Dear Jim: Please Find me a #2....
I have grown tired of the screams and the shouts from Gerald Perry and Quade for you to bring me Brian Roberts. I don't need Brian Roberts...My lineup is filled with 4 power sticks (Soriano, Lee, ARAM, and Soto), one killer on base guy (Dome), a great bottom of the order guy (DeRosa), and a decent bench. I am balanced in my lineup...My lineup stacks up with most of our main competitors both National and American.
What I lack is a solid #2. Lilly is pretty good...but he projects as #3 because of his suspect control at times. Dempster projects as #3 or #4 because of the same issues. Marquis, I only use him so that my outfield can get their windsprints in during game situations. Marshall, Hill, Hart, Gallagher....Future looks great for when I give the team over to Mr Sandberg.
We have awesome depth...there is no doubt...but I don't need depth in the playoffs. I need it to get to the playoffs...but it won't win the playoffs for me. I need a Stud, I need a Big Brown to go with my Smarty Jones.
I will win you the division, but I need you to help me win the Series.
Please talk to Toronto about AJ, Cleveland about C.C,
Sincerely,
Lou
PS...If you get me #2 Stud, I will promise to drop Soriano to 5 and put Dome in the #2 spot.
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What do you suppose
Toronto and Cleveland would want for Burnett and Sabathia?
And would you be willing to part with that?
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 22, 2008 12:40 AM CDT reply actions
Sabathia's not going anywhere.
And Burnett is an injury waiting to happen.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Might as well stick with AJ 'cause CC ain't going anywhere
Shapiro seems to be convinced he can sign CC to a new contract, even if it takes until the offseason to do it, so there’s no way Cleveland is gonna trade CC. Besides, in what appears to be a well-balanced AL Central, Cleveland won’t be out of it by the trading deadline, so even if Shapiro privately thought he couldn’t sign him, I don’t see him pulling a white flag trade and pissing off his fan base.
And finally, even if Shapiro ends up NOT being able to sign CC to a new deal, Cleveland is the type of organization that will make some really good lemonade out of those two draft pick lemons they get as compensation.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Dear Jim:
Please also do this during the season when it will be neigh on impossible to pry a legitimate #2 pitcher away from any team (who will no doubt be able to walk away from us at the end of the year as a free-agent) for anything less than
a) an integral part of the team we have now
2) at least 2 of our best prospects, depleting the depth we hoped to have in coming years
d) another player with an albatross of a contract that the other team wants to get rid of
Sincerely,
Santoswoodenlegs
P.S. Also please get rid of the alternate blue tops. They suck.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 22, 2008 1:15 AM CDT reply actions
+12 on the blue tops
Cubs Win!! Cubs Win!
by Ihatethecards on May 22, 2008 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually
I was just saying, prior to last nights horrific performance, that I thought the blues had a good record. Anyone have the numbers?
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on May 22, 2008 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions
They've been worn in every Z start except Opening Day...
... last night, and the Sunday night in St. Louis when Marquis started.
Anyone remember any others?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Better than I remember them being the past.
I am okay with the blues. Whagt I am not okay with is 3 runs in the first and 2 friggin hits the rest of the game.
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on May 22, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Gallagher's 1st start
Was supposed to be Zambrano’s turn
by Shanghai Badger on May 22, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Isn't Burnett an injury just waiting to happen again?
IIRC, he isn’t exactly known as the best teammate, but maybe I’m thinking of someone else.
And what does acquiring a #2 SP have to do with the batting order? If there was ever any motivation to drop Fonzie downward, it would be the acquisition of Brian Roberts, not a SP….or a Theriot/Johnson combo at 1/2 (flip-flop them if necessary) that results in a cumulative .370 or higher OBP.
If Soto can continue to hit the cover off the ball, then he can slide to #5 to protect A-Ram with Kosuke-san going to #2; with Johnson or Theriot going to #7 or #8. But for now Kosuke-san is providing good protection for A-Ram.
I agree they need to look into this. Whether or not Gallagher can fill in is TBD. He was somewhat sharp last night, only to hang that 0-2 slider to C-Lee (LESSON LEARNED and you can bet Larry and Lou will discuss this with the “young man”).
I really don’t know who’s “available” and that’s mostly because we’re not even to Memorial Day yet. They have to hold their ground, if not the division lead and keep it close for another 6 weeks before things start to take shape on the trade front.
As for those blue tops, if it makes Z focus, go out there and mow them down, no matter how silly some think that may be, it’s enough to say, “keep them”. Besides, who gives a shit what the shirt looks like – within reason – if they continue to play well.
Agreed
AJ Burnett is no different than Prior (well not that injury plagued) but he certainly has a history, ditto for Rich Harden, both of whom figure to be available.
I fear we may have missed our shot at a potential no 2 last year with Zack Greinke, I seem to remember his name being connected to the Cubs, but i doubt KC would deal him now. But they seem to be on the same projection, well slightly behind, the Rays. But the Rays have far better hitting than the Royals, so perhaps theyd give up Greinke for some bats if they believe Meche, Bannister and Hochevar to be sufficient in their rebuiding, which I doubt they do. but Greinke is good and would be better in the NL
In the end, the Cubs dont have the prospects to make a deal for a no 2.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Cubs need another starting pitcher
No doubt about it. Otherwise we will be looking at yet another disappointing ending to a promising season. This team is as strong as it has been in decades. You have to pull out the stops to get over the top if you are Jim Hendry.
Rich Harden WILL be available. Maybe also Tim Hudson.
Adding knowledge and challenging the saber-magicians, one post at a time.
Why would Tim Hudson be available?
Aren’t the Braves good this year? Isn’t Hudson their only good starter under the age of 80?
The only thing Harden will be starting this year is his car on the way to PT. It’s true: Harden is a dare to be great situation. I just think it’s doomed to fail.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
i'm waiting...
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
yes
Harden will be able to sign EVER so many balls at the hospital.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 22, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Be prepared....
...to pay through the nose for a legit #2 at the break. If people had pause about what may have been traded for Roberts, the price of a #2 will cause them great pain.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
this is really a dull subject but...
i quite sure our major league gm Jim Hendry has tried and will continue to do so. Ive seen the post about a Bonderman type acquisition. he’s no better than what we have and i’m pretty sure most of what will be available wont be any better than what we have. i think that about the best we can hope for is our old friend greg maddux.
baseball is making record money again this year and even teams that arent in contention dont have to dump salary especially when it comes to pitching. i’ll say this tooif and i mean a big IF a pitcher of that caliber was available we still dont have near the prospects to get a pitcher of this caliber. sorry but we just dont have the mastersons, adam jones, phillip huges etc of the world. the prospects we do have—-we as cubs fans way overvalue.
It might beeeeee!! It could beeeeeee!! It issssss!! Homerun!! Holyyyyyyy Cow!!!
Not gonna happen
In other words you want a No 1 quality SP to be our No 2. C.C. is clearly a No 1. I think a more attainable goal would be to add another solid No 3. I’d rather have Three No 3’s and One No 1 than a No 1, two No 3’s and nothing else. Still with me?
Three No 3’s plus Z should give the Cubs a chance to win on a very regular basis as has pretty much been the case thus far.
Go ahead, Z me.
Wow, this fanpost manages to beat TWO dead horses with one stone.
As others have pointed out, Sabathia is not a realistic option—particularly as the Indians will likely remain in contention in their division. And I’ve heard Burnett’s name mentioned before, but, who would you give up for him?
Again, the bottom line here is there is little to no appreciably good starting pitching available. And it’s still too early to say that the Cubs don’t already have all the starting pitching talent they need right now.
And the lineup again? Really? (Y’know, Dome was in the two-hole last night.)
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
Ummmm....

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
what we need
is for Marshall and/or Hart to step up.
Preferably both.
2008: The year we put it all together.
Or for Hill to get a heart...
It will go nicely now that Ronny has a brain and Dempster got his courage.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 22, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes! Hill needs to get a HART and MARSHALL his true pitching abilities.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
SWL...
... I’m disappointed. I was sure I’d see a picture here.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Sorry to disappoint you...I apologize.

feel better?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 22, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
scarecrow,
I’ll miss you most of all…
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 22, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Starring Ryan Theriot as Toto.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
Unfortunately so far
There’s no place like home . . . at least for the W-L.
(I can’t see the pic at work, so I don’t know if that’s being redundant.)
by Shanghai Badger on May 22, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking along the lines of Chris Young from San Diego
He’s not too expensive, he had been improving every year, and he’s struggling a bit now. Although, with Peavy down, Young is now the Pads #1 by default.
Cubs 2008 (28-17)
Home (19-8) | Road (9-9) | 1-Run Games (5-5) | Extra Innings (4-2)
Updated on May 20, 2008
Yeah...
he has a nose for pitching…or so I hear.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 22, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, something tells me he's going to be real mouthbreather for a while.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
Nah, it's obvious that he doesn't bleed cubbie blue.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
Cubs need Rich Hill to get straightened out...
No doubt about it. And even if he does I would argue the need to acquire another prime time starter pitcher.
The stars and moons are aligned for the Cubs in 2008 like they never have been before. Outside of starting pitching this team is as strong as it has ever been. The National League also majorly sucks.
"It is never to early to start beefing up your obituary."
How does Hill get straightened out?
Afterall according to you he is a two pitch pitcher…...............
IMO——The AL is getting old
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
He is a two pitch pitcher...
...hence one of the major dilemmas facing Mr. Richard Hill.
"It is never too early to start beefing up your obituary."
Get Hill "straightened out"
Doesnt neccesarily insist a second pitch. Sounds more like mechanics and mental toughness. Hill was fine last year with those two pitches. He needs to break down his mechanics and get right first.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
IMO...
...too much can be made of the 2-pitch tag. I do agree (and said last year) it would be nice if Hill developed a reliable change, but it is not the reason he is struggling.
There have been a lot of good starting pitchers with only 2 pitches and Hil has proven he can be fairly dominant if he does one thing – throw frigging strikes!!!!
Hill has enouph zip on his fastball, and enouph break on his curve, but he needs to throw strikes and get ahead of guys.
I truely worry about his mental makeup at times. His body language and lack of ability to recover after a couple bad hitters, gives me pause as to how this whole thing works out.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Agreed...
It’s not like hitters have figured out how to hit him. His problem this year has been finding the strike zone. When he figures that out again, there’s no reason to believe he won’t look like he did last year.
Disagree
Rich Hill lives and dies via the ability to get his curveball over the plate. It isn’t his pedestrian fastball that is the issue. If Hill can’t get the curveball over than the advantage of spotting his fastball is lost. And if he can’t get the curveball over then MLB hitters can sit on that fastball and pound the living tar out of it.
Hill has been walking people at alarming rates on the curveball, not the fastball. His control problems have reduced it down to two poisons….either walk guys on the curveball or have them feast on my fastball. When he was up here was opting for the first poison.
"It is never too early to start beefing up your obituary."
Rich Hill
needs to locate his fastball 1st. If he’s not doing that and falling behind he has no chance. IMO…......without an effective 3rd pitch….....he will never be much more than mediocre.
But he's already been "more than mediocre."
He made 32 starts last season and finished 11-9 with a 3.92 ERA, 1.19 WHIP, and .235 BAA. He led the team in strikeouts as well. Isn’t that “more than mediocre”? I agree that being able to throw his change-up with confidence would help Rich immensely, but it’s innacurate to imply he hasn’t already been successful at the major league level.
PS This is what you get for leaping to agree with BlueMike.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
Agreed...
If Rich Hill simply regains the command of his two pitches like he had last year, he’ll be much more than mediocre. If he gains command of a third pitch (changeup), he’ll be downright nasty.
Hill is a tricky one...
...to figure out, because I tend to think his confidence is very fragile. You would have thought his early success last year would have boosted his confidence, but it appeared to deteriorate as the year went along.
I think Lou has hit it right on the head with Hill; he said he just needs to cut loose and throw the ball and stop thinking so much. Guys like Hill that are sporadic between the ears, can be really frustrating to watch, and he can certainly be that.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Yeah, I agree.
I think the Cubs should send Hill to a Marine boot camp or something. Y’know, really toughen his ass up. Shave his head. Make him crawl through mud under machine gun fire. Teach him Ju-Jitsu. Something.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
Tell us, oh JV College Player
How, precisely, would you straighten Rich Hill out? Would you say “My goodness, the stars are aligned, you need to stop being a guess-toss pitcher”?
Ba-BUM. Piss.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 22, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
When the stars were right, They could plunge from world to world through the sky...
...but when the stars were wrong, They could not live. But although They no longer lived, They would never really die. They all lay in stone houses in Their great city of R’lyeh, preserved by the spells of mighty Cthulhu for a glorious resurrection when the stars and the earth might once more be ready for Them.
[I couldn’t help myself.]
Whoa, that just rocked me.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
Thank you Amadeus!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 22, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah, H.P. Lovecraft.
He could really overwrite his stuff, but from time to time he would kick out some really memorable prose. One of the best horror writers we’ve had.
(Mother’s basement jokes in 3… 2… 1…)
but what about
Hastur?
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 22, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm really unsure that a pedantic conversation...
...about Hastur’s role in the Lovecraft’s fiction is appropriate for here.
So, short version: Hastur was an allusion to Chamber’s “The King In Yellow,” a book which had a lot of influence on Lovecraft – basically as a tip of the cap. August Derleth, his editor at Arkham, added a being called Hastur to the Great Old Ones when he was writing his own Mythos stories based upon an imperfect understanding of Lovecraft’s work. (I really dislike Derleth’s work on the Mythos, FWIW.)
Have you nerds ever even kissed a girl?
Sheesh.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 22, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Think of a man...
then take away reason and accountability.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 22, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
it would explain a lot
but only if he’s a 12-year-old girl. Tweenies drive me insane.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 22, 2008 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
you'd be surprised
what women are into these days, my friend…
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 22, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm extremely fortunate to have a wife that tolerates such things.
This is why my little girl is allowed to have a plush Cthulu. She’ll cart it around the house with her from time to time. It’s rather cute in a creepy sort of way.
Um, all I know is...
...Metallica titled their instrumental “The Call of Ktulu” after his work. And I believe I did read some of his stuff eons ago.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
Isn't that sort of what...
...I said?
He needs to throw strikes with both his pitches, no doubt. His fastball is good enouph to get guys out, if he has them thinking about his big breaker. The problem becomes, he has had too many hitters sitting on hitters counts, and taking him to town.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Exactly...
When he’s throwing strikes, he can mix up the fastball and curveball. When he gets behind in the count, he has to lean more on the fastball. His fastball is fine (low 90s) unless hitters can sit on it. They can’t sit on it if he’s throwing strikes, because if he’s ahead in the count, he can throw either the curve or the heater.
I will say that if he could develop even a remotely decent changeup, he’d be absolutely filthy. To be able to throw at three different speeds for strikes would be huge. So far, he’s yet to harness the change though.
A #2 starter is the last piece to the championship puzzle
I completely agree with this fanpost, as far as who that pitcher would be I am not sure at the moment
"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.
if they really wanted a reclamation project
Bartolo Colon instead of Edmonds.
If that were to happen,
I’d buy stock in Krispy Kreme.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Good luck pulling that one off...
Since he was signed three months ago by the Red Sox and just made his 2008 big league debut with them.
by SouthernCub on May 23, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions

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