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Eight Bad Pitches: Cubs 2, Astros 4

Len Kasper said it best, right after Hunter Pence hit the grand slam that held up for Houston's 4-2 win over the Cubs last night. It wasn't "one bad pitch", as is often said when an opposing player hits a key home run.

In the case of last night's game, it was the eight pitches out of the strike zone that Ryan Dempster threw in the Houston fourth inning after Miguel Tejada had led off the inning with a double.

They were the only two walks Dempster issued -- not terrible for a six-inning outing -- but that was the difference in the game, all six runs scoring as the result of home runs; Aramis Ramirez had hit a ball way up on the outfield facing to give the Cubs a two-run lead in the top of the fourth inning. This has been Dempster's problem throughout his career -- too many walks.

The Cubs didn't leave too many men on base last night -- only seven -- but did leave RISP in the 5th, 7th and 9th, and the 7th was the inning that they should have gotten to Chris Sampson and Doug Brocail, who relieved Sampson, because in that inning there were two singles and a walk. Unfortunately, in between the two singles, Jim Edmonds hit into a double play, and then after Micah Hoffpauir reached base for the first time in his brief ML career by drawing a walk, Brocail was summoned and he struck out Alfonso Soriano to end the inning. Edmonds is now 2-for-12 as a Cub with a walk, two strikeouts, and one DP ball. He'll have to do better than this to justify the move.

Funny game, baseball. Soriano and Lance Berkman came into this series as the two hottest hitters in the game. They are a combined 1-for-15 in this series so far.

Good news: Jose Ascanio, just recalled, made his Cubs debut, and despite walking two Astros, managed to get through two innings without allowing any runs. The Astros out-walked the Cubs four to two last night, and that, essentially, was that. I have confidence that Sean Gallagher, who has thrown well in both his starts so far, can beat Houston and Shawn Chacon (who has the unusual distinction of making nine starts this year so far, all no-decisions) and win the series tonight.

More good news: Derrek Lee had three more hits last night and seems to be coming out of his slump. There was some talk about starting Hoffpauir tonight to give D-Lee two days off in a row, but maybe now he doesn't need that.

Finally, the controversy over Geovany Soto's HR Monday night (was it really officially "outside" the park based on ground rules) prompted a major meeting of MLB umpiring and other officials early Tuesday:

In response to a somewhat controversial call made during Monday's series opener between the Cubs and Astros, officials reworked one of the yellow lines that indicates a home run, located just to the right of the "bmcsoftware" sign above the visitors' bullpen in left-center.

Bob Watson, MLB vice president rules and on-field operations, called it a more "umpire-friendly" line, which will better differentiate between a home run and a ball in play.

A yellow wood board that served as a home run indicator was removed, and in its place is a simple yellow painted line, drawn on the inside part of the wall.

Isn't this a wacky ballpark?

via chicago.cubs.mlb.com

The Cubs maintained their two-game division lead when the Cardinals lost late last night in San Diego. That's really all there is to say -- sometimes, you just get beat. Until later today.

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Actually...

...Edmonds has now grounded into 2 double plays.

by jolietconvict on May 21, 2008 8:35 AM CDT   0 recs

True.

Further proving my point.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 21, 2008 9:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

move Edmonds to the 8th hole

Not seeing too many other option right now.

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on May 21, 2008 11:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

release him.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 21, 2008 11:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm the horse's rear that said Edmonds would hit.....

...18 HR’s yesterday. I suck. I am wrong.

After witnessing his pitiful inability to get around at all on a 90 mph pitch, I now have profound reservations that timing is his only problem.

Got to thinking-38 year old vet-had about 90 ab’s with SD-Cards said no thanks-SD said see ya’-we’ll pay you not to be here and would rather start Jody “stinkin” Gerut….there’s ALOT of smoke here. All too often, I get my Cub blue sunglasses on. I’ve not given up yet; but within the next 10 days or so, if he can’t pull a fastball-cut him.

BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"

by cubfever7 on May 21, 2008 11:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

believe me

I’d like nothing more for him to be productive—it would, at least, make using Pie’s last option somewhat worthwhile.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 21, 2008 12:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Are you guys sure about Pie's option?

People mention it here—but i never see or hear it anywhere else.

BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"

by cubfever7 on May 21, 2008 12:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Absolutely positive.

Remember – they’re option YEARS. Pie can be recalled as often as the Cubs like this season, just so long as he stays in the minors at least 10 days inbetween.

by cwyers on May 21, 2008 12:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yup...

he can be called up and down as much as the Cubs like this year. After this year, though, the story changes, because this was his third year on the 40-man roster, and he’s been an optional assignment in each of those three years.

by SouthernCub on May 21, 2008 1:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Then how relevant is it really?

We’re in win now mode to be sure. If he can yo-yo this year, no problem. If his feces aren’t coagulated enough to stay out of the minors next year, they may never be.

BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"

by cubfever7 on May 21, 2008 1:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's only relevant if...

Edmonds doesn’t pan out and we essentially wasted the option. It also reduces Pie’s trade value a bit because any future team would have to keep him on the MLB roster or risk losing him, too. Though that’s less pressing. The big issue is the first one – that this may have been an unnecessary risk.

Hopefully, it doesn’t wind up mattering, either because Edmonds in fact has something left or because Pie is good enough next year to not need to be optioned (or hopefully both).

It’s not a life-or-death-of-the-organization thing, it’s just a question of being sensible.

by SouthernCub on May 21, 2008 1:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Good points--Hendry had to decide/hope that Edmonds panned out

calculated risk….I know none of us really believe he will—but what if shapes up? Would you take solid “D” .270 and 15hr’s? Would that make it a good move in your view?

BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"

by cubfever7 on May 21, 2008 1:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Do you think that will happen?

Obviously I’d take that. But I don’t think that’s what will happen, considering Edmonds didn’t do that LAST year, and he hasn’t hit .270 since 2005. And who’s to say that Pie wouldn’t have gotten close to that with more time? Who’s to say that Edmonds is more likely to put up those numbers than Pie?

by SouthernCub on May 21, 2008 1:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The difference here...

...is Edmonds has put good numbers up in the past and Pie has never done much of anything at this level. I fully realize Edmonds hasn’t hit much for a while, but I don’t see Pie giving you much more with the bat this year than Edmonds would.

I’m not saying you keep Edmonds if he struggles past mid-June, but you go after a CF before the deadline.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on May 21, 2008 1:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Again, agree to disagree...

I don’t see the value in signing Edmonds. I don’t think he has anything left. I’d have prefered to give Pie a longer look. If he wasn’t performing by near the deadline, then I’d persue a CF then.

Obviously, we disagree on the Pie development issue. I don’t disagree with you moving forward now that we have Edmonds. I just disagree with the original acquisition.

by SouthernCub on May 21, 2008 1:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I hear ya...

...and there certainly is a possibility that you are correct.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on May 21, 2008 2:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Same to you...

Hopefully, Edmonds surprises and finds his swing of old (or something close to it). And hopefully Pie figures it out and can be productive by opening day of 2009.

And if Edmonds IS done and Pie is still not ready, hopefully there’ll be a fairly low-cost option available at the deadline.

by SouthernCub on May 21, 2008 2:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

P.S.

why can’t all disagreements be this reasonable?

by SouthernCub on May 21, 2008 2:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

"Because Alfonso Soriano sucks!!!" -- MDBNIU

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 21, 2008 2:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

At the root of the disagreement

is the idea that there is some great divide between AAA and MLB which makes Pie’s multi-year pro success irrelevant. Yes, MLB is harder than AAA and yes, there are prospects who never make it, but Felix Pie is a prospect who has been successful at every level. He is a high-probability prospect. The odds of him being successful in the majors this year are higher than the odds of Edmonds being successful. And Pie’s 2008 ceiling is also higher than Edmonds’ 2008 ceiling.

by DGU on May 21, 2008 2:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't know what will happen or who's right, but....

but the logic of saying that a player with a .285 sixteen year career avg of .285 with 363 HR’s and 8 gold gloves has less of a chance of sucess than someone who has hit .217 with 66 k’s in 240 ab’s escapes me.

The world is littered with AAAA players and many of them hit a whole lot better in the MLB than Felix has so far. I agree that the signs point to eventual success, but this young man has struck out 23 times in 63 ab’s this year after EXTENSIVE extra help.

We’re talking about the same coaching staff who have stuck with Fontenot, Theriot and Cedeno. They don’t think he’s ready yet.

BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"

by cubfever7 on May 21, 2008 3:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Who would have ever thought

a poster with the handle “cubfever7” would be vociferously sticking up for Jim Edmonds?

Baseball is such a funny game.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 21, 2008 3:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I admit --you're right...

And I’m hard pressed to think of any other Cardinal or Met I disliked more intensely than him either. I mean passionate dislike—my wife could testify.

I could go to a game anywhere and if people had one Card they hated—it was him. I changed the day they signed him, I can’t explain it. It was almost immediate. I practically have a man crush on the guy.

But for some reason, I can only see a “hopeful ceiling” a “wishful return” to at least somewhat of his old self. I think of the old Edmonds in our existing lineup and how that would match up against ANY other MLB team or pitching staff and I want him to turn it around so bad. I want to see great CF plays in blue pin stripes and a legit left handed power hitter with a .385 OBP in the middle of our order. The guy has 13 post season HR’s and 42 RBI.

BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"

by cubfever7 on May 21, 2008 4:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It escapes you because you have built this mythical chasm and fixed it between the minors and the majors.

Felix Pie has a history of success. He does not have a history of success at the major league level, but he hasn’t had regular playing time at the major league level.

There are Quad-A players, but there aren’t nearly as many as Cub fans who can only see prospects through Corey Patterson glasses think there are. Felix Pie doesn’t look like a Quad-A player. He isn’t a one-year wonder. He isn’t old for the levels he’s been at. He isn’t a one-tool player. He’s a five-tooler with a proven track record over multiple years and still young.

Meanwhile Jim Edmonds has a career path that is headed down, sped up by injuries and age. It is possible that he will revive, but not as possible as it is for Felix to carry on his success.

Another point – I do not believe Felix Pie got a lick of help from Lou Pineilla. Lou told the media he made Felix his “pet project” but everything in the playing time logs, says that Lou did not want Felix to succeed. He wanted a veteran LH bat in the lineup and the only position he was going to get it was in the OF. I know most people are not going to buy into this perspective, so regardless having a lot of “help” doesn’t mean that Felix has actually been helped. There is such a thing as miscoaching. And just because a coach works with one player or even most players doesn’t mean he will work with all players.

Even despite all this, Felix Pie is still more likely to succeed than Jim Edmonds.

by DGU on May 21, 2008 4:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe so on the mythical chasm...

but I’ve had 1st row season tickets for AAA for years. There’s been a few I’ve misjudged and a few I’ve scouted/predicted dead on the money.

Ryan Braun and Yovanni Gallardo were easy to predict-Hoffpauir was always a raker and really good glove man-Theriot was clearly good enough to make it in MLB on a 25 man..Dana Eveland had player written all over him, I still think Buck Coats can make someone’s 25 man, Cedeno always seemed more than talented enough to break out of AAA and Pie is the same way. They both share one common flaw-immaturity-not to the extreme-but alot of it. Cedeno seems to have grown up-Felix will too more than likely—but when? It took Ronny awhile. We need to win now.

When you go out on limbs about a manager not wanting someone to succeed and that they misled/deceived the media because of a mythical hidden agenda, you’re right, many won’t buy that perspective. Piniella will start you in CF if you produce—he doesn’t care where it comes from.

Examine your own objectivity and chasms on Pie when you stoop to making statements about mangers wanting players to fail. That’s WAY out there bro’.

BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"

by cubfever7 on May 21, 2008 5:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Chasms and objectivity

I think I recognized the extremity of my perspective in stating that I didn’t expect many to adopt it. I have a little perspective here. Just because a perspective is extreme does not make it wrong.

I would note that in my view, there is no hidden agenda at all. Lou has been quite open about wanting another veteran LH bat. Originally this view was manifested in a willingness to cut into DeRosa’s playing time to get one (Matsui, then Roberts). Given that he can’t get a LH bat for 2B, where else is he going to squeeze one in if not the OF in place of Pie? And if Lou was really invested in Pie’s success, how did Pie lose the starting CF job after 4 days? Why did Pie get benched for a week after a 4-day hot streak where he hit .500 and hit for power?

It’s not that I think Lou wants Pie to fail or has some evil agenda. He is convinced the Cubs need a veteran LH bat to maximize the lineup’s production and he is acting accordingly.

by DGU on May 21, 2008 6:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Your response is well reasoned...

..and I can buy it. But in a prior post you said ” but everything in the playing time logs, says that Lou did not want Felix to succeed.” That is Oliver Stone-ish-but it’s possibly true. Would he still be so desperate for a “veteran” LH bat if Pie had done anything offensively? Is the veteran thing that big of a deal to guys like Lou and even Dusty if they have production? Hoffpauir is making a case for himself to stay up if he can play a reasoanble corner OF-then Dome can occasionally play CF.

BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"

by cubfever7 on May 21, 2008 9:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well said...

...on both your points above.

There is no one that wants to win more than Piniella, and he will indeed go the direction he thinks will win the club the most games.

You may not agree with his call on Pie, but it’s time to accept the fact that a very successful major league manager did not think he was in a position to contribute.

I stopped my bitching about Soriano at the top of the order, because it got old. This Felix Pie stuff is getting old too.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on May 21, 2008 10:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

in that case

you go with Pie, because he’s a better defender. He can pinch-run, which Edmonds certainly can’t, which might be critical in the post-season.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 21, 2008 2:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Keep being hopeful...

but be cognizant of the fact that he may in fact be done. There’s no reason not to hope for the best, but it’s important to remember that this was a dumpster dive and thus the likelihood that it works out is low.

I hope that Edmonds surprises and has something left down the stretch. It’d make an already good offense better, because we haven’t been getting anything from CF offensively to this point. But I’m certainly not expecting it.

by SouthernCub on May 21, 2008 1:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

DeRosa's there

to put a man on for Soriano. It was a subtle move by Pinella hoping no one would notice that he’s kind of acting like LaRussa but not quite.

by walsh2317 on May 21, 2008 12:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

heh.

I noticed. :D

And I’m glad Mark’s good with it. He’s been very productive of late. That’s so important.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 21, 2008 12:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well,

thankfully, I was at dinner with my wife and didn’t have to watch the game. Here’s hoping the Cubs give Chacon his first L of this young season today.

And, in honor of the CL final today, I humbly submit that one, there is only one team in London and it’s Tottenham Hotspur, and, two, that Chelsea are pants.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 21, 2008 8:37 AM CDT   0 recs

Pants?

I hear that phrase on my brother’s soccer video game all the time? What’s up?

by TC Cubby on May 21, 2008 11:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Shouldn't be too hard to figure out...

just brit slang for bad.

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 21, 2008 11:59 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, yes

I meant what is the meaning behind it?

by TC Cubby on May 21, 2008 12:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Pants are bad?....like these?

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 21, 2008 12:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Dad?

is that you?

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 21, 2008 12:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The officiating in this match=

pants.

Want to join the conversation I see below about the game, but haven’t peeked…I’m in the 85th minute (DVR).

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 21, 2008 4:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Also, this pitch=

pants.

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 21, 2008 4:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah.

You’ think they could’ve done a better job with two weeks to prep.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 21, 2008 4:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed.

No way that should have been a yellow when Scholes got busted up, and now Chelski is resorting to thug tactics to slow the MAnU attack. God, I hate the Blues.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 21, 2008 4:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No yellow for either guy.

It’s a contact sport.

PS, no spoilers up here, I’m not going to scroll down. 91st minute.

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 21, 2008 4:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll stay down there.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 21, 2008 4:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hurry up.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 21, 2008 4:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

haha, i'm hurrying.

Kalou for Malouda? Hard to tell what is actually happening with Tommy Smyth in the booth.

Smyth or Morgan? By the way, how bad was Seedorf? He sounded like Andre the Giant in the Princess Bride.

“My way’s not very sportsmanlike”

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 21, 2008 4:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

O.M.G.

Just. Hurry. Up.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 21, 2008 4:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

WOODWORK!

Lampard’s fat got in the way.

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 21, 2008 4:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hahaha!!!!!!!!

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 21, 2008 4:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Joe Cole subbed

I think he tweaked a tear duct.

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 21, 2008 4:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Speaking of tear ducts...LE SULK!

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 21, 2008 4:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Never gonna happen, but

Loic Remy might…

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 21, 2008 4:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I hate John Terry.

But that was a nice play.

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 21, 2008 4:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Terry and Joe Cole

are the only guys on that team I have any respect for

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 21, 2008 4:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

See, I hate both of them.

I secretly man-crush for Michael Essien.

I’m glad we can both agree that Didier Drogba is a horrible human being.

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 21, 2008 4:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He tried to

claim he’s not a diver this week….

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 21, 2008 4:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I heard.

Joe Cole has been diving all over the ground today. I actually don’t mind JC, but today he’s been terrible.

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 21, 2008 4:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yep.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 21, 2008 4:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Avram Grant is a dumbass

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 21, 2008 4:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You caught up yet?

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 21, 2008 4:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nah, i'm not FF'ing at all.

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 21, 2008 4:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ROONEY OFF INSTEAD OF TEVEZ?????

Tevez has hid all game.

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 21, 2008 4:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So has Rooney

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 21, 2008 4:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What's Chelsea's problem with what Tevez did?

They did it twice already this game.

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 21, 2008 4:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

BYE BYE DROGBA

WHAT A PUNK.

BYE BYE DROGBA.

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 21, 2008 4:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly.

Chelsea had been beating up on the ManU forwards all second hald and ET. Tevez had had enough and Drogba turned into little punk.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 21, 2008 4:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I meant the giving the ball back OOB.

Both teams have been pretty classless.

This game is getting fun. In ET right now…

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 21, 2008 4:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yep. It's real fun from here on out.

I gotta run. Talk more tonight if you’re in the game thread. I should be in around 10 or so.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 21, 2008 4:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Aight.

later.

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 21, 2008 4:45 PM CDT to parent up &