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More jealousy of Cubs fans, this time from Houston

This thread from the Houston Chronicle:

http://blogs.chron.com/baseballblog/archives/2008/05/houston_must_st.html#comments

I really don't get it. Does this stem from there being more Cubs fans in their park than Astros fans?

I've always found Yankees and Red Sox fans to be the most belligerent. Most Cardinals fans I don't have a problem with. But I don't get the antipathy toward Cubs fans on the road.

All that said, I do have a problem with Wrigley Field beer fans (you know who they are).

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Strange...

I could be seeing things but it looked like the article was about Rothschild rather than Cubs fans, however the title and comments match what the supposed article was about.

by cubsonWGN4ever on May 20, 2008 2:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

oh never mind

just reread it and the last two sentences are “do you find cubs fans annoying?”

The whole article is somewhat disjointed. My bad.

by cubsonWGN4ever on May 20, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know what...

I have said it once and i will say it again – opposing fans, and announcers are starting to see that the Cubs are putting a decent organization together, a decent team, and a decent coach. We are slowly moving ourselves out of the role of the ‘loveable losers’ – to “holy crap this team might actually beat my team’. We are not the team that everyone can pick on and make fun of any more.

It is almost as if they are becoming threatened by us. They know we have a large fan base, and it scares them. Take a look at the signings of this team for the next 3 years at least. You have the core of the team locked up, and the winning tread could continue.

Dont pay any attention to it, no matter what we will always take crap for being a Cubs fan, but i wouldnt trade it for the world. Jealous is for the people who cant have. And my friend, we all have our team.

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on May 20, 2008 2:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

couldnt have said it better

I have this problem in Bloomington, IN all the time. People hate chicago fans, in particular cubs and bears fans. Well they dont know white sox fans cause they dont leave the southside, but my god people are getting jelous, it is kind of funny because thats how new york yankees fans are percieved, they come off as huge assholes, but now that they arent as good as in the past, less focus is on them and they move to the next media market, Chicago, and start the hate there

"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano

by SouthsideCUBSfan on May 20, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly don't get where all of the animosity comes from

Last week I went with my dad and brother to see the Brewers play the cards in Milwaukee. Since I’m seeing the Cards as a bigger threat right now, we were rooting for the Brewers. When a Brewers fan sitting in front of us-a guy who’d been friendly all game-realized we were Cubs fans, he shot us down with a quick. “I hate the Cubs and the Cardinals” and didn’t say another word to us the rest of the game. i thought it was a pretty classless move but, at the same time, I guess it’s nice to be rooting for the best team for a change-the team that seems on the verge of becoming one of the most dominant teams in baseball. I’ve been a Cubs fan for 30+ years and that’s a very foreign feeling for me. I think i could really get to like it though.

by bluekoolaide on May 20, 2008 2:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Have to ask...

How did he know you were a Cub fan? Did you tell him or where you wearing Cubs stuff? If you were wearing Cubs stuff i disagree with you on doing that.

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on May 20, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

once again

nothing wrong with wearing Cubs things to an opposing ball park. As long as you are not acting like an idiot, there is nothing wrong with it. However, if you wear it, expect to hear about it. If you can’t handle that then wear something else.

Bleeding Cubbie Blue since 1985.

by Bricks and Ivy on May 20, 2008 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I went to a Nationals v. Marlins game on the 11th and wore a red shirt(Nationals colors) and my Cubs hat and rooted for the Nationals(If the Cubs aren’t playing I always root for the home team). The (few) people that were around mostly complemented the Cubs on their success so far and maybe added that they won the series in April, but nobody treated me bad and most wanted to talk about the Cubs and Wrigley Field. I realize that there is no rivalry there, but the fact of the matter is that most “true” fans are baseball fans first and foremost. I will watch any team play and root for other teams and players, but the Cubs are my team.

"I'm not giving him a high-five ever again." - Sammy Sosa, joking about Moises Alou's personal habits

by MorePiePlease on May 21, 2008 7:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree -

but to me it seems that the people wearing it wear it to provoke the fans because they know someone will say something.

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on May 21, 2008 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

First of all, wearing your teams colors is not

done to automatically provoke another team’s fans (unless the other team’s fans are morons). Last time I checked, we still lived in a free country and are allowed to wear what we want, etc. You’re making a very generalized statement-lumping everybody into one certain group and, like most generalized statements, it’s completely wrong.
For what it’s worth, I was wearing a Cubs warm-up jacket and I’m happy to report that the only comment I heard about it was a good-natured jibe by one of the ticket takers (he laughed and told me I’d have to go to the back of the line-i laughed back and promised to root for the Brewers that day).
The Brwers fan who ripped on the Cubs to me didn’t see the jacket (I had it off). It was only after we started talking and I casually mentioned we were from Chicago that he told me he hated the Cubs. Geez, maybe I “provoked” him by telling him where I was from. I guess in the future we should hide that kind of stuff too, right? Plus, all through the game, we were vocally rooting for the Brewers. Of course I was also probably provoking the Cardinals fans in the section. Boy, it’s hard sometimes to keep track of all the possible provocations you can be guilty of at a sporting event!
When I go to Cubs games at Wrigley Field, I couldn’t care less what anybody wears. Truth is, I hardly even notice it. It absolutely blows me away that we’ve devolved so much as a culture that we now have to be careful to not dress in a way that’s going to provoke the mouth breathers in the audience.

by bluekoolaide on May 21, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wore a Cub jacket to an Indians/Yankees game at Yankee Stadium last year.

Not only was I not harassed, I got into some great talks with Yankee fans. Some of them wanted to ship A-Rod to the Cubs at the time. That was the day he hit the three-run walkoff.

We had some fun ragging on Kyle Farnsworth.

Guess it’s just about who you’re sitting near.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 21, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wanted the Yankees to ship A-Rod to the Cubs, too.

Still do…

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on May 21, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard...

All of us Cub fans smell funny. I seem to doubt that though.

by TheHawkRules on May 20, 2008 3:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Like what?

stale Budweiser and polish sausages? Maybe a little nacho cheese spritz?

Geovany Soto you're my Hero

by love the ivy on May 20, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This might be weird

but i HATE! the astros – more than the cards, way more than the white sox, and almost as much as the phillies! I can’t exactly explain it, but I have always hated the ‘stros. Maybe its cuz they owned this division for quite a while in the 90s, or maybe its the history of eye-burning jerseys. maybe its because they come from the smoggiest city in the state of Bush. Whatever it is, I can’t stand the astros and I hope they flounder BIG TIME in this series and beyond. This jealousy or whatever it is from fans just adds to my astro disdain.

"I'll play any day. I don't care if I'm 0-for-30, playing baseball is my PASSION. I'll go out and play." - Geo Soto

by CubbyBlues on May 20, 2008 3:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My Dislike for the Astros

Milo Hamilton – Not a very good announcer, often does a running comentary rather than call the play by play. (Thank goodness the Cubs dumped him)

by StevenABQ on May 20, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never cared for them either

That stupid stadium gets me the most. From the Sun glaring in during the start of last night’s game, to the stupid hill in CF, to the abruptly short LF distance, to that accursed train that blows after a Astros home run.

Like many people, I’d love to visit all of the MLB parks, but I would probably pass on going to Houston.

by Neifi Puppy on May 20, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's the deal with that train anyway?

They’re the ASTROS! You’d think they’d have a rocketship or a meteor or something. But no, they adorn their stadium with trains. Seriously, is there any sort of rationale for this? Is the stadium by an Amtrak station or something? Does Lionel own the team?

by Rev Gunia on May 20, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al summed it up

He pointed out in an earlier post, how the Astros appeared to have latched on to every available gimmick for thier ballpark. I agree, including (and certainly not limited to) Strange park dimensions, unusual mascots (eg: that Rabbit thing), a reproductions 19th century locomotive, and a hill with a flagpole in the outfield—the dumbest part about the place.

by StevenABQ on May 20, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's on the site

of an old trainstation.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 20, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder

How many Stros fans would have known that little gem.

by StevenABQ on May 20, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right, and...

... once they sold the naming rights, the train motif was done (It was originally to be called “The Ballpark at Union Station”).

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 20, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

its a shame the sold the naming rights

that actually has a nice ring to it

---AC 00 00 00 - Believe

by mjk83 on May 20, 2008 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the flip

The one thing I like about the Astros = Carlos Lee

by StevenABQ on May 20, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

heresy!!!

Before Edmonds: 24-16, (.600); With Edmonds: 4-1 (.800), DRS: 1

by joeschmitt on May 20, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How so

He has always been a pretty classy kind of guy. Beloved by his fellow players and fans from all franchises. Unless you care to clue me in on some dark horrible truth about him?

by StevenABQ on May 20, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He hits Cubs pitching well

That’s the only reason I don’t like him.

by SuperContext on May 20, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

But there are lots of fans of other teams I’ve met that like guys like D Lee and Ramirez for the same reasons…and they’ve been known to hook onto a fastball a time or two…

by StevenABQ on May 20, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Carlos Lee actually seems like a decent guy.

I mean, he’ll definitely go down as one of the top Cubs killers of all time, but look at last night - he got played some serious chin music TWICE and never even did so much as cast as harsh glare out at the mound. And after Edmonds made The Catch, he gave ol’ Jimbo Ballgame “the business” (a playful tackle/hug of sorts) as the Cubs were exiting the field. I don’t have a problem Carlos - personality-wise, at least — whatsoever. Now Miguel Tejada on the other hand…

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 20, 2008 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

I hate the fact that he kills us, but the more I watch him and hear about him the more impressed I am with Carlos Lee, the person. He seems like he would be a real cool guy to hang out with.

---AC 00 00 00 - Believe

by mjk83 on May 20, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personal Experience

Another reason why I really like his personality, is 2 years ago when he was a Brewer, my wife and I went to San Diego to watch the Cubs/Padres game (it was awful – sweep). But we hung around for a Brewers game the next day. We were sitting right down the line, and during the seventh inning stretch I really belted it out (To show those Padres fans hows its done) He gave me a thumbs up and a little applause as he walked out to LF. The Brewers fans near me all slapped my back, and then proceeded to regale me with thier C. Lee stories. It was awesome.

by StevenABQ on May 20, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know that...

... Lee loves bantering with the LF bleacher fans when he comes to town, and this dates back to his days with the White Sox. Had the Cubs ever acquired him, he’d have been an instant fan favorite.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 20, 2008 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You had to say it didn't you Al?

Oh how I wished the Cubs would have signed him. It seemed that every time the Brewers played at Wrigley Lee was guaranteed a 4 bagger. Maybe even two. It would have been awesome having that guy play 82 games a year on the North Side.

"I'm not giving him a high-five ever again." - Sammy Sosa, joking about Moises Alou's personal habits

by MorePiePlease on May 21, 2008 7:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would have been great.

But apparently, Lee wanted to play in Texas (where he owns some land).

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 21, 2008 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I went to a game at the Juice

Box a few years ago and I almost went deaf. It’s not like a baseball stadium, it’s more like a gymnasium. The worst was when they set off fireworks while the roof was closed. What kind of lunatics run that franchise?

The train with the oranges in it is pointless, too.

by daeviant on May 21, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I've seen

What I’ve seen more and more is fans in St Louis and Houston and Milwaukee complaining about the Cubs payroll.

We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.

by cubstoseriesby100 on May 20, 2008 3:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Who cares what they think of us.

Astros fans don’t like me; I’m fine with it. Cardinals fans don’t like me; that’s cool. Tampa Bay Rays fans find me obnixious; I’ll live. In fact, I expect them not to like me or fans of just about any other team (and especially teams that beat them). So, to read yet another article about how “annoying” Cubs fans are, or about how we’re persons of low character (e.g. drunks, frat boys), or about our low IQ doesn’s surprise me. (and by the way, labeling someone you don’t like as either stupid or corrupt is highly common; observe ANY election campaign).

So, thanks for posting it, but don’t get yourself worked up over it.

by Rev Gunia on May 20, 2008 3:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I liked the guy who posted in that "article"...

complaining about how somebody almost ruined his cashmere sweater in SF. I don’t want to sound like an “annoying Cubs fan” but…Who wears cashmere sweaters to a baseball game?

by JFG72 on May 20, 2008 3:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well as I recall

Red cashmere for grandmothers visiting from St. Louis during the Cardinals Cubs series. They like those old women hats too.

Yet another thing to love about our fans, especially those ladies in the 60+ variety.
My observation of this demographic during the Cubs Cardinals series last August:

1) Cardinals Fans: Red blouse, straw hat.

2) Cubs Fans: Cubs Jersey or Jacket Ballcap optional but a popular choice.

by StevenABQ on May 20, 2008 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

HAHA!!

I knew you would step up!!

Put me down down for one, Al!!

by JFG72 on May 20, 2008 4:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

this is how I responded...

to the A hole astros fans
I m a diehard Cubs fan. The cubs are a huge part of my life and I’m pretty appauled by some of the things said about are fan base. First of all, the cubs have a huge fan base and the people who are ignorant to put sterotypes on an entire fan base should look in the mirror when they are talking about ignorant fans. Obviously when we have this many fans, a percentage is not going to be a true baseball fan but this goes for all baseball teams, not just the cubs. I love the game of baseball and people who say cubs fans are oblivous to the game are once again sterotyping a small percenatge of the fans and placing it on an entire fan base. I try to be as respectful to other fans as I can but when people continue to bash us who have supported their franchise and show up to their games (home and away) despite 100 years without a World series, I begin to think that you are the ones who arent great fans. I know majority of you guys arent that ignorant but I can see some of you on this page and it upsets me. Go cubs, good luck the rest of this series.

by dlee25 on May 20, 2008 4:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If I worried about what people thought of the different groups I'm associated with

I’d be really depressed. I’m a Cubs, Bears, and Bulls fan. I was a 3 sport athlete in high school (football, wrestling, track). I was also in band and orchestra. I’m an Eagle Scout. I was in a fraternity in college. I have a degree in Computer Science. According to the stereotypes and what you hear people say I have been a : dumb jock, a band geek, a goody good, a drunk pretty boy and a nerd..and that’s just the stuff that I can type here at BCB. Who cares what Astros fan’s think of Cubs fans? As I’ve said before, “It doesn’t matter if you believe me or not, it doesn’t change the fact that what I am saying is the truth. We know the truth about the good citizens of Wrigleyville. The fact that some people have a distorted image of us doesn’t change that.

---AC 00 00 00 - Believe

by mjk83 on May 20, 2008 4:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Astros fans are a joke

I lived in Houston (one of the worst cities in the country) for 5 years and went to many Astros games. Some against the Cubs, some not. The fans are a joke. The only time they make any noise is either when the “noise ‘o’ meter” goes off or they play “Deep in the Heart of Texas”. Other than that they sit on their hands and take naps. The stadium is an improvement over the Astrodome but the train is beyond stupid and they market to kids way too much. Everything that happens in the game is followed by some noise or flash on the jumbotron. It is a surreal experience to watch a game there. I’ll take rowdy fans with a stadium that is built for baseball over that any day.

by LerxstCub on May 20, 2008 7:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

WGN

obviously has created a Cubs fanbase that spans coast to coast. I’m from Alaska and grew up a Cubs fan in a sea of people who, for the most part, really didn’t care about baseball (closest team is the Mariners, which is still a good 700 miles from where I live). Going to college in the lower 48 was a huge change, meeting diehard Cards fans who immediately assumed I was a dumb jock/frat boy. It’s so true that there really isn’t a “typical” Cubs fan.

That said, the one group of fans who I can’t stand now is Red Sox fans. I used to root for them before they broke their own curse, but now every Red Sox fan I meet now generally comes off as an arrogant a-hole.

"Hey! If the moon were made of ribs, wouldja eat it? I know I would!"

by cubs0505 on May 20, 2008 9:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Do you think...

... that will happen to us when the Cubs finally break the drought?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 21, 2008 4:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes I do

The only thing is that I think that attitude will come from those that are new to Cubfandom. I don’t think anything will ever make fans that have been around for 20+ years forget what this team has been through.

A friend of mine, also a huge Cubs fan, joke that at the beginning of each season Cubs fans should have to apply for a “fan card” in order to differentiate band wagon jumpers from “real” fans in the event a championship is won.

"I'm not giving him a high-five ever again." - Sammy Sosa, joking about Moises Alou's personal habits

by MorePiePlease on May 21, 2008 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BoSox fans have always been obnoxious

Now they have something (2 of them actually) to back it up. But I have to say, I’ve run into plenty of them over the years and have several New England connections. They are one of – if not the most – knowledgable bunch of fans in all of sport. Boston is one of the few cities in the US that has had recent success by all 4 of their major sports teams simultaneously. Not too many other cities can say that now, nor could have ever said that.

When was the last time all 4 major sports here in ChiTown have had playoff teams all in the same year/season?

I chalk this whole [Houston] thing up with one word, ENVY. IMHO, the Cubs have the LARGEST major league team fan base outside their city’s metro area. They play in a neighborhood ball park that is in the top three tourist destinations of that city’s visitors; this of a city of 3 million and metro area of 9.5 million. Their ball park isn’t a throwback to yester-year, it is a close to yester-year as can be, especially in the present games’ economic climate. The area around the ball park is a total buzz hours before a game starts. They play to 98% capacity for years running and have the notoriety because of ‘GN. Why wouldn’t another teams’ fan not be envious?

And what triggered it? A columnist, who’s sole purpose is to build on controversy or stir it up.

Get used to this Cubs fans, it’s only going to intensify. When more and more of those Anno Catuli digits go to zero, ENVY will go up exponentially.

by blackhawk24 on May 23, 2008 7:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A Texan view

Hey,i’m a die hard Cubbie i go to Minute Maid to see them,and yes they tell us we are the very worst,it comes from jealousy and there lack of passion for there team,they show up late and leave early,we show up early and leave late.But most are light hearted about it

Grant Earnhart

by ernie87 on May 21, 2008 2:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I've been to MM

and prior to that the Astrodome. Altogether maybe 80 games. I have never had even a hint of a problem with their fans. We all rib each other but that’s normal. For the life of me i don’t understand all the animosity. My feeling is that if you’re looking for a problem, you can find one. But if you’re just supporting the Cubs it doesn’t create a problem. I know a thousand Astro fans and almost all of them like the Cubs, just not against the Stros.

If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.

by tharr on May 21, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I kind of understand

where these fans of other teams get the ideas that Cubs fans are drunken losers. Whenever an dumb drunk frat boy runs onto the field or throws crap onto the field it makes national news and they spend 5 minutes on ESPN on it. There are idiots at all stadiums but they don’t represent their entire fan base… unless they’re White Sox fans… KIDDING!

Most Cubs fans are pretty respectful. I was at a game and there was a Cardinals fan and a White Sox fan sitting in the stands (the Cubs were playing the Pirates) and other than a few lighthearted jabs and heckles they were treated well.

The fans that I’ve grown to loathe in the last year are Brewers fans, mostly because they seemed to come out of nowhere to take potshots at the Cubs and Cubs fans. Now that the Brew Crew are in last place they all seemed to disappear. And they say WE’RE crappy fans.

by daeviant on May 21, 2008 2:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bottom line is that every team has it's share of obnoxious fans

just like every team has fans who carry themselves with genuine respect for the game and for other people no matter who they root for.
I’d have to be as big of an idiot as Marty Brennaman to lump an entire team’s fans together based on the actions of just a few.
One of my best friends is a diehard Cardinals fan. We met in college-recognized a shared love of baseball and, although we could never cheer the other’s team, we’ve always respected each other’s fandom. I still remember him trying to console me (it didn’t work) after the Cubs blew the playoffs to San Diego in 1984. Ever since then I’ve always tried to take the high road-the way I look at it, most real baseball fans tend to be respectful of other team’s fans.

by bluekoolaide on May 21, 2008 2:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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