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Oh, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! - Cubs 5, Pirates 6

It looked and felt just like the Brant Brown Game, didn't it?

A lazy fly ball that the left fielder should have caught to end the game instead winds up giving the game to the other side. It didn't happen exactly as it did ten years ago in Milwaukee -- when Brown dropped the fly with the bases loaded and the Cubs ahead by two, all three runs scored and the Brewers won. In this case Alfonso Soriano's drop just tied the game and the Pirates had to wait two more innings before winning 6-5, but the net effect is the same -- a demoralizing, depressing loss of a game that should have been won.

The good news is that the 1998 Cubs came back from that deflating loss and won the wild card spot five days later. This team is far better than that one and has far more time left, and they'll come back.

But for today, as Len said, Carlos Marmol must have been standing on the mound watching the fly ball knowing he'd saved the game, and then it all changed. The psychological impact of something like that cannot be overstated.

Let's start at the beginning, though, shall we? I hereby offer my services to MLB as a replay official. I work cheap -- don't even need them to buy me a big plasma screen so I can see the plays up close, I already have one -- and I'll instant-message the correct result to the ballpark right after I make the right call. For the fifth time in the last week, an umpire blew a call when Luis Rivas' drive in the first inning hit the top of the LF wall in front of Soriano (who took his eye off the ball, the #1 sin for any fielder), then bounced straight up in the air, never actually landing in the stands, before landing on the field. (Rivas later hit an actual, indisputed homer to the LF corner, as if to say, "See, I really CAN hit one.")

Soriano is partly to blame here. If he had played the ball (and probably didn't because he couldn't find it), then Lou might have had a good reason to come out and ask the umpires to have a conference, and who knows, like they did in New York last Sunday, maybe they'd have overturned the call. You could say this was the difference in the game, since the Cubs would have had a 5-3 lead in the 9th instead of 5-4, but as Bob Brenly said repeatedly during the telecase, you don't know what would have happened if, as should have happened, Rivas wound up on second with a ground-rule double. Maybe he'd have scored anyway.

Soriano tried to make up for his lazy play by hitting a two-run homer in the Cubs' four-run third that gave them the lead, but Ted Lilly just wasn't sharp today. You could tell he was laboring, and each inning that he got through without giving up a run was a gift. He left with the game tied at 4 and having thrown 101 pitches.

The bullpen did its job as the Cubs took the lead on an Aramis Ramirez RBI single, just as A-Ram gave the club the lead last night with his double. Marmol did his job too, although I could have done without the walks. Can anyone explain how that run off him counts as earned? Soriano was charged with an error on the dropped fly ball -- if he catches it, the game is over! The run has to be unearned.

Ah, well. Doesn't really matter. It's a run anyway, a loss anyway, and the team just has to regroup coming home tomorrow. Fortunately, the Cubs have played extremely well at home and they had just as tough a road trip (through St. Louis and Cincinnati) earlier this month and came home and had a terrific homestand. I expect nothing less this time -- 5-2 is imperative, 6-1 would be great.

Len & Bob were, justifiably, extremely critical of Soriano after his drop. They said, correctly, that he really isn't a very good left fielder, apart from his plus throwing arm. With his leg in uncertain status, that has to decrease his range. The Cubs have to think about doing one of two things: if Soriano really is hurt -- and it appears to this observer that he still is -- put him on the DL and let him rest till he's well. If not, then they have to consider taking him out of games for defense in the late innings.

In the meantime, I was serious about my offer of being a replay official, though of course I could only do it for road games, since I'm at all the home games. Len & Bob discussed this and said in shooting the breeze about this issue, someone came up with the idea of assigning an extra umpire to every crew, to cover the outfield for just such situations. That'd be a tall order -- you'd have to have someone who could run fast, to cover the entire outfield -- but this, along with all the other suggestions, are worth considering. In this Baseball Prospectus article ($), John Perrotto says Bud and the boys may actually do something... but check out what Lou has to say, too:

Commissioner Bud Selig has admittedly never been a big fan of the concept. "The commissioner calls instant replay umpires getting together and trying to get the call right," said Bob Watson, MLB vice president of standards and on-field operations. "That is instant replay in his estimation." But when Selig was a guest on XM Radio’s The Baseball Beat on Friday, he told host Charley Steiner that he is at least willing to consider replay. "Everybody knows how I think about these issues," Selig said. "I really am a traditionalist because I think it is right to understand the history of this sport, to be very careful anytime you make a change. But I am very seriously reviewing this entire matter, and I’ll take it from there. I can’t say any more now, because I don’t know how it is going to come out."

As the GM vote suggests, most people in the game are already in favor of limited instant replay. "I think it can be a win-win situation if everyone ends up voting for it," Royals manager Trey Hillman said. "I would be in favor of it because some of the calls--fair or foul, or contact calls [in or out of the park]--are tough for umpires to make."

Astros manager Cecil Cooper would like to see replay used in what he calls 'game-changing' situations. "I think we should have like they do in basketball," Cooper said. "All the times at the end of quarters or end of the games they always let the video determine whether the guy got the shot off."

Cubs manager Lou Piniella, though, is a contrarian, and wants no part of instant replay. He admits to getting frustrated when watching NFL games on television and seeing the coaches throw their red flags to challenge an official’s call. "When they start reviewing calls, I know I have five minutes to go to the refrigerator," Piniella said. "It just really slows the game down. All the general managers and either managers or bench coaches were just required to be on an hour-long conference call [Wednesday] with the commissioner’s office about speeding up the pace of the games. Replay would only slow games down. Players make mistakes, coaches make mistakes, managers make mistakes, and so do umpires. We’re all human, and I don’t think you should take the human element out of the game."

Food for thought, anyway. For now, get this game out of your psyche. There are 112 games remaining, and tomorrow is at home.

One final note -- it's time to call an end to the Jim Edmonds Experiment. His lazy fly ball pinch-hitting today looked like a 60-year-old coach hitting fungoes. He's DONE.

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carlos marmol, welcome to kerry wood’s life.

by gocubsgoradio720 on May 25, 2008 4:17 PM CDT   0 recs

That Edmonds fly ball...

Really fooled Nady. I guess he didn’t get the memo that Jim doesn’t have it anymore.

I bleed blue... and red, but that's not my fault. I didn't get to choose that one.

by BabeRuthPose on May 25, 2008 4:21 PM CDT   0 recs

edmonds is done.

with no other available choice other than putting cedeno out there(doubt he can handle it defensively)—-what do we do? pie isnt an option at this point. sorry if you have man crushes on him or your an over valueing cub fan but he’s not a major leaguer.

OT-———joakim noah was arrested for marijauna and alcohol. i said 3 days ago he was a cancerous thug and was quickly rebuffed by a poster who seems to know more than me. apology maybe?? you know who you are!

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by cubsluver22 on May 25, 2008 4:26 PM CDT   0 recs

trolling for apologies are we? (no pun intended)

geez, if you’re that desperate for positive affirmation, go rent a Stuart Smalley video or something…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on May 25, 2008 4:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

not really

there are just some who seem to know everything about evreything. no matter what is talked about. thats all

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by cubsluver22 on May 25, 2008 5:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I will not apologize.

He is not a cancerous thug. It happens to athletes quite often. Hell I’d bet money there are people in here who have marijuana. Does that make them thugs too?

Was it poor choice on his part? Absolutely.

by sue369 on May 25, 2008 7:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

really?

Why do you dislike Noah so much? Your obvious distaste for him colors your argument that he might be bad for the team (which I also disagree with). Seems to me he plays hard and wants to win, which is more than could be said for Ben Wallace, who was, in my opinion, the real problem with the Bulls last year.

by tal1286 on May 25, 2008 5:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

doing drugs

isnt bad for a team???

It might beeeeee!! It could beeeeeee!! It issssss!! Homerun!! Holyyyyyyy Cow!!!

by cubsluver22 on May 25, 2008 5:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

let's see...

from what I read, he was arrested for violating an open container ordinance, i.e. he was carrying a plastic cup containing an “amber drink”, which I would assume was beer. Then while at the police station, they found some marijuana in his pocket. Now unless Mr. Noah has extremely deep pockets, I’m guessing we’re talking recreational use amount, not quantities for mass distribution.

Illegal? Sure, and he’ll have to pay his fine or do community service or whatever. And obviously not a good role model for all the little bulls and heifers out there. But this is hardly to the depths of being a “cancerous thug”, whatever that may be.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on May 25, 2008 7:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Who gets taken to the police station...

for an open container bust?? I got busted plenty of times for that violation back in school and a year or two afterwards, and every time I was issued a citation on spot, in which I had the option to later pay the fine or appear in court.

by MillsChC on May 25, 2008 8:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

My guess

Edmonds will get this homestand ( or I least hope, and then enough, and bring back pie)
Soriano will get killed on this game, and yes I can see why. But as I mentioned in the extra inning post, Lilly can’t give up homeruns to Louis Rivas, even though one was a double, Dome looks tired and hasn’t ripped a ball in a week. Woody hits a batter in the ninth last night and scores, Marmol walks a batter in the ninth and he scores, but it will all fall on Soriano, the punching bag for the Cubs
But I agree Al, time to sit Soriano late in the game with the lead.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on May 25, 2008 4:28 PM CDT   0 recs

I'm worried about Lou

It’s only a quarter into the season and he looks WORN OUT.

"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry

by Jayo525 on May 25, 2008 4:33 PM CDT   0 recs

Every game is like a playoff game

fans are riding on every pitch and the talk of a WS on the North Side has expectations high. When you have a good team, managers have to manage at a higher level IMO. When you are in every game, you manage every at bat, so to speak. When we were the lovable losers, it took less effort because we weren’t in many games. You could go through the motions at times, not that I am calling out any manager of doing that, but you know what I mean.

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on May 25, 2008 4:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

every game

that’s what i hate about cub games/fans…2 outs 2 strikes 2nd inning…eveyone’s on their feet!!!! Cub fans have to relax!!! it’s a long season…when you cheer constantly, it’s very annoying, like the NBA or the NFL….

by billy26 on May 25, 2008 11:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Cheering is annoying?

"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott

by Reddevil on May 26, 2008 12:01 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

it certainly creates a lot of pressure

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 26, 2008 9:46 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If Soriano,

still doesn’t feel comfortable. DL him. Matter fact - Don’t even ask him how he feels, evaluate him - the either Lou or Hendry decides what is best. I’m so tired of him limping and being so tender on his leg if he’s not 100%. Ugh, and the missed catch …........... I don’t even want to say what’s going on in my mind.

But – tomorrow is another day. We still are a great team. Yes, a GREAT team. Let’s not forget that. We will start winning on the road. We are a #2 starter and a decent CF away from being a championship caliber team.

Let’s win against those Dodgers tomorrow!

by Unique on May 25, 2008 4:34 PM CDT   0 recs

Lou seems like he is willing

to put up with Sori’s crappy outfield play as long as he hits his HR’s. But if he is hurting, he is hurting the team as well.

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on May 25, 2008 4:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

soriano

management dont pony up 100+ million for a player to sit on the bench. no matter what we think. i’d really like to see him get a public butt chewing a time or two. sometimes business isnt fair but thats the way it is. piniella may have no choice in the matter.

It might beeeeee!! It could beeeeeee!! It issssss!! Homerun!! Holyyyyyyy Cow!!!

by cubsluver22 on May 25, 2008 5:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We've played 8 series' on the road

and have won only one – the first road trip when we swept these same Pirates. Sure, things will level out over the course of the season, but we need to close out the games when we take the lead into the 9th.

We are 10-14 on the road so far, with June being on the road for 17 games. Could get ugly.

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on May 25, 2008 4:34 PM CDT   0 recs

thank you

I was going to post the same, Cubs are 0-6-1 in series since the sweep of the Pirates 7-10 April,
But I am sure that is Soriano’s fault also.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on May 25, 2008 4:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Can easily hang these late inning losses on Sori

but we lost these as a team. Marmol walking a man in the 9th today, Wood and his HBP adventure yesterday. I am buoyed by the fact we have been getting clutch runs late. At least we are still fighting back.

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on May 25, 2008 4:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

10-13 on the road, not 10-14.

Bad enough. The next road trip, to the west coast, will tell us a lot.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 25, 2008 6:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Another thing.

It feels like we should of swept this series. And Fukudome’s power is non-existing.

by Unique on May 25, 2008 4:40 PM CDT   0 recs

Soriano's drop killed this game.

But there were two other key drops that didn’t help: Theriot’s drop of Dome’s incredible throw to second that should’ve nailed Laroche, and Blanco’s drop of Reed’s throw home that should’ve nailed Laroche.

Then there was yet another strike ‘em out-throw ‘em out today.

Sloppy baserunning and sloppy defense did the Cubs in; time for Lou to tighten up the screws.

And Jim Edmonds is cashed. Time for that cowboy to ride of into the sunset.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 25, 2008 4:44 PM CDT   0 recs

Hoffpauir, obviously! :D

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on May 25, 2008 4:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I would move Johnson over to left,

and put Edmonds in center. Edmonds might be done … but he’s not as much of a problem as Soriano.

by Unique on May 25, 2008 4:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

To be honest.

Soriano is a dangerous hitter .. but I think the chances are higher that he would screw up the game defensively before he would win it for us offensively.

by Unique on May 25, 2008 4:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not MUCH higher.

Slightly anyway. Still don’t want him out there when he is favoring that leg and what not.

by Unique on May 25, 2008 4:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

edmonds??

edmonds instead of soriano?? soriano just hit 5 homers in 3 days…member that???

by billy26 on May 25, 2008 11:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

There's not one, really,

despite Brenly’s on-air assertion that “you can throw a dart at the Cubs bench and hit someone who’d be a better LF’er.” It alarms me that he speak glowingly of certain defensively inadequate players on one hand and be so bluntly critical of certain others. Perhaps the best thing to do, and this ONLY for late-inning defense, would be to shift Johnson over to LF, put Edmonds (Pie if he comes back when Edmonds is finally released) in CF, and have Dome in RF. I can probably name 10 guys on the Cubs who would be worse defensive LF’ers, though; that might be the dumbest thing I’ve heard BB say.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 25, 2008 4:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's the crux of the matter.

The team’s best defensive outfielder is down in AAA right now. So long as that’s going on, you’re going to have to eat some bad defense in the outfield – Edmonds and Johnson can patrol their own zone just fine, but they can’t cover the ground that Pie can. And that makes our corner men cover more ground, and overexposes them as well.

by cwyers on May 25, 2008 4:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly.

Pie should never have been sent down in the first place. Get rid of Edmonds and bring him back.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 25, 2008 6:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

al

you just cant come to the realization that felix pie isnt a major leaguer yet can you? letting him continue to fail until every cub fan in america is satisfied he’s a dud should not be an option. truth is until he can fine tune his approach and swing at the plate he will never succeed at this level. right dead in the middle of a huge pennant race isnt a time for that either. dont really know a good comparison to use other than—when your a kid and your parents wont let you in the room with the adults to actively particiapte it makes you mad cause in your mind you have so much to offer but the fact of the matter is you really are not on their level yet.

It might beeeeee!! It could beeeeeee!! It issssss!! Homerun!! Holyyyyyyy Cow!!!

by cubsluver22 on May 25, 2008 7:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Let's see.

On what basis do we know that Felix Pie isn’t a major leaguer? From sitting on the bench for 75% of the games this year?

It’s not time to put him in the heat of a pennant race? Would you rather have Jim Edmonds? Or would you rather have Alfonso Soriano dropping balls because there’s no suitable defensive replacement on the bench?

Your analogy is irrelevant. Lou Piniella doesn’t like Pie and that’s the reason he’s not here. I usually trust Lou’s judgment, but in this case I think he happens to be wrong.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 25, 2008 7:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

c'mon

piniella dont like pie? thats not true and you know it. piniella wants to win ballgames and i believe that wholeheartedly. cant say he dont like rookies cause he’s running soto out there everyday. when pie can actively contribute to this club on a major league level he will be here immediately.

It might beeeeee!! It could beeeeeee!! It issssss!! Homerun!! Holyyyyyyy Cow!!!

by cubsluver22 on May 25, 2008 7:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

/obligatory "i'm sure Piniella likes pie" joke

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on May 25, 2008 7:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

uggghhhh

the frustrating Pie debate continues- “he’s not a major league level baseball player”. Name the outfielders in the NL Central who field their position better than Felix Pie. Kosuke Fukodome maybe, Mike Cameron maybe, beyond that I can’t think of any. But outfield defense isn’t helpful in winning baseball games, as we saw this afternoon.

The highest scoring offense in all of baseball can afford to carry .230 in 1/2 to 2/3 of the games in a platoon with Reed Johnson against lefties in exchange for gold-glove level defense throughout the season and be just fine. Not to mention, with extended playing time, that .230 has the potential to improve to 260-270, which is even more acceptable (see Johnson, Reed)

by philadelphiacub on May 25, 2008 7:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

except

he IS a major leaguer.

Do you think he’d miss that catch today? No. If he can hit .230-.250 and bring his glove, we’re FINE. It’s not like Edmonds or Johnson are better. Certainly not Edmonds.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 25, 2008 7:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

well I wont argue

edmonds needs to go 1st thing in the morning. i cant stand him, reed(who i like alot) isnt a major league everyday player, and we really have absolutely no one else. but theres is absolutely no basis of truth to the statement pie is a major leaguer. he’s done next to the nothing at the major league level. i’m sorry there our over-valuing cub fans but the truth is the truth. heck at this point he cant even hit triple a pitching and thats embarassing considering the fact there are so many that wanna argue he needs to be in chicago.

It might beeeeee!! It could beeeeeee!! It issssss!! Homerun!! Holyyyyyyy Cow!!!

by cubsluver22 on May 25, 2008 7:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

he's done next to nothing offensively

because he hasn’t been given a chance to do hardly anything.

Right before he was sent down, he was hitting pretty well. No chance was given to see if that could continue.

And he catches a LOT of balls. He robbed Griffey of a homerun in a stand at Cincy. That’s hardly “nothing”.

If he’s really working on his swing, it’s utterly understandable that he’d struggle with hitting—incorporating changes into your swing must be pretty difficult.

You be embarrassed and I’ll simply be sad that we’re squandering this very good prospect while we need him up here making catches.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 25, 2008 7:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

reed

made the catch of the year and is light years ahead of pie at the plate but he’s not an everyday player and we all agree on that. i wanna like pie and do for most part but he’s not ready.

It might beeeeee!! It could beeeeeee!! It issssss!! Homerun!! Holyyyyyyy Cow!!!

by cubsluver22 on May 25, 2008 7:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think Reed

is lightyears ahead of Pie at the plate. Before Pie was sent down, he was batting better than Reed in the last few series.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 25, 2008 7:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

pie

is also struggling at AAA….its not like he’s showing he can hit right now.

by cubsmania on May 25, 2008 8:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

sigh

once again, if Pie is working on chances to his swing, it’s utterly reasonable that he would struggle at the plate.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 25, 2008 9:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

so why not

let him work it out in AAA as opposed to struggling in the majors?

by cubsmania on May 25, 2008 9:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

because we need his glove in centerfield.

because you can’t learn to hit MLB pitching in AAA. Because he deserves to be here.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 25, 2008 9:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

problem is

its doing no good.

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by cubsluver22 on May 25, 2008 9:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

how do you know?

he’s making the adjustements to something he’s done naturally for years RIGHT NOW. So the changes should somehow be instant?

That’s terribly unfair.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 25, 2008 9:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes, it could be that his swing is unfixed,

but it could also just be that he’s hit a bad streak. Even Aramis Ramirez could go 0-15 in AAA. Hitters have bad streaks. Sometimes their timing is off. Sometimes their timing is on but every hard hit ball goes into a glove. That’s why you don’t make evalutations of a player’s abilities on small statistical sample sizes. No one has the right to say after a couple weeks that Pie isn’t hitting AAA pitching unless they are watching every game. Do we have an updated scouting report on Pie, or are we just glancing at box scores and using them to pad arguments we had prepared in advance?

by DGU on May 25, 2008 9:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I would presume

people are going off box-scores. I’m not making any assumptions whatsoever - we KNOW he’s working on his swing. -shrug

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 25, 2008 9:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You're right that he has been working on his swing.

I’d really like a scouting report so we know if he still is working on it, if he’s worked it out but it’s not working for him, if he’s going back and forth between the old swing or the new swing. Anyway, you (drewishdrewid) have been making good arguments through this thread. I only interjected myself because I don’t think cubsluver22’s premise is even accurate – we don’t know that “Pie’s not hitting AAA pitching.” He did hit a HR the other night.

by DGU on May 25, 2008 9:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

:D

thankee, sai.

I’d like to see a scouting report as well. Doesn’t Josh77 do those? How indepth?

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 25, 2008 9:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll take as much info as I can get.

And I’ll post a question in one of Josh’s recaps.

by DGU on May 25, 2008 9:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

its unfair

to judge a player that hasnt shown he can hit major league pitching? some people amaze me to no end. send soriano out of town cause he plays bad but get mad because pie’s not in town even though he cant hit.

It might beeeeee!! It could beeeeeee!! It issssss!! Homerun!! Holyyyyyyy Cow!!!

by cubsluver22 on May 25, 2008 9:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

he has not shown that. He has not been given the chance to show it.

And very few people want to dump Soriano, and those that do are NOT Pie fans.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 25, 2008 9:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

pie?

so the sun would have missed Pie’s eyes???...c’mon, it might’ve happened to anybody…..

by billy26 on May 26, 2008 12:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll take that one more step...

...and say Pie never should have been brought North with the club to start the season. He struggled over the winter and didn’t exactly rip up ST either. He should have been sent to AAA for 6-7 weeks and he may have been up here by now, with his swing somewhat sorted out.

Anyway, I have said on numerous occasions; if it is the last inning and the game is on the line, Soriano is the last person I want the ball hit to and today showed why. He is what he is folks, there should be no surprises.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on May 25, 2008 9:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Al

“But for today, as Len said, Carlos Marmol must have been standing on the mound watching the fly ball knowing he’d saved the game, and then it all changed. The psychological impact of something like that cannot be overstated.
This is nonsense. Things happen all the time to change the outcome of a game. To attach the term “psychological damage” to it, is just plain silly. When a reliever blows a game do you really think the rest of the team is damaged psychologically. You seem to be over reacting to this.

by cubswin on May 25, 2008 4:48 PM CDT   0 recs

Len and Bob were on Sori's back like I've never heard them before.

They fell over themselves making excuses for Theriot last night and they just crucified Soriano today. Not their finest moment.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 25, 2008 4:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

To be fair

Al didn’t say “psychological damage” he said psychological “impact.” There’s a big difference between the two. The team may not be damaged psychologically but you can be sure they were impacted.

"you can throw a dart at that dugout to find a better defender in left field" -- Bob Brenly

by Emelie on May 25, 2008 6:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs