Speed Up The Games!
That's what Bud Selig and the owners decided to do after the owners' meetings last week.
To which I say, hallelujah. As noted in the article:
The game's pace has been an object of discussion since last October's World Series, when the Rockies and Red Sox played a 4 hour, 19 minute Game 3 at Coors Field. Boston won the game, 10-5, and went on to sweep the World Series.
Here's what they're going to do:
During the calls, managers, GMs and MLB in-game entertainment staffs were advised that umpires will be more vigilant in enforcing existing MLB rules 6.02(a), 6.02(b), 6.02(c) and 8.04.
Rule 6.02 principally involves the batter's movement around the plate. Umpires will now quickly ask batters to move from the on-deck circle to the batter's box, will not grant time to a batter once the pitcher delivers the baseball, and will demand that the batter not linger outside the box in between pitches.
If a batter bails while the pitcher is in his motion, the pitch will be called as if the batter remained in the box. If the batter declines to quickly move back into the box in between pitches, an automatic strike will be called without the pitcher having to throw the ball.
As far as Rule 8.04 is concerned, that one involves a prompt delivery of the ball to the plate by the pitcher. The plate umpire will actively encourage the pitcher to take his place on the rubber, warn a pitcher for his first violation of exceeding the 12-second limit between pitches, and call a ball for each subsequent violation by the same pitcher.
And, just to cover everything, there's more:
In addition to invoking these rules, umpires will promptly break up conferences on the mound; pitchers will be asked to arrive quickly to the mound in between innings to go through their eight warmup tosses so the inning can begin promptly; relief pitchers will be asked to enter from the bullpen promptly upon the signal of the manager; each club will be directed to designate a reserve player or coach to warm up pitchers in between innings in the event that the catcher is still putting on his equipment; and bat boys will be asked to have a second bat readily available if the hitter breaks the bat he's using.
I hope they can enforce these. If you watch a tape of a game from the 1960's or 1970's, the first thing that strikes you is how fast paced the game was -- pitchers get the ball back and pitch it. Batters don't constantly step out of the box. We're never going to go back to that, but at the very least, I think we could get to a point where they could trim the current average of 2 hours 51 minutes by at least 10-15 minutes on average.
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LSA
I find it much more fun to watch basebally when you have a fast-working pitcher like Lieber on the mound rather than a human rain delay like Trachsel. I hope that these rules will actually be enforced.
by John Q Freejazz on May 22, 2008 10:02 AM CDT reply actions
I moderately agree...
But baseball’s my life and if the games are shorter that means I’m bored longer.
by wrigleyrocker12 on May 22, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
No, it just means you have time to watch MORE games!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I wish I loved the game the way some of you guys do.
It’s not worth buying EI for the Cubs, the Yankees and the Indians…
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 22, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Not unlike another issue...
...baseball has turned a blind eye to this for a long long time. They have let players dictate the pace for quite a while, and it will be interesting to see if they really enforce these rules.
There is way too much over analysis going on by both pitchers and hitters for the last 2 years or so. I can understand a hitter stepping out and getting his bearings if a pitcher quickly goes 0-2, but this constant stepping out of the box and re-adjusting your batting gloves after every pitch – is really too much for me.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Meant to say 20 years, not 2
n/t
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Bill James actually talks about this...
in his Almanac. The frequency of stepping out of the box, the frequency of stepping off the rubber, etc. It’s just ridiculous. He also gets into limiting the frequency of throwing over to first base when a runner is on, although that’s a bit more of a gray area for me.
by SouthernCub on May 22, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
That Batting Gloves Thing
Why do you have to adjust your batting gloves after a pitch you take? Nomar is a prime offender in this department. How many pitchers take longer than 20 seconds between pitches? Forget 12 seconds. I could see fudging and giving the pitcher 15 seconds between pitches, when no one is on base. Get the average game time length down to 2 hours, 40 minutes. The shot clock helped college basketball become a more exciting game in the mid-1980s. That got rid of that mind-numbing North Carolina four corners offense.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
4 Corners
To put down the four corners is sacrilege here in Carolina
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
Len and Bob were commenting on this last night as well.
And the cameras got some great shots of the second-base umpire checking his stopwatch in between pitches. Len and Bob were speculating on how enforcement of the 12-second rule might affect pitchers such as Bob Howry, who go through a fairly slow series of mechanics before delivering the ball. It didn’t seem to bother Howry last night, as I thought he had a pretty solid outing. (And I believe that’s at least two good outings in a row for Bob.)
Anyway, I applaud these efforts as well. Somewhere out there Steve Trachsel is grumbling to himself and kicking the dirt. (Did he ever get picked up by anyone?)
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
Ah, yes...you're right. Thanks!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
I'm all for
the rule change to speed up the game but I’m sure we will miss quite a few of the first at bat when TV returns from a commercial.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
How about Tim Tschida
and his 20 second delay before calling a strike? Is Bud going to do something about that, too?
by Shanghai Badger on May 22, 2008 10:44 AM CDT reply actions
Ugh, that guy drives me nuts!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
Local Idiot Joe West
Really acts like a tough guy doesnt he? I suspect this 12 second rule last about one week before it is all but forgotten. If the want to speed up the game how about not allowing the extra 30 seconds per commercial for national telecasts.
$$$$$$$$
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
Will we eventually see a pitch clock?
Or another ump dedicated to policing time? Probably No on both counts and many of these rule enforcement drives eventually dwindle away and we go back to our old ways. Still got to applaud the league for at least trying to address it and to the umps for doing their job right 99.5% of the time despite the immense responsibility and difficulty of what they do.
Go ahead, Z me.
Len and Bob speculated about this last night, too.
IIRC, Bob wondered whether the players’ union would demand a pitch clock, so pitchers wouldn’t have to count the 12 seconds in their heads. I have a hard time seeing a pitch clock ever implemented—hitting the strike zone seems hard enough without having to glance over at a big digital clock before every pitch. And would there be a loud “time’s up!” horn like in the NBA?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
The horn or buzzer
would be incredibly annoying since it would go off about 200 times per game. Trying to implement these rules could get really ridiculous, really fast. I’m sure it will be implemented one or two times, then go away for another couple seasons before it gets mentioned again.
Go ahead, Z me.
maybe the 'fans' can help out with this
Fans can start yelling the countdown as soon as the visiting pitcher gets the ball. Only instead of starting at 12, maybe they start at 10 or 8… induce some artificial hurriedness – maybe it will get into his head.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
LOL, that would give a whole new meaning to "home field advantage"!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
It didnt affect
Glenallen Hill——the ump got so annoyed that he was taking his sweet ass time that the ump ordered the pitch, Hill ran into the box for an RBI hit
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
I read/heard about
something else on this topic . . . MLB is going to encourage managers and pitching coaches to jog out to the mound to talk with/replace their pitchers. Apparently there are too many mangers that take a leisurely stroll out to the mound for their discussions.
Lou doesn’t move that slowly, but it’ll be fun to watch him jog out to the mound. IIRC, Lou already jogs back to the dugout from the mound most of the time.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
Thank goodness
Something needs to be done. Baseball games don’t need to be 3 hours plus all the time. Back in the late 70’s and early 80’s games would routinenly be snappy 2 1/2 hour affairs. Bigger bullpens and the propensity to use relief specialists has greatly slowed the game down. Ditto the proliferation of TV and radio commercials. But there are other ways to compensate.
Adding knowledge and challenging the saber-magicians, one post at a time.
The difference is
Back in the 80s at NIU they only played 7 innings like in HS
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
There was also NO GUESS-HITTING -- only smart-hacking.
And they were already clamoring for a Rich Harden trade back then. Very prescient.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
If only Rich Harden had gone to NIU
they wouldn’t have killed the baseball program to begin with, and at Cincy games now, we’d hear “Now Batting…. Number Double-Zero… BLUE MIKE…” as Dusty rolled his toothpick from side to side…
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 22, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Let the pitcher control the pace
Surely as a batter its your job to be there when the pitch is thrown. I can just see it now. Nomar wanders out of the box & starts fiddling with his gloves when, oops there goes the next pitch
I do realise that the pitchers would take the proverbial _
Why not invoke HS rules
You cannot step out of the box completly, only 1 foot while taking signs.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
I hate that rule for personal reasons...
after taking an inside pitch, I stepped my right foot out of the box (i bat left handed) and was peering down at my 3rd base coach for the next sign when the next thing I know my bell was rung. The catcher had nailed me in the side of my nose with the baseball….breaking my nose and requiring me to go to the HS Senior Prom the next night with 2 black eyes and a swollen, crooked nose. I was the first batter of the game. Needless to say, there was more than a 12 second delay before the next pitch lol. In true sportmanship, the catcher did apologize with a very warm- hearted “sorry dude.” I finished the game and we won. I no longer crowded the plate after that, however.
I'm kind of a big deal
by chi-townbleacherbum on May 23, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
WOW
That sucks. I still like the rule though :)
The problem in MLB is the batters that walk around for 15-20 seconds shifting their balls.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
What exactly...
...is the 12 second rule?
Does the pitcher need to deliver within 12 seconds of when he gets the ball back from the catcher? Or is it once he gets on the rubber?
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I won't say what I'm thinking...
but I bet you can guess….
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 22, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
With your sense of humor
and my dirty mind, I guessed. LOL
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by tucsoncubsfan on May 22, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
The 12 second rule is...
...how long it takes Carlos Lee to hear, turn around, run over, find and eat a hot dog dropped by a fan in the Crawford Boxes at Minute Maid park…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Relief Pitcher over-usage
Bill James has posed the idea that if you bring in a reliever, he cannot be removed that until he gives up a run, gets injured, or the inning ends. Little things can go a long way towards speeding things up – lots of the dead time in games is due to reliever warm-up pitches and the accompanying commerical time that happens whenever there is a pitching change.
There are plenty of things...
...other than time of deliver to the plate that is affecting the speed of major league ballgames. The two biggest are the increase in relief specialists and pitching changes (as you mention) and the increase in run scoring in general – especially as ballclubs embrace the importance of on-base percentage as a measure of player value.
Three Batter Minimum, Give Up Run, Get Injured or Finish Inning
This will never happen. The idea of a reliever having to come to conclusion to at least three batters, give up a run charged to him (not inherited), get injured, or finish an inning before coming out would be great. Of course, the defensive team would complain that the batting team could still use three pinch-hitters in a row to face the same locked-in pitcher. This favors offense. There would be relievers faking injuries. It’s simply not practical. The three batter minimum, give up a run, get injured, or finish the inning rule would speed up games. Handling of pitchers would be more interesting. That’s just one of my wild hairs.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
Don't really buy the faking injuries argument
If that were the case, you’d see many more cases of starters faking injury when they run out of gas in a hurry to give more time to bring a reliever in.
I think
this is far more likely to happen than restrictions on things like pickoff throws – once you put a restriction on it the runner gets a free head start if he isn’t picked off before the limit.
That said, If a pitcher really wanted to stall for an indefinite amount of time he could just do 10 pickoff throws in a row. There isn’t any rule against it, but I can’t think of any instance where this has happened.
Would Like to See 3 Batter Min Or ... Rule
I was thinking of any arguments against it. I hope pitchers wouldn’t fake injuries. Force a manager to put in a good reliever at the beginning of an inning that he feels can handle LH and RH batters. If he’s truly a good reliever, he can handle whatever hitters or pinch-hitters the other team has. If a reliever enters in the middle of an inning, that manager better have confidence he can finish the inning. If a LH batter gets a single with 2 outs against a new LHP, that LHP should be required to stay in the game, even if the next batter is RH. That’s barring a pitching injury, of course.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
On a somewhat related topic...
... MLB officials say they’re going to test out instant replay in the Arizona Fall League.
If it works OK, they will continue the trial in the WBC next spring and in spring training games.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
So Dusty
had the right idea after all. Don’t walk and clog the bases and the game will take less time.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
LOL
Yup. You’ll lose, but quicker.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
just so long
as I’m home in time for the matinee!
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 22, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
its seemed
To me that last night the umps spent more time trying to enforce this rule and making angry looking faces then it would have if they had left them alone to pitch.
That being said, I approve of this move.
would have been nice
if it’d been applied to both teams.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 22, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Back in the day
of complete games. each team had most likely one pitching change per game, unless the game really got out of hand. Now, each team has a minimum of 2-3 pitching changes. That and more runs scored per game is where the time is going. The batter stepping out really doesn’t bother me, I guess I’m numb to it now. I don’t like the idea of relievers having to face x amount of batters or outcomes, that’s not baseball.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
Less walks and less pitching changes...
Those are the only two things that will really speed up the game. Pitchers! Throw strikes! If you can’t throw strikes, become an outfielder.
Managers: let pitchers work out of trouble. Teach them to pitch, not just throw. This whole lefty/righty Larussa-esque matchup stuff has to go.
In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this -Oysterband
Somewhere out there, Rick Ankiel is applauding wildly.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
How many years...
...has baseball been played? The game and it’s pace has never been dictated by a clock. To change it so we can fit a game into our viewing time slot it shallow. Don’t change the game. It may not seem a big deal until our team, or in a big moment the rule is enforced.
Actually, the initial appeal of baseball as opposed to...
...say, cricket (which was a popular sport in the US for some time) was its speed. It didn’t have a clock, per se, but the idea of 27 outs per side was a lot more limited than the other popular team sports of the time. So it was adopted by factory workers and office workers (if you’ve ever wondered why score in baseball was kept via double-entry bookkeeping, well, its because a lot of accountants played baseball) as an alternative to other team sports, and actually was encouraged by business owners as a way to teach the ideas of punctuality and teamwork to their employees.
Baseball as it exists in America is a product of the demands of the industrial age; a preindustrial America didn’t need a sport that fit conveniently into a year-round factory schedule; once a farmer was prepared for the long winter, he had scads of free time and thus could engage in less structured team sports.
Doesn't MLB go through this every few years or so?
“Games are taking too long, we need to speed them up.” Then they get shorter for a while but eventually they creep longer and longer when all of a sudden, “Games are too long! We must speed them up!” And so it goes. Am I misremembering here? : )
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
I agree
that’s pretty much what happens.
I don’t think it should get any LONGER than the 3-ish hours of most games. But I don’t burn for three minute innings. Usually that means my side has gone three up, three down on 6 or less pitches.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 22, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
You are right
Between game times and the high strike I think MLB has a program that automatically emails the same press release every 2 years. Everyone talks about it early in the season and gradually everything reverts back to normal
Guess who's being bent over by the media outlets
A bunch of media outlet bean counters must have determined that the number of commercial revenue is maximized in a game which time is 2:38 instead of 2:51. Yet another Bud Light reactive impulse.
This is so silly. Thats 10-15 minutes out of 171 minutes. So take the middle, 12.5 minutes. That’s a whopping 7.3%; woo-hoo! BFHD.
There’s more than that percent variation when you have games where some pitchers are more inclined to throw to first with a runner on or in the case if there’s a couple more walks and/or pitching changes or even more so when there’s several AB’s of many 2-strike foul balls. On cold days (boy there’s never any of those), pitchers are allowed to blow into their hands on the mound, otherwise (at the umps discretion), they have to be on the grass. How does that figure in? There’s just so much variation.
Did they ever think that sometimes a few extra seconds delay is a bit of tactic to try to un-nerve the opponent? Boy, that’s never been considered, let alone actually done; yeah right.
If they were talking 15-20%, that’s different. All this does is open up speculation of elapsed time and the definition. So what’s next, a 12s pitch-clock?
Instead of doing something PROACTIVE, like pulling their heads out of their asses in instituting instant replay and getting rid of those stupid, dumb-ass HR-ball quirks at some ballparks like that bandbox in TX, they try to screw around with this.
And yet, come playoff time, you can’t swing a dead cat without hitting a between half-inning commercial delay that’s some 20-50% longer than during the regular season. So….will that be changed? Of course not. Why? $$$
You’d figure the team owners would want the slightly longer time, greater opportunity for fans to purchase concession stand items.

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