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If You Don't Like The Weather In Chicago... Cubs 3, Dodgers 1

... wait five minutes, it'll change.

At no time was that old catchphrase more meaningful than the last two days. Between Monday -- a summery, hot, sticky afternoon -- and Tuesday -- a cold, windy, wintry night -- the temperature dropped 40 degrees (game time temp Tuesday was reported as 42), and yesterday's game was played in conditions more suited to Inuit, polar bears and hockey players.

David captured the chilly scene:

It's lonely up here!
Lone fan on a Sheffield rooftop

'Get us back to LA where it's warm!'
The Dodgers had to borrow MLB-logo'ed bullpen jackets

Dome to Sori: 'What's this guy's name again?'
A scene not likely to be seen that much longer -- Jim Edmonds celebrating a win with Kosuke Fukudome and Alfonso Soriano

Cubs win!
A scene we hope is repeated many more times this year -- the Cubs celebrating a home win

Click on photos to open a larger version in a new browser window. All photos by David Sameshima

Sean Gallagher, who played his high school baseball in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida, weathered the cold to have his best start yet in the major leagues, seven innings with only one run allowed (and really, only one inning in which he struggled), and the Cubs beat the Dodgers for the second day in a row by the same score, 3-1.

Aramis Ramirez broke a 1-1 tie with his seventh-inning single after Mike Fontenot's infield dribbler had tied the game, and then, on his bobblehead day, Kosuke Fukudome ripped a double down the left field line to give the Cubs an insurance run.

The Fukudome bobblehead. Let's just say that the size of the early-arriving crowd stunned me. It was cold, the game had an unusual early start time, and still, lines for the bleachers were as long as I've ever seen them for a regular-season game, all there that early (well before 4:00 when the gates opened) to get one of these:

Dome!

Fukudome, who has been in an offensive funk, snapped out of it with the double, a single and a walk, and made a couple of sparkling defensive plays in right field. How anyone could consider hurting the defense by moving him to CF and putting a minor league first baseman in right, I simply cannot understand. It does appear, as I keep saying, that Jim Edmonds is done, done, D-O-N-E (have I said done?). He went 0-for-4 last night, got booed roundly the last two times, and his bat speed is probably about the same as Cubs hitting coach Gerald Perry's would be if Perry took the field now. Edmonds did make one nice catch going back on a fly ball to the warning track; his fielding is still decent and he catches everything he gets to. I still fail to see how this team is helped by his presence.

This is the same sort of thinking that has Lou pining for Rich Hill or Sean Marshall to get healthy so he can have "another lefty in the rotation". He gets obsessed with putting a certain type of piece of the puzzle, when the puzzle's virtually solved right now. Gallagher's performance has certainly earned him more rotation time; maybe Lou has even noticed:

"He's still got a couple things to work on, but he's telling us that he wants to stay in the rotation," Lou Piniella said.

If he keeps pitching like he did last night, that should quiet the chorus begging the Cubs to trade for everyone else's misbegotten or injured hurlers. Last night's performance by Kerry Wood ought to quiet a similar chorus asking for him to be replaced at closer. He looked dominant and seems to be getting more comfortable in the role each time out. Meanwhile, Carlos Marmol had a shaky outing, loading the bases before getting out of the jam. I'd like to see him rest up some, as he's bordering on severe overwork.

Thanks to BCB reader LT for posting the 2nd overflow thread last night. You folks were pretty chatty!

Discordant note last night: plate umpire Bob Davidson barking at the Cubs' dugout (specifically Alan Trammell) after the Cubs -- rightly, I think -- carped about some of his ball/strike calls. They were apparently laughing about this later -- Lou said in his postgame press conference that Davidson yelled over, "Trammell needs to take some decaf!", but this kind of stuff from umpires has to stop. That's the second day in a row someone from this crew has tried to bait someone in the dugout to start something and then toss him. Umpires aren't supposed to do that, and this crew (in particular, Davidson and yesterday's plate umpire, Mike Reilly) seem to walk around with chips on their shoulders.

If that's the worst thing we have to complain about, this season must be going pretty well... and it is. The Cubs are now tied for the best record in the major leagues with... the Tampa Bay Rays. Feels pretty good, doesn't it?

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by adam316 on May 28, 2008 8:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

One thing you glossed, Al:

Aramis’ AB in the 7th was incredible. Battling back from being down in the count ( the pitch he laid off to run it full was CLOSE) to drive in the winning run on what was still a pretty good pitch…that was a great AB, the kind of AB we didn’t see very often from this club the past few seasons.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 28, 2008 8:43 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Varsh-

Who’s that in your avatar with Kid K?

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 28, 2008 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eddie Vedder.

Pearl Jam is my only vice.

And booze.

So, two vices.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 28, 2008 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

WHOA

He’s lost weight.

Did NOT look like EV, and I’m a Pearl Jam fan.

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 28, 2008 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

I’ve actually really become a fan of Vedder’s solo stuff. He wrote a great song for a new documentary called Body of War, about a disabled Iraq vet. It’s called ‘No More War.” The lyrics are incredible.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 28, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are absolutely right.

We noted that when it happened. A-Ram has become a much more selective hitter this year; it shows both in his walk count AND his higher average in late May than is usual for him at this time of year. He hasn’t had one of his patented hot streaks yet, either. I’d still expect that from him once the weather gets consistently warm.

He might be primed for a MVP-type season.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 28, 2008 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, he's entering a hot streak.

Check out these splits:

Last 7 days: .385/.429/.538

Last 14 Days: .370/.414/.593

And this is entering what has been, career-wise, his best month, June: .308/.361/.501 Plus, his career numbers suggest that his power trends upwards from June-August, so with the improved plate discipline, we could be in the verge of seeing Aramis really explode.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 28, 2008 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Strictly from memory

While those numbers are good, when Aramis goes on his hot streaks, I feel like he tends to hit over .400 for a week or two-week stretch. So, with the numbers you cite, maybe the next couple weeks will see Aramis hitting over .400.

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 28, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly what I was thinking.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 28, 2008 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I think he's right on the cusp of a prolonged hot streak.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 28, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

[rubs hands together]

good times!

"Is there anything he can't do?" ~Len Kasper, 4/5/08, on Kosuke Fukudome

by JohnM on May 28, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent, Smithers.

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 28, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't you mean

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 28, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course

"Is there anything he can't do?" ~Len Kasper, 4/5/08, on Kosuke Fukudome

by JohnM on May 28, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's not forget

that Soriano had a great at bat where he went down 0-2 and came back to 3-2 and got a hit. A very good job for a guy not known for his patience at the plate. He has not impressed in the field or on the bases but he is starting to show that he can improve at the plate.

by bubbamike the one and only on May 28, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very true. That was an unexpected at bat by Soriano.

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 28, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes it was

and broxton was throwing 97mph and mixing in that slider. he’s another filthy pitcher who just had a bad night.

It might beeeeee!! It could beeeeeee!! It issssss!! Homerun!! Holyyyyyyy Cow!!!

by cubsluver22 on May 28, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought he actually pitched well.

The Cubs bats were just better.

"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."

by californiachicagoan on May 28, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aram=clutch

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A great all-around win

It’s a good time to be a Cubs fan (I hope you all are enjoying it).

I’ll be at the game tonight… let’s get a win Z!

(p.s. In regards to the photo in this post where Soriano, Dome and Edmonds are in mid-air together…. is this what they mean by a “3 way”?

I haz show: http://hotbeans.wordpress.com

by digitalbenjamin on May 28, 2008 8:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I can see it now.

Ben waits until the stands are empty after the game. He looks around to make sure he’s the only one left. He raises his arms and yells, “LAST”. :D

by sue369 on May 28, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then I parachute out of a low-flying helicopter...

...land squarely in the middle of centerfield and and scream, “NOT SO FAST!”

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 28, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And then

me and KG come out of the side hatch….

"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young

by Kegler on May 28, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

With the oils and perfumes an incense

"Please move away from this vector and get into another coordinate pronto. There's no access for you in this quadrant." Mike Donnelly

by McRipper on May 28, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ESPN telecast, and more

First, GREAT GAME. I haven’t been that juiced after watching a game in a while. I couldn’t even get to sleep after it. I have to second what was said above, that Aramis at bat was impressive. He really played the pitcher like a fiddle after going down 0-2. I also think it should be Dome Bobble-Head night every night if he plays like he did last night.

The ESPN telecast was difficult to listen to at times. Chris Berman was doing the play by play and I find him very difficult to listen to. Rick Sutcliffe was doing the color and I thought he did a very good job. Not only that, it was great seeing him back and healthy again. Early in the game you could tell that Berman and Sutcliffe don’t work together often as there were often prolonged and uncomfortable silences. Sutcliffe stressed throughout the game that if the Cubs win this game it will be because of the stellar defense they were playing (despite the passed ball that helped allow the Dodgers to score their only run). Sutcliffe was very correct, the Cubs’ defense was very good when it needed to be.

Finally, what is with this umpiring crew? Davidson’s conduct was unnecessary and unprofessional, as was Riley’s yesterday. We can only hope that, with some luck, we won’t be subjected to this umpiring crew again.

Let’s get the sweep tonight behind Big Z!!!

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 28, 2008 9:00 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

"prolonged and uncomfortable silences..."

I must have missed those. At times while watching last night, I was praying that Berman & Sutcliffe would shut up for a few seconds. Too often, TV play by play and color announcers feel they must continually say something, when the pictures themselves say it just fine.

My kingdom for Ernie Harwell…

(OK, I’m done being grumpy for the day…;)

Go Green! Go White! GO STATE! (#13031 on the Cubs season ticket waiting list...)

by Zeke on May 28, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most of the silences

were early on in the first inning and before. After that, you are right, the commentary very rarely talked about the game that was being played. Berman’s play-by-play was certainly nothing of the kind. it was almost like having two color guys in the booth at the same time. It was like watching a movie with the director commentary going.

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 28, 2008 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

And that’s why I rarely use that feature on a movie DVD- and I’m a TV producer/director! We usually have little of interest to say anyway…

Go Green! Go White! GO STATE! (#13031 on the Cubs season ticket waiting list...)

by Zeke on May 28, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Try...

the director commentary for “Boogie Nights”. Fascinating stuff. The one for “Fight Club” is pretty insightful as well.

Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis

by carmen_fanzone on May 28, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The commentary for

Dazed and Confused is breathtaking.

I haz show: http://hotbeans.wordpress.com

by digitalbenjamin on May 28, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lmao

you guys hear when erin andrews called berman fat? he didnt seem to like that. i was laughing hysterically.

It might beeeeee!! It could beeeeeee!! It issssss!! Homerun!! Holyyyyyyy Cow!!!

by cubsluver22 on May 28, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

she was talking about the diet that Gallagher went on. The one that Wood suggested. She said something along the lines of “Chris, here is some information you’d be interested in . . .”

She also said a number of the Cubs players, including Soto are on the same diet.

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 28, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and Dempster

Dempster, Soto, Wood, Gallagher …

... why arent all the Cubs on this diet? Or maybe they are!

"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."

by californiachicagoan on May 28, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but atleast it wasnt the usual crew.

I liked having a Cub guy in the booth

by Madison Cub Fan on May 28, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i dont usually like to harp on ESPN

because i find its one of those biting the hand that feeds you arguments (without ESPN we wouldn’t have the proliferation of sports coverage we have now)

but last night’s telecast was awkward to say the least. When Sutcliffe and Berman were gushing over each other and reminiscing about first meeting in the 70’s, I just had to put it to mute. I love Sut and I love the passion he has for the game and for the fans, but I’m not a particularly big fan of his “color” work. He tends to get 1 piece of information and hammer it home at you all night long.

Berman is a joke at this stage in his career. It’s pretty career he doesn’t do a lot of research on these telecasts and really doesn’t follow baseball very closely anymore. He kept referencing a young player (and its killing me that i forget who it is now) last night saying “Where did this guy come from” who had been producing at the major leagues (albeit in limited time) for a few years now, it might have been Matt Kemp.

Very poor telecast team last night, i’d assume we have more of it tonight

Great win though last night and very good sound baseball all around, something that has been a pleasure to watch all season

by DartmouthCubsFan on May 28, 2008 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...

Whatever happened to Bob Costas calling baseball games? I know this is highly unlikely with NBC going baseball free, but I sure miss him calling baseball.

Berman is a football guy.

Help me Obi-ONEDEC. You're our only hope.

by IowaCubs- on May 28, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's exactly why.

Costas stays with NBC primarily to do the Olympics and football, and they won’t let him out to do baseball for other networkd.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 28, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bob Costas only does baseball games

in great movies like The Scout

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 28, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tommy Lasorda needs to go away.

Ranting about “taking infield,” and throwing curveballs in BP….methinks Tommy was a bit in the cups.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 28, 2008 9:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

He is an asshat; and he reminds me of this guy.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 28, 2008 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did appreciate his take on Santo and the HOF...

He went off on the radio for a while on why Ron Santo should be in the Hall of Fame. I think Ronnie probably gets sick of hearing that, but it was a nice gesture on Tommy’s part.

Help me Obi-ONEDEC. You're our only hope.

by IowaCubs- on May 28, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Lasorda went off on quite a rant in support of Ronnie in the Hall of Fame...

...until Pat Hughes had to tactfully remind him that the inning had just ended and they had to go to commercial.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 28, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Go back in time to, last September

—it’s in the archives, and read about my close encounter w/Tommy, @ Wrigley. Hammer…has him…nailed. (Did I just actually WRITE that?)

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 28, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice------

Lasorda is a large large dickhead. Surly old man. If you want an autograph make sure you have a pen or he may eat your hot dog then bitch at you for putting mustard on it.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 28, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quick summary

He was beyond nasty to all who were near him at the time. I was sitting in the 1B boxes, he was 2 rows to my left. He was nasty to a kid…a kid—who asked for an autograph. He then snarled at my friend worse who merely walked over to say hello. I had no idea….but when I posted this, the floodgates opened here with others who have such encounters w/Mr. Lasorda.

The two sides of Mr. Lasorda. With a camera or a mic in front of him, he’s the sweetest old man around. In person, he’s a cranky, grouchy, mean individual.

The “Ambassador of Baseball.” What a misnomer.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 28, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

bobblehead

Those stuffs are always too funny to me ;-)

I'm bleeding Dragons Blue.

by dragonsfanatic on May 28, 2008 9:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yes they are

but the line outside the bleachers was NUTS! Got in line around 4:15 and glad I did because I don’t think anyone arriving after 4:45 received one.

I was glad to see Aramis step up once again. During his at bat I kept thinking about the post I read on here about how he is Captain Clutch… and he came through once again.

by chicagodave on May 28, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lou meet Michael

Michael this is Lou

Lou meet Scott. Scott this is Lou

and finally, Lou have you met Jose? We just brought him up recently, Jose this is Lou…

CAN WE PLEASE STOP USING MARMOL!!!!!!!!!! His control is starting to slip which is usually a sign of arm fatigue. PLEASE PLEASE stop using him every time we have a lead before we have to start referencing Dusty and Pineilla in the same sentence

3-1 lead on a frigid night with the wind blowing in, is a PERFECT time to get someone else into the mix, specifically Wuertz (who hadn’t pitched since Saturday).

Instead we go back to Marmol who threw 60+ pitches over the weekend and then when he gets in trouble who do we call? HOWRY, who had pitched 3 consecutive days

big picture Lou, big picture… its only May!

by DartmouthCubsFan on May 28, 2008 9:07 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

I haz show: http://hotbeans.wordpress.com

by digitalbenjamin on May 28, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+2

was thining the same things last night

It might beeeeee!! It could beeeeeee!! It issssss!! Homerun!! Holyyyyyyy Cow!!!

by cubsluver22 on May 28, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

I thought Wuertz was really starting to come around too.

I know each game counts the same, but it does seem like Lou’s got that must win attitude for every game. Which, you know, is nice. But not at the expense of White Castle.

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 28, 2008 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wuertz and Howry have pitched much better of late.

Hopefully Lou takes notice and begins to use them more often. And Ascanio wasn’t brought up to toss warmup; he’s gotta get innings.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 28, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's turned the corner with Howry

Monday’s game was the key, although Howry didn’t pitch well he worked out of that big jam and you can see Lou got excited to have his 7th-8th inning combo back again. It’s why he was probably eager to get him warmed up again last night.

Unfortunately Howry had thrown 3 days in a row and shouldn’t have been available

by DartmouthCubsFan on May 28, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed on all points.

Hopefully, today is a blowout and Ascanio can get some work.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 28, 2008 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've wondered if with Howry

being in the last year of his contract, the Cubs are fine to burn his arm up. Howry says he wants to pitch everyday anyway.

by DGU on May 28, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we don't have a great history

of letting veteran FA’s that perform reasonably well go and just take the draft picks

this is why i’m terrified of the Howry/Dempster situations. Both should be let go after the end of the year and take Type A FA compensation for them while we plug younger options into their roles (Wuertz, Gallagher).

Even if we were to overuse Howry it would make sense to do that towards the end of the season and not so much early on

by DartmouthCubsFan on May 28, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you know michael wuertz isn't young right?

He turns 30 this year. He’s on a 1 year contract.

Do we keep him?

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 28, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 28, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think only as long as the Shark's not ready for prime time.

Guys like Wuertz seem dime a dozen to me. I like the guy though.

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 28, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He'll be costly...

somewhere around $4 million for two years.

Help me Obi-ONEDEC. You're our only hope.

by IowaCubs- on May 28, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nahhhhh....

He ain’t gettin that much.

He’s getting paid $800k right now.

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 28, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't

be surprised if Wuertz made $2 million a years or close to that. Good middle relief is getting expensive. Look at Howry and Eyre as examples. When Wuertz is on, he is near unhittable. Just like Dempster, someone (the Tigers maybe) will overspend for him.

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 28, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He will find work

someone will pay him 2 million a year. His numbers are good, and he is a above average middle man. A lot of teams would love to have Wuertz.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on May 28, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

fair point

he’ll be 29 all year, i believe we have 1 more arbitration year with Wuertz (i might be wrong on that), but i’d think he could slide into the Howry role next year

by DartmouthCubsFan on May 28, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I don't know.

Hendry has let go Moises Alou and Matt Clement and Nomar. A lot of the decision on Dempster will be on Dempster, I think. If he pitches well and wants to stay a Cub on a short contract, Jim’s pretty player friendly. But I doubt the Cubs plan to bid high on Dempster. They know what he is and what he isn’t. They remember that he did not get into this kind of shape right after signing a contract but right before his contract year. I love Dempster, even did during the dark times, but I think Hendry will let him go and look to other options. Especially if Demp’s saves help him make Type A status – we could get a lot of draft picks this year.

by DGU on May 28, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I also don't see

the Cubs resigning Dempster unless it is a short term contract with a good home team discount.

It’s not like Dempster has a track record for being an above average starter, like he is pitching this year. Some team, desperate for starting pitching will likely over pay for Dempster though, especially if he keeps pitching as he has thus far.

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 28, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we signed Jason Marquis

to a 3 year deal when NO ONE else wanted him, i’m not putting anything past our front office

by DartmouthCubsFan on May 28, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good point

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 28, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Marquis contract was an interesting risk

and frankly one I like seeing the Cubs make. Jim has thrown his monetary weight around a couple times to the detriment of our division rivals. The Marquis contract, done early enough in the offseason, helped lift the pricetag on starters for other teams. And being backloaded, I think you can see Jim hoped to trade him this offseason, but comments made by Marquis and Lou helped undercut Marquis’ value, I believe. I think the Mets’ dallying with all the similar FA options ran the clock out as well. But early in the offseason, Rosenthal reported that Marquis had positive trade value, so this almost worked out.

by DGU on May 28, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He may still have trade value, if...

... he can put three or four decent starts in a row together.

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by Al on May 28, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good god, no

Dempster has become a great #3 pitcher! We want him and Z and Gallagher and Lilly in the rotation!

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen.

...we got a long way to go and last night was a perfect spot to put in Wuertz

Felix Pie must play everyday!

by JB 23 on May 28, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good post

hopefully knowing that we have won the series, marmol will get the night off. let’s put up a big lead and hold on to it…. with big z on the mound and the dodgers lack of offense, should be a good bet.

by cubbiefanTN on May 28, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Plus, how are Wuertz, Eyre, etc. supposed to get any kind of consistency with their pitches if they are not seeing action? Lou really needs to use these guys more often so that when he does use them, they can be sharp. Bullpen pitchers, like bench position players, need their appearances to keep sharp. Hopefully, with the number of pitches Marmol threw last night, Lou will not use him tonight.

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by gwood on May 28, 2008 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

strong point

agree completely. The bullpen as a whole needs more consistent work and Marmol needs more rest. If it loses us a game or two here in there while we try to get these guys in rhythm and get Marmol some rest, i’m all for it

by DartmouthCubsFan on May 28, 2008 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LSA.

Howry seems to be ramping up to the “good” version of himself. Now Wuertz and Eyre need to do the same thing—especially Eyre, as he was the other “veteran” reliever signed along with Howry back in ‘06. And Ascanio could really do this team a favor by being this year’s Carlos Marmol, or at least coming close.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 28, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well put

One thing we have seen with Lou is that once you fall out of favor, it is very hard to get back into favor. And I particularly hope that with Eyre, he might be back to his 2006 form and can be a co-setup man instead of just a LOOGY. But right now Lou is using him only as a LOOGY. Maybe with time….

by DGU on May 28, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely

Wuertz or Ascanio would have been good choices. We’re wasting good opportunities to rest Marmol…

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by Bump Bailey on May 28, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stuff

I like how Lou has kept the carrot in front of Gallagher’s nose. Everyone including Sean realizes that if he continues with quality starts he won’t be replaced. If Lou is so set on putting a lefty in there then replace Marquis.
It has been so nice to see multiple players battle back from 0-2 counts this year, what a difference. Even when the work the count full and eventually get out it is nice for the obvious reasons.
How has Pie been doing in AAA? I have said to give Edmonds a shot but at this point it is becoming obvious he is not an upgrade from Pie in really any area. Also I have been saying from the beginning that Felix needs a real shot at taking the job.
I will be at the game Thursday night, it will be the first night game I have gone to this year where it is not very cold although it is suppose to rain around 9pm according to weather.com. I will be in section 202 row 14.

Lets do it Cubbies

by slocs55 on May 28, 2008 9:12 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pie's not doing so hot,

but he is trying to tweak his swing, so there’s going to be growing pains there. He is starting to rap some XBH hits, though, so there are signs he’s settling in. Someone had a diary the other day where he was quoted as being a bit down about his demotion, which is understandable, but I think if he can start to stack quality AB’s, his confidence will return.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 28, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup...

Pie was atrocious in his first 40 AB: only 3 hits, though one was a HR. In his last two games, Pie is 3-7 with two 2B and a BB. That’s obviously a REALLY small sample size, but hopefully it’s a sign that Pie is getting his confidence back.

by SouthernCub on May 28, 2008 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good article on Pie

and others , Murton, Marshall, Hill and Patterson in the paper. All about how they adjusting to AAA ball and how Pie was devasted about being sent down. They are working with his stance, swing and other tinkering.
Bring him up now, good bye Jimbo Edmonds

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by Grockcubs on May 28, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Enjoy the game - I wish I could get up there for a Z start.

I totally agree about watching our hitters battle – not just Aramis but guys like Cedeno, too.

On the other hand, I’m not convinced that Gallagher wouldn’t be replaced even if he countinues the quality. Marquis has the contract and Gallagher can easily go back to AAA. We’ll see.

by DGU on May 28, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lou's Line-Up

I loved getting Cedeno in at SS, but would have liked if Fontenot didn’t have to join him.

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on May 28, 2008 9:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The bunt attempts were humorous though...

TheRiot and Cedeno are prolly stuck practicing Bunts for a while.

by Schizo on May 28, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lou said the whole team is going through bunting drills today.

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by gary varsho on May 28, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I screamed just thinking about it.

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by gary varsho on May 28, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

how many career sac bunts does Ramirez have?

anyone know?

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by digitalbenjamin on May 28, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Three.

None since 2000.

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by Al on May 28, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks...

I guess that means he’s “due” eh?

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by digitalbenjamin on May 28, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You could tell Cedeno knew he was in deep dung......

....when he came to the dugout and threw something. It almost looked like Lou might have said something about the force at 2B as well…although in that situation the head first slide should have been ok…Cedeno is like a thoroughbred that needs to play with controlled fury…he goes balz out all the time. His new found plate patience has changed his career though.

BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"

by cubfever7 on May 28, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funny how I knew when Ronny screwed up his bunt,

he was in trouble, but when Theriot screwed up his, I just shook my head knowing it wouldn’t change anything.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 28, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I shook my head at Sutcliffe

comparing Theriot as a guy whose little things always get it done to Cedeno who keeps missing the little things. There aren’t many who are bigger fans of Sutcliffe than me, but I thought Theriot made the same mistake, how can you say these things!?

by DGU on May 28, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But he's so little!

And so friendly to the media!

Serioulsy though, Riot is hitting .311/.391. Anyone think he could do that?

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by Bildo1805 on May 28, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's no denying .311/.391

It’s a light .311 but the .391 OBP is wonderful….in our lineup that can’t help but translate to runs scored..and i’ve seen him get some important singles in key spots this year too. I like Cedneo better at SS—but Theriot has done a pretty good job.

BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"

by cubfever7 on May 28, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, and Cedeno is hitting even better!

Cedeno is at .321/.402. Neither is likely to keep that up, obviously, but it’s clear that Theriot gets a longer leash for the same mistakes Cedeno makes.

Obviously, part of that is that Cedeno has the longer history of those mistakes than Theriot. But this year, the mistakes have been MUCH less prevalent.

by SouthernCub on May 28, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Theriot has been bad on the basepaths this year.

Ran into some stuff caught stealing due to a hit and run with a lefty on the mound. But he has made a few mistakes.

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by Hammer on May 28, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Slugging:

Cedeno: .444
Theriot: .383

It seems that every time people want to defend Theriot, they do so by pretending that there’s no such thing as extra base hits. It’s driving me crazy.

by cwyers on May 28, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you.

Just sayin, it’s good for Theriot.

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by Bildo1805 on May 28, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just absolutely can't stand...

...the fact that everyone seems to go from the triple slash to the double slash when it comes to Ryan Theriot. As if suddenly extra-base hits don’t matter. Drives me crazy.

It drives me especially crazy because it means people continually avoid dealing with the question of what it means that a guy batting .311 is still .050 points below the league average in slugging. Especially when even his biggest defenders admit that he’s unlikely to hit .300+ all season.

by cwyers on May 28, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I agree...

I was just illustrating that, even using the cherry picked metrics that make Theriot look good, Cedeno STILL looks better. The fact that Cedeno is three extra-base hits behind Theriot despite over 100 fewer AB is telling.

by SouthernCub on May 28, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Small sample size for

Cedeno. I agree that neither is apt to keep their stats as good, but Ronny does deserve a chance as he should have the greater upside.

by bubbamike the one and only on May 28, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it's a small sample size.

The only way it won’t be a small sample size is for Cedeno to get more playing time.

The important point here is this: 2008 Ryan Theriot is 2007 Ryan Theriot with as .300+ batting average. If you don’t think he can sustain that, then Theriot is essentially the player the projections said – a guy that’ll put up a line on the order of .280/.360./.370 (off the top of my head), have an OPS barely above .700, and be a player best suited to being a bench player.

Of course, if he plays at his true talent level or a bit below from here on out, it’ll be quite some time before the Cubs figure that out. And if/when they do figure it out, there really won’t be any time to really evaluate whether or not Cedeno’s new performance level is just as illusory as Theriot’s to begin the season seems to be.

by cwyers on May 28, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously.

Can we all agree that Fontenot is a career AAA player? Let’s leave him there!

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 28, 2008 9:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 28, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we can

but that doesn’t mean Lou will agree….

by DartmouthCubsFan on May 28, 2008 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think if I were left handed, I could make the Cubs 40 man.

I mean, Lou’s REALLY obsessed with lefties. I can roll over balls to short with the best of ‘em.

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 28, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um.

Good point?

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by Bildo1805 on May 28, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's the question -

Assuming in the future neither is starting, would you rather use the last bench spot on Fontenot or Edmonds?

by DGU on May 28, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fontenot.

Edmonds is D-O-N-E done.

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by Al on May 28, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last night was the second game that I've set..

close enough behind Edmonds to count his facial hair during at-bats, and I think Al is right. It’s just not there. And you can see the frustration that he’s taking to the plate in a way that probably doesn’t translate as well on TV. He’s done.

by Damen Jackson on May 28, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weird

Al,

do you think you can work on assigning a player the title Weird? I have a problem with the spelling of it (always confusing the I before E rule) and I think if you attach the word to a player, I’ll have a better chance of improving my spelling!

I’ve got done, down pat now

by DartmouthCubsFan on May 28, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm.

Got any suggestions?

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by Al on May 28, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe instead of attaching it to a person

just highlight game situations every once in a while

there has to be a wierd… errr… weird play every game or two

Al Yellon “bringing Cubs fans together around the globe AND teaching them how to spell, one BCB user at a time”

by DartmouthCubsFan on May 28, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LMAO

Deal!

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by Al on May 28, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, considering you p0

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on May 28, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ouch - let's try again...

well, considering you post all the game threads and recaps, not to mention being one of the more prolific posters, you could change your user name from “Al” to…

[ wait for it… ]

“Weird Al Yellonkovic”

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on May 28, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ack!

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 28, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oy

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Groan...

...which, appropriately enough, is my reaction to most of Weird Al’s oeuvre.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 28, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absoultely Fonty.

Not saying either should be the choice though.

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 28, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Umpires

I have never got the bashing of umpires in baseball. Davidson may have been a bit snappy with Trammell but who cares. Where is there a rule or even the expectation that players and coaches are allowed to say anything they want and umpires are allowed to say nothing at all. If what Trammell was doing in the dugout was deemed to be too much (and making that judgement is what umpires are paid for) then they have to do whatever they think is in the best interests of the game. In this case, it appears that Davidson established very early that he wasn’t going to allow the benches to do this all night and it seems that it worked. I say that’s good umpiring. But by all means, let’s take all of the personality out of the game. Let’s make all the umpires stand there like humanless robots. Better yet let’s just get rid of them.

I wasn’t real fond of Sutcliffe’s work last night, but I thought he made a good point about how important Edmonds AB was in the 7th. Before it even happened, he implied that if he could get a hit it might be the key to him staying with the Cubs. If not, he might be up there with Sutcliffe and Berman next week (talk about a lose-lose situation).

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by TXCub on May 28, 2008 9:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's exactly what it's supposed to be.

There’s a line that has to be drawn, yes, about coaches, players and managers saying “whatever they want” before getting tossed. But the umpire is supposed to be IN CHARGE, not STARTING THE ARGUMENT and BAITING players and coaches into getting tossed.

Many modern umpires do that. It’s a new phenomenon; it never happened back in the 1960s and 1970s when I first started following baseball.

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by Al on May 28, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, too many times I see replays

where the player is being held back by the manager, other players etc. and the ump in question is still getting up in the players face. I understand taking up for yourself, but they should be trying to be as much of a non-story as possible.

by LT on May 28, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Umpires today think that they are part of the show..

...they have forgotten that they are the arbiters of the game, not part of the game itself.

They have egos the size of Mack trucks and are virtually untouchable and without reproach, so who can blame them?

Funny that you see this baiting behavior more when the game is on National TV, Lou nailed that one.

Felix Pie must play everyday!

by JB 23 on May 28, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's see if it happens again tonight, then.

Game is on TWO national cable channels.

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by Al on May 28, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Umpires have always thought

that they were part of the show. Look up Bill Klem. It is important to remember that they are human and will make mistakes, both in calls and in reacting to the baiting they receive on the field. As long as they are even handed they need to have some slack cut, but when they show bias, THEN, they need to find another job.

by bubbamike the one and only on May 28, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Klem never thought he was "part of the show".

He’d have never done what some of the current umpires do.

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by Al on May 28, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would have been just as easy for Davidson to walk over to the Cubs dugout during a TV timeout and talk to them. IMO, there was no need for him to halt play to he could rip off his mask and scream “Shut the hell up!!!” at the Cubs dugout (you could read his lips on TV).

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by gwood on May 28, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess, as long as they aren’t ending up on Top Plays ;).

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by gwood on May 28, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt...

...that Davidson didn’t start that. Baiting is a pretty subjective thing. It seemed to me the the umpire gave a very clear communication that he wasn’t going to tolerate arguments about balls and strikes.

I understand your point though. You see it in the NBA all the time. I just don’t think this was that case. There is always alot more going on than what we can see or here. In fact, given Lou’s account, it doesn’t seem he was baiting at all.

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by TXCub on May 28, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe not.

Sure looked like it, though, and the TV cameras caught it. That’s what I think, echoed above, that these guys, some of them, are jealous of all the face time players get on ESPN, and they want some of it themselves.

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by Al on May 28, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True...

..the game is so much more sensationalized now. I’m sure some guys get caught up in it. At the same time, MLB wants boisterous egotistical independent types on the field. Their jobs can be extremely difficult and there is no room for any inkling of weakness. If there is, players, coaches and fans will quickly render an umpire unable to fulfill his duties. So we get some bad with the good. To me as a Cubs fan, I really appreciate that some of these egotistical gloryhounds at least have the guts to make the tought call when my team is on the road and a lesser umpire might be swayed by the environment. I think it is hard to find that courage without the ego that goes with it.

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by TXCub on May 28, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leo Durocher

Would probably be thrown out almost every game in this era. Seems like they used to have more of a give and take back in the day. It was part of the game and made great entertainment at times. A lot of fun has been missing from baseball the last 10 years or so….maybe longer.

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by Bump Bailey on May 28, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did the Cubs start the jump and bump in the OF?

(as opposed to bump and grind which the photo here looks perilously close to)

It’s one of the coolest things going—-you have to love the smiles of Dome and Alf and the strains of “Go Cubs Go” in the background.

Even though I’m 53—i’ve been trying to practice it…the key is to remember to jump straight up and then bump rather than jumping toward one another in mid air, which can result in aborted take outs and spills and Doug Plank type results.

BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"

by cubfever7 on May 28, 2008 9:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't throw your back out.

lol

Cubs cocktail: Add equal amounts of devotion and stubbornness over ice, stir and serve.

by Fukumania on May 28, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

Fontenot reminds me of a right handed… well… take your pick of a thousand below average right handers with choppy swings.

Cubs cocktail: Add equal amounts of devotion and stubbornness over ice, stir and serve.

by Fukumania on May 28, 2008 9:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!! Has anyone seen any other team do the victory jump in the OF?

BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"

by cubfever7 on May 28, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but he's SCRAPPY!

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by digitalbenjamin on May 28, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

First part yes, second part...wouldnt have guessed it
The Cubs are now tied for the best record in the major leagues with… the Tampa Bay Rays.

Usually if your tied with the TB Rays it’s not a good thing.

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand. - Homer J Simpson

by MikeOxbyg on May 28, 2008 9:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Rays are surprising, but this has been coming...

They’ve long had a ton of good young position players. Their pitching has taken a bit longer to materialize. But this offseason they made a trade of Delmon Young for Garza, which strengthened their rotation without killing their lineup (they had about five solid OF options already). They also took a flier on Troy Percival, and that has strengthened their bullpen substantially (that was another weakness). Shields and Kazmir were already a strong 1-2 punch. I certainly don’t think they’ll maintain the best record in baseball, but that team is VERY talented.

by SouthernCub on May 28, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Baseball Prospectus

had them pegged for 88 wins this season

by DartmouthCubsFan on May 28, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ESPN2 tonight...

Anyone know the blackout rules for a Wednesday night ESPN2 game? This is our first, right?

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 28, 2008 9:51 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I believe...

... you get blacked out in Chicago and LA. But since the game is on WGN, almost everyone should have access.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 28, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Al.

Didn’t know it was on WGN too.

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 28, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i’ve never really understood how this happens. with all the games being played around the league, what is the point of having the cubs on 2 national stations at the same time?

"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella

by anormal on May 28, 2008 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please, Lou...

...let’s drop Edmonds, call back up Pie, bat him 2nd against right-handed hitters, with Johnson replacing him (anywhere in the lineup) against lefties.

I know people wil carp on about Pie being terrible at the 2-spot….but last year, that’s where he (and the team) succeeded. He’s got speed (so if he gets on, he distracts the pitcher facing Lee), he hits lefty (balancing the top of the lineup, with Fukudome doing well at #5), he can bunt and bunt for a hit, and I just feel it would be the vote of confidence that might get him over the hump in terms of his self-esteem/mental game, allowing him to play as the type of player he’s capable of being.

Does anyone else agree with me? I know someone will disagree, but I just think that with the team playing well, now is the time to show a little faith in a guy with the type of talent that if he got his mental game together, could put the Cubs seriously over the top….

by Chadnudj on May 28, 2008 9:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't agree with you.

Soriano and Pie tablesetting for Lee, Rammy, Fukudome, and Soto?

“Buzz’s girlfriend….woof!”

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 28, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Felix and bunting...

he’s not really good at it… I know because he’s smaller and fast it makes sense that he could bunt, but he really doesn’t do it very well.

Stick Felix in the 7 hole where he doesn’t have to be pitched around and his power is a bit more useful.

I’d like to see:

Soriano (i have no choice here)
Fukudome
DLee
Aramis
Soto
DeRosa
Pie
Theriot
Pitcher

Fuku is proving to be the ideal #2 hitter and Geovany is proving to be the perfect #5 hitter. Theriot has enough plate patience that he can handle #8 and possibly get more men on base for Soriano

by DartmouthCubsFan on May 28, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that is close to the lineup Lou wants to get to

althought it will end up being more along the lines of

Sori
Dome
DLee
Aramis
Griffey
Soto
DeRo
Riot

by DGU on May 28, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

griffey

oh god no…

i just threw up a little

by DartmouthCubsFan on May 28, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You threw up a little now

but wait till you see what we have to give up to get Griffey. I’m serious – ask yourself who can be considered a bat to put ahead of Soto – there’s no one on the trade market that should bat ahead of him on talent; there’s only people who “should” bat ahead of him by reputation.

by DGU on May 28, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

stop it!

why would you do this to me?

Here I am happy about watching good baseball night in and night out and you go and do this!

damn you…

by DartmouthCubsFan on May 28, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry. I take it all back.

We’re going to find a way to snag Jeremy Hermida from the Marlins, just like we snagged D-Lee. Everything will be just fine.

by DGU on May 28, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If only we had a 6 fingered reliever and an asian first baseman...

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 28, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow,

2 bad outfielders and a right fielder!

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 28, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't it pretty much a foregone conclusion...

...that Griffey is going back to the Mariners to finish out his career? Or is he having second thoughts because the Mariners, like, suck?

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 28, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We can hope Griffey goes to the M's - there's been smoke there.

But Gammons has also connected Griffey to Lou and I think Rosenthal has as well.

by DGU on May 28, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Griffey has a no-trade clause...

...and word out of Cincy right now is that he won’t waive it. That could change, of course.

by cwyers on May 28, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My money is on Griffey

going back to Seattle. He has control where he is sent and he probably wants to end his career where he started it. He made a big mistake leaving Seattle and he has been downhill ever since.

by bubbamike the one and only on May 28, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Felix is 6'2 and has primarily been known for his power in the minor leagues..

...not sure where you see him a little and a bunter?

Felix Pie must play everyday!

by JB 23 on May 28, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your plea comes about two weeks too late. (Not that Lou would've listened anyway.)

Interestingly enough, though, Pie didn’t do too poorly in the two-hole last season. In 70 ABs, he hit .243/.299/.386 (.684 OPS). And that’s actually better than he hit in 65 ABs in the eight-hole (.571 OPS).

In any case, this topic has been beaten to death. Pie will play in Iowa until he proves that he can do whatever the Cubs want him to prove he can do. You don’t like it. I don’t like it. Most of us not named Blue Mike don’t like it. For the time being, all we can do is watch Jim Edmonds flail away in slow motion until Lou finally, mercifully pulls his plug.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 28, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al-

I know you cannot control advertising on your site, but I was wondering if you’d noticed the ad for the “Horry Cow” shirts that sometimes appears. A bit ironic to see it just below the FanPosts, where there has been at least one on the list the last couple weeks condemning the shirts.

Also, it says they have “been banned from Wrigley” which I don’t believe is the case just yet….

No Edmonds, No Maddux, No Problems.

by Kansas25 on May 28, 2008 9:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately...

... I have no control over the Googleads, and yes, that one bothers me.

Not sure what they mean by “banned from Wrigley”. No one stops anyone from wearing them inside (though they should), they were never sold inside, and they continue to be sold outside.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 28, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forgive me, but...

Why is everyone all over Kerry Wood? ARE they really ‘all over’ Kerry Wood? I mean I’ve been a bit out of touch because of the holiday weekend (and, of course, out of touch for moments throughout my entire life, but that’s a different story for another time), but he seems pretty damn solid to me. Seems like Edmonds is getting less grief (unfairly so, I think he blows) than Wood!

I don’t get it.

Wait a minute... who am I here?

by malicedoom on May 28, 2008 9:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As far as I know, only Sarah Hope is all over Kerry Wood.

And it’s just a picture!

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 28, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, the Closer. (Daver sighs dreamily.)

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 28, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's because...

... as a closer, if you fail, your team likely loses.

Edmonds went 0-for-4 last night and looked bad doing it, but the Cubs won.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 28, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's one thing

Erin Andrews (wipe off drool) reported last night that she talked to Wood about. How his propensity to hit batters is magnified now that he is closing. Kerry said that he has always hit a lot of batters (led the league once or twice, I think), but since he is closing that part of his game is magnified now. Hopefully he can limit that part of his game, but I don’t think we want him out there worrying about it all the time.

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 28, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL - got a link? :)

Wait a minute... who am I here?

by malicedoom on May 28, 2008 10:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Howry and Wuertz have to pitch more

Howry and Wuertz may be a bit shaky but last night was just a preview of what Marmol will look like come September (hell even July) if he keeps these innings up. Besides, Howry’s track record shows that sadly he needs to pitch 30 IPs or so to become very effective. If we lose one or two games now because we put Howry out there, oh well because we’ll save many more games if we have a fresh Carlos Marmol all season long.

If we get into another save situation tonight. I’d like to see Wuertz in the 8th and Howry in the 9th.

by IllinoisCubs on May 28, 2008 10:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If there's a save situation tonight...

... you’ll see Wood in the 9th. He didn’t throw that many pitches.

But you ought to see Wuertz in the 8th.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 28, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

May 14, 15 and 16.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 28, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Has he pitched 5 times in 6 days?

I can’t see that he has.

Better question, should he be pitching 5 times in 6 days?

If he does tonight, it will have been 23, 24, 26, 27, 28.

by IllinoisCubs on May 28, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At some point, he's going to have to.

Let’s hope the Cubs win 10-0 tonight and they won’t need him.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 28, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Saving Wood

It’s tempting to keep using him the way he pitched last night, but he and Marmol have both thrown a lot lately. Maybe it’s time to see if Howry and Wuertz can close out a game.

Hopefully it won’t come to that. I like Al’s plan for a 10-0 win, and Z getting a shutout.

"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979

by danimal15 on May 28, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

heck

let’s just give Z the complete game.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alan Trammell

We were stting in Dugout Box seats right next to the Cubs dugout.
Davidson said “Alan, that’s enough. The ball was inside”

Lou immediately started laughing at Alan and then Alan had to smile himself.

when asked about his performance against the Reds - Lieber said the following
"Well obviously I made some bad pitches today, left to many over the plate and they got good wood on the ball. The only good thing was that I was able to get back into the clubhouse earlier then I planned so I could eat."

by 1060 W Addison on May 28, 2008 10:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We keep beating the good right-handed pitchers.

This is the other thing I am seeing out of the 2008 Cubs that I really like. There have been some saying we must get another top-tier pitcher, which, of course, would be nice if we could get one. But the main reason I once argued we needed another shut-down starter was to help in the short-series playoff matches, where our offense might get shut down. But the new Cubs offense doesn’t get shut down for three games in a row. It finds a way to win. Sure, there are all sorts of ways we might like to see the club upgraded, but this club is ready to win now.

by DGU on May 28, 2008 10:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

O/T

South Side Green Line derailment. Looks like two cars are off the tracks. No serious injuries reported yet. 59th and Garfield according to my niece who’s stuck in traffic there.

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on May 28, 2008 10:55 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

see the raw footage

on channel “Chicago 3”

I haz show: http://hotbeans.wordpress.com

by digitalbenjamin on May 28, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did anyone else see....

that the southsiders allowed the first triple steal since, like, ‘87 or something.

"The 12 second rule is how long it takes Carlos Lee to hear, turn around, run over, find and eat a hot dog dropped by a fan in the Crawford Boxes at Minute Maid park" - ballhawk

by MScubbie on May 28, 2008 10:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Right and Ed Farmer

wont stop bitching about how there should have been an error.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 28, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

isn't the saying

you dad gum right this game is going to be played under protest…..or something like that…

by cozmotaylor123 on May 28, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If that was said...

It would’ve been compliments of Hawk.

"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry

by Jayo525 on May 28, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe it's daggum...

followed up with “and this is one protest we’re gonna win for sure,” or something like that.

The amusing part – the runs in that game wound up being irrelevant to the final decision, AND the call on the field was correct, AND the Sox never protested.

by SouthernCub on May 28, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gallagher As 5th Starter

How consistent can anyone expect a 5th starter to be? Gallagher has been up and down. He might be passable as the No. 5 guy. He might not. I admit my opinion changes with each start. I had been thinking Lieber would be a better choice. I still think the 5th starter should be skipped in the rotation, if an off day allows the number 1 starter to have the regular 4 days of rest. Of course, that all depends on when the number 5 spot comes up in the rotation.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on May 28, 2008 11:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

he's already

better than Marquis.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fun!

Well I have to say that was fun! First time at Wrigley for over 30 years and it was going to take more than the cold to get me down (it certainly was cold though – if they sold Cubs fur-lined boots and gloves I might have been buying). I was amazed and delighted how little had changed in the whole Wrigley experience – it all had a rather retro feel to me, and none the worse for that. Ritual, after all, is a vital part of the whole experience.

I arrived two hours before gametime and assumed the crowds at that time were just normal. I didn’t make the connection with the Kosuke bobblehead. Delighted to get one though. The smallprint on the packaging says “choking hazard” – the very last thing you’d apply to the man himself, what a resolute, classy and dependable player he is.

Fukudome apart, Gallagher looked very impressive. I really liked how he came back after a bad 4th to pitch 3 more strong innings.

So, great atmosphere, good baseball (apart from a couple of flubbed bunt attempts) and then we had a seventh inning rally to stand up and cheer, and Marmol (with difficulty) and Wood to finish off a Cubs win. Then we all got to sing again. Wonderful!

I’m sorry to miss Zambrano’s start, but can’t wait for my next game on Thursday – in the bleachers no less!

by simonuk on May 28, 2008 11:28 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Glad you got

to see a great game. Hope it’s not another 30 years before you make it back.

by sue369 on May 28, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Simon's sitting in the bleachers with us on Thursday.

Looking forward to meeting him.

I think the “choking hazard” on the bobblehead is because the little bat comes separately and you have to screw it into his hands.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 28, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haven't seen this mentioned

so I’m throwing it out there. When Edmonds came up in the seventh with two one, two out, in the midst of a game-winning rally, did anyone else almost hope he did just what he did? Don’t get me wrong, I put the team first always, but there was a part of me that was wanting Jimmy to look bad and squander more insurance. And, lo and behold, he didn’t disappoint.

Okay, "Wendy: hot and juicy redhead." Give this a try.

by neverAcquiesce on May 28, 2008 11:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Can't say I did

I’ve been guilty of feeling that way before when watching from a distance. I didn’t like signing him and if he can’t hit anymore I’d rather know now rather than over an extended trial.

But at the ballpark there was no way I could do anything but root for him to help keep the rally going.

by simonuk on May 28, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was hoping he would come through

cause right now he is a cub.

on a side note it was disappointing to hear people booing edmonds instead of cheering the fact that we had scored 3 runs to take the lead.

---AC 00 00 00 - Believe

by mjk83 on May 28, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had hope

he could do SOMETHING productive, but I wasn’t surprised when he killed it.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As long as we are still giving Edmonds a chance, it means

we haven’t traded Sean Gallagher and Jose Ceda for Ken Griffey Jr. So, I am still hoping Edmonds finds some fumes in his gas tank.

by DGU on May 28, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was practically praying for Edmonds to hit a gapper to right center

...but I would hate to see him get one key hit every few games and end up taking up a roster spot with minimal contribution; fueled only on past performances and hope.

Was he an opposite field hitter in St. Louis? I think he’s only hit 2 balls to right since he got here. Sutcliffe pointed out how porr his bat spped was in not gettting around on 90 mph fastballs that he knew were coming on fastball counts.

BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"

by cubfever7 on May 28, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember him

regularly putting balls into the rightcenter bleachers, now they are fly outs to short right. D-O-N-E

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 28, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it just

that Edmonds has lost that much bat speed that his power is decreased? or is he just weaker due to his age?

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 28, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't that all the same thing?

1) weaker due to age
2) that leads to slower bat speed
3) that leads to less power

I don’t know if “weaker” is correct though. It could be more slower reflexes due to age, rather than less raw strength.

"Is there anything he can't do?" ~Len Kasper, 4/5/08, on Kosuke Fukudome

by JohnM on May 28, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he was late

on a LOT of pitches. In fact the only one I remember him being ahead on was that 7th inning groundout.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably both

What Im seeing is a guy that needs to cheat on a fastball so the breaking stuff he flails at. The fastball in is just a pitch he wont hit with regularity anymore and the pitch up and away he use to murder is ending up in the left fielders glove.

D-O-N-E

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 28, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right.

He can’t generate enough power to drive the ball like he used to – pitchers seem to know this and have no fear of challenging him in the heart of the zone. It’s not simply the lack of performance – it’s watching him get all of a pitch and still seeing it turn into an easy fly ball well shy of the warning track. I don’t see how this isn’t the end of the line for him.

by cwyers on May 28, 2008 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

opposite field with power

He had, repeat ‘had’, a very nice inside out swing that generated lots of power the other way. Lots of homers to the bleachers in left-center, and is one of a handful of lefties to actually clear the bleachers and put one out onto Waveland – his actually cleared Waveland on the fly.

Off the top of my head, some other lefties to exit Wrigley the opposite way were Berkman, Griffey, McGriff, and VanderWal. I’m sure there have been others. Bonds woud do it during batting practice, but never in a game that I’m aware of. And as far as I know, Sosa is the only righty to ever take it out onto Sheffield. But I can only vouch for the last 20 years or so.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on May 28, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bonds and Dunn

Last year Bonds hit a homerun that landed across Sheffield into a gail force wind. It was the hardest hit ball I have ever seen besides the Glen Allen Hill homer to land on the roof.

A few years ago Dunn hit a foul ball that went out of the park towards right field that went over the upper deck canopy and hit the building across sheffield. Absolutely amazing.

by Imtrejo on May 28, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was torn, honestly

I wanted Edmonds to get a hit there to put the game a little out of reach, and then Sutcliffe said that the at bat was extremely important to Edmonds because if he were to get a hit, he would likely be in a Cub uniform for the year to come, but if Edmonds were to fail, his exit may be accelerated. After Sutcliffe said that I was honestly torn and I feel bad about rooting against a Cub player for even the instant where I questioned what I wanted to happen.

Luckily the Cubs won the game and Edmonds likely hastened his exit, we can hope.

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 28, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was the situation.

We were already up by two with six outs to go, in a game where a one run lead would probably, and eventually did, mean a win for us. In that situation I just couldn’t bring myself to cheer him on knowing, as Sutcliffe said, a good at bat means more appearances for him.

Okay, "Wendy: hot and juicy redhead." Give this a try.

by neverAcquiesce on May 28, 2008 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I certainly wasn't HOPING Edmonds would do poorly.

But I’m not foolish enough to try hoping that he’ll do well. It strikes me as a quick route to some easy disappointment. I went and fixed myself a snack during his at-bat.

by cwyers on May 28, 2008 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That must have been a quick snack.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 28, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

rooting for him to do something bad, get released...

just might be rooting for the Cubs in the long run.

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 28, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm going on record .......

as to saying i’m not a pie supporter at all whatsoever at this point but with no other options available….........drum roll please….......... get him back to chicago please dear god. i cant stomach edmonds anymore.

It might beeeeee!! It could beeeeeee!! It issssss!! Homerun!! Holyyyyyyy Cow!!!

by cubsluver22 on May 28, 2008 12:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I really wanted to give J.E. a chance, but I agree.

He’s “done”, and Pie will hit better than .176 (or GOD I at least HOPE so…)

Wait a minute... who am I here?

by malicedoom on May 28, 2008 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously...

just about any AAA player can hit better than .176…and probably most AA players as well.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 28, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pie is not coming back.

He’s not an option for 2008 anymore.

by DGU on May 28, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I sorta agree...

Felix Pie probably isn’t an option in 2008. But if he can somehow rework that hitting approach then he has excellent chance of being in the mix in 2009. Again what is completely lost among the pro-Felix crowd is that the Cubs actually did him a massive favor in sending him down. It would have been easy to keep him up for his glove. By sending him down there is hope that he can one day learn what it takes to hit major league pitching.

"It is never too early to start beefing up your obituary."

by MDBNIU on May 28, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quit qouting the paper

“The Cubs did him a favor” cant remember which paper I read it in but I know you didnt write it.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 28, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Favors

It’s all in the eye of the beholder – if you believe he was never going to succeed with his approach, well, then it was overdue favor to send him back to AAA; on the other hand, if he might have succeeded, then blowing up his approach, jerking him around with playing time, then humiliating him by replacing him with Jim Edmonds, well, that wasn’t exactly a favor, but since Lou did it, it must be right.

by DGU on May 28, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So let me guess...

You are yet another BCB subscriber who adheres to the belief that Lou Piniella and Gerald Perry are unqualified to assess Felix Pie’s hitting prowess? And / or believer in the theory that mass quantities of major league at bats is the great elixcir. After all if Pie hit well in the minors then he surely will hit well in the majors automatically. Just ask Jason Dubois if you don’t believe me.

"It is never too early to start beefing up your obituary."

by MDBNIU on May 28, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And who says this was Lou's decision in a vacuum??

Seems to me Jim Hendry, Randy Bush and others had heavy say in the decision too.

"It is never too early to start beefing up your obituary."

by MDBNIU on May 28, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We know that Cubs management was divided on what to do with Pie.

This was reported. The reports seem to be verified by the disorganization of bringing Pie North but not playing him once he was brought up, or by Lou jockeying to dump Pie for a 13th pitcher, but that not happening, etc.

What that leaves us with is the simple fact that some in the Cubs organization believe Pie could succeed at the ML level. We don’t know who, but it seems like Hendry and others in the development side were Pie backers. We know that Lou was opposed to Pie getting ML playing time. So, you can cite Lou specifically because he publicly ripped his player and I can’t cite specifically the Cubs management who did not publicly rip their manager, but I can still cite them generally. There were people who knew Pie better than Lou who thought he could succeed. I’m with them. You’ve got your argument to authority and I’ve got mine.

As for playing time – the same day Pie was batting .222 and was sent down, Evan Longoria and Adam Jones were also batting .222(ish). Go see what they’ve done in the time since Pie went down. Sometimes, OFTEN times, it takes prospects time to adjust to major league pitch movement (something you can’t really do at AAA, fwiw).

by DGU on May 28, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ba bumm, tssss.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 28, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good grief

Let me ask a basic question. You’re a good Cub fan who has had the benefit of seeing most of Felix Pie’s 200 or so major league at bats. Do you think he was on the path to hitting success in this league? What is your reponse to the gaping holes in his swing that proved highly exploitable by pitchers?

It’s very naive of you to say that since Pie was hitting .222 just like super-prospects Evan Longoria and Adam Jones that the ballclub should have stuck with him. You know it.

There is a critical item that also doesn’t compute, and that is why on earth would Lou Piniella or anybody assoicated with the Cubs want to visibly sabotage Felix Pie? The Cub organization has investment enormous time and resources in Pie’s development. And last time I checked we DID NOT have a lot of wondrous long term solutions in center field. So why on earth would Piniella and others be so anxious to throw Pie under the bus? Piniella would like nothing more than for Pie to flourish as a major league player and be an integral member of a championship team. The last thing he wanted to see was the ballclub be reduced to going after a vagabound like Jim Edmonds in hopes of catching lightning in a bottle.

"It is never too early to start beefing up your obituary."

by MDBNIU on May 28, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Answers and questions in return

I am not a scout. My eyes are not trained to know what looks like major league success in swings and in windups and the like. For example, when I watch Derrek Lee in his slumps, HE looks like a bad hitter to me, even though I know better and I know he will break out of it. So, I can look at Felix all day and have very little useful information. The one thing I did see in Felix was a guy who watched a lot of pitches go by for called third strikes which tells me that his problems were not all in his swing; they were either also/instead in pitch recognition and/or in adopting the more patient approach. Of those two, pitch recognition is not going to get better at AAA and the patient approach can be developed at either AAA or in the MLB.

Why is it naive to compare Felix Pie, a several year Top 100 prospect to two other Top 100 prospects who struggled in the major leagues? It seems to me that you are being simplistic is deciding that Pie will not succeed and therefore isn’t comparable to players who struggled and then succeeded. You made one argument – that throwing playing time doesn’t fix things magically – I responded by showing you two prospects who needed more playing time than Pie got to get things together. What is wrong with my argument?

You ask why Lou would want to “sabotage” Pie. You don’t have to believe that Lou wants to “sabotage” Pie to believe it is possible Lou mismanaged Pie with the best of intentions. Lou Pineilla, the player, hit the very first moment he came to bat in the major leagues. He hit and hit and hit some more. Why is it surprising that he doesn’t understand when other young players can’t hit immediately upon arriving in the major leagues? Does that make him pernicious or diabolical? No. It makes him just like a lot of other teachers who have trouble teaching students who don’t come along as fast as they once did. That is common among teachers/coaches/managers etc.

But even then, we KNOW that Lou Pineilla thinks the Cubs lineup needs a LH bat with THUMP to succeed. Where is he going to put this bat if Felix Pie is succeeding in CF? Pre-season Lou wanted a top of the order lefty, either Roberts or Crisp, and he didn’t get one. Now, Lou thinks Fukudome is the top of the order lefty and he wants a 5-hole lefty. So, yes, Lou had a reason to blockade Pie playing in 2008 – for his perceived best interests of the club. I’m not saying he did it. He could have done it unconsciously. I’m sure he doesn’t think Pie will be sabotaged forever by anything he’s done. I’m sure Lou thinks Pie had his shot back in 2007 and I think he expects Pie will get another shot in 2009.

But you are absolutely wrong when you say, “the last thing he wanted to see was the ballclub be reduced to going after a vagabond like Jim Edmonds.” He didn’t want the club reduced, or anything like that. But Jim Edmonds was precisely the kind of player he wanted for CF. PRECISELY the kind of player. Problem is – we didn’t get 2004 Edmonds. We got 2008 Edmonds.

by DGU on May 28, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent analysis.

And I say again, that if MDBNIU is correct and Piniella wants Pie to flourish, why wouldn’t he give him more playing time? You can’t hit your way out of a slump or get good timing down or learn to hit major league pitching sitting on th ebench.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 28, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The more difficult question is -

why did Lou bench Pie for a week right after Pie started heating up from April 21-24? Pie was hitting .500 and then didn’t play a full game again until the 30th.

There’s nothing wrong with a manager deciding a certain player isn’t right for his team, but there’s also nothing wrong with us questioning the manager’s analysis of that player’s abilities.

by DGU on May 28, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's about as well reasoned a post as I've ever seen DGU.

BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"

by cubfever7 on May 28, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was fantastic

and thank you for posting it but you won’t get a response from BlueMike.

by sue369 on May 28, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pie is a professional baseball player

that can’t hit the ball, he swings at eveything something needed to be done. A favor or not, how many chances would your boss give you before he replace you??

by brownbuddha on May 28, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

more than what he got.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the quicker he will be able to hit at MLB level

by brownbuddha on May 28, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think this is a

“quick” problem to fix.

We’re scoring more runs than anyone else in the majors. We could have carried him.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

From the mountaintop to your computer screen...

Jim Edmonds will be gone by the weekend.

Would you rather have Felix Pie on this ballclub continuing to demonstrate that he can’t hit major league pitching with that approach, or would you instead like to see him rework things in the minors in hopes of salvaging a major league future? The Cubs could have taken the selfish route and kept Pie and his good defense on the ballclub. Instead they did the right thing by him in letting him go down to Triple A to intensely work on things.

The name Alan Trammell will crop up when Seattle fires John McLaren any day now.

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"It is never too early to start beefing up your obituary."

by MDBNIU on May 28, 2008 12:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You could have just skipped that first paragraph..

and posted…

“MDBNIU WORLD #1”

1. It was right to send down Felix Pie. He proved incapable of hitting major league pitching and is now a reclamation project. My guess is he never winds up hitting and becomes the next Alex Escobar and Ruben Mateo.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 28, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

do not.

do NOT attempt to turn this into something where you have said “all along” that Pie needs to go down and adjust his swing. If I had a nickle for EVERY SINGLE TIME you’ve blathered on about how “Felix Pie can not hit major league pitching and never will”, I’d be able to buy the LF bleachers each a beer AT wrigley!

You were wrong about Edmonds.
You were wrong about Woody.
You were wrong about Pie.
You’re wrong about Murton.

BLUEMIKE=WRONG ABOUT BASEBALL.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isturiz too

just saying…...........

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 28, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

David Aardsma

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 28, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We need to add a "DF" to the NL.

“Desigated Fielder”. Soriano can bat, and Pie can play left field. :)

Wait a minute... who am I here?

by malicedoom on May 28, 2008 12:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

We do it all the time in 16” softball (best game in the world). Let the AL have their DH, and we can have a DF…..:)

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on May 28, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the way

if somebody has an extra bobblehead, I’d love to buy it….

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 28, 2008 12:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

they're all over ebay

Can't quiet THE RIOT! (www.riotshirts.com)

by RIOTSHIRTS.com on May 28, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

saw some for $30 and comes with ticket stub from game

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on May 28, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I'll probably go there

...just figured somebody from this community wouldn’t charge an excessive amount, unlike some random guy from Oswego who wants 100-bucks or something outrageous.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 28, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got one but you can't have it

and I was not even at the game . Let’s just say I love to abuse
the power my season tickets give me. Want tickets to a game ?
Well I WANT THE BOBBLEHEAD. My poor friend Matt got his butt out there
by 4.40 as I did not want to take any chances. Sure he froze but he got a great
game and I get the bobblehead. I even tempted him with an offer of access
to my extra bleacher tickets. You don’t want to know what I made people
do on Maddux give away nights ( those were always crappy scratch offs)

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on May 28, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Texas winning 2-1 in the 5th

Cubs could, by themselves, have the best record in MLB.

I’m just sayin’... :)

Wait a minute... who am I here?

by malicedoom on May 28, 2008 12:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Tampa Bay just won the game.

Cubs will have to win to keep pace!

Pathetic attendance: just over 10,000.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 28, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about Marmol...

I agree with the need to rest Marmol a little more, but he is pitching at about the same rate (IP and G) as he was last year. And if you remember, he was very good at the end of the year. Between Aug 14 and Sep 22 he gave up 0 R in about 22 IP. I don’t think we should necessarily expect him to give out. The simple fact is, just like the closer Marmol is going to pitch in a lot of the games that the Cubs win. In their 31 wins this year, he appeared in 20 of them. He is a key part of winning on this club. He is easily the best middle reliever in MLB this year and seems headed for an All-Star appearance. I’m just not sure where you can sit him.

Even last night, it seemed like he had an “aha” moment with the last two batters he faced. When the last batter came up you just had the feeling that he was back and all was well again.

That being said, this team seems poised to have a great June. If Ramirez can get hot, Lee is definitely out of his May slump and Howry is about ready to really contribute. Add to that Gallagher pitching well and I would be shocked is Rich Hill doesn’t come back and force Marquis out of this rotation this summer. The only trouble spots in my mind are CF and Dempster. I am thrilled with Ryan’s performance, but it just doesn’t seem possible that he will continue at this pace.

I hate to even mention this, but I was wondering last night if Kerry Wood is watching Dempster and contemplating how long before he puts in an application for a rotation job. I’m sure it’s not too soon, but it seems a possible easy way of replacing Wood with Marmol and giving the Cubs the potential for another dominant arm.

"I'm petrified of nipple chafing. Once it starts, it's a vicious circle." Andy Bernard

by TXCub on May 28, 2008 1:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."

by californiachicagoan on May 28, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He knows that he can't handle eating up that many innings and

he wants to do what’s best for the team i.e. listening to management.

by Schizo on May 28, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marmol

I agree that worries about Marmol’s use are overblown. Yes, he’s pitched in a lot of games. But it’s far from uncommon to have a quality reliever pitch in half of a team’s games. It’s true that Lou has used him at times this year when a Wuertz or a Howry might have been fine instead, and since Howry now appears to be improving, he could again become an important part of the pen and take some games when Marmol might have pitched. Still, I’m not worried about Marmol’s arm. The more a pitcher thows, the more effective he’ll be. It’s long periods without throwing that tend to hurt a pitcher’s effectiveness. (Note how rusty Marmol looked the other day when he hadn’t played in a few days).

"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979

by danimal15 on May 28, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um, Kerry Wood used to be a starting pitcher...remember?

That’s how he got injured over and over and over again…remember?

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 28, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of Woody

how great was his giant smile at the end of the game? Winning is infectious.

Okay, "Wendy: hot and juicy redhead." Give this a try.

by neverAcquiesce on May 28, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dempster was a SP

That’s how he got injured too. I’m not saying I want him to be a SP. But Kerry just doesn’t strike me as the middle reliever type. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Cubs are forced to give him another shot as a SP in order to keep him signed at some point. My original point is that watching Dempster start may help him rationalize the notion that maybe he could make it back at some point.

"I'm petrified of nipple chafing. Once it starts, it's a vicious circle." Andy Bernard

by TXCub on May 28, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But Kerry isn't a middle reliever either. He's a closer.

I would be pretty shocked if Wood ever even considered trying to get back into the rotation. I think he realizes that his body just won’t put up with it.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 28, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The same rate as last year...

Is he on the same rate, b/c at this rate he’s slated to pitch 103 INNINGS

"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry

by Jayo525 on May 28, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

69.3 IP last year..

He def needs to start getting some rest. Over 100 is not good. Not good at all…

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on May 28, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right bad math...

...Last year’s rate would have given him 93 IP vs. this year at 103 IP. So he is throwing a little more. I still don’t think this is an issue. I’m sure Lou was hoping for the best but expecting to have to use him more early while Howry settled into the season. I think we’ll see that rate drop off a little as Bob gets going.

"I'm petrified of nipple chafing. Once it starts, it's a vicious circle." Andy Bernard

by TXCub on May 28, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marmol

Yes – 103 innings is a lot, though certainly not unprecedented, for a reliever. Terry Adams was the last Cub to post 100 relief innings, back in 1996. No reason why Carlos can’t do it.

"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979

by danimal15 on May 28, 2008 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone know how Ward's doing?

I’m hoping he comes back soon, so we can send the Big Hoff back to Iowa and prevent Lou from doing something stupid… like putting Hoff in RF.

I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on May 28, 2008 1:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Took BP on Tues and felt OK

“Eligible to come off the DL on Thurs but likely will need at least several more days, if not a rehab assignment next week.” – Sun Times

Wait a minute... who am I here?

by malicedoom on May 28, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

Just having Hoff on the roster is scaring me…

I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on May 28, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just the opposite

they need to get him more AB’s while he is here… no sense in bringing him up only to have 10 AB’s in 2 weeks.

I haz show: http://hotbeans.wordpress.com

by digitalbenjamin on May 28, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree...

He’s here to fill Ward’s role: the primary LH pinch hitter.

In that role, he’ll get the same amount of AB’s as Ward was getting, which is less than 1 AB per game.

I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on May 28, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right...

but until Ward comes back, Lou is making a mistake by not playing him more… let’s see what this kid has got. You’ll never know by giving him very limited AB’s

I haz show: http://hotbeans.wordpress.com

by digitalbenjamin on May 28, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And where exactly do you suggest playing him?

There’s absolutely no place for him on this team…

Are you gonna take D-Lee out of the line-up to play hin at first? And lose power… and a gold glove?

Or, are you going to put him in RF, and watch him let in more runs than he drives in?

I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on May 28, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

baldelli

is this kid gonna play baseball again??

It might beeeeee!! It could beeeeeee!! It issssss!! Homerun!! Holyyyyyyy Cow!!!

by cubsluver22 on May 28, 2008 1:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think not.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 28, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tore his ACL

Eating a bowl of popcorn, I heard…

Wait a minute... who am I here?

by malicedoom on May 28, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

There are no medical answers for what ails him, namely severe fatique syndrome. His contract with the Devil Rays runs out this year so he will be free to anybody who wants him. I’m guessing he is out of baseball for at least a couple years, and probably for good. 2008 will mark the third full season Baldelli has missed in his brief career. Too bad. I really liked this kid and was rooting for him hard in the early going.

"It is never too early to start beefing up your obituary."

by MDBNIU on May 28, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cubs / Rays World Series?

LOL

Wait a minute... who am I here?

by malicedoom on May 28, 2008 1:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The ESPN reporters!

Won’t someone think of the ESPN reporters!

Okay, "Wendy: hot and juicy redhead." Give this a try.

by neverAcquiesce on May 28, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

there was a big article in the tribune today

about the virtues of the cubs vs the white sox… sounds like they were hyping up a potential all-chicago world series. Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

by cubsonWGN4ever on May 28, 2008 1:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

bad

there would be riots in the streets.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BLECH!!!

I want the Cubs to be the only Chicago team in a WS. When they win it will be like nothing Chicago has ever seen before.

by sue369 on May 28, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I kind of agree

that it would be boring and redundant to have an all chicago world series BUT….

If we beat the Sox in the world series, we’d destroy the current sox gloating and forever have that rebuttal against anything they could throw at us. As you can probably tell, I have several obnoxious sox fans as friends unfortunately.

by cubsonWGN4ever on May 28, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, but

think of what would happen… if we didn’t win.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How many people here has meet face to face?

I seems to me that a lot of people know each of very well, does everyone here blog all day at work then go to the bar after work and talk about Cubs?

by brownbuddha on May 28, 2008 1:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ive met Al

I have seen the ballhawk but havent met him yet. Although Ill suggest a big party for any BCBer in the Cubs win it all—-Ill host.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 28, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we need to have parties

in preparation, too!

We HAVE to have meet-ups for the post-season.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have met quite a few of you in the bleachers.

The rest of you, hope you can make it out there sometime later this summer.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 28, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some in here

have met face to face. Several who will be at the games in person will stop by and visit with Al. The rest of us are “friends” in here who like to cheer on our team during the games.

by sue369 on May 28, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funny you should mention...

When I go to the bar to watch the game, I actually try to tone it down a notch or two…. or three or four.

Because, honestly… I could end up in a two hour long conversation about the Cubs with just a tiny twist of the arm. And now that I’m single again, I can’t talk about the Cubs all damn night long. I’ll never meet a new girl that way.

I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on May 28, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha, my girlfriend loves the games

because I never shut up. Last night at the game all she wanted me to do was talk to her sister the whole time

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 28, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My last girlfriend didn't even want to go to the ballpark.

She seemed to embrace the fact that I love the Cubs… but she didn’t want to even share my interest in it. Perhaps that was one of the problems.

I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on May 28, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Were you the guy who started a Web site about his ex-girlfriend?

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 28, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL, I don't know why I just thought of it...

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 28, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me either.

I havent had access to anything besides my email since Sunday. My parents have dish so it was a nice treat to be able to watch them instead of listen to them.

I totally missed this website.

I swear at the end of the season we may need withdrawl threads. LOL

by Madison Cub Fan on May 28, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait...

Your gf loves you b/c you DON’t shutup? I must be looking in the wrong places.

"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry

by Jayo525 on May 28, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha---

i meant that she actually knows a lot more about baseball but she likes the things I can teach her about, situational hitting, balks, hit and run etc.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 28, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

A BCB party sound awesome. Everyone has name tags with their screen name. Love it. Who want’s to plan?

I haz show: http://hotbeans.wordpress.com

by digitalbenjamin on May 28, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldnt plan but would consider hosting.

A dorky obsessed Cub fan party——starring a keg of Old Style

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 28, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what's to plan?

everyone bring a six pack of what they like to drink.
everyone bring a snack
show up here at 5:30

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

where is here???????

and maybe you should check w/ the Mrs. before you invite over a bunch of strangers. LOL

by Madison Cub Fan on May 28, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wherever we want it to be.

For me, it’s Melrose Park. Very convenient to 290, 294, 90.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll bring...

The Marmolade to drink. Perhaps some Felix Pie as well.

I haz show: http://hotbeans.wordpress.com

by digitalbenjamin on May 28, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're raising my Scott Eyre with all of these food puns.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 28, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean some of this good stuff?

I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on May 28, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That image

is right on the Mark DeRosa!

I haz show: http://hotbeans.wordpress.com

by digitalbenjamin on May 28, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some people are talking about parties

What about a Cubs Batters Eye view party? Rooftop deck party? Something like that?

by cubsonWGN4ever on May 28, 2008 2:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Rooftop

IS VERY INTRIQUING. Great idea.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 28, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could be interesting

Would need to distribute two nametags per person, one for the handle, one for the actual name haha….

Can you imagine if MDBNIU showed up…. :-x

by cubsonWGN4ever on May 28, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One word: AWKWARD.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 28, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be awsome!

I’m thinking early November right after the Cubs win the WS…

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on May 28, 2008 2:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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