Open Thread: Cubs vs. Dodgers, Tuesday 5/27, 6:05 CT
Los Angeles Dodgers @ Chicago Cubs
Yesterday: summer, 82 degrees, humid. Today, cold, windy, temperatures likely in the 40's. Don'tcha just love Chicago weather?
Today's Baseball Prospectus preview ($) notes that Kosuke Fukudome will be facing a countryman for the first time, and that:So far this season, Japanese major league batters are just 1-for-13 with five walks against Japanese pitchers. Fukudome would love to get a hit against anyone right now, Japanese or no, as he has slumped to .256/.354/.329 in 97 PA since the start of May after hitting .327/.436/.480 in 117 April plate appearances.
True. If Dome could start hitting, maybe Lou would drop his unhealthy obsession with getting that "lefty power bat", since the team is winning anyway.
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Hiroki Kuroda is someone the Cubs scouted and considered signing a year ago, and some of you, I know, wanted him signed this past offseason. He's been decent, not great, so far in his ten major league starts.
Sean Gallagher has had two mediocre starts and one good one. He'd better start throwing more consistently or he's going to find himself back at Iowa. He has never started against the Dodgers, but had a poor relief appearance against them last September 3 at Wrigley Field, the day Carlos Zambrano melted down and dissed fans who were booing him.
Today's game is on ESPN, for those outside of Chicago, and on CSN Chicago, if you are in the Cubs' "territory". Also see today's MLB.com Mediacenter.
MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)
MLB.com Gameday (2008 version)
Baseball-reference.com game preview
Today's overflow comment thread will post at 7:30 pm CT.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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Lets go cubbies
ESPN game. I’m stoked!
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on
May 27, 2008 3:32 PM CDT
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Does this mean Jon Miller and Joe Morgan?
sigh… It will be radio night tonight.
"It is never too early to start beefing up your obituary."
by MDBNIU on
May 27, 2008 3:44 PM CDT
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no...
...the ‘We Only Care About Ourselves’ duo only does the Sunday night game.
Thank God!
"Be the change you wish to see in the world." -Gandhi
by ilovepie on
May 27, 2008 3:59 PM CDT
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Unless you live in Cubs "territory"
Which is Iowa, where we can’t get CSN in Des Moines.
That’s like annexing Mexico and telling them they can no longer speak Spanish.
Sheesh.
Help me Obi-ONEDEC. You're our only hope.
by IowaCubs- on
May 27, 2008 5:39 PM CDT
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You need
to switch to DirecTV or Dish. You’ll feel alot better.
by sue369 on
May 27, 2008 5:54 PM CDT
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Go with DirecTV if you want Extra Innings....
take it from those of us left holding the bag with Dish Network…
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
May 27, 2008 5:57 PM CDT
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If you don't want your Dome bobble head
I’ll gladly take it off your hands.
I know the odds. Just kidding.
by Emelie on
May 27, 2008 3:36 PM CDT
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MLB.com
has an interesting article about Kuroda getting re-acquainted with his old friend and former teammate in Japan—Alfonso Soriano.
Fukudome and Kuroda were teammates on the 2004 Olympic team.
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by Josh77 on
May 27, 2008 3:40 PM CDT
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Lieber 2nd Chance Start?
If Gallagher does not pitch well tonight, would Lieber be the logical choice to fill in the 5th starter role? Of course, Lieber got lit up in his first start this season. Lieber does have tons of experience as a starter. I still think he can pitch well enough starting games to have a respectable record and a sub-4.50 ERA. He does not have to return to his 2001 form to be an “adequate” 5th starter.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on
May 27, 2008 3:41 PM CDT
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It's possible...
Since Marshall and Hill are both on the DL, it would seem that Lieber would be the logical choice. If Gallagher really bombs, then they’ll probably send him back down for more seasoning.
by SouthernCub on
May 27, 2008 3:46 PM CDT
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There's always
Kevin Hart too. And Donnie Veal is not out of the realm of possibilities.
Randy Wells could make a start or two too. Hard to argue with his Major league lifetime ERA, which is 0.00. :-)
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by Josh77 on
May 27, 2008 5:05 PM CDT
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I really hope Veal is not a possibility
I can’t see how he would be ready.
by rlpete on
May 27, 2008 6:00 PM CDT
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Lou mentioned last week
that Gallagher would be getting 2 more starts, this being the first.
Of course, who knows the way they yank the guys with options around.
What does not kill you makes you stronger.
by Pa on
May 27, 2008 5:34 PM CDT
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Yeah, patience is not something Piniella is known for...
If Gallagher has a mediocre start, I bet he’ll get another look. If he gets shelled, he’ll be in Iowa shortly.
by SouthernCub on
May 27, 2008 5:39 PM CDT
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Wow, 2nd. How about that?
Anyways, here’s a general comment: As a life-long Cubs fan, I’d have to say this group looks like another third-place team to me, which belies the current record. My primary reasoning is that they have feasted on weak competition to date and have done so without having to deal with injuries or any other unexpected hurdles. Furthermore, the club has major question marks as far as player personnel goes in the starting rotation and across the outfield. They have been fortunate to get enough hot bats going early in combination with exceptional middle relief, applied liberally, to grab the number of wins they have already. I’d say they need to get the starting five figured out in a hurry, along with a regular starting nine, in order to forge an identity to carry throughout the summer. That means bring on the call-ups and find what sticks.
Go Cubs,
Jeremy
by Jerry Mumphrey on
May 27, 2008 3:43 PM CDT
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i don't know about weak competition
yes, we all know they have beat up on the Pirates this year but they did sweep the Diamondbacks and Mets (never easy games, slow start or not). We’re 4-4 against the East and 8-2 against the West. And hey, all teams have question marks… i think of all the teams in the NL central, we have the easiest to deal with.
by RMRZisMYmanCRUSH on
May 27, 2008 4:00 PM CDT
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no injuries and no hurdles?
Soriano was out 2 weeks, I’d call that an injury. Pie not hitting big league pitching as needed, I’d call that a hurdle.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on
May 27, 2008 4:03 PM CDT
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How about
Hill and Howry not pitching up to expectations and Eyre being out most of April and May, those would be a hurdles too.
Plus, every one knocks the Pirates as weak competition, but they do have an above .500 record against all teams that are not the Cubs.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on
May 27, 2008 4:26 PM CDT
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actually, if you take away head to head play
The Pirates have a better record than the Cubs.
I agree—can’t dismiss them as weak competition.
by Shanghai Badger on
May 27, 2008 4:30 PM CDT
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and it's not like
there haven’t been a lot of REALLY tough games against the Bucs. They’re a good team, at least right now.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on
May 27, 2008 5:08 PM CDT
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Not completely off base but...
you say they have had no unexpected hurdles but then go on to mention the rotation. Did you really think Rich Hill would be sent down in May when the season started. I don’t think anyone expected that. Also, Ramirez, Soriano and Ward have all had injuries so far. Like Al has mentioned many times before, good teams beat bad teams alot. 9-3 against Pittsburgh is a good record no matter how bad they are. If the Cubs were mediocre I would expect them to only be 7-5 or 8-4 at best against the Pirates. As far as the outfield goes, Soriano and Fukudome are not question marks (or at least not anymore than any other player). CF has a couple of decent options in Johnson and Pie and some shifting could be made with Fukudome.
Step away from the ledge. This thing is practically in the bag.
"I'm petrified of nipple chafing. Once it starts, it's a vicious circle." Andy Bernard
by TXCub on
May 27, 2008 4:28 PM CDT
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major question marks
across the outfield?
Soriano, Pie/Johnson, Dome.
What’s the question?
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on
May 27, 2008 5:07 PM CDT
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Who the heck
is not “weak comptetiton” in the National League? Arizona? We swept them and they’ve struggled outside of the NL West, which is a pathetic division right now. St. Louis and Houston? We’re ahead of them—and St. Louis has had an even weaker schedule. (Not sure on the Astros.)
Third freaking place? Behind who?
This kind of comment is not seeing the big picture. There are a lot more bad teams in the NL than good one. Heck, that’s true of the AL this season too.
The Cubs are as good as any team in baseball right now. Sure, if you put them up against the Braves or Yankee teams of the 90’s, there would be trouble. But those teams are long gone.
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by Josh77 on
May 27, 2008 5:09 PM CDT
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Pirates would be over .500
if they played .500 against the 3rd place Cubs :-)
by rlpete on
May 27, 2008 6:04 PM CDT
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What major personnel questions across the OF?
Two positions are set. Are you sure you are watching the Cubs?
And other than maybe Boston, what other teams are set with no issues?
by rlpete on
May 27, 2008 6:06 PM CDT
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Lineup
per Gordon Wittenmyer. middle infielder are getting the day off..
Soriano LF
Fontenot 2b
Lee 1b
Ramirez 3b
Fukudome RF
Edmonds CF
Soto C
Cedeno SS
Gallagher P
by lance dickson on
May 27, 2008 3:45 PM CDT
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Batting Edmonds 6th is... interesting.
As is batting our leader in SLG 7th, BEHIND Edmonds. HOpefully it works out for the best.
by SouthernCub on
May 27, 2008 3:48 PM CDT
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And 2 lefty's
Back to back in 5 & 6
Cubs Win!! Cubs Win!
by Ihatethecards on
May 27, 2008 3:49 PM CDT
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Maybe Lou is trying to give edmonds
some protection in the batting order?
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
by eswan9 on
May 27, 2008 4:08 PM CDT
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Edmonds best protection is...
Term life insurance from Colonial Penn, a lease on a condo in Del Boca Vista and flax seed.
His best protection is Felix Pie struggling in AAA.
Help me Obi-ONEDEC. You're our only hope.
by IowaCubs- on
May 27, 2008 4:36 PM CDT
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Del Boc Vista
LOL….phase 1 or 2?
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on
May 27, 2008 6:11 PM CDT
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this was my theory in the LF bleachers.
it didn’t work, unfortunately.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on
May 27, 2008 11:00 PM CDT
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Poor Kosuke
he won’t see a decent pitch all night….what about Z being our left handed bat in CF…..
by crazymountain on
May 27, 2008 5:37 PM CDT
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why o why o why
is Fontenot even considered a spot starter… oy…
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on
May 27, 2008 5:09 PM CDT
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KURODO
Light em up
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
May 27, 2008 3:49 PM CDT
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Today's Win Probabilities
Cubs win probabilities for tuesday vs Dodgers…
My Simulator:45.23%
LV Hilton: 51.22%
AccuScore: 52%
vr, Xeifrank
by Xeifrank on
May 27, 2008 3:53 PM CDT
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Oops
I posted those numbers as Dodgers win probabilities.
For the Cubs it would be…
Simulator: 54.77%
LV Hilton: 48.78%
AccuScore: 48%
vr, Xeifrank
by Xeifrank on
May 27, 2008 3:54 PM CDT
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I just played it on playstation....
...and we won 8-5.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on
May 27, 2008 3:59 PM CDT
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Same lineup??
Help me Obi-ONEDEC. You're our only hope.
by IowaCubs- on
May 27, 2008 4:37 PM CDT
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actually no...
......I had Pie in center. :)
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on
May 27, 2008 6:02 PM CDT
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Do you have any references to your simulation algorithm?
What are you basically doing? And how are you doing it? And why should we trust you? I’m not being critical, just interested in all kinds of methods people use to simulate a baseball game.
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May 27, 2008 4:08 PM CDT
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Track Record
I have a two year track record. The simulation predicted last year (before the season started and it’s documented in an old blog entry) that the Red Sox would beat the Cubs in the World Series last year. Well, it got half of it right anyways. :) As far as the algorithms used, yes it uses advanced sabemetrical algorithms. It borrows from many of the sabermetric algorithms developed by many of the top sabermetricians in the industry (ie – TangoTiger, The Book) and has improved upon some of the algorithms used by SBS-Baseball. It takes into consideration such things as, park factors, splits, pitch counts/tired pitchers, base advancement/speed and an engine to determine when to replace a pitcher based on how many pitches/how tired they are and what the leverage index is. It has an engine for determining/adjusting a hitters spectrum of likely outcomes based on the pitcher he is facing. You can also do such things as start a game that is already in progress. If the Dodgers and Cubs are tied 3-3 in the bottom of the 7th inning I could determine the win expectancy based on which actual players are in the game, not on the history of all games since 1982. It’s free to download at the link above. It can be setup to use any projection method for data input, including Zips, Chone, Marcel, Pecota, 2008 stats or any method you’d like. The accuracy really comes from the projections used at this point. There are a couple of things that I am working to improve like defense, weather effects and a search for the most accurate park effects numbers available. Thanks for the question. Let me know if you need more clarifications.
vr, Xeifrank
vr, Xeifrank
by Xeifrank on
May 27, 2008 4:44 PM CDT
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Thanks for stopping by and posting this.
You still using ZiPS as your projections?
by cwyers on
May 27, 2008 4:49 PM CDT
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Yay for Onedec!!
Nice to see him get a start.
Score early and score often Cubs!!
by sue369 on
May 27, 2008 4:07 PM CDT
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Dodgers Lineup
Dodgers Lineup per LIB
Jackie Robinson – 2B
Pee Wee Reese – SS
Mike Piazza – C
Steve Garvey – 1B
Duke Snider – CF
Pedro Guerrero – 3B
Kirk Gibson – LF
Darryl Strawberry – RF
Sandy Koufax – P
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on
May 27, 2008 4:08 PM CDT
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Gallagher..
...needs to bean Garvey 4 times.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on
May 27, 2008 4:13 PM CDT
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Cindy would like that...
Felix Pie must play everyday!
by JB 23 on
May 27, 2008 4:36 PM CDT
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Re-sign Lee Smith
Get Lee Arthur to bean Garvey. I can’t let it go. Garvey ruined my childhood.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on
May 27, 2008 4:46 PM CDT
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I think Furillo should be in RF...
by crazymountain on
May 27, 2008 5:38 PM CDT
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Not Raul Mondesi?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
May 27, 2008 5:39 PM CDT
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Even Mondesi would be better than Strawberry....
by crazymountain on
May 27, 2008 5:42 PM CDT
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Funny, I mention Strawberry
and a snake….er attorney commercial came on…
by crazymountain on
May 27, 2008 5:46 PM CDT
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We should do well against Koufax
he is pushing 80 and only throws 90mph now…
by crazymountain on
May 27, 2008 5:57 PM CDT
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Plus also...
he has to be in bed by 8 o’clock…so he’ll only pitch the first 2 innings.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
May 27, 2008 5:58 PM CDT
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Should be Reggie Smith in Right and Ron Cey at 3b
Guerrero and Strawberry. Ick.
In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this -Oysterband
by Ross on
May 27, 2008 7:08 PM CDT
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Japanese media presence at Wrigley is double its usual size tonight
for Fukudome and Kuroda
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
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May 27, 2008 4:09 PM CDT
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I wish
Dero were in LF with Reed in CF. I poted earlier….....it’s miserable night …...wind howling in…........we need speed…..defense and small ball tonight. hope I am wrong
by plenz on
May 27, 2008 4:10 PM CDT
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Watch us hit 4 HRs and win 12-8.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
May 27, 2008 4:14 PM CDT
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That would be great
but I’ll take that bet anyday. lol
by plenz on
May 27, 2008 4:16 PM CDT
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Edmonds could hit 3 in a game...
but we’d have to play in Williamsport…..now that would be a great site for a Cub game…
by crazymountain on
May 27, 2008 5:39 PM CDT
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reed
only hits HR’s into the teeth of a wrigley wind
by cubsmania on
May 27, 2008 4:15 PM CDT
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that was an extremely improbable HR.....
...but that’s baseball..no matter how carefully you match up and scour the #’s…......
BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"
by cubfever7 on
May 27, 2008 4:27 PM CDT
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hope we keep
that little shit Pierre off base tonight
by plenz on
May 27, 2008 4:17 PM CDT
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Well said.
What is it about him that so annoys me?
by zevkalman on
May 27, 2008 4:25 PM CDT
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Because he sucked for us and ruined our high hopes...
.....kind of what we’re hoping another CF doesn’t do.
BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"
by cubfever7 on
May 27, 2008 4:28 PM CDT
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he sucked for us?
Really? Didnt he lead the league in hits that year?
If you are looking for someone to hate look at Hendry for making such a huge deal for a guy we kept for a year.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on
May 27, 2008 4:30 PM CDT
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Well I believe
he also made the most outs in a season EVER. Maybe Al can weigh because I remember him arguing against Pierre leading the league in hits.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
May 27, 2008 4:31 PM CDT
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yup
lead the league in hits and his obp was barely higher than his BA. Soriano is a better leadoff guy than him. He truly was a Hendry blunder
by plenz on
May 27, 2008 4:33 PM CDT
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just think about the pitchers we gave up for pierre
we could probably use one or two of them
by cubsmania on
May 27, 2008 4:34 PM CDT
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Do you think Hendry wanted him because of the way that Pierre wears that big
baseball cap on his puny little head?
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May 27, 2008 4:36 PM CDT
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The hit totals certainly lead to overvaluing Pierre...
I would say he sucked. He was just okay. The struggles were more a result of the team not being prepared to withstand the injuries to Lee, Wood, and Prior.
by SouthernCub on
May 27, 2008 4:36 PM CDT
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"wouldn't" not "would"
I wouldn’t say he sucked.
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May 27, 2008 4:36 PM CDT
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I understand...
but he did bat .292 and had 58 SBs. and only 38 Ks in 700 Abs. i would take that right now all day.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on
May 27, 2008 4:43 PM CDT
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IIRC, I think you were with the Cubs then.
Did you know him well? His face never seemed very friendly. What kind of a guy was he?
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May 27, 2008 4:49 PM CDT
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I wouldn't say he ruined the high hopes...
I’d say the injuries of Lee, Prior, and Wood had a lot more to do with the terrible season.
That said, he certainly wasn’t very good at avoiding making outs.
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May 27, 2008 4:30 PM CDT
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I dunno why he is so annoying
hell….....he annoyed me when he was here. Not just because he was bad….....I do think of the term little shit when I see him though…lol
by plenz on
May 27, 2008 4:30 PM CDT
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Sucked was a smidge strong--created a vacuum is closer
He also had a total weenie arm and didn’t start to produce offensively until the season was all but lost (if memory serves)
BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"
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May 27, 2008 4:39 PM CDT
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Gallagher
needs to get a new MLB photo. That’s a seriously bad photograph. Of course, he needs to stay up long enough to meet the photographer.
AlaskaFan
"Year after year after year after year . . . . . after year after year after year . . ." - Steve Goodman, "Dying Cub Fan's Last Request"
by AlaskaFan on
May 27, 2008 4:44 PM CDT
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Fonty 2? Cedeno 8?
Edmonds in the game? And ahead of Soto?
Quick, somebody ramble some nonsense to me about Lou’s pedigree so I don’t completely lose my mind.
No Edmonds, No Maddux, No Problems.
by Kansas25 on
May 27, 2008 4:52 PM CDT
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Our Lou excelles in structure, attitude and a gorgeous coat. The wonderful Lou has all the qualities that we are constantly striving for. We are committed to one breed only and we choose each breeding carefully to maintain excellence with happy, healthy, sound and beautiful Lous.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
May 27, 2008 4:56 PM CDT
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beautiful plumage.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on
May 27, 2008 5:14 PM CDT
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He won a WS 18 years ago....will that suffice?
Felix Pie must play everyday!
by JB 23 on
May 27, 2008 4:56 PM CDT
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I'm a fan of Lou...
but that comment actually disheartened me. It really has been 18 years. Yikes.
No Edmonds, No Maddux, No Problems.
by Kansas25 on
May 27, 2008 5:08 PM CDT
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In fairness...
I guess it’s true that, in any one particular game, the impact of the order is probably overrated. Randomly assigning the nine guys wouldn’t be expected to produce drastically different results.
That said, I agree it’s really weird.
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May 27, 2008 4:57 PM CDT
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Fontenot's DL stint
Being out of town on VaCa recently, apparently I missed this, but ChicagoSports.com mentioned that Fontenot was placed on the DL retroactive to May 12th, is that who Hoffpauir replaced when he was called up?? And I’m guessing that we had to make a move today if he is in the starting lineup. Who did we send down?
by BMoney79 on
May 27, 2008 4:56 PM CDT
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you must mean DWard....
Felix Pie must play everyday!
by JB 23 on
May 27, 2008 4:57 PM CDT
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Well, DWard's name was listed too
I dunno, I found it confusing. Not quite sure how to post a link in this box, but it was on ChicagoSports.com under the Cubs page for Today’s Matchup. Confusing the hell outta me.
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That's a typo - it was Chad Fox...
The guy who was sent down with ulnar neuritis is Chad Fox. He was the one that was DLed retroactive to May 12. I’m not sure how Chicagosports screwed this up. But Fontenot wasn’t on the DL, so no roster changes were made today.
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K
Thanks! I figured something was goofy about that.
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Definitely goofy...
FYI – here’s the link:
http://chicagosports.sportsdirectinc.com/baseball/mlb-matchups.aspx?page=/data/mlb/matchups/g4_summary_2.html
I have no idea how they goofed this up.
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Oops, guess that link didn't work so well...
oh well.
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Fontenot hasn't been on the DL...
Ward was sent down when Hoffpauir was called up.
Moreover, it couldn’t be the case that Fontenot was DLed retroactive to May 12, as he’s played in at least four games since then.
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Lets start playing great ball...
in crappy weather!!!
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Fontenot is to second base
what Soriano is to left field.
Frying pans for hands.
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haha...true!
hope the rain is held to a drizzle
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Soriano is to left field...
what Soto is to catcher.
Average to above-average, and highly underrated.
No Edmonds, No Maddux, No Problems.
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I wouldn't call Soto
average to above average. I’d call him above-average to outstanding.
Soriano is what he is.
2008: The year we put it all together.
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Defensively only...
was the intention of the comment.
Simply pointing out that Soriano’s defensive woes are greatly exaggerated.
No Edmonds, No Maddux, No Problems.
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I AM A BIG LOU SUPPORTER
But does it seem sometimes like the players are choosing the batting order by drawing out of a hat?
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Hmmm...
I’m sure someone here could tell you the probability of D-Lee drawing the 3 spot 155 times a year…
But I agree about his curious decisions sometimes. Although, as SC stated somewhere above, lineups have a marginal impact on the game, and are often exaggerated. Well, maybe not marginal, but certainly not a large impact.
No Edmonds, No Maddux, No Problems.
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he's a tinker-er
he plays around with the lineups. DeRosa did very well in the 8-spot (although I do question the wisdom of benching a guy who is hitting the way he is, but maybe he asked for the rest).
Personally, I’d rather see Edmonds off the team than hitting 5th, but…
2008: The year we put it all together.
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VCR/DVD/TiVo Alert
DeRo is scheduled to appear on the Jim Rome show Wednesday—ESPN, 4:30 pm EDT.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
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Is Marmol back tonight??
Cuz I’m hungry.

Help me Obi-ONEDEC. You're our only hope.
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Man, he has to sit tonight
the Dodgers would eat his lunch…..
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Jeff Kent just scratched
from the Dodgers lineup. It now reads…
LF Pierre
SS Maza
RF Ethier
1B Loney
CF Kemp
3B DeWitt
2B Hu
C Ardoin
RH Kuroda
not exactly intimidating… but those are usually the nights when teams score a lot of runs. :)
vr, Xeifrank
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Couldnt be a better time to make hay against a pretty depleated Dodger squad
....missing Kent, Furcal….
Felix Pie must play everyday!
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Cant forget Jones
wait no you can forget him.
A ugly win is better than a pretty loss-Lou
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So that means....
....Hu’s on second. (I admit I can’t get enough of that routine)
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
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Do we want
To take bets on what inning Berman makes his first “Hu’s on first” joke?
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Gallagher
Based on the two games I’ve watched him throw, Gallagher looks pretty good the first time through the order, and then tends to have one bad inning around the 4th or 5th. Any thoughts on whether this is (a) him starting to tire; or (b) major league hitters who have never faced him before having a much better at-bat the second time through the lineup?
Either way, its clear (to me at least) he’s got the stuff to succeed at this level, and he does not seem to be the type to back down and walk guys out of fear of what they’ll do if he throws strikes.
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Against Houston he hung a slider
but otherwise pitched well…..he is only 22…
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pete's sake
does Dan Plesiac have an off switch?
Dood can TALK.
2008: The year we put it all together.
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Sutcliffe doing color!
Cool!
""At the end of the day, boys, you don't tell me how rough the water is, you bring in the ship." -- Steve Stone
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sober!
and good! lol
""At the end of the day, boys, you don't tell me how rough the water is, you bring in the ship." -- Steve Stone
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anyone else
hearing the announcers sound like they’re talking through a fan?
2008: The year we put it all together.
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ah
now it’s fixed.
2008: The year we put it all together.
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sounds ok here
and it’s NOT Joe Morgan so who cares? :-)
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Game in HD
on ESPN. Very nice. Don’t get that too often here in Indy.
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The Field makes me feel cold...
just looking at it.
Evening everyone. I watched all three games this weekend (agonized through the first two) but couldn’t log in because I was up in the mountains where there is no internet available. It’s rough up there, with only satellite tv and no internet. Just like the pioneers! ;-)
Go Cubs Go! Go Cubs Go! Hey Chicago, whadya say? The Cubs are going to win today!
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I hate
....Chris Berman. Just sayin….
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
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It pains me
to see them passing out those Dome dolls
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In the words of one of WGN's best advertisting customers
“The moment is right and I’m ready. ” Go Cubs!
""At the end of the day, boys, you don't tell me how rough the water is, you bring in the ship." -- Steve Stone
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oops, ESPN
duh
""At the end of the day, boys, you don't tell me how rough the water is, you bring in the ship." -- Steve Stone
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Here's to the 4-hour erection...
No Edmonds, No Maddux, No Problems.
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Agrees...

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
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Why?
No flags above the CF scoreboard, only the American flag?
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Gallagher
cut his hair!
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Erin Andrews makes Wrigley Field look a lot warmer.
Or is that just me?
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....
co-sign, brother
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
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Michael Johns did
a very nice job of singing the National Anthem.
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there at the stadium, we sure didn't think so.
i thought it was a below-average performance. wonder how it played on TV.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
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I thought he
did fine but that’s just my opinion.
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Dome vs Kuroda is classic
Kuroda was Carp ace pitcher in the same league with Dragons and I’ve been watching Dome hit against him so many times.
But this is quite new chapter for both player – let’s see what’s happening.
I hate Bob Davidson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The game is nationaly televised here in Japan live.
I'm bleeding Dragons Blue.
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Go Dragons!! Oh, I mean Cubs.
Go Cubs Go! Go Cubs Go! Hey Chicago, whadya say? The Cubs are going to win today!
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thats really cool
I hope he kicks ass tonight
"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano
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May 27, 2008 6:11 PM CDT
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yea agreed
"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano
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1 gone
"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano
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What the heck was that??
Bob Davidson just took off his mask and started screaming at the Cubs dugout. Lou and Demp are laughing their asses off.
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May 27, 2008 6:11 PM CDT
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Was that Dempster
who pissed the ump off? The guys in the dugout were having fun with that.
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If Dempster
Could get kicked out on a night where he isn’t playing that would absolutely make my day.
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May 27, 2008 6:13 PM CDT
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Trammell?
Wasn’t it?
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Dempster should be the designated umpire pisser offer.
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Dempster has to yell at the ump
in his Harry Caray voice and scare the pants off the ump!
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
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May 27, 2008 6:24 PM CDT
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haha
"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano
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That would have
been an ejection then. ;-)
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The way the dugout was laughing...
...I would have thought it was santoswoodenlegs.
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I plead the fifth...
and I’m also innocent.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
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I really hate Bob Davidson
He is the shame of USA, huh?
I'm bleeding Dragons Blue.
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THAT'S IT!
Brenly just gave us Gallagher’s nickname. He said Gallagher was throwing 95, and Lou likes that, cause it’s “easy gas”.
Easy-Gas Gallagher.
2008: The year we put it all together.
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Question for Al
I heard all over the place that the Cubs were going to tell fans to not be harsh I guess by saying mean things to players and hopefully Al will talk about that and if it actually happened. If it does, I think they should stop.
Go Sean!
"I don't talk. I just let what I do talk for myself." -Johan Santana
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According to Trib
last night the Cubs personnel gave Left Field a talking to, commanding them not to harass Soriano or get ejected. They complied.
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they seemed pretty watchful in left-CF. The usher was keeping tabs on some of the louder ones all day long, and he would point at his eyes and then at the guy, which I thought was a little much.
A good way to antagonize drunk people. And he also made “zip-your-lip” motions at some of the fans leading cheers. Erring on the side of caution, I spose.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
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Looks really windy tonight
Hit Gallager’s finger?
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Ethier having a good AB...which makes me hate him and all his fouls. :-)
But Sean is throwing strikes. OH NO!!!!!! It hit him in the hand.
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Davidson seems to be laughing with Lou on the mound, at least.
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If you can read lips when it happened
Davidson said “shut the hell up!!”
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Oh, carappp!!!
I can’t see where his hand got hit, but it obviously got hurt.
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lets do it easy gas gallagher
"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano
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Rub some dirt on it, Easy Gas!!
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Sounds like we grew up together...
“son, there ain’t no bone sticking out….you’re ok”...
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If the blood's not spurtin', you're not hurtin'.
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May 27, 2008 6:19 PM CDT
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Well..
you look consciouses to me…get up and play son.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
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May 27, 2008 6:20 PM CDT
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God, now they DL folks for nothing, seems like....
So why isn’t Marquis on the 60 day DL? They could use PTSS…..
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I think the hand is bothering Sean. He's not throwing like he did before.
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got out of it tho
I think it was just numb. Hopefully Easy Gas will get it warmed up in the dugout for the next inning.
2008: The year we put it all together.
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I think you're right.
And by the way, I’ve never trusted “K-zone.”
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It's the exact same tech used on MLB Gameday.
It’s absolutely amazing stuff – their accuracy level is well beyond sufficient.
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Seriously?
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by Cubfansince1957 on
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Yeah, they buy it from Sportsvision.
It’s absolutely amazing stuff.
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Just checked.
They measure the location of a ball passing over the plate within an inch.
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Why Fontenot in the 2spot, rather than Onedec?
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why Fontenot
playing at all above AAA level?
It’s a mystery…
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I live in New Mexico.....
and there is nothing bizarre here….all explanations count, no mysteries allowed…....except for one….why Roswell????
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Here come the battle of old friend
eating same meal at Hiroshima dorm – they were both rookie at Carp
I'm bleeding Dragons Blue.
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not yet, but it soon shall happen
"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano
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Inexplicably
Fontenot steps into the batter’s box…
2008: The year we put it all together.
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and much more explicably
grounds out.
2008: The year we put it all together.
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Yeah...
...they decided to start in the 2nd inning tonight.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
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Already into the top of the second, no score. Four up, three down for LA, three up three down for us.
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by Cubfansince1957 on
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boy
they didn’t give Easy Gas much of a rest.
2008: The year we put it all together.
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that might be good though
so nothing tightens up
"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano
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Kuroda looks good
As consistent, always
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you are cheering for the Cubs
Right?
"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano
by SouthsideCUBSfan on
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for Dragons, not Carp
;-)
I'm bleeding Dragons Blue.
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nice
"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano
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but I used to a redisent of Torrance, CA....
forgot about it, that was many years ago….
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Lee has been swinging at the first pitch alot lately.
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I noticed that a lot during his slump.
Anyone notice if he did that coming out of his slump?
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8 pitches?
I guess we’re not taking our chances with the ump calling a bad strike zone.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
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If he's throwing strikes
it’s hard to hold off.
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Plus it is freaking cold!
"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."
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Kuroda
If Kuroda is on his game, you will see a lot of ground ball outs.
vr, Xeifrank
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Easy Gas?
If he opens a restaurant, he can compete with Cheli’s Chili.
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dragons......
are there good bars out there to watch Cubs games, with a good sized Cubs crowd
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There are lots of American sports bars in Okinawa
around Kadena Air Base gates…. never been those bars….
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looks like the couldn't sell
advertising on the sign behind home plate. Solid green.
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ESPN probably is showing something on it
that’s ESPN specific. Can’t be seen on CSN.
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That's so ESPN can put their own adds on it
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Close enough
Some ad for MLB something or other.
"Is there anything he can't do?" ~Len Kasper, 4/5/08, on Kosuke Fukudome
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So has ESPN started calling the game tonight...
or are they discussing the Yanks?
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Lot of fawning over
Joe Torre, but otherwise they’re following the game.
"Is there anything he can't do?" ~Len Kasper, 4/5/08, on Kosuke Fukudome
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May 27, 2008 6:35 PM CDT
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or...
...program reminder of the next Yankees-Red Sox series in August
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on
May 27, 2008 6:33 PM CDT
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or the Yankees All Star Game in July...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on
May 27, 2008 6:34 PM CDT
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Espn....
.....has Taco Bell on it
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on
May 27, 2008 6:31 PM CDT
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No commercials on ESPN
here in Japan….
I'm bleeding Dragons Blue.
by dragonsfanatic on
May 27, 2008 6:34 PM CDT
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Was Berman cursing out the help?
by TheRamZamDLEE on
May 27, 2008 6:35 PM CDT
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LOL
I hate Chris Berman. At least it’s not football. And with the wind we won’t have to hear that Backbackback crap.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on
May 27, 2008 6:37 PM CDT
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I'd rather look at Erin Andrews than Larry Bowa. I know, call me a spoilsport.
Go Cubs Go! Go Cubs Go! Hey Chicago, whadya say? The Cubs are going to win today!
by Cubfansince1957 on
May 27, 2008 6:31 PM CDT
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Yeah, you can see the ads on ESPN.
Lucky me.
Go Cubs Go! Go Cubs Go! Hey Chicago, whadya say? The Cubs are going to win today!
by Cubfansince1957 on
May 27, 2008 6:32 PM CDT
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nice work Sean!!!
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by DC Cubbie on
May 27, 2008 6:32 PM CDT
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I think he will do well this year...
I think he doesn’t miss the bus rides…
by crazymountain on
May 27, 2008 6:37 PM CDT
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good DP
although it looked like Fonty was gonna fall down. Glad he didn’t.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on
May 27, 2008 6:33 PM CDT
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huh
it looks like Dome has tightened up his stance some. He still holds bat way high, but his legs are closer together now.
or am I seeing things?
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on
May 27, 2008 6:39 PM CDT
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take a few pitches guys
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by DC Cubbie on
May 27, 2008 6:36 PM CDT
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Noooooo
jumping on familiar pitch…
I'm bleeding Dragons Blue.
by dragonsfanatic on
May 27, 2008 6:36 PM CDT
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I sure am glad we're so patient at the plate.
Two outs in the 2nd, and the LA pitcher has a pitch count of 10.
Go Cubs Go! Go Cubs Go! Hey Chicago, whadya say? The Cubs are going to win today!
by Cubfansince1957 on
May 27, 2008 6:36 PM CDT
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11 pitches, 5 outs
"Is there anything he can't do?" ~Len Kasper, 4/5/08, on Kosuke Fukudome
by JohnM on
May 27, 2008 6:36 PM CDT
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can we blame it on the 35 degree windchill?
But why is the team from SoCA being more disciplined tonightt???
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on
May 27, 2008 6:37 PM CDT
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They being the Dodgers?
BTW it is 66 degrees in the land of OJ tonight, but we do have to battle a 10 mph wind off the ocean tonight. :-)
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on
May 27, 2008 6:40 PM CDT
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Rick Sutcliffe: "He looks great!"
Someone’s not watching the team…
by grifdog on
May 27, 2008 6:37 PM CDT
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Edmonds
consistently behind on his swing.
Sometimes you just gotta say “ok, I’m done.” Man.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on
May 27, 2008 6:38 PM CDT
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