Instant Replay: Yea or Nay?
According to today's Tribune MLB may introduce instant replay as soon as the '08 playoffs. Selig's ambivalent
Commissioner Bud Selig is a longtime opponent of the use of instant replay. But a source close to Selig said he is "wrestling" with his personal views after replays clearly showed umpires made mistakes when they denied home runs to the Mets' Carlos Delgado (ruled foul, Sunday night), Soto (ball ruled in play, Monday night) and the Yankees' Alex Rodriguez (ball ruled in play, Wednesday night).
Instant Replay? Yea or nay?
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Instant replay on HR is a good idea...
I’d rather get those very important calls right. And there aren’t that many disputed calls, so it’s not going to come into play very often. And when it does happen, there’s usually a lengthy discussion anyway. This way, we get technology involved and don’t really add time to the game.
Now, if we start reviewing EVERYTHING, I’d have a problem. But, that’s not what is being discussed here. So I’m a proponent.
I believe the poll question is open ended
I don’t see a qualifier that the poll relates to home run decisions only. My feeling is that any such initiative should be restricted to home runs as well. But, I believe it will open the gate for an incremental expansion of instant replay to other game issues.
There is a poll question that says "HR only".
That’s what I voted for. Then it wouldn’t happen very often, although there are three examples in the last week, which is what provided the impetus for this idea now.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
At One Time...
I would say no way. But since it’s become the “thing” for UMPS to blow HR calls, i’d actually for for instant reply… on HRS ONLY!
by TheHawkRules on May 23, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
It's time ...
... for Home Runs that are close to the foul pole or the top of the wall to be subject to replay. If done right – this could only take a minute or so. Heck – that’s less time than it takes with a mangers/umpires conference/argument.
by Eamus J Catuli on May 23, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Nay.
The games can run a bit too long already and, to be totally honest, sometime I need a scapegoat and umpires make a great scapegoat. Replay would make me have to own up to the fact that the team I wished to win simply played like sh*t and the umps really weren’t to blame. And that’s no fun.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
I agree Gary
I look at it this way. Baseball is a game built on failure. A hitter makes an out 7 out of 10 AB’s and he is GREAT. I think the umpires have a much better average than .300. Let it be, it is a game played and officiated by humans. If anything needs to be improved, it is the subjectivity of the strike zone. The strike zone is specific in the rule book. I think just outfitting the umps with glasses will work fine. Just this week, baseball had this huge conference over the speed of the game. If you are gonna worry about the speed of the game, how do you reconcile the use of “instant” (it NEVER is!) replay? Damn, life would be a drag if it was perfect. How can replay improve this game? I don’t think it can.
by crazymountain on May 24, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions
If that Mark DeRosa "home run"
earlier in the year happened to the other team, I would be very angry.
(where was that? Philadelphia?)
I vote yea for HR, and possibly for other calls where the umpire is a long way away (fair/foul calls, etc.). I might also include plays at the plate, which like HR calls directly affect the score. I’m sure the Padres would have liked that to be the cast in game 163 last year.
"Is there anything he can't do?" ~Len Kasper, 4/5/08, on Kosuke Fukudome
The DeRo "HR" was in Philly.
But if you apply the “conclusive evidence” standard to that call, as they do in the NFL, there wasn’t conclusive evidence to overturn the call made on the field, so that HR would have stood.
This is how they’ll have to do it if they have replay in baseball.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I saw a replay that
showed pretty conclusively that it was foul (I think it was on either the Philly broadcast, or a national broadcast if there was one). They had an angle that clearly showed it going to the left of the foul pole, and I don’t think the Chicago broadcast had the same camera angle in their replays.
"Is there anything he can't do?" ~Len Kasper, 4/5/08, on Kosuke Fukudome
It was the Fox broadcast
and it clearly DID show the ball was foul.
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Yes, but it has to be limited
Home runs, fair foul, and fan interference. I don’t want it to get to the point that safe/out calls on the bases or ball/strike calls can be disputed.
If it is done right, with some sort of replay official up in the booth, using replay to get a call right can actually save time. Getting a replay only takes a few seconds – having a group of umps get together to confer, then having both managers waddle out to argue… can take 10-12 minutes.
This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
by HectorVillanueva on May 23, 2008 7:56 AM CDT reply actions
Question.
Who is the “replay official”? A fifth umpire? That would mean hiring 15 more umpires.
Maybe they do it like the NHL does it, monitoring games in the MLB offices in NY. If you do it for HR calls only, it won’t happen more than a couple times a week, if that.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I'm sure MLB can afford a few more umps.
but if it’s some guy in a video room across the country, as long as it moves quickly, that’s fine with me.
This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
by HectorVillanueva on May 23, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
It can just be the official scorer of the game...
The official scorer has the luxury of watching replays to judge whether a hit is an error… a passed ball is a wild pitch, etc, etc.
At least, that’s what was explained to me when I took a tour of Wrigley Field a couple years ago.
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The official scorer...
... is a sportswriter. You want those guys to decide?
It has to be a MLB employee. In fact, dump the writers as scorers; the official scorer should also be a MLB employee. This would be a way of doing that; hire a fifth umpire to be the official scorer and also do the replay thing if needed.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
+1
Great idea. Should have been done long ago..
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on May 23, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Well... heck
I didn’t realize they were sportswriters! So, MLB has been getting that position filled for free all these years?
But, yes… your suggestion fits: The scorer should be an MLB employee… and also handle replay.
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I think it would be funny
If the managers had a replay flag like they do in football and they threw it on the field if they thought the homerun was questionable, if they are wrong they are charged an out. Seriously though I think replays on homeruns have been long overdue, technology has changed and as much as I like to keep the game pure if umps keep blowing calls I think it becomes neccessary
"We Are Not Fair Weather But Foul Weather Fans, Brothers In Arms In Streets and The Stands." -Eddie Vedder, Someday We'll Go All The Way
by ryanbrixenivy on May 23, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it's only becoming necessary because
the umpires today just don’t seem to get many calls correct. For example, there was the dispute over the Padres/Rockies game last year with the play at home plate. There have also been bad HR calls as mentioned. Either get umpires who can handle their responsibilities on the field or Instant Replay isn’t that far fetched.
HRs only...
anything else takes away from the the human judgement element of the umpires. I was always against instant replay, but if they had to implement some form, just limit it to HRs.
You ARE freaking out MAN!
i have thought this over long and hard
games at times drag on a whole already. although i want the right call games need not get any longer. heres what i propose start fining and suspending umps say after 3 blown calls or something. theres always gonna be human error but i have studied these umps and many times i’m seeing laziness on their part. their not hustling to get in position and not paying attention to detail near enough. when a player/manager calls them on it they make themselves the star of the show and ring them up etc.
It might beeeeee!! It could beeeeeee!! It issssss!! Homerun!! Holyyyyyyy Cow!!!
I've been wanting to put replay into the game for this exact purpose
for a number of years now.
That call on a HR hugging the foul pole has been made incorrectly several times throughout the course of any season. I absolutely see no reason why the umps can’t take a look at it to get it right. The ball is either a HR, or foul. It does not interfere with any baserunning or “momentum” type of play. It’s a dead ball anyway.
And, this circumstance happens so infrequently, that it would not compromise overall gametime.
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by digitalbenjamin on May 23, 2008 9:30 AM CDT reply actions
One Challenge Per Team Per Game
I would like to see out/safe calls, fair/foul calls, and fan interference calls to be reviewable. Each team should only get 1 call to challenge per game. You better think you have a legitimate case, if you challenge a call. There should be conclusive evidence to overturn a call. That means 2 calls maximum would be challenged during a game. I don’t think that’s excessive. Yes, this would require hiring an additional 5th umpire to review the calls.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
I think it would work well...
...for Hr and Fair/Foul. It might become a time drag to include Out/Safe.
"Baseball is like church- many attend, few understand." ~ Leo Durocher
oops..
Meant to include- for HRs and Fair/Foul, but might be a time drag to include Out/Safe.
"Baseball is like church- many attend, few understand." ~ Leo Durocher
I say "yay" to HRs and fair/foul balls only
but only if it’s an “instant” replay that can be seen by viewing the footage within a short set time (for example, 30-45 seconds). If an official has to rock the tape back and forth a few dozen times over 2-3 minutes, then it’s inconclusive and the call on the field stands. Some calls are obvious at second glance (and in slow motion).
Obviously, the official call must be made before the next pitch, even if footage from an outside source clearly reveals otherwise minutes later.
Not that there are many, but will umpire conferences be a thing of the past with instant replay? I assume in every situation, only one umpire assumes responsibility of calling hit balls fair or foul and watches all fly balls.
In the recent Delgado HR-turned-foul-ball case, third-base umpire Mike Reilly ruled Delgado’s fly ball down the left-field line a three-run home run but was overruled by home plate umpire Bob Davidson, who called the ball foul after a brief meeting of all the umpires.
BTW, Davidson readily admitted his mistake to reporters after the game.
I am against challenges. Off the top of my head, I can see managers using bogus challenges to warm up a pitcher in the bullpen or stall the momentum of the game. Plus, what would be the penalty for lost challenges? Can’t add or subtract an out . The baseball purists would go nuts.
"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."
Penalty for Lost Challenges
The best penalty I can think of is taking away the team’s challenge for the next game. The challenge thing won’t happen, anyway. Though, it could work, if the challenges were to be limited to one per game per team. A team may not have that challenge as a penalty for losing a challenge in the previous game. That penalty would make a team think twice about using bogus challenges. BTW, the baseball purists would go nuts.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
That's an excellent idea.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
No challenges at all please
It shouldn’t become a strategic part of the game, nor should it change the rules of the game.
Let the umps use it to help make the correct call. Period.
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Well, for the situation you brought up...
that manager can’t change pitchers right away. The pitcher in the game must face at least one more batter.
But for the momentum thing, there’s nothing to eliminate that, hence part of the reason I stated already it’d be for HR balls only.
Be careful what you wish for.
Instant replay was brought into Rugby a few years ago and has really hurt the game.
The burst of excitiement as you see the ref call try given has gone and has been replaced by an awful murmuring and shuffling of feet while the crowd waits for the decision,,,,,and now you still have just as many “controversial” decisions made cos the guy watching the replay has to decide from the pictures he’s been given…not always the best angle etc.
I’d support replay for home run calls but nothing else…..It would rob the game of an essential dynamic….watch the play…eyes flick to the umpire….OUT
You blind #^%$
No
Baseball umpires do an excellent job at their craft. The wrong call sometimes happens, but I’m a big believer in these things evening out. Add instant replay and I guarantee you alienate and piss off major league umpires. It’s not worth it. So what if a blown call happens every now and then.
I wish the Nintendo geeks would leave the fu*k alone major league baseball. This is not a game of robots and computer programs.
"It is never too early to start beefing up your obituary."
How do you "alienate and piss off major league umpires"...
... if they are the ones making the replay calls? That’s probably what would happen, as a fifth umpire would be the “replay umpire”.
You’re right. Umpires usually do a good job. However, in high-profile cases like the recent blown HR calls, it would be nice to get them right.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Witness the 'us v. them' attitude of umpires now...
Angel Hernandez and Country Joe come to mind. Adding replay wouldn’t change a thing re: the umps. So this discussion is all about Nintendo geeks? I can’t believe that I actually agree with you on something, MDBNIU…..but your reasoning is, once again, based in hatred of those who disagree with you.
by crazymountain on May 24, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Well....
Lets have instant replay on all calls,balls and strikes also,and make beer two dollars a cup!
Grant Earnhart
I think we would all be in favor of two dollar beer.....
by crazymountain on May 24, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Um, nope.
Because cheap beer would mean more drunken idiot behavior at ballparks.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I don't think so....
idiots are gonna be idiots regardless of the price of beer.
by crazymountain on May 24, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
True, but...
... reducing the price will give you MORE idiots.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
No way...
So next we let ESPN call balls and strikes with their little box? Let the AL have instant replay to go along with the DH. Baseball doesn’t need to be tweaked, it is a game played and officiated by humans. Lets leave it that way. The DH is bad enough. I doubt that Instant Replay will do anything but lengthen games anyway. Look at how it has screwed up the continuity of the NFL.
If our interest is getting 'big calls' right, then I agree with HRs only and that's why I voted that way.
However, in this scenario, the big Holliday play-at-the-plate last year would not have been reviewed. So what do you think about this:
Reviews are available only a) on Home Runs and b) any run-scoring play taking place in the 6th (or 7th?) inning on, until the game is completed. You might also want to add a caveat to B: Replay is available only if the deficit between the competitors is 5 runs or less at the beginning of the play. (My aim there is to avoid reviewing a play at the plate in a 15-3 game that really isn’t going to make much difference to the outcome.)
Thoughts?
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
The beauty of baseball is that
there is no clock. You play until the game is over. There have been many games that were lopsided in the 7th inning or later and the team on the losing end has either tied it or won it when it was all said and done. If you are gonna say no replay at 15 -3, why not just call the game a win for the team with the 15? An NFL game where the Bills were down 35 – 3 (or something), game over, right? Nope.
by crazymountain on May 24, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Clock or not, it takes more than that.
Nowhere did I say “the game should be declared over at 15-3.” Of course a team can come back, but it’s going to take a whole lot more than ONE play at the plate down 12 runs to do so. The vast vast vast majority of 15-3 games are not going to be comeback wins. The games are long enough as it is, why punish the winning team with replay after replay of close calls? Isn’t it the losing team’s fault for getting down 15-3 in the first place? If they make the comeback and cut the deficit to 5 runs (and I was being generous to your side of the argument even, save situations are 3), then they won’t be cheated on a close call after a fantastic comeback. But it’s up to them to get to that point in the first place.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
I never said that you would declare the game over at 15 - 3.
All things have a progression. All I said is that IF there is no replay with a lopsided score late, why not just call the game? IF there is no replay with a lopsided score, that intimates that the disputed play has no value.
by crazymountain on May 24, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
We don’t call games at 15-3 now. Why would that change with replay? How many teams come back now, without replay, from 15-3? Not very many. Reviewing is supposed to make sure close games aren’t lost on a bad call. If the team down 15-3 can come back and make it close, review will make sure that very thing – losing on a bad call – won’t happen. It’s not a value judgment at all. It’s a question of time length and fairness to the team leading. If I was up 15-3 I sure wouldn’t like waiting for a replay to complete on a bang-bang play at the plate that makes the score …. 15-4. Like I said, it’s up to the trailing team to get it close again. We can’t assume EVERY 15-3 game is going to be a thrilling comeback victory not treat it as such. The onus is on the losing team to pull this question out of the realm of mootness.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
*...comeback victory, nor treat it...
my finger missed the R and hit the T.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
I am well versed in typonese...
but if the 4th run has no value, then what? You bring up “fairness to the team leading”. What about fairness to the losing team? And, who ever said life was fair to begin with?
by crazymountain on May 24, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Fairness is the reason we're even talking about having replay.
Again, my picking 5 runs doesn’t mean I don’t think run #4 has any value. To repeat, again: This is NOT a value judgment.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

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