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My trade proposal for LH power

As has been discussed to death, there are few power-hitting outfielders available, even if the Cubs were looking to move Kosuke to centerfield. 

I propose something different: a power-hitting second-baseman.

Rich Hill and Matt Murton for Kelly Johnson and Royce Ring. 

Atlanta is playing well, but has a need at starting pitcher.  They are loaded with LH power, with Jones, Teixiera, and McCann. Even Kotsay and Gregor Blanco are adding OBA from the left side.  One of their prime prospects is Brent Lillibridge, currently a SS.  They have an assortment of other potential 2Bmen: Ruben Gotay, Martin Prado, Omar Infante.  Matt Diaz, their RH-hitting LFer, is struggling with a below-.600 OPS. 

The Cubs could bat Johnson in the lower part of the order, with Fukudome moving up to the #2 spot.  Kelly has had some minor injury problems, but DeRosa could play against lefties or fill in as needed.  Now DeRosa has hit very well this year, but could see more regular time in RF, or just be the top bench guy. 

I'm interested in your analysis. 

 UPDATE:  Thanks for all the discussion.  By the way, Matt Diaz went on the DL after being injured last night.  The Braves might have some interest in Murton in a minor deal. 

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I hardly think Kelly Johnson is a power hitter

And we have enough middle infielders as it is….its too bad the Cubs couldntve put together something for Josh Hamilton, hed be perfect, of course I doubt the Reds wouldve traded him intra-divisionally, if thats a word.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on May 27, 2008 9:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Didn't we take Hamilton

in the Rule 5 and give him to the Reds? Too bad we didn’t have the foresight to keep him.

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by HectorVillanueva on May 27, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Been discussed

We had some kind of agreement with the Reds to take him for them. I don’t recall the details, or what we got in return.

by aldimond on May 27, 2008 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We got the Reds to take Dusty and Corey in return

it just took longer than we thought to hammer out all the details before the deal could be completed…

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by ballhawk on May 27, 2008 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

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by Bump Bailey on May 27, 2008 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, the internets just ate a bunch of stats I tried to post

The point is, if you look at Johnson’s stats, he is very likely to peak over the next three years, ages 27-29 with about a .480-.500 SLG. He is there now against righties. He got a lot of doubles and triples to go with his 16 HR last year. He could surpass 20 HR this season. Actually, few outfielders in the league hit lefty with that kind of power.

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by zambranofan on May 27, 2008 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mark DeRosa

is our second baseman. He’s having a career year, and he’s one of the top hitters on the team, no matter what number he hits in the lineup.

Benching him or putting him in Right-Field all the time is a BIG MISTAKE.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 27, 2008 9:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ur right

2B is not an issue. Plus…......it takes more than our s&&^% to get a good player. Hill does not fill another clubs need for starting pitching….....we have a need and he can’t even stay on our MLB roster. Murton is at best a 4th OF

by plenz on May 27, 2008 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's quite a low evaluation of Hill

He’s going through a tough patch, apparently related to some back stiffness. But he’s still a LH strikeout pitcher with a few years until free agency.

If the Braves feel as you do, would you send them Gallagher for Johnson?

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by zambranofan on May 27, 2008 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no

Gallagher is a potential #2 pitcher. I want him in our rotation.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 27, 2008 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

IMHO… Until we know if Gllagher can develop his 2nd and 3rd pitches… I think it’s premature to say he is a future #2

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by digitalbenjamin on May 28, 2008 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he pitched very well yesterday.

in terrible conditions.

We need to keep him.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those were great conditions for a pitcher.

"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."

by californiachicagoan on May 28, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

getting hit on the hand

is NOT a great condition. I understand the concepts of batting in the cold being awful, and the wind blowing in keeping fly balls in the park.

But it was cold, uncomfortable, and he kept it under control.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The conditions...

...were actually very pitcher friendly. Trust me, it’s no fun trying to hit when it is in the 40’s and the wind is howling in. I would not get overly excited about any pitchers outing in those conditions, because mistakes can be hidden easily.

I like the kid a lot, but let’s see how he does in more hitter friendly conditions.

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by MPH73 on May 28, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Short memories

Last year, Hill was very good, and now he is trash not worth anyone trading for? Really? And now Gallagher is a potential #2 after a handful of starts, and an ERA and K rate that is worse than Rich Hill’s numbers THIS YEAR? Let’s not go overboard. Two months from now Rich Hill could very well be back in the bigs kicking butt and Gallagher could be back in the minors after flaming out. Or Gallagher could have developed into a decent arm, and Hill could still be getting his head straight in the minors. But I would not value one so far over the other at this point.

"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."

by californiachicagoan on May 28, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'd love to see

Hill and Gallagher both in the rotation.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I agree with you

But if the Cubs insist on acquiring another LH hitter, I think Johnson is a good option. The new guy would have to hit somewhere, and there are no outfield candidates.

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by zambranofan on May 27, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

interesting idea....

i dont like it though because i dont want to regulate DeRosa to pinch hitting duty..

I like something new..

I wonder what it would take to get Milton Bradley…..

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by fischisgod on May 27, 2008 10:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I dunno... maybe a lobotomy?

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by ballhawk on May 27, 2008 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

now thats a good idea

Rangers always need pitching. Maybe they take Rich Hill plus another young pitcher? I don’t know where else they need help and is Bradley going to be available?

by plenz on May 27, 2008 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My guess

Ronny Cedeno and Sean Marshall. The Rangers could move Young to 3B, because Blalock is apparently going to play first when he returns from injury.

I wouldn’t do it, myself.

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by zambranofan on May 27, 2008 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

does he promise to not

rupture a tendon having a slap-fest with the ump?

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 27, 2008 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Hill is more valuable than Kelly Johnson,

and I think Lou is looking for more power. I like going after Johnson and putting him back at SS, but I don’t think that’s the direction the Cubs are going now.

Here’s a list of players I think might be available if we offered enough, although some of them probably are not available. You never know who for sure. Of course, if you put Rich Hill on the table, there’s a lot that could become available. Here are some of my criteria:
– they can’t be limited in position to 1B, 3B, or C;
– they really need to be closer to veterans than to rookies;
– you have either to expect a SLG over .450 or have seen one in a recent season.

Chad Tracy (AZ)
Milton Bradley (TEX)
Ken Griffey Jr. (CIN)
Adam Dunn (CIN)
Brad Hawpe (COL) inj
Hideki Matsui (NYY)
Luke Scott (BAL)
Andre Ethier (LAD)
Raul Ibanez (SEA)
Mark Teahen (KC)
Wilson Betemit (NYY)

Then, there’s the dream list of players who almost certainly are not available, but if they were would fit very nicely:
Carlos Beltran (NYM)
Jeremy Hermida (FL)

by DGU on May 27, 2008 10:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

as far as your list goes.

yes to the following
Bradley
Tracy (might not take much)
Dunn
Hawpe
Ethier
Matsui
Hermida

No to
the rest

but good job researching!!!

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by fischisgod on May 27, 2008 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As for as how I look at that list

I don’t get very excited about any of the names beyond Hermida. Bradley and Dunn are both interesting. Tracy has some upside but worries me that he’d become disappointing away from AZ and/or that he’d get injured. Honestly, given the cost of the players here and their relative downsides, most of the options are not that pleasant.

by DGU on May 27, 2008 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice list

Do you see the Yankees being more apt to deal Matsui than Abreu this season?

Looking at stats, Teahen has really fallen off the last couple of year, hasn’t he?

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by zambranofan on May 27, 2008 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The rumors from the Yankees are that they have been willing to trade Matsui or Damon.

The rumors could be totally wrong and Abreu could be available or none of them could be available.

Teahen has only had one good half-season and I really don’t think he’s the kind of guy the Cubs would go for at this point. On the other hand, he was rumored preseason to be a backup plan in case Fukudome did not come through, and one trade rumor had the price being as low as Murton and change. I wouldn’t role the dice on Teahen unless my scouts and coaches were looking at him and certain they could get his power back.

by DGU on May 27, 2008 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can we afford them?

...probably not.

I’m sure we’re probably looking to sign Brady Anderson or Kenny Lofton.

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by IowaCubs- on May 28, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, I went through all the RF and CFers the other day, trying to see who was out there

my criteria included if it was RF, had to be someone in last year of contract. I feel pretty confident Dome would move to center for the rest of this season if Lou asked him, but I wouldn’t want it to be a permanent move, though I would love to see Hawpe here.

I think Ethier can play center, so I’d at least see what the Dodgers wanted. Although unless Hendry is willing to give up the good stuff, he’s only get “Ethier? I thought you said Pierre” response out of Coletti. For that matter, I’d love Kemp too, even if he is right-handed.

I think Matsui (or Abreu) would be very easy to take – Cashman might not make a panic deal on his own, but with Hank Jr. looming large, it probably wouldn’t take much. Maybe a live bullpen arm or two once Joba goes into rotation. I would hope though that Hendry has our scouts do some serious serious fact checking on either of these guys first though.

And if Lou can convince Hendry that “defense be damned – I want my LH slugger” is the way to go, Dunn fits the bill exactly. Biggest obstacle there obviously would be Cincy dealing within division.

Don’t know much about Tracy so can’t judge that one. Everyone else – I don’t want and I don’t think it’s gonna happen. We’d only offer up our marginal or failed prospects; other teams would want more, and Hendry would [wisely] say no dice.

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by ballhawk on May 27, 2008 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you're right about Ethier's nonavailability.

No way even Ned Coletti trades him away right now.

Other than that – I just pray every single night that Ken Griffey Jr. is not a Cub when I wake up the next morning.

by cwyers on May 27, 2008 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not with Jones out for the next month or two, but...

when Jones comes back, might Mark DeRosa be more valuable to Ned than Ethier?

by DGU on May 27, 2008 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Dodgers have DeWitt and LaRoche at third, so they're stacked there currently.

And I don’t see them trying to upgrade from Jeff Kent just yet. Meanwhile Ethier isn’t even a Super 2 yet, and there’s no way they trade a stud like him for a year and a half of a guy like DeRosa.

by cwyers on May 27, 2008 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've always thought Ethier was a little overrated -

- a better defensively, left-handed Matt Murton, which is not nothing, but not a “stud” either. I guess he is still just 26, but anyway, the point is to see things as Ned seems to see things, and he doesn’t act like he “has LaRoche” anywhere other than his trade chip pile. And you figure DeWitt is going to be exposed at this level this year, not that he doesn’t have a future ahead of him eventually. Meanwhile, Kent’s finally looking his age, and Pierre should at least be platooned – so DeRosa would give the Dodgers a lot of options – at 2B, 3B, and LF.

If I ran the Dodgers, there’d be no call for DeRosa – LaRoche would be at 3B and both Ethier and Kemp would play ahead of Pierre. But Ned runs the Dodgers (or at least some of the time he does) and he signed Juan and Juan’s learned to walk a little and he’s not giving LaRoche a shot, sooooo… I still wonder.

by DGU on May 27, 2008 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LaRoche is on the DL currently.

He played when he was healthy, and they’re going to have to find room for him somewhere when he comes back; if DeWitt is still raking, maybe you commit to the most expensive bench in the majors and see if one of them can handle left field.

by cwyers on May 27, 2008 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's back on the DL again?

LaRoche played Monday night. Oh well. I still think Ned’s going to stick with Juan now that Juan’s got his OBP up. It’s easier to sink the cost of dollars than of pride.

by DGU on May 27, 2008 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Laroche hasn't been on the DL for a while

hitting .268/.481 (!!)/.451 for the Vegas 51s. could be called up pretty soon

by PrincetonCubs on May 27, 2008 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I checked tonight's box score

He was playing 1B and was a significant part of a 23 Run blitz against poor Tucson.

by DGU on May 27, 2008 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I'm sure Jocketty would send us Dunn if we paid the price

It’s more likely that Hendry won’t want Gallagher/Hill/Marshall pitching in Cinci for the next few years.

As for Tracy, until the Byrnes injury, I thought he was the most likely to become our new RF. He’s shown doubles power, but also a fairly sizable home/away split. He’s more of a 1B/3B, but played a decent RF in the past. There’s definite risk with him.

by DGU on May 27, 2008 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My trade proposal

Release: Edmonds, Jim
Recall: Pie, Felix.

by DrunkenSuperman on May 27, 2008 10:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

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by Bump Bailey on May 27, 2008 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+2

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by Al on May 28, 2008 4:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+3

I’m understanding the current situation less and less with every weak outfield fly ball from Edmonds. – TL

by timlacy on May 28, 2008 6:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, that would be a great trade...

I think Edmonds needs more AAA time to work on his swing. Pie’s Cub statistics at the plate are better than Edmonds’ anyway….

by crazymountain on May 28, 2008 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

I bumped on the fence behind Al last night to tell him to put a star in his scorebook when Edmonds was up in the 6th I believe. I told him I would put anyone up there to hit besides Edmonds. Dont we all know its painfully obivous WHEN, the Cubs break out with a great inning in the 7th with two 2 outs hits and take the lead—-Edmonds makes the last out and instead of a big roar from the crowd for the great inning there were boos. Edmonds < Pie.

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by Hammer on May 28, 2008 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

=6

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by digitalbenjamin on May 28, 2008 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

C'mon, be serious...

...you’d have to give up the Cubs farm system to get a guy like that from the Cubs farm system.

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Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 28, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Any trade opportunities...

...really won’t present themselves until July. Until then, it will be a combination of Reed Johnson, Edmonds and maybe Pie in CF.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on May 27, 2008 10:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not necessarily

The D’backs were looking to move Tracy sooner rather than later; that may have changed, now, with Byrnes out, maybe not. The Indians are publicly trying to get the trade market going. They don’t have anything we want, but if they and other teams are trying to start the market up, I think Lou is also impatient to get his lefty bat, and something could happen. Probably, you are right, but not necessarily.

by DGU on May 27, 2008 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Bradley or DUnn the most

me personally

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by fischisgod on May 28, 2008 12:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Tejas will NOT get rid of Bradley...

Dunn is a left fielder…..we are fine save for Marquis, lots of talent, but a headcase….

by crazymountain on May 28, 2008 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

guys the solution is obvious...

make derrek lee bat left handed!! duh! haha jk.

We have scored the most runs in the league. We don’t need a left handed bat.

by WUSTLCubsFan on May 28, 2008 1:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fukudome

once it heats up he will hit 15 homers I’m convinced when its all said and done… power includes his ability to hit doubles which he does fine

by Steves Stoners on May 28, 2008 1:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

LSA

Lou seems to have an obsession with a HR hitter being a lefthander, not recognizing that Fukudome could hit 40+ doubles this year.

Edmonds couldn’t hit 40 doubles if you gave him 40 more years. He is D-O-N-E.

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by Al on May 28, 2008 4:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ditto.

Even if he hit a gapper, his legs will only take him to first. – TL

by timlacy on May 28, 2008 6:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why does everyone what to mess it hte team

the Cubs are going fine why go and fix something that is not broken

by brownbuddha on May 28, 2008 5:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

For my part, I do not want to mess with the team.

I think the options we have on the 40-man roster are better than we will find by trade. Jim Hendry has done his job very well. It’s a shame Lou does not agree.

by DGU on May 28, 2008 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think most of the saner, calmer minds on BCB do not want to mess with the team, at least not the offense.

But it’s pretty clear that Lou wants a LH power bat, so I think we’re all just putting on our own little Lou/Jim hats and opining about what we would do in their shoes.

Sooner or later, Lou/Jim will do something. In the meantime, if a thousand BCB users keep pounding on their keyboards and submitting posts, it stands to reason that one of them will end up resembling what actually happens, thus giving that lucky BCB user bragging rights for the rest of the season.

Pray that it’s not Blue MIke….

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by ballhawk on May 28, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mark DeRosa is our 2nd baseman

Happens also to be the most underrated member of the roster. It’s getting tiring to read constant replacement strategies for a guy who will hit near .300, chip in with one of the best on-base %’s on the team and provide good defense. And unselfish versatility.

This trade proposal has no legs. No way the cost conscious and semi-rebuilding Atlanta Braves trade away Kelly Johnson.

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by MDBNIU on May 28, 2008 6:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's not that we don't value DeRosa -

rather, it’s clear that Lou, a WS-ring-wearing-genuis-ML-manager-whose-authority-and-judgment-are-not-to-be-questioned doesn’t value DeRosa all that much and wants to jimmy a LH power bat into the lineup either in the OF or at 2B. Why DeRosa is behind Theriot on Lou’s depth chart no one knows, but his judgment is… well, his judgment. You’ve trusted it before, why not now?

Here’s my trade proposal – Lou and Theriot to the Mets for Jose Reyes. They get their sparkplug and a manager. We get a real SS and a CF.

by DGU on May 28, 2008 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

where do you see

DeRosa behind Theriot on the depth chart? Because he pinched Riot instead of Mark last night?

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Player usage

Theriot plays nearly every day and when he comes into the game, he always takes over SS. DeRosa is not treated the same way, as if he IS the team’s 2B and anyone playing there is just keeping the position warm. DeRosa is often double-switched out even though doing so limits Lou’s later tactical options. DeRosa bats 8th despite outhitting Theriot in every category.

by DGU on May 28, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hm.

Well, ok. I’m not sure I read it the same.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No to Milton Bradley

Just recall Pie, the guy has been devasted being sent down, at least according to the article in the Chicago papers. they are jacking with his swing, stance and probably what socks to wear.
Bring Pie up, play him agaisnt every righthander, and go from there.

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by Grockcubs on May 28, 2008 7:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Here's hoping that Felix

has the confidence to know he can still get out of bed correctly…...

by crazymountain on May 28, 2008 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good grief

They are (ahem) “jacking” with his swing because it is there professional assessment that his swing does not work at this level. They are “jacking” with his swing in hopes of reclaiming a major league future for Felix Pie. He should be very thankful the extreme patience and intensive investment this organization continues to make in him.

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by MDBNIU on May 28, 2008 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So your solution is Edmonds?

Do you know ANYTHING about baseball, MDBNIU? From what I can tell, you would DFA Soriano, keep Edmonds and trade ANYONE who doesn’t produce every day…..The rest of my comments are (self) censored…..

by crazymountain on May 28, 2008 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

here is a fanpost I added yesterday about how Pie’s AAA demotion is taking a toll on him… an interesting read.

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by digitalbenjamin on May 28, 2008 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, that is a good article.

It seems rare that players discuss the emotional toll of being sent down so openly. (By the way, you actually posted that as a FanSHOT, not a Fanpost.)

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 28, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

gah.

Amazing. We are destroying our home-grown future all-star centerfielder. Wonderful.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DeRo

DeRosa’s hitting .315 with an OBP over .400. Stop trying to find a replacement for him, people. It’s such a stupid idea.

by kanderber on May 28, 2008 7:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

Plus, why would the Braves trade Kelly Johnson and replace him with Omar Infante? That’d be really stupid.

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by Al on May 28, 2008 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um, because then they would have Rich Hill in the rotation?

You have to give something to get something.

The Braves could go with some combination of Prado, Gotay, Infante, and Lillibridge at second, or they could make another move to get a stopgap second baseman.

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by zambranofan on May 28, 2008 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure they'd view Rich Hill as help right now.

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by Al on May 28, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And DeRo is our best athlete and our MVP the last two years....

his versatility is irreplaceable….wait!! we can get Perez back…...

by crazymountain on May 28, 2008 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No to Matsui

I would be surprised if the Yankees parted with Hideki Matsui. The marketing revenue that he brings from Japan is worth too much.

by BartlettBob on May 28, 2008 8:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I could see them dealing Bobby Abreu, though.

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by Al on May 28, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can Abreu play centerfield?

Or would they have to shift Dome to center?

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 28, 2008 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In that scenario...

... Dome would have to move to CF.

Abreu still draws walks and hits for average, but doesn’t really hit HR any more. He had only 16 last year, 7 so far this year. He is, IIRC, on the final year of a deal that pays him $16 million this year.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 28, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we wanted a player that looked like Abreu

it would be easier to get Brian Giles, but there’s still not enough power in either of those bats to sate Lou’s LeftyLust.

by DGU on May 28, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's more in those bats than there is in any bat Jim Edmonds picks up.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 28, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but there was a chance that Edmonds might have power

and Edmonds was free. If Giles was free, I’m sure we’d take him.

by DGU on May 28, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Babe Ruth is free.

Oh, wait, he’s dead. He can still probably hit better than Edmonds.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 28, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I know you think Edmonds is D-O-N-E and Pie should come back, but Pie’s not coming back. Lou won that battle. W-O-N. I guess you can take some solace in the fact that we passed on Ben Broussard.

by DGU on May 28, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pie's not coming back?

Ever? Who said?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 28, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DGU

has come to the conclusion that Lou has completely given up on Pie for good.

I keep hoping he’s wrong.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't say "for good."

I say “for 2008.” I think Lou would love to win the WS this year and give Pie a shot next year.

by DGU on May 28, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lou's actions have said this.

Why would Lou give Pie another shot when the first “shot” lasted 4 days? I think Pie could get another shot in 2009, but Lou wants LH power now and does not see Pie providing that in 2008.

Let’s say Pie does come back up. Where is Lou going to put his LH-SOCK? Chase Utley’s not available. There are no LH-power-hitting SSs. It has to be an OF. Unless Jim Hendry has some trade up his sleeve where we give Alfonso Soriano for a LH OF, it’s only Pie’s position that is open to fill with the LH-SOCK.

I suppose there’s a chance less than 5% than Pie gets called up to play 25% of the time (as he was doing prior to the Edmonds’ signing) and in his limited ABs, he hits a HR every day. Then, Pie may get to play regularly. But we know Pie’s not getting a chance to play everyday v. RHP because he ALREADY didn’t get that chance.

by DGU on May 28, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Edmonds might have power

but it just isn’t by swinging a bat. No bat speed = no power. His bouncers to the infield sometimes get above a fielders head though. I’m thinking that when he hits, we can move the left field foul line to end at the homeplate side of the dugout. Then ol’ Jim would have great opposite field power…...

by crazymountain on May 28, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, yeah, yeah

It’s looking more and more clear that Edmonds is F-I-N-I-S-H-E-D and A-L-W-A-Y-S W-A-S. But there was a chance that PETCO was holding him back and we took that chance. We may still be taking that chance for a little while longer, according to this, but I don’t believe Lou when he says, “I don’t have time limits.”

by DGU on May 28, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't believe Lou when he says that either...

however the spaciousness of Petco should raise averages just because of the sheer space involved, the gaps, the position of the OF’s. Just the way that Colorado has a great hitters park, the Padres SHOULD too. There are a lot of hits out there that would be outs in Wrigley. So, power aside, Edmonds was hitting less than his weight in Petco…

by crazymountain on May 28, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bobby Abreu makes $16 million and will demand a 4 yr contract next winter

Look, we don’t need a star player to add to the outfield. All we need is to add another decent complementary ballplayer. Giving up the moon to rent Abreu for a few months? No. Plus when in the history of mankind have the Yankees ever been sellers of high priced veteran talent? Answer is never. They want Abreu this year and beyond.

"It is never too early to start beefing up your obituary."

by MDBNIU on May 28, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still don't understand this

Are offense is great. We need defense in center to cover extra ground for Soriano. Which was Pie. We might have four players with 30 plus homers, and three 100 r.b.i. guys. Why do we need more power. A centerfielder with a good ops to me and good defense would be g reat.

by nks6911 on May 28, 2008 10:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree

Why are we even discussing modifications to the offense? Aren’t they leading the majors in runs scored?

If you want to make a trade, get us some starting pitching that can be relied on in the post season.

by Kornchex on May 28, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just bring Felix back.

Problem solved. We are winning in spite of Edmonds, Felix is a positive.We do not need to make any trades..

by crazymountain on May 28, 2008 10:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 28, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand the Felix Pie

love and I would love for him to be the Cubs everyday center fielder . He is only 23 years old and right now he is over matched at the plate and he can’t develop playing only once a week. If the Cubs thought that he reached his talent ceiling he would be up here playing but obviously they would like for him to be a great player for years to come and not turn into Corey Patterson.

They are built to win now and bringing him up before he is ready will only stunt his growth and be of no help to the Cubs. I agree it appears Edmonds is done but he can still play a good center field and platoon with Johnson until a trade can be made which would upgrade the position. If the Cubs offense is as good as people believe then they should be able to score runs without relying on Johnson or Edmonds.

by cubdreamer on May 28, 2008 11:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The idea that Edmonds can still play a good center field is the great stinking lie...

...that excuses this whole mess. Edmonds no longer has the range to play an above-average center field. Calling him average is more an act of charity than it is supported by the facts.

The fact of the matter is, a player providing average defense and providing a .285 OPS when always hitting with the platoon advantage is the most absolutly worthless player in baseball. Hands down. You will not find a player in baseball doing more to hurt their team right now than Jim Edmonds. Brian Bixler? Better than Edmonds. Barry Zito? Better than Edmonds.

Edmonds is costing this team runs whenever he plays center field instead of:

Felix Pie
Reed Johnson
Mike Freaking Fontenot
Alan Trammel
Matt Sinatro
Devin Hester
Brian Urlacher
Lovie Smith
Joahkim Noah
JUST ABOUT ANYBODY

Felix Pie can help the Cubs simply by not being Jim Edmonds.

by cwyers on May 28, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well stated regarding Pie

Clearly the organization has faith in him. Otherwise they would have taken the selfish route and kept him up here to play a couple days a week and otherwise provide very good defense. Pie should realize that unless he restructures his hitting approach then he has no major league future. He needs to stop sulking, get to work and come to the realization that the organization is being very generous to him.

"It is never too early to start beefing up your obituary."

by MDBNIU on May 28, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sulking.

you think he’s sulking.

You are a small, little man who has no concept of the game and what motivates people to play it.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You are much more charitable than I, drew, when talking about MDBNIU....

besides the fact that Pie is one of the hardest working and most agreeable kids we have, I think MDBNIU has a great eye for things Pie…..(<) (/) sarcasm (>)

by crazymountain on May 28, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to another edition of 'Coffee Talk' with your host drewishdrewid

"It is never too early to start beefing up your obituary."

by MDBNIU on May 28, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

mdbniu, you ARE.....nah, I'm gonna be nice....

so I will just say you are a spiteful, LITTLE boy…..

by crazymountain on May 28, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Better than then being the star of

Everyone Hates BlueMike.

You do not GET baseball. Ironically, you holler the most at the stat-heads, and then you completely ignore the intangibles of the game when you promote someone like Edmonds over Pie. You are consistently wrong about, well, everything, and yet you’re so freaking tone-deaf that when you hear people’s responses to you, it’s like their low-flying duck-geese, taking bird craps on your head. Why do they do that? Oh, they’re just duck-geese, you reason, they have no concept of what it’s like to be me.

Please, promise me this—you will NEVER coach Little League. Please.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here in New Mexico, we are expecting thunderstorms, mdbniu...

that means the likleyhood of centipedes coming in the house. Maybe I will catch one for you so you can have someone on your intellectual level to discuss baseball with….

by crazymountain on May 28, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In what game did Edmonds cost

the Cubs Runs? He has helped save runs runs rather than allow runs.

by cubdreamer on May 28, 2008 11:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

he didn't produce

ANY.

Does he have any RBIs? I can barely remember when he’s gotten on BASE.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You really don't think having your #6 hitter...

...unable to hit three-fifths of your starting rotation costs the team runs? Really? Because that’s the whole point of having good hitters, to score more runs.

Because of his lack of range, he simply cannot get to as many balls as Pie or even Johnson. So he’s not making as many plays as they would, and thus is costing the team runs on defense as well.

by cwyers on May 28, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stop worrying about Edmonds

He hasnt’ helped this club, but he hasn’t hurt it too much either. He’ll be gone within a matter of days.

"It is never too early to start beefing up your obituary."

by MDBNIU on May 28, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's hurt it as much as he possibly could given his playing time.

Do the words “second-worst hitter in all of baseball” not mean ANYTHING to you? (Corky Miller at least has the decency to be a catcher.) What on earth would you describe as hurting the ballclub? Being the worst hitter in baseball AND poisioning the clubhouse buffet? What?

by cwyers on May 28, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't yell at him too much.

he’ll go sulk.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Jay

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 28, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He hasnt hurt the team?

Really? You mean 16 LOB in 24 ATBATS isnt hurting the team? He is hurting the team---PERIOD

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 28, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Besides the fact that he stopped the development of a genuine CF

and he has killed every rally he has participated in, he hasn’t hurt us at all…..

by crazymountain on May 28, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Edmonds didn't stop the development of Pie;

Lou did. Lou wanted Pie sent down to AAA for a 13th pitcher. When Hendry didn’t do that, Lou stopped playing Pie. Edmonds had nothing to do with Pie’s development.

by DGU on May 28, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Felix wasn't playing anyway.

At least at AAA he plays everyday. But Felix was getting 25% of the playing time and that was decreasing when Edmonds was signed. I think the Edmonds signing is when everyone finally realized “Oh, Lou’s given up on Pie,” and so they connect the two in their minds. But when Edmonds was signed, Muskat wrote something along these lines, “The only loser in signing Edmonds is Reed Johnson who had become the everday CF.”

by DGU on May 28, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Edmonds and Pie are unconnected subjects

Edmonds was signed because the Cubs believe that Pie needs to restructure his swing and the best place to do that is the minors. If Pie was able to change overnight and the organization was impressed with his new approach then they would jettison Jim Edmonds so fast your head would spin. Edmonds isn’t blocking Pie in any sense. Neither will the “Plan B” solution that winds up replacing the failed Jim Edmonds experiment.

"It is never too early to start beefing up your obituary."

by MDBNIU on May 28, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

From Als keyboard to mine

YAWN

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 28, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ummm, mdbniu?

I think the “hitting” Edmonds was doing with the Padres showed that HE needed to restructure HIS swing. So, the difference is? I’ll help you with the answer…..OBVIOUS

by crazymountain on May 28, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree in part.

I agree that Edmonds and Pie are unconnected subjects. I disagree that Pie will come back up and receive anything more than spot starts in 2008.

by DGU on May 28, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When Dome

Made his running catch in right center last night, Edmonds wasn’t even in the frame….

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on May 28, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't think 3 for 24 hurts?

How about this Cubs loss to the Astros?

Top of the 7th, Cubs Batting, Behind 2-4, Chris Sampson facing 6-7-8
G Soto Single to LF (Ground Ball thru Weak 3B)
J Edmonds Ground Ball Double Play: 2B-SS-1B
M DeRosa Single to LF (Fly Ball to Deep LF)
M Hoffpauir Walk; DeRosa to 2B
A Soriano Strikeout Swinging

Edmonds is terrible. It wasn’t a bad gamble but he needs to go now. He’s done. It’s not like there is any hope he will improve. He’s supposedly healthy but his bat is too slow. He has zero power. He either hits a weak flyball to the opposite field or weakly grounds out (usually to 2nd base).

I’d rather see Corey Patterson at this point in CF over Edmonds. Will Dusty release him?

by rlpete on May 28, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Low risk flyer that didn't work....so what

Seriously, how has the presence of Jim Edmonds (who will be gone very, very soon) hurt this ballclub? It hasn’t hurt it at all. Cubs don’t need a star in CF. What they need is a good complementary player in the mold of Reed Johnson. Edmonds can’t hit AT ALL, so now the Cubs move onto Plan B. No harm, no foul. Meanwhile Felix Pie has the opportunity to restructure his hititng approach in the minors in hopes of one day salvaging a major league future. It’s all good if you ask me.

"It is never too early to start beefing up your obituary."

by MDBNIU on May 28, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ummmm.....we were all SERIOUS, mdbniu

what made you think we weren’t? Just a joke, I reckon…..eh, bud?

by crazymountain on May 28, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And it's not a "flyer" because...

... he is still here!

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 28, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

so WHAT?

You’ll go off on Alfonso Soriano for dropping a ball because he loses it in the sun, but you blow off what is OBVIOUSLY performance poor enough to lose the game - ARAM gets a gapper there, so does Lee, so DID DEROSA - because of… what? “The Catch”? “Post-season experience”?

This is exactly what I’m talking about above. YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND BASEBALL.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well I guess Aram, Lee and Derosa are all

hitting a .1000 because according to you they were a lock to get a hit in that situation. You might want to go back for 2 games they lost against Houston to see how many guys Derosa, Lee and Ramirez left on base as well.

In regards to Soriano he actually misplayed 2 balls on Sunday’s loss to Pittsburgh. The 2 run homerun that Rivas hit in 1st inning should have been caught but Soriano is afraid of walls. Can you also check in that series how many times Reed Johson struck out and how many Men he left on base as well.

by cubdreamer on May 28, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that wall hitting home-run

was a total fluke. Come on.

I can put numbers up against numbers. Can you imagine if Ramirez and Edmonds had been switched last night? We would have lost.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would have been tied going into 8th inning

then who knows what happens. But if Edmonds had been switched with Soriano on Sunday the Cubs would have won 2-1. So what does that prove. Nothing! The only Fluke about the wall hitting Homerun was that any other left fielder makes the catch and it is not a homerun.

by cubdreamer on May 28, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But Soriano has helped them win games

If you can’t see the difference between Soriano and Edmonds, I’m sorry.

Hmm, this id was just recently. Is cubdreamer BlueMike v3? I’m calling it now.

by rlpete on May 28, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess you didn't read what I wrote

because I was responding to if Ramirez and Edmonds had been switched. Yes, I can see the difference between Soriano and Edmonds. Soriano can hit and Edmonds can no longer hit.

I have been around for awhile, I just don’t always repond to posts. I could not care less what you call me why should it matter? Who are you to pass judgment?

by cubdreamer on May 28, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

HE IS RLPETE

Kidding,just messing :)

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 28, 2008 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Been here awhile?

11 days? Several posts against Soriano, several supporting Edmonds, a couple saying Pie isn’t the answer. Sounds familiar.

I’m just saying…....

by rlpete on May 28, 2008 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quite a bit more than 11 days!

So you think Soriano is more than just a DH? So by saying Edmonds can still play defense but can’t hit makes me a supporter when right now they don’t have any other CF options? What Hoffpauir? Daryle Ward? By saying that Pie needs to work on his game by playing everyday and working on his swing in AAA rather than rotting on the bench because Pinella won’t play him everyday. It might sound familiar because more than one person may have the same opinion.

I didn’t realize your opinion was the only one that mattered. I’m just saying…...

by cubdreamer on May 28, 2008 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can you guarantee that

Pie or Johnson would done something different if they were at the plate?

by cubdreamer on May 28, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously no

but with your BlueMike type logic unless Edmonds actually drops a ball that lets a run, he isn’t costing the Cubs anything.

I can’t say that Pie or Johnson would have done anything better but the odds are better that they might actually hit the ball harder are better. Give me Corey Patterson over Edmonds.

I like Piniella a lot. I’m not even moaning about Pie being sent out because I’m still not sure about him. However I have no idea why Jim Edmonds is still with the Cubs. His bat is gone.

by rlpete on May 28, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pie, Patterson (either)....

Where’s Nook Logan? It’s not hard finding options to Jim Edmonds.

by rlpete on May 28, 2008 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

they have a very good Centerfielder

in AAA right freakin’ now.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And 16 LOBS

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 28, 2008 12:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

KENNY LOFTON

He’s not a “power” bat, but he provides good OBP. There’s decent speed left in those 41 year old legs. Lead him off, move Soriano to the 5, Fukudome to the 2 and you have yourself a World Series championship!

Of course, this could also be Edmonds-stupid.

Help me Obi-ONEDEC. You're our only hope.

by IowaCubs- on May 28, 2008 1:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Lofton is a selfish player....

just a mercenary with no loyalty to anyone but Kenny Lofton

by crazymountain on May 28, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Lofton was available for a reasonable contract,

he’d be playing baseball by now. He must be holding out for something that’s not ever going to be offered. Why, for example, hasn’t Cleveland re-signed him? He must be asking for the moon.

by DGU on May 28, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't be worse than...

...trading for a severely overvalued contract such as Damon’s or a big money one such as Dunn’s or Griffey’s, all three of which would lose a type-A draft pick.

Help me Obi-ONEDEC. You're our only hope.

by IowaCubs- on May 28, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not that Lofton's a bad idea necessarily.

It’s that the fact that he’s not playing right now says that ML teams know something about Lofton that we don’t know. Either he’s failing physicals or he’s asking for way too many guaranteed years/dollars or something.

I do think Lofton’s range is insufficient to play CF, but that’s beside the point. There are teams that would have hired him already to play LF if he was really a real option.

by DGU on May 28, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is an excellent point... well spoken.

It all comes full circle to Pie. Looks like he’s probably the cheapest and best option for us unless we’re willing to rush Colvin.

Help me Obi-ONEDEC. You're our only hope.

by IowaCubs- on May 28, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's older than Moses

"It is never too early to start beefing up your obituary."

by MDBNIU on May 28, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

With an OPS+ of 105 last year.

Help me Obi-ONEDEC. You're our only hope.

by IowaCubs- on May 28, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

because Lofton has so many rings. SARCASM…..!!!!!!!!

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 28, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes... May I speak with Jay M. please?

(insert sarcasm with whipped cream on top here)

Help me Obi-ONEDEC. You're our only hope.

by IowaCubs- on May 28, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

Lofton stopped being an adequate CFer a very long time ago. He’s also been out of baseball this season so it’s silly to think he could round himself into baseball shape anytime soon.

"It is never too early to start beefing up your obituary."

by MDBNIU on May 28, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right...

...an OPS+ of 105 for a center fielder as a 40 year old is far from adequate.

Reed Johnson: 83
Jim Edmonds: 24
Felix Pie: 48

Help me Obi-ONEDEC. You're our only hope.

by IowaCubs- on May 28, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's real bad in center field

Has been for quite awhile. A prerequisite for anybody the Cubs acquire to split time with Reed Johnson has to be the ability to play a decent enough center field.

"It is never too early to start beefing up your obituary."

by MDBNIU on May 28, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

like

Felix Pie?

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is talented...

but his series of one year contracts speaks volumes….

by crazymountain on May 28, 2008 1:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

solution

trade derosa and hill and fontenot or whoever for adam dunn. put soriano at second base.

by trade brenly for grace on May 28, 2008 11:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's no solution.

You’d be cursing Soriano for his 2B defense in about 5 minutes. He’s a butcher.

Further, what makes you think the Reds would take that deal? And Dunn’s no great outfielder, either.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 29, 2008 4:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

dunn

is a left handed power hitter and lets face it derosa isn’t exactly ozzie smith. soriano will be just fine at second base. dont get me wrong he’ll probably do awful, but right now he’s dropping fly balls that land on his head to lose the game. if he botches a double play once and a while its not any worse than what we have on the field right now

by trade brenly for grace on May 29, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

HAHAHAH

Soriano at second base is an absolute joke. Honeslty. A guy whos legs are hurting has a better chance at catching a fly ball (not in the sun) then moving side to side to get to a grounder. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

FYI, Ozzie couldnt hit, Derosa can.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 29, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

how...

I don’t even know where to begin with this.

Soriano was hired for his bat. You don’t put that at second base—certainly not at the expense of trading your career-year second-baseman, Mark DeRosa.

And if you think Soriano can play 2b as well as DeRo… well, I think you’re very, very wrong. Please step away from the baseball team. You are too close to the baseball team.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 29, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good lord

what a terrible idea.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 29, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So do the 200 + posts

of Edmonds vs. Pie (part.28) means we don’t like the idea of Kelly Johnson coming to the Cubs?

Edmonds vs.Pie is entering Brian Roberts territory, IMHO and is seeping into every board. I understand there's not much to argue about, you know,because the team is like winning and Cub fans should be generally happy and  stuff,  but good effing grief already.

When does enter TCTSNBN territory?

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by yahoodi on May 29, 2008 4:41 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The thing is...

... who ever said Kelly Johnson was even available?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 29, 2008 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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