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From Wuertz To Chad

Drifting in and out of sleep last night (since I have to get up at 3:30 am for work on Saturdays, and thank you to BCB reader northsider for posting the extra inning comment thread), I woke up just in time to see Skip Schumaker's walkoff HR fly over the RF wall in St. Louis, finishing the Cubs' 5-3 loss to the Cardinals in 11 innings.

It's got Lou Piniella so exasperated that he doesn't know what to say. In this Bruce Miles article in the Daily Herald, Lou elaborates on his "You think I'm stupid?" remark at Thursday's postgame press conference:

After the game, Piniella took exception to a question from a radio reporter who asked if Piniella had thought about moving Reed Johnson from center to left and replacing Soriano, who had come off the disabled list Thursday after suffering a right-calf strain.

"The question that was asked yesterday, the guy who asked it knew the answer before I had to answer it," Piniella said. "Why ask it? Why can't he report the news instead of trying to create news?

"I'm not going to take Soriano out for defense. He knows it, you know it, and unless there's a double switch, that's the only way he's coming out of the ballgame. Everybody knows that. You don't take superstar players out of the lineup. You don't do it."

But then, in Bruce's game recap from last night, Piniella shows his frustration, which matches all of ours:

"I've got no explanation for the left-field play," Piniella said. "I really don't."

Soriano dropped a playable fly ball in the 7th inning -- well, "dropped" isn't the right word, because he appeared to never touch it -- that helped the Cardinals eventually extend their lead to 3-1 after Yadier Molina hit a ground-rule double. The Cubs actually caught a break on that play, because the ball bouncing into the seats held a runner at third. Otherwise it'd have been 4-1. At the same time, if Soriano makes that play (or if Derrek Lee hadn't made an error on Rick Ankiel's grounder on the previous play), the Cardinals score NO runs in that inning and then Soriano's two-run HR in the 9th inning would have been a game-winner.

Such is what happens when you're in a bad stretch, and the Cubs are in a really bad stretch (now six losses in the last eight games). I was actually encouraged by that inning, because Bob Howry did his job -- got Ankiel to hit a ground ball and Albert Pujols to hit the popup that Soriano couldn't field. When Troy Glaus struck out, that should have been a 1-2-3 inning. Kerry Wood also threw a 1-2-3 ninth inning, good news after his Thursday meltdown.

All of this wouldn't have been necessary if Rich Hill had just done his job. He walked four batters in the first inning, forcing in a run, at which time Lou had had enough and yanked him, and that may be it for Hill in the rotation for a while:

"Hill can't start like this in the big leagues," Piniella said. "Come on. Every time he pitches, it's an adventure. He's doing his best. I have no bullpen. I don't know what the solution is. I can't start him anymore until this thing gets taken care of. I would think that if we did something, we'd put (Sean) Marshall in the rotation, for now."

Give credit, at least, to Michael Wuertz and Jon Lieber, who together threw five innings and allowed only one run, keeping the game close. But Lou is right. I can't figure out what's wrong with Hill, who appears to have seriously regressed from his fine season last year. He's walked 18 in 19.2 innings and doesn't seem to have a clue out there. I don't think he's hurt, because his velocity seems OK; is it a mechanical problem? Larry Rothschild has already worked with him on that once this year, and that resulted in Hill's only win of the season. Hill has now thrown 353 pitches in five starts -- not getting past the sixth inning in any of them -- and only 55% of them have been strikes (194). Contrast that with Carlos Zambrano's excellent start this year (after a couple of years' worth of Z walking way too many) -- Z has thrown 723 pitches, 458 for strikes (63%).

Would an all-expenses-paid trip to Des Moines for Rich be useful? I say it would; what's the point of putting Hill in the bullpen? If he's a long reliever, he's likely to come into situations where the team is behind, maybe with runners on base, and if he can't throw strikes -- that's potential disaster.

The Cubs did have their opportunities last night, having nine hits and five walks... but leaving thirteen men on base in 11 innings isn't going to cut it. The Cubs left RISP in the 7th, 8th, 9th and 11th.

And Chad Fox... well, he threw strikes (14 in 23 pitches), but everyone he faced hit the ball hard (save Brendan Ryan, who bunted). I'm not so sure he's the answer to the Cubs' current bullpen woes, either. Just remember this: Lou won't stand pat if something isn't working, and even with the swap-out of Kevin Hart for Fox, there are still problems with both the rotation and the bullpen.

Perspective: after 29 games a year ago, the Cubs were 15-14, but already five games out of first place. This morning they trail by 1.5 games and are two games better off than the 2007 edition.

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Wood...

...got lucky. He came within about 4 feet of the game being over on the ball Ankiel crushed.

by jolietconvict on May 3, 2008 8:31 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

RISP

Those RISP stats are hard to swallow. That’s killing us. It seemed like Fontenot was at bat every time they were threatening and he made an out. Why is that guy still on the team? Soriano is a butcher in left. I was pissed when he hit that homerun because it should have been a game winner if he hadn’t played like garbage in the field.

Hill has to go. Get him out of the rotation. There, i’m done. I feel better.

So nobody has to see the scroll bar on my posts!!!!

by McRipper on May 3, 2008 8:33 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Seemed like

The 30 million dollar man was at bat all the time w/ RISP

The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on May 3, 2008 10:13 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Maybe it's just me

but it seems like Hill has mental problems too. He strikes out the first batter on three pitches (three good pitches mind you) and then once he starts losing the strike zone, it all goes to hell. It just doesn’t seem like he is able or capable of bearing down and focusing on the task at hand.

I am with you Al, it doesn;t make any sense to keep Hill up here in a bullpen that is already having problems and has already thrown too many innings as it is. Hill needs to be sent down to Iowa to figure out whatever he needs to figure out. He better figure it out quickly too b/c at his age (he’s 28 or 29, right?) he isn’t going to get too many more chances.

Soriono, what else can be said that hasn’t already been said. It doesn’t look like he cares at times. I know it is important to go out there and have fun when they are playing this game, but at times that all it seems like Soriano is doing. He looks lost at the plate (the homerun aside). Why throw him a fastball, you don’t have to, he will swing at the curveballs that land in front of the plate for you. Soriano looks lost in left field. At time it just doesn’t look like he feels like playing the game right, he just feels like playing the game. That kind of attitude is not going to win him many fans in a city where we appreciate players like Dome and Johnson and Lee who play the game right, fundamentals and all.

All right, I am done too . . . for now. Thanks for listening :).

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 3, 2008 8:37 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

On a positive note

it was good to see Wuertz, Howry, and Wood throw better and have successful outings.

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 3, 2008 8:38 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

About Wood...

I would’ve liked to see him go out for another inning. He only threw about 9 pitches? I think that makes more sense than sending out Fox for another inning in his first appearance in 3 years.

''As long as he doesn't talk World Series, I'm happy.'' Lou Piniella on Ronny Cedeno.

by CubsBullsBears on May 3, 2008 8:40 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

YES!!!

Soriano should hit 5th. Period.

by Canadian Cubs Fan on May 3, 2008 9:13 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Although

Wood had throw quite a few pitches the day before against Milwaukee

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 3, 2008 9:17 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

that was the bright side of a really ugly night.

..I thought Howry looked like his own self. He technically got 5 outs in the 7th.(errors on Lee and Soriano in my book)

An absoultue joke the Molina was credited with a double. I know that’s how it works with the offical scorers with balls hit to the outfield but come on.

Felix Pie must play everyday!

by JB 23 on May 3, 2008 9:33 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Hill...

Dempster is probably the biggest surprise of the rotation this year, but Hill has to be the biggest disappointment. I know Lilly has been struggling a bit as well, but I truly expected Hill to take that “next step” and become a dominant pitcher.

Although I would love to have Lieber starting, he is just too valuable in that long-relief role. Slotting Marshall into Hill’s spot for a while makes sense.

''As long as he doesn't talk World Series, I'm happy.'' Lou Piniella on Ronny Cedeno.

by CubsBullsBears on May 3, 2008 8:38 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Today's game...

...will be televised live here in Japan on SkyPerfecTV… but the program will be started at 4:40AM….
Hopely I can wake up by then and join the thread, but I don’t know I can get over Sunday morning laziness….

Good night…

I'm bleeding Dragons Blue.

by dragonsfanatic on May 3, 2008 8:52 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Hope Dome has a better game than he had Friday night.

n/t

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 3, 2008 11:46 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

The Pen and others

With Hill being yanked after 0.2 innings, the pen had to come up huge and it did. All you can ask for is a chance and the Cubs had chances all night. How can a big league ballplayer misplay the ball that bad? Len and Bob was asking why wasn’t he sent down to Iowa for a couple of games to get the timing back along with game experience. I agree with them. Soriano looked lost.

A Cub fan in Cardinal territory.

by FSArkCubsFan on May 3, 2008 8:54 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

I ws really ticked off last night....

...much calmer now…The problem with Lou’s comments is that they put the star before the team. Moreover, you could easily explain removing him for defense as protecting his leg. The manager has to manage egos and that’s a very tough job, but as a fan of a team so rich in losing, the feelings of a guy making $18 million per year mean nothing. Seriously, they don’t mean anything.

I can also say that fans would totally respect Soriano as a TEAM player and they’d allow for his injury if he were taken out for defense and batted down. By the way, batting him down where belongs removes Lou’s lame excuse about not double switching for him because of the pitcher.

As I watch Lou manage more like Dusty it’s very frustrating. The Cubs have a good team, we’ve had 2 very tough losses with total melt downs from Wood, Hill, and Soriano on D, but it’s a long season, too. But I don’t care about the egos of alleged “stars”. If you are a gimp on D then you better bring like a star much more often at the plate and don’t look to me for sympathy….Seriously, who in the world is Lou trying to appease with his comment about not switching out a “superstar”? No one but Soriano.

by DudeVf11 on May 3, 2008 9:08 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Lou's comments are very disappointing

I thought he cared more about wins and loses than stroking a guys ego. I guess not. Like you said, it is Dusty-like.

by Ilan on May 3, 2008 9:11 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Disappointing, yes

Neither Lou nor Soriano have said the right things about this whole thing. I one thing though, despite whatever Lou says his desire to win is so great that in the end he will make the changes necesary. I don’t see Soriano remaining in the leadoff spot for too long unless he suddenly gets hot. And if he keeps playing like that in the field he will be substituded for as well. Still, the comments and actions from Lou concerning Soriano are certainly disappointing. And Soriano’s total lack of accountability even more so.

by Luis on May 3, 2008 9:21 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Lou's comments EXTREMELY disappointing

I love Lou, but his actions and words scream a different set of standards (and rules) for Alfonso Soriano. I absolutely hate that. Very, very disappointed in Lou’s handling of the Soriano affair.

by MDBNIU on May 3, 2008 9:20 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Love...

You have love in your heart? Didn’t think it was possible.

''As long as he doesn't talk World Series, I'm happy.'' Lou Piniella on Ronny Cedeno.

by CubsBullsBears on May 3, 2008 10:40 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Find me one superstar in ANY sport

who isn’t coddled?

Hell, look at the way in which Michael Jordan was coddled not just by the team, but by the league.

It’s just the way it works. If Lou was doing otherwise, no doubt there would be people around here saying Lou doesn’t care about his players. He’s got to massage the egos and play the part because that’s part of what a manager does. Gotta keep the clubhouse running smoothly. It’s the way it works.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 3, 2008 10:59 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

As much as it pains me, I have to agree...

I’d been shocked that Soriano was even in the lineup the last few days. He looked awful before the DL trip, had been on it for a few weeks, and was then just thrown back into the lineup. There were all the reasons in the world to send him out on a rehab stint for a few days to avoid exactly these problems (Peoria maybe?). So, as much as I respect Lou, I think he’s dead wrong on this, and probably is costing the team some games.

And Rich Hill? I don’t know what more there is to add, other than his trip to the minors would be about five weeks overdue. His fastball is consistently high, and he looks like he’s lost the release point on the curveball as well. Until he can fix at least one of those things, he’s of no use to the Cubs on the ML roster.

by Damen Jackson on May 3, 2008 11:21 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I wonder if Lou

wouldn’t have preferred Sori go on a rehab stint…who knows, though.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 3, 2008 11:27 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I don't know either...

but three games in Peoria before coming back with the club, and we aren’t have these conversation; and the Cubs aren’t having these headaches.

Hell, Alfonso could have even gone out there, and returned back to his place in Chicago each night. Makes no sense.

by Damen Jackson on May 3, 2008 11:32 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I agree.

Some rehab time would have been best for all concerned.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 3, 2008 11:42 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I've said it here before, the reason Lou is coddling Soriano publicly and most likely

..privately is he knows his ego is as fragile as an 8 year olds. (ask Frank Robinson) He doesn’t want to lose him.

Lou ripping Soriano publicly would only make us feel good, it wouldn’t accomplish anything.

Felix Pie must play everyday!

by JB 23 on May 3, 2008 9:38 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Exactly.

Lou’s doing what he needs to do to keep things running smoothly in the clubhouse. Personally, I think he’s doing a good job of handling a situation he obviously doesn’t want to be in.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 3, 2008 11:01 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Now that I am settled down...

...I am more inclined to agree with you…

The Cubs’ start has been great to watch, at the same time I have not been impressed with Lou’s managing, but since you can’t tell an $18 million brat that he’s a jackass, it’s probably best for the long haul that Lou handles it this way. I do think you can tell Soriano he’s hitting 5th, just build up the role for him in a positive way, e.g., more RBIs, using his power, protecting him from injury,extremely positive fan response, you can be as reckless and indulgent in your pitch selection as you like at 5th.

How many more years do we have to endure this B.S. under his contract, 6-7?

At 34 when his power is down, has little speed, and is a (-) in the field, it’s going to be pretty ugly. But Hendry might not be here then to have to unload that deal so it’s no biggie.

by DudeVf11 on May 4, 2008 9:24 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Alfie.....

Hass to do better than 1-5….2-5 and no extras…...

The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on May 3, 2008 9:08 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Lou looking like Rusty

Why didn’t Lou put in a runner for Zambrano ? That for sure cost a run and why take a chance of injury with your best pitcher ?
I haven;t been a big fan of Hill for a long time …. don;t like his High School Curve, it might work if he had a dominate fastball that he could locate like Wood ten years ago.
Fonse should be batting 9th till he gets it togeter….. and get the project “Korey Pie outta there he needs to be traded while there is some value….. I don’t think he will ever be a major leauge hitter…........... Put Johnson in CF leading off and stay with it

by nimblenikelfoos on May 3, 2008 9:29 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Im not sure there was much thought behind this post

You can’t pitch hit for Zambrano in the 3rd, its too early to use a position player that you might need later in the game. That’s the reason that Lou pulled Ward back and used Zambrano, so he could use Ward or a pinch runner in a more meaningful situation or if someone had gotten hurt (Ramirez did last night).

Can’t argue with Hill, but Soriano I hope him hitting 9th was a joke. Perhaps we have Tony on our message board. I agree he needs to move down (5-6 hole) but 9? Lets be real here.

And perhaps the biggest problem with your post is the Korey Pie comment. As I’ve said a million times, that is not a fair comparison in any way. Pie has had success at every minor league lever, Patterson did not. Pie was managed correctly and given time to move up the ladder, Patterson was pushed through the organization too quickly. Patterson had an injury which set his career back several years (or completely ruined it), Pies been healthy, sans a twisted ball. The only comparisons that can be made are that the are both CF, Left handed, and highly touted. But that is where the comparisons stop.

Aramis Ramirez- NL MVP
Kosuke Fukudome- NL ROY
Carlos Marmol- Rolaids Relief Man

by sheamcmurray on May 3, 2008 12:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Lou see's more that we are not seeing

Cubs got off to a fast start for a number of reasons; team-wise runs scored, DLee, Fukudome, DeRosa, Theriot, Johnson, Soto, Cedeno hitting alot. Blanco has returned healthy, Fontenot is actually hitting the consistently, Marmol has been almost unhittable, Woody has not been consistent, sometimes dominant but not K dominant, the bats are finding his ball. Z has started well as has Dempster, Marquis is Marquis, but Lilly & Hill are not right. Pie is struggling to hang on.

The worst has been Soriano, he did get a redemption HR last night, a real team redemption for the moment but I think Lou and those fundamental players on the team might be coming to the end of this selfish act.

Fukudome and DLee are the soul of the team, Wood is somewhat the locker room leader where he possesses that personality that when he fails he admits it, but the approach by Lee and Fukudome have rubbed off. It must be how Dome approaches each day in a highly disciplined and focused manner, very professional. Soriano on the other hand might be sloppy, dependent on his extraordinary talent and what that talent will reap for him, thus the inability or unwillingness to hit other than leadoff. I am projecting here but hitting lead off and hitting that first inning HR is a big stage identity thing. (see below, he doesn’t think about situational hitting, merely hacking…). what is worse is his failings in making those catches near the wall, he has ‘alligator arms’, something is missing.

I am going to say this, I don’t think the Cubs and Soriano are going to last, possibly much sooner than later meaning this year. Here is a thought; the Mariners have started out very bad where even Ichiro with his $17M contract through 2012 is not hitting. They traded away the OF future of the franchise to Baltimore for Bedard and they got nothing but a 34 year old who is not hitting. Here is a thought; trade Soriano’s $17M for Ichiro’s $17M and possibly an exchange of prospects like Pie for Truinfel. (Mariners have a young SS and Cubs have the OF now covered with Colvin coming up to possibly play LF), heck it could be Soriano and Hill also!

Ichiro and Dome could team up as the Japan Connection in the OF, and Cubs could play Johnson in LF. Soriano could play RF in Seattle’s dome which would be a more natural position. Either way Piniella is not happy and that is plain to see.

Soriano just doesn’t fit, I didn’t think it would take less than a year but that is the effect of Dome. Other thoughts are how impatient Piniella is getting with Hill, I see him going too. Lou’s contention is that he is now a 3rd year pro who has the tools and should be able to throw the ball for strikes. Sending Hart down to start is a sign the Cubs are looking to make changes.

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on May 3, 2008 9:30 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Soriano is classic 2nd division "star" ballplayer

He puts up wondrous personal statistics on dog teams with little expectation for team wins. Look at 2004 and 2005 in Texas and 2006 in Washington. There was little accountability for team wins on the shoulders of Soriano. He could got up to the plate and just hack his way to sexy personal statistics. Didn’t matter if he struck out a lot or failed to do the little things like advance the runner, lay down the sac bunt, hit behind the runner, etc. Nope. He could concentrate on hitting a ton of meaningless home runs and stealing a bunch of meaningless bases.

But put him in a situation where the expectations are high for winning? All of a sudden his flaws are magnified. All of a sudden he can’t concentrate on padding the numbers on the back of his bubble gum card. All of a sudden his warts and flaws become greatly magnified.

by MDBNIU on May 3, 2008 9:41 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Some might not want to hear that but

That sounds just about right. I think that once his play slips just even a little bit the fans in Wrigley will make it very tough for him. After seeing guys like Fukudome and a better approach from the majority of the lineup I don’t think they will simply stand for a guy who hacks away the same way everytime irrespective of the game situation.

by Luis on May 3, 2008 9:47 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I agree 100%

But I also think as he has aged, he has also gotten worse. His bat seems a teeny bit slower (although it is fast by anyone else’s standards), and his legs are much worse. Oh well…

by zevkalman on May 3, 2008 10:09 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

If Soriano was a team player

He would already be using a lighter bat, for starters.

by Luis on May 3, 2008 10:11 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

NOT TRUE FACTUALLY!

Soriano’s seasons in Texas were his WORST statistically and you neglect to mention his years as a Yankee where he made a name for himself to begin with. Are you seriously going to say that NY’s fans and press, not to mention, management have low expectations? There are legitimate gripes about Soriano- why b.s.? The rest of what you said is the usual stuff you ALWAYS say and is just…..I have no words for that. Maybe if you stick to reality in the anti-Soriano campaign you’re leading, you might do better convincing people.

"Baseball is like church- many attend, few understand." ~ Leo Durocher

by The Lip on May 3, 2008 2:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I do agree with Ivy

If you were playing that childhood game of one of these things is not like the other, Soriano would be that one thing. He just doesn’t approach the game the way the rest of the team does and that is more magnified this year vs. last year.

Hopefully Sori will get on a tear soon and prove us all wrong

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 3, 2008 9:43 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

When I played up to high school a player like Soriano

Who is displaying this kind of misspelling of TEAM and spelling it I-TEAM….meaning I am before the team, would be slowly shunned by the team. Watch to see how the Dominicans react to him. Last night Rami came out of the locker room and sat next to Soriano, where Lou walked up to Rami and asked how his wrist was, where Rami nodded as to say it will be okay, although I doubt that Rami plays today. Look for DeRosa at 3B. The watch if DeRosa plays LF tomorrow night on national TV.

Lou might call it the new DeRosa rotation but the signal will be unmistakable to the the team that National TV audience might not see Soriano.

Back in the day we had two players who were stars, the catcher who was my neighbor and a personality like Wood. Ken was also on my Little League, Pony League and Colt League teams, he was our school’s fullback in ‘73 & ‘74 and leading rusher in the old Eastern Suburban Catholic Conference. In ‘73 we also had Bobby who went to Advanced A ball with the Twins, he was also a leader. We had another player who carried himself as a star baby and he was shunned.

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on May 3, 2008 10:21 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

cubs

hill is gone for sure.he,ll be relegated to murton-land.we saw what happend to matt when he got on lou,s bad side due to poor play. lou has no patience left for hill. i say aaa looms.and losing all these 0ne run games or late inning games does not bode well for oct.could the cards be gearing up for a runaway?????

by NOMAR on May 3, 2008 9:41 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Get Marshall Extended

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 3, 2008 9:42 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

He has been terrific...and gone about his bullpen

...role very professionally.

Felix Pie must play everyday!

by JB 23 on May 3, 2008 9:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Right, but...

... I wouldn’t want to see him try to six or seven innings right now—he hasn’t been stretched out.

Idea: Send Marshall AND Hill to Iowa. Bring up Ascanio and Cotts. Put Lieber in the rotation. There! Problem solved.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 3, 2008 11:48 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Sori

My DVR skipped somehow and it came back right after the Sorianos homer. I was very excited because I saw the score line first. THEN, they showed the replay and I went from happy to pissed. Soriano, after an absolutely terrible game has the nerve to admire that homerun and smack his helmet like a punk.

Run the goddarn bases….who the hell do you think you are? Selfish. Just the reason why all the security gaurds otuside of wrigley told me that Sori was “the biggest prick” unless the cameras are on.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 3, 2008 9:41 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

NOMAR or is it NoMORE and Hammer

Hill is a value other teams will take, where a lefty is someone who has 9 lives in MLB, look at Villone. So if Hill goes down he will be traded, possibly in a deal brewing. Reds also want to revamp and the GM there likes taking chances on talent, maybe the Cubs make a deal for Griffey…who knows, but Lou is only impatient when teams don’t win and players don’t perform.

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on May 3, 2008 9:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I can't see Hill being traded anytime soon.

He will certainly get his chances to get himself straightened out. You just don’t trade starting pitcher with high ceiling for rental player.

by Luis on May 3, 2008 9:49 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Cardinals are a LOT stronger than I thought

Rick Ankiel can rake. Obviously he can no longer be juiced, so it must be talent that is getting the job done. Two worries about that team….Troy Glaus rounding into shape and the return of Mark Mulder to what already is a remarkably good starting rotation.

by MDBNIU on May 3, 2008 9:49 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

I cant wait for Mulder to come back

he is not good. There….......cant wait to light him up

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 3, 2008 9:56 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Steroids.

My 08 Cubs record 4-0
My 08 W.Sox record 0-2 (I havent seen a sox win in 3 years)
Updated April 26th

by Rudey on May 3, 2008 9:57 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Well, if they continue to get the performances they're getting

out of Wellemeyer, and Thompson, and Lohse, and Pinero, then they’ll be tough. They’ve got a bunch of 4th and 5th starters working perfectly. Gotta give the credit to Larussa and Duncan-Those guys are the best in the league. But, I discovered something last night. I used to be scared of the Cardinals because I knew they were better than the Cubs. Not anymore. Those guys are, to use an old golf phrase, ham-and-egging it. They’re competitive, but we’ve got a better club. Hell, we almost beat them last night-we had them worried in any case—and we played the worst game I’ve seen us play all year (by far) and they had Wainwright going.

Lou has got to take control of this thing. Soriano is a major problem. The homerun was funny—and exciting. But, that guy needs boot camp or something. He’s a mess. At this point, I’d be happy to see the Cubs eat about 60 mil and try to make a trade. What I wouldn’t give to swap him for Ichiro.

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on May 3, 2008 11:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

A contrarian approach

Before i get into this let me first say I don’t absolve Rich Hill for his control problems and for his fragile psyche, he is very much part of the problem.

However, does anyone else see this Catch22 Lou has developed with Hill?

Lou has complained that Hill has been “aiming” the ball rather than throwing it, suggesting that this is more of a mental problem than anything else. Well I’d certainly agree with that assessment, but if you acknowledge the player you’re working with is having a mental block that they can’t get past and you acknowledge its a confidence problem do you really think your antsy tactics are going to improve his confidence????

While Hill has showed this ridiculous control problem here’s what Lou has done:

1) Threated to move him to the bullpen immediately after his first bad start
2) Back off the comments but outwardly show a lack of confidence in the player by suggesting that “something” needs to be done
3) Suggest that he might need to be sent down to Iowa to figure things out
4) Skip his spot in the rotation
5) Remove him in the first inning of a game with Izturis and the pitcher coming up, instead of letting him work through it

Now again, Hill is at fault here for not being able to overcome this issue and throw the ball with confidence, but if you have an admittedly fragile player dealing with confidence issues do you think its the best idea to be peering over his shoulder every pitch he throws???

I don’t understand the tactic. If every move you make as a manager is a sign that you have no confidence in the player when the player is having a confidence issue, how is the player going to garner any confidence????

Am I the only one who notices this? Len and Bob seem VERY protective of Lou in the broadcast with Len going as far to say Lou was doing this to PROTECT Rich’s confidence?? How the heck does that work?

by DartmouthCubsFan on May 3, 2008 9:54 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Unbelievable....it's Lou's fault ????

The PROBLEM is straightforward. Rich Hill is a two pitch pitcher who can’t get his great curveball over the plate and has a fastball that sucks. Every team works from a scouting report, and the scouting report on Hill right now is simple. Wait for him to walk you. Either that or sit on his crappy fastball.

by MDBNIU on May 3, 2008 10:02 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

yes that was the point of my post

or if you actually read the post you’d notice that i suggest twice that Hill is culpable

“Before i get into this let me first say I don’t absolve Rich Hill for his control problems and for his fragile psyche, he is very much part of the problem.”

“Now again, Hill is at fault here for not being able to overcome this issue and throw the ball with confidence, but if you have an admittedly fragile player dealing with confidence issues do you think its the best idea to be peering over his shoulder every pitch he throws???”

I’m suggesting Lou is equally a part of the problem for his handling of the player. If Lou’s job as a manager is to put players in the best position to succeed, his handling of a player with a very fragile psyche has done nothing to help him garner confidence

Rich Hill is the main problem

Lou’s handling of him isn’t getting us any closer to solving the problem

by DartmouthCubsFan on May 3, 2008 10:04 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Well..

If on top of everything else Rich Hill also has a fragile pscyhe, then he has zero business being on the 25 man roster. This is a meritocracy and a playoff challenging team. Either Rich Hill gets the job done or Rich Hill is out of here.

by MDBNIU on May 3, 2008 10:07 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Re:

Rich Hill also has a fragile pscyhe,

How is it that you’re aware of the mind-states of persons who only see on TV?

You have a gift, my friend. Don’t hide that under a bushel basket.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 3, 2008 11:07 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

i'm the one

who believes Rich has a fragile psyche. I noted it above

While admittedly i’m not in his head, i’d suggest the traits of “aiming” the ball and not finishing through the pitch as Len and Bob and many others have suggested before show a “tentativeness” to Hill’s pitching. To me that suggests he’s lost his confidence. As a former athlete, i’m aware of losing confidence and this often leads to tentativeness and “getting tight”. I think that’s where Hill is at right now. He’s terrified of success and trying to aim the ball to make sure he doesn’t BB anyone, because he knows if he does he’s getting yanked or sent to the bullpen or sent down

by DartmouthCubsFan on May 3, 2008 11:41 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs