Gallardo has torn ACL

by rambler19 on May 2, 2008 1:52 PM CDT Comment 60 comments

It's been reported that Yovani Gallardo has a torn ACL as a result of that nasty collision type thing he had yesterday with Reed Johnson and Prince Fielder. I didn't see it, but Ron Santo made it sound like it looked pretty bad. I find it really surprising that he continued to pitch, but they were commenting on how it seemed to have affected his velocity.

Supposedly he could be out the rest of the season if he needs surgery. They are waiting to see what happens though. This is quite blow to the Brewers. Looks like they'll have to recall Dave Bush.

EDIT: Forgot the source!

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Wow...this is a huge blow to the Brewers!

..I always hate seeing good players go down though. He will be impossible for them to replace, I would assume if its an ACL he’s done for the year.

Felix Pie must play everyday!

by JB 23 on May 2, 2008 2:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

torn ACLs

I’ve had a lot of friends who have torn their ACL and many of them were still able to do most normal activities right up until they had surgery. They could walk without a limp and some even chose to participate in other outdoor activities until the surgery. It’s not recommended because doing so has long-term implications to the other joints and tendons in the knee, but the pain in the knee is all in the initial tear. After that its just mild swelling like if you bruised the knee

this is likely why Gallardo felt like he could pitch and felt fine after getting through the initial pain

As much as I want the Cubs to beat the Brewers, I actually enjoy watching the Brewers play and Gallardo is one of my favorite guys to watch pitch. It’s a terrible blow for their team as well as for the game to have such a good young pitcher go down with such a significant injury

by DartmouthCubsFan on May 2, 2008 2:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't have any ACL's

knee replacements take them out, they pack the old aCL’s around the knee…but no more sports

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on May 2, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Replay

I saw the replays and was surprised the Brewers let Gallardo go back out to pitch. With a young pitcher like that, I wouldn’t have wanted to take a chance.

Of course, I was surprised he was even able to get up and pitch, even more so now knowing that he had a torn ACL.

"Don't think; it can only hurt the ball club."

by Jesse Guam on May 2, 2008 2:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Well they had to have him pitch more

they don’t have enough pitchers in the bullpen!

"Dad gum right this games gonna be played under protest. . . I guarantee this is gonna be one protest that's upheld." --Hawk Harrelson, 6/24/07

by RynoHoF on May 2, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

They've got 13 pitchers in their 'pen!

by DGU on May 2, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You mean 1300, don't you?

n/t

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by Al on May 2, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Where's a photoshopped pic

of the Spartans of 300 wearing Brewers caps when you need it?

Okay, "Wendy: hot and juicy redhead." Give this a try.

by neverAcquiesce on May 3, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Too bad

You hate to see that happen to a player, regardless if he’s an opposing player. He shouldn’t have pitched. Even if he felt he could go. I don’t know if it did more damage, but it didn’t help.

So nobody has to see the scroll bar on my posts!!!!

by McRipper on May 2, 2008 2:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Wow...

... I too am surprised that he stayed in the game if he had a torn ACL. You never like to see players hurt and I wish him well, but I can’t say I’m sorry he won’t be pitching for the Brewers for a while.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 2, 2008 2:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

done and done, waiting for Sheets to go down too

a .500 club waiting to happen

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on May 2, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Huge blow

Yovani Gallardo is one of the best young pitchers in baseball. Hate to see him get injured like that. Suffice to say his loss is a HUMONGOUS blow for the Brewers.

by MDBNIU on May 2, 2008 2:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Yost = Dusty?

What a terrible decision to have him go back out and pitch more.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 2, 2008 2:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I heard that Yost bought a pack of toothpicks in a Houston store tonight and called everyone "dude".

n/t

by zevkalman on May 2, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

LMAO!

n/t

by Fraggin Judge on May 2, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yost should feel HORRIBLE...

I don’t care what my young ace says to me, there is NO way I let him stay in the game after that nasty fall!!! Yost is an IDIOT for leaving him in no matter what official spin the Brewers put on it….but as a Cub fan, I’m DEF not complaining!!!

"next year" is finally HERE!!!!!

by ryno4ever on May 2, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I had the same thought.

n/t

by Fraggin Judge on May 2, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yea at the same time though...

they do have trainers. Yost is a coach (making no reference to his style – just a coach). A trainer should know what is going on there and say absolutely not.

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by HIGGY on May 2, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

True...

... I wonder if it actually got any worse by him staying in, though. The damage had probably already been done.

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by Al on May 2, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I doubt it

They haven’t said how bad the tear is, whether it is a partial or full. Chances are he suffered the bulk of it in the fall and pitching more didn’t hurt it. He gets serious heart and guts points for staying in.

In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this -Oysterband

by Ross on May 2, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

huge

that really hurts the brewers. They are losing a great young pitcher for a while and now have to replace him with a BP pitcher in Dave Bush..

by lance dickson on May 2, 2008 2:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I called it at the game yesterday

1. I thought why the heck is this guy staying in the game
2. I knew it was worse than it appeared, and it appeared grotesque

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"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 2, 2008 2:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

So true

I wondered too. Watching him writhe on the ground for five minutes was one of the most difficult moments in the game. Not as difficult as the 9th inning, but close. Can’t wait for tonight’s game to get both those memories shoved aside in my head.

by Emelie on May 2, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jason Kendall, Cliff Floyd, Robin Ventura...

...and let’s not forget Joe Theisman!

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on May 2, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Theismann had a lot more than an ACL tear to deal with...

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on May 2, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This reminds of the time when the Employee stayed pitching after the collision with Giles.

Afterwards, the Employee was never the same pitcher, except for brief periods of time.

by Fraggin Judge on May 2, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

c patt

remember when corey blew out his ACL? it looked horrible, and he was in terrible pain….then he got up and walked off the field. seemed fine.

that’s the funny thing about these ACL injuries. people say they’re horribly painful at first, but then you actually feel okay afterwards.

so now the question is did he just sort of tear it or did he completely rupture it?

by billywan on May 2, 2008 2:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

exactly

I remember thinking come on Corey get up…he did I felt fine, next day he was done.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 2, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ACLs

It’s weird because when I tore my meniscus, it was painful but not terriblely so, but it took a week before I was even limping decently. And an ACL tear is much more severe than a meniscus.

"Don't think; it can only hurt the ball club."

by Jesse Guam on May 2, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I never

want to see any player get injured. I can’t believe they left him in the game. I wish him the best.

by sue369 on May 2, 2008 2:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

That's horrible

And you hate to see it happen. We should know, as Cubs fans, after going through a few years of the “walking wounded show” with Wood and Prior, how tough this is.

by SuperContext on May 2, 2008 2:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

From what I have gathered

from talking to people with a torn ACL is that the only thing that the person is incapable of doing is sharp lateral movement. Straight forward pushing, walking, running doesn’t cause much pain, even with the torn ligament. The ACL supports the lateral movement of the knee joint, so, being able to walk, etc. afterward is not too difficult.

I am not a doctor or physical therapist however, so anyone with any better info would be great

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 2, 2008 2:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

That's a fair enough assessment

I’ve torn my ACL twice and have had three operations (two scopes and one reconstruction). I can remember going through rehab, the various levels of confidence I had in terms of being able to do things. First, obviously is just being able to put weight on it and simple walking movements. As you get stronger, running and jumping are big confidence builders. I remember feeling like Superman when all I had to do was run, jump, move forward and back. But man, any time I had to cut or go side to side, you just can’t help but feel like it’s going to snap again. Wearing a brace helps, and believe it or not, getting hit again or falling down helps too. But after awhile, you just have to get to the point where you say WTF and let loose. I think that’s pretty much true for recovering from any type of injury or surgery.

In terms of Gallardo… conceivably it could be as simple as wait for the swelling to go down, fit him with a lightweight brace and maybe he only misses a start or two. Or he could need total reconstruction, surgery, and be out rest of the year. Most likely it’s somewhere in between. Even if he has surgery, it’s possible he could be pitching again this season, especially if the surgeons are able to do all their work using arthroscopy (three little holes) instead of cutting the knee open (2-4 inches).

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on May 2, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So

do you think the treatment options would be different if Gallardo were pitching in the AL? It seemed like he pitched well after the injury, so maybe if he didn’t have to bat, he could just wear a brace and finish the year.

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 2, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

nope

I can’t imagine they’d be any different. I would think his treatment (possible surgery, rehab, therapy, etc.) is going to depend on the injury diagnosis – not on whether he has to bat or not. I’m not a doctor, so I’m speaking strictly as a patient and weekend warrior, but I’m thinking that the movements you go through during windup, throwing, and landing – not to mention having to field your position and cover first – are more stressful on the knees than swinging the bat.

Besides, I can’t fathom any team doctor and trainer (even those in a Yost regime) signing off on letting a pitcher go back onto the field as long as they don’t do this or that. You can’t be messing with their heads like that.

Now come last weekend of September, crucial series against the Cubs, division title on the line… well, never count out the power of adrenaline, guts, and dare I say it – sheer scrappiness!!! ;-)

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on May 2, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hate to see this happen,

even to a division rival. Yovani Gallardo was a phenomenal young pitcher and I hope he’s able to successfully rebound from this and be a thorn in the side of the Cubs (and a potential free agent signing when Milwaukee can’t afford him!) for a couple more years.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 2, 2008 2:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Damn it

All that time rehab’n just to get hurt again. Bummer.

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by Keystone80435 on May 2, 2008 3:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Now lets see

if I can trade him in my fantasy league to someone who unaware…

by Keystone80435 on May 2, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hate to see...

ANY player injured, but Yost was completely wrong in leaving him in. Gallardo is a future star with some killer stuff.

You ARE freaking out MAN!

by crw89 on May 2, 2008 3:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Presumably Gallardo said he felt fine.

Sure, you can second-guess the decision, but you have information that Yost didn’t have at the time.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on May 2, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's not really about having

information, though, is it? It’s about a manger doing what manager gets paid to do, and that’s make the call, based on his judgment, that best benefits the team and the player. After a fall like that, info or no info, Yost should’ve pulled Gallardo. If managers always let the pitcher make the call on how he felt, a lot fewer pitchers would get pulled. That’s not hindsight being 20/20, it’s fans expecting manager to do what he’s supposed to do. Yost made call that won him one game and cost him a young ace.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 2, 2008 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

I can’t believe a manager would allow a pitcher to continue after he was rolling around on the ground like that. I would like to think the neither Lou nor Larry would allow what Yost allowed

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 2, 2008 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dusty let Prior continue after

the collision with Giles in July, 2003….your point?

Torn ACL’s and MCL’s are not always easy to detect. It’s not like a (Joe Theismann-like) compound fracture on MNF.

by blackhawk24 on May 4, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What a huge blow to them.

Hate to see good young players go down. Gives me flashbacks.

"Anything under 5 pitches is a bad at-bat."

by Fukumania on May 2, 2008 3:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah. I hope the guy comes back strong.

n/t

by Fraggin Judge on May 2, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hate to see this

For any player, but what an exciting young pitcher he is.

Plus, if we win it, I want to beat the other teams at full strength.

by Shanghai Badger on May 2, 2008 3:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Gallardo has earned

immense respect from me. To think the kid stayed in the game and pitch pretty darn well.

I would want to beat him every time he pitches against the Cubs, but I applaud the guy. What a gamer.

"When you have a fat friend there are no see-saws, only catapults." --Demetri Martin

by Reddevil on May 2, 2008 3:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Good point

Taking a page from Schilling’s book, perhaps.

by Emelie on May 2, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

To learn more about torn ACL's

http://www.ehealthmd.com/library/acltears/acl_whatis.html

In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this -Oysterband

by Ross on May 2, 2008 5:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Dave Kaplan

Didn’t even mention this at 4 and 4:30. I sent him an e-mail and he mentioned it at 5 as if it had just been announced . . . .

by Shanghai Badger on May 2, 2008 5:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

You should have told him to credit BCB and Shanghai Badger!

n/t

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by Al on May 2, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll defer to BCB!

Was posted here before I’d heard on ESPN.

Actually, I hear most stuff here first.

by Shanghai Badger on May 2, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Be grateful Cub fans that Ned Yost isn't our manager

Ned Yost is brutally bad. And I get the sense he is unpopular among the Brewer players. In fact, so unpopular that he makes me look like Al Yellon on BCB.

by MDBNIU on May 2, 2008 5:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

NL Central just became a 2 team race.

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 2, 2008 6:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

1down, 1 to go

Wheres our hitman, we still need to take out sheets…

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying" - Michael Jordan, the one and only...

by LPLancer23 on May 3, 2008 12:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

This is the kind of comment that makes us look bad.

Maybe you were joking, but even so, it’s not funny. WIshing injuries on your rival’s players is decidedly uncool.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 3, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

uncool and classless.

What kind of an asshole wishes for injuries???

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 3, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think it was a joke but I could be wrong...

that guy is a bad ass pitching several innings after that. Can’t say I’m bummed to see him out since he is real good but that sucks for him man…big time!

Calm down.

by Kinky Reggae on May 3, 2008 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He'll do it himself I believe

Besides, any other teams feel sorry for the Cubs when Wood and Prior went down for 2004? It happens all the time, they have to deal with it.

As far as hitman, I don’t know if the Cubs would ever employ that tactic. Who knows maybe Sheets will go the rest of the season healthy. Or, he can get knocked out like Prior a couple years ago from the Brad Hawpe liner (the same guy who beat him in the college WS with a HR).

by blackhawk24 on May 4, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Too bad, deal with it

The Cubs have had their share of injuries and tried to work around it. That’s what Milw has to do.

As far as the injury itself, it’s not always easy to detect, an MRI is usually needed. He’s likely gonna need 3, 4+ months of re-hab depending on the severity.

by blackhawk24 on May 4, 2008 3:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs