part of the trade agreement. The meaning of my sentence didn’t change, but I wanted to get it more accurate.
by SouthernCub on May 19, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guys over at Cubcast
said that Edmonds got the league minimum while on the roster and, as you say, Al, the bulk of his pay ($8M according to them), comes from StL and SD.
Not a bad gig.
It's fun to be a Cub right now. -- Mark DeRosa
by Emelie on May 19, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
...the 289 is guaranteed for Edmonds.
Anyway, it certainly won’t stop them from nuking him in a few weeks if he isn’t doing anything.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on May 19, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point...
whether it’s $289k or a prorated version, it’s not going to keep him here for the duration if he’s not performing. I guess any further debate on the matter is just arguing on the margins.
by SouthernCub on May 19, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea...
...the 289 is the pro-rated amount of the league minimum. The only way they could cut him loose and not pay the balance of the 289, is if he signed a minor league contract, which he didn’t.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on May 19, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really doubt...
...they bothered to sign him to only give him two weeks. I would think he is going to get in the neighborhood of 30 days or so before they let him go (if he is struggling).
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on May 19, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was this party at f15teen?
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on May 19, 2008 9:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't know.
Why don’t you go to VEB and ask the guy who posted?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on May 19, 2008 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been waiting for some good conspiracy theories...
...to come out regarding the Edmonds acquisition. And this one is the best (and, uh, actually first) one I’ve come across.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on May 19, 2008 9:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
2 weeks
A 2 week testing period is only good if you assume Edmonds has nothing left and will undoubtedly show that every time he comes to the plate.
But if you think he could legitimately help the club, how can you tell that in 2 weeks? I mean he didn’t look utterly overmatched in his handful of ABs (and he is batting .500 v. RHP as a Cub so far). So, unless they’re timing his swing and finding it slow, or somehow seeing something with their scouts, then 2 weeks is hardly enough time to judge a player. And if their scouts see something, why didn’t they see that before they picked him up?
No, two weeks does not sound good to me. It sounds like a continuation of a policy to make first-impression snap judgments about players, judgments like the one that kept playing Reed Johnson against RHP because his first two weeks were hot.
by DGU on May 19, 2008 9:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I PREDICT:
he gets a big “knock” in Houston.
by The E-Man on May 19, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, Yeah,Right
double plays aint big knocks!!
Grant Earnhart
by ernie87 on May 19, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mostly agree...
But again, Piniella is an impatient man. He’s shown a history of expecting immediate performance.
I’m more concerned that Edmonds will have a big hit or two in the next few weeks and “earn” the job for the rest of the year, and then proceed to stink the rest of the way with Piniella being blinded by the early success (a la Fontenot last year and Johnson so far this year). Hopefully that doesn’t happen.
by SouthernCub on May 19, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two bad scenarios
1) Edmonds is no good, but looks good in the first two weeks.
2) Edmonds is good, but looks no good in the first two weeks.
Either way, it’s Lou’s sub-par player evaluation that’s the problem, and that’s not going away.
Some of you aren’t worried about #2, thinking, “Well, we’ll get Pie back,” but I don’t think we will. I think we’ll trade valuable players for someone like Ken Griffey Jr. and as far as I can tell, there’s not much difference between Edmonds and Griffey, except that Edmonds is practically free.
by DGU on May 19, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be really surprised if the Cubs traded for Junior.
All signs show he’s headed back to Seattle to finish his career. Plus, he would displace Dome from his natural position, and I’m not sure Jocketty would want to lift a finger to help the Cubs. Come to think of it, I can’t believe Hendry would give potentially valuable young players to a team that, if not ruined by Dusty Baker, could actually give the Cubs a lot of trouble over the next few years.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on May 19, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We already gott'em
we already have the right players,Lou needs to stop over managing,and coach the ones he has got
Grant Earnhart
by ernie87 on May 19, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you.
Why would anyone put any merit in some anonymous post by someone who said they were at a party and got inside info? Just plain silly.
by cubswin on May 19, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was at the game and in
HOFF-POWER’S AB I said to my fiancee (who was looking through the binocs trying to spot the “best looking Cubs”), “Welcome to the Majors, Micah!”
I wasn’t at ST this year – but on TV, and from Al’s reports, Hoff-Power can rake. But hitting at the MLB level is different. Just ask Felix Pie!
by The E-Man on May 19, 2008 9:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It strikes me as odd
that a Cubs team physician would be so candid at a party. Seeing as how the Cubs are so guarded with their injury reports, etc., you would think that the medical staff and other employees would be directed to not speak to the public about internal discussions/decisions. I wonder if this party goer is stretching the truth a bit or something.
Either way, two weeks sounds like a short test period, but it seems that the Cubs are all about short test periods (see Felix Pie)
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on May 19, 2008 9:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he was drunk.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on May 19, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on May 19, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the negative fan reaction to Edmonds
has Cubs management wanting to get the message out that he has a short leash.
by DGU on May 19, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess is
internally Edmonds is on a “short leash” already.
by The E-Man on May 19, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
and the Cubs don’t care who knows it, or rather, the Cubs actually want everyone to know it.
by DGU on May 19, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now
if they would combine that short leash with an acknowledgment that Pie will get a chance at some point . . . I will be a lot happier.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on May 19, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FYI
Pie so far at Iowa:
0 for 12 with 1 walk and 2 strikeouts. Yikes. I hope he turns that around soon.
by Shanghai Badger on May 19, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yikes is right.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on May 19, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That really
doesn’t help Pie’s cause at all.
Any idea if he is at least making solid contact and hitting a lot of at-em balls?
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on May 19, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From MILB Gameday...
Friday, Pie reached on a fielding error to 2B, was HBP, flied to CF, grounded to 1B, and lined out to SS.
Saturday, Pie flied out to left, flied out to right, bunted out, walked, and grounded out to 2B.
Sunday, Pie lined to 1B, struck out swinging, grounded to 1B, and struck out looking.
It’s hard to tell how hard he’s hitting the outs, but he has sprayed the ball somewhat in a limited sample. It’ll probably take more time to really be able to tell.
by SouthernCub on May 19, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My only hope...
...is that Felix is REALLY trying to adjust his approach and doing so is really messing with his ability to execute at the plate. I would also imagine there must be some readjustment process to going from the excitement of playing (or not playing, as it were) on a first place team to the relatively more sedate Triple A level. In any case, he has nowhere to go but up from this. (Um, right, Felix?)
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on May 19, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The risk...
The risk is this….Felix Pie cannot adjust his hitting approach the way the Cubs want him to…or he becomes demoralized by lousy results in the early going and falls back into old bat habits. Pie has proven that his old ways of hitting work wonders against Triple A pitchers. The big challenge for him is to stick with the program that has been prescribed.
Rich Harden is the missing link to a 2008 World Series Championship for the Cubs !
by MDBNIU on May 19, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I know.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on May 19, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like he's working on hitting for contact, at least.
That’s way low on the K meter, yes?
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 19, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Down, yes, but still not good
That’s a pace of well over 100 for a 162-game season
by Shanghai Badger on May 19, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, at least the strikeouts are down.
Really that’s what I would most care about him working on.
by californiachicagoan on May 19, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he consistantly can put the ball in play
he will get a lot of hits just off his speed.
by californiachicagoan on May 19, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We will see..
“They”(the Cubs)will see in time he has nothing left,already falling on his face!
Grant Earnhart
by ernie87 on May 19, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boy, and I'M labeled Mr. Negative
Funny how people are already primed to write off Jim Edmond’s future with the Chicago Cubs.
Rich Harden is the missing link to a 2008 World Series Championship for the Cubs !
by MDBNIU on May 19, 2008 10:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Or Sorianos
oh wait thats you. (crickets…..............)
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on May 19, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This just into the WGN Sports Desk
MDBNIU still doesn’t like Alfonso Soriano as member of the Cubs. But he is grateful that the grossly overpaid “superstar” finally is providing measure of return on the investment. Thanks for playing our game. Vanna will hand you a door prize on the way off stage.
Rich Harden is the missing link to a 2008 World Series Championship for the Cubs !
by MDBNIU on May 19, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for taking me off the ignore list.
That guess hitting hack is do a good job guessing.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on May 19, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even Ray Charles...
was successful in getting a base hit during celebrity softball tournaments my friend.
Rich Harden is the missing link to a 2008 World Series Championship for the Cubs !
by MDBNIU on May 19, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right by he didnt
have 14 RBIS and 39 total bases in the last 7 days. 39 bases in 7 days-—---WOW
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on May 19, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, comparing Alfonso Soriano to Ray Charles. Congratulations! You have just reached A NEW LOW.

Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on May 19, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I'm going to need some proof
of Ray Charles alleged softball successes….
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on May 19, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stand by...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 19, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ooh, now this is exciting!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on May 19, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really...i didn't take my time.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 19, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outstanding.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on May 19, 2008 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's still pretty good.
I wonder where he was hitting in the batting order…
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on May 19, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
after Ted Lilly
of course.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 19, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't Ray know..
that real men only play 16 inch softball….and without gloves too:)
"I realize very well that I could regress to the mean."
-Brian Bannister on his BABIP
by Bump Bailey on May 19, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does your young
daughter write your material because it seems sort of childish.
by sue369 on May 19, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How could she.
She never played baseball in college.
by cwyers on May 19, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Darwin theory was obviously wrong
if blue mike was allowed to procreate.
by Madison Cub Fan on May 19, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pickling beets
Sue, do you have recipe? Do I use vinegar or white wine? Thanks.
Rich Harden is the missing link to a 2008 World Series Championship for the Cubs !
by MDBNIU on May 19, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
first you take your head...
no, wait, let me rephrase.
First, you stick your head…
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 19, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahem...
I believe you meant to say…
First, you pull your head out of…..
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 19, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, if he sticks his head
then we can’t hear him.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 19, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talking out of both sides of my mouth
MDBNIU, do you have any tips? Do I just ignore it when I’m caught or do I just lash out with high-school insults?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 19, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
measure of return?
He hit like you wish you could have back when you “played college ball”. That includes intramural, right?
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 19, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
38 year old outfielders only have a future in card conventions.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on May 19, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, no not really...
Again, reading is fundamental. Nobody claims Jim Edmonds is coming to Chicago to be a messiah. Rather he is here to hopefully serve as a quality complement to Reed Johnson in center field and provide a much needed left-handed bat in the lineup. Personally, I think he ends up doing a fine job given that job description.
Rich Harden is the missing link to a 2008 World Series Championship for the Cubs !
by MDBNIU on May 19, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quality compliment
So he’s here to tell Reed that he made a nice catch in DC? That he likes the goatee? That Reed’s a snappy dresser? Hell, I’ll do that for half what they are paying Edmonds. Anything beyond that, I’m still skeptical – but I hope that I’m wrong.
by Shanghai Badger on May 19, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm....
Cubs gave up zero to acquire Jim Edmonds and the most they are on the hook to pay him in 2008 is two hundred some thousand dollars.
Rich Harden is the missing link to a 2008 World Series Championship for the Cubs !
by MDBNIU on May 19, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
time and time again
you’ve been shown that the Cubs did not give up “zero” to acquire Jim Edmonds. They gave up Felix Pie to the minors, and they may not get him back.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 19, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs didn't give up Pie to get Edmonds
They had given up Pie long before. The sequence was:
1) Pie has starting CF job (this lasted four days).
2) RJ gets 75% playing time (this lasted about a month).
3) Found Edmonds on scrap heap.
If we hadn’t done #3, we’d still be back at #2 and if we were really going to consider trying #1 again, we wouldn’t have done #3. If #3 doesn’t work, we don’t go back to #1, we go to #4.
by DGU on May 19, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping
you’re wrong. :(
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 19, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be glad if I am.
That’s for sure. But the kicker on this for me was in the Carrie Muskat article on the Edmonds pickup. At the end she said something like, “The only loser in this situation is Reed Johnson who had become the everyday CF.”
by DGU on May 19, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you're putting faith
in anything Muskrat says…
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 19, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Reading is fundamental"
Pot, meet kettle.
YOU said Edmonds had a future with the Cubs, or maybe you should read the litany of ignorant, uninformed lunacy you’ve been spewing about him.
Reading is a skill and one you should use on your own comments. To wit:
Funny how people are already primed to write off Jim Edmond’s future with the Chicago Cubs.
He gets his timing in line and he will help this club. That much I’m convinced. A tag team of Reed Johnson and Edmonds in CF is going to be a good thing for this club.
Minimal risk for the Cubs and a lot of upside potential. Edmonds FITS what the Cubs, and importantly Piniella insists, this team needs.
YOU said those things. Maybe if your actually believed reading to be fundamental, you wouldn’t post your laughably contradictory comments day after day.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on May 19, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it really is about $$$$ to you?
You are a Soriano basher, even when he is mashing and winning games single handedly. Yet you support a washed up 38 year old CF who has very little to offer.
Your only real difference maker between the 2 comes down to the large contract for Soriano and the minimal financial investment made to get Edmonds.
Your logic is extremely narrow.
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on May 19, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bingo. It's all about the Benjamins for MDB[lueMike]NIU.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on May 19, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not
but he is most certainly running a bit short on the “smarts”.
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on May 19, 2008 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Edmonds Not Worst Move Ever
Signing Edmonds isn’t in the same class with trading Lee Smith to Boston for Al Nipper and Calvin Schiraldi in the history of bad Cubs moves. Because Edmonds is not costing the Cubs a lot of money, this is not a terrible move. However, I still don’t like it. I would have preferred the Cubs to have kept Pie in Chicago. I don’t see Edmonds being a quality complement to Johnson. If Edmonds doesn’t work out, the Cubs can release him and aren’t out a lot of cash.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on May 19, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Edmonds pickup is a good move
it’s just that it’s been hard to distinguish it from the abominably bad move of mishandling and then bailing on Felix Pie.
by DGU on May 19, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever..
must be a Card.fan!!
Grant Earnhart
by ernie87 on May 19, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe that's because he's a 38-year-old injury risk...
...whose OPS has been steadily declining since 2005. The facts have primed us to write him off, only his performance on the field can change our minds.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on May 19, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two weeks!!
Jim E.,is washed up,do we really think that Tony”the drunk”,would let him go if he were’nt!As far as being a spy,i dont put anything past them,but that is a stretch.
Grant Earnhart
by ernie87 on May 19, 2008 4:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Jim Edmonds just made a great catch in this game. He saved at least one run.
by wrigleyrocker12 on May 19, 2008 7:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Looked like the Edmonds of old
Jim had a hit tonight and made the great catch. He’s an asset to the Cubs until Felix Pie is able to hit ML pitching.
The guy will contribute, given the chance.
by Butchoh31 on May 19, 2008 9:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"The Catch"
Jim Edmonds proved his worth with the glove tonight. He made a catch for the ages. But alas, the sabermagicians will pull out their reams of paper and insist Edmonds is horrible in center field. All I know is that if Edmonds doesn’t make “The Catch” then the Cubs are in a big world of shit in that inning.
Thank you Jim. You’re transitioning nicely. Now lets get the bat cranked up.
Ba-bum, tssssss
by MDBNIU on May 19, 2008 9:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
except
that Pie makes that catch without looking like he’s making a catch “for the ages”. Mostly because he’s smart enough to play farther back in a giant freakin’ stadium that’s very deep in center. But also because he isn’t eight million years old.
Edmonds wasn’t brought in for his defense. He was brought in for his offense. Which is neglected to put on display AGAIN.
It’s got nothing to do with stats, either.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 19, 2008 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I absolutely HATE when an outfielder is 1) positioned wrong, 2) gets a terrible jump or 3) takes a terrible route, and then makes a diving/over the shoulder catch and everyone says “Wow, what a catch!!”
It’s like my college softball team’s motto: “Making the simple look impossible since 2001.”
by TheHawk5 on May 20, 2008 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm...
I wouldn’t ever use defense as an example of Edmonds proving his worth with the Cubs. Pie makes that same catch easily. For one thing, Pie plays a bit deeper. For another, he’s a lot faster. Pie may have been camped under that ball, in fact.
If he starts hitting, I’ll say it is a good pickup. But there’s nothing Edmonds can do defensively to prove he’s more valuable than Pie, because Pie is simply a better defensive player at this point.
by SouthernCub on May 20, 2008 7:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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