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Open Thread: Cubs vs. Cardinals, Saturday 5/3, 2:45 CT

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Chicago Cubs
@ St. Louis Cardinals

Saturday, May 3, 2008, 2:45 PM CDT
Busch Stadium

Ted Lilly vs Kyle Lohse

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Presto!

The magic Fox wizard has deigned to make the Cubs/Cardinals game the primary game this afternoon, even though there's a game involving a team from New York (the Mets/Diamondbacks game) as one of the other choices. Someone's probably going to get fired at Fox over that. However, 65% of the USA will see the Cub game -- last year, I posted the list of cities, since it was usually short, but this list is too long. You can check to see if the game's on in your market by clicking on this link.

Today's Starting Pitchers
Ted Lilly
T. Lilly
Cubs
vs. Kyle Lohse
K. Lohse
Cardinals
1-4 W-L 3-0
6.46 ERA 2.36
25 SO 14
13 BB 8
4 HR 0
vs. StL -- vs. Cubs

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Ted Lilly 1-4 6 6 0 0 0 0 30.2 33 22 22 4 13 25 6.46 1.50


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Kyle Lohse 3-0 6 6 0 0 0 0 34.1 32 9 9 0 8 14 2.36 1.17

Kyle Lohse, if you don't recall the trade, was once a Cub farmhand. He went to the Twins in the Rick Aguilera deal on May 21, 1999 -- as a throw-in. The guy Minnesota wanted was Jason Ryan, at the time a top pitching prospect. Aguilera didn't do much for the Cubs and Ryan washed out after 24 major league appearances. But Lohse, the throw-in, has started over 200 major league games (despite a 4.72 career ERA). The Cubs also got Scott Downs in the deal; he eventually went to the Expos for Rondell White. He has faced the Cubs four times in his career and is 1-1, 3.89. We keep waiting for Alfonso Soriano to hit; Lohse is someone he has hit well (12-for-28, .429/.429/.714). Mark DeRosa is 6-for-13 against Lohse, and Lohse has never retired Aramis Ramirez (5-for-5, 2 doubles, a HR).

Ted Lilly got off to a rough start but has thrown well in each of his last two starts. It's almost imperative that he go 7 innings today, as the bullpen is showing dangerous signs of overwork. Lilly is 3-2, 2.93 lifetime vs. the Cardinals and has a 2.08 career ERA in St. Louis.

Since today's game is on Fox, clicking on the MLB.com Mediacenter link won't get you to the Cub telecast. I post it for informational purposes anyway. (And yes, the posted starting time is 2:45 CT; for some reason the early-season Fox games are at 2:45, but later they're moved back to 2:55.)

MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)

MLB.com Gameday (2008 version)

Baseball-reference.com game preview

Today's overflow comment thread will post at 4:15 CT.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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damn too bad ARam probably wont be in the lineup today

Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by DC Cubbie on May 3, 2008 11:53 AM CDT   0 recs

Why?

He seemed OK. I think he was just taken out as a precaution.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 3, 2008 12:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He won't play today.

From the Trib:

Adding to the Cubs’ troubles, Aramis Ramirez was hit by a pitch in the left wrist and left the game later on. X-rays on the wrist proved negative, but Ramirez said the swelling is so severe that he doubted he’d be able to play on Saturday.

by cwyers on May 3, 2008 12:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It says "doubted".

And, I missed that. Thanks. Maybe he can play by tomorrow night.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 3, 2008 12:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Soooooo...

DeRosa @ 3rd today?

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 3, 2008 1:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Whoops...

...I didn’t read below far enough. Damn me slaps self.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 3, 2008 1:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's probably the primary game

because of Joe Buck’s previous ties to the Cardinals, and the long-standing rivalry between the Cubs and the Cards.

by false cognate on May 3, 2008 12:17 PM CDT   0 recs

I doubt Fox cares about Buck's previous ties...

... and I’m still surprised Fox isn’t foisting the Mets on most of the country.

But that’s good news for Cubs fans, as that gives pretty good odds the game will be on in most regions, except areas around New York, Phoenix, Baltimore and Los Angeles (the third game is Orioles/Angels).

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 3, 2008 12:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Amazing, if true...

... that Fox would actually do that. Remember, Arizona has the best record in baseball.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 3, 2008 12:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes, but the Cubs and Cards have more fans combined across the country than the Diamondbacks.

That equals better ratings. Plus Fox will show the NY-Arizona game in those teams markets, anyway. So, it’s a win-win situation for them, if we look at it this way.

by Fraggin Judge on May 3, 2008 12:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Point taken.

n/t

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 3, 2008 12:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and denver

we’re stuck with the d-backs here. at least there’s always pat and ron…..

"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella

by anormal on May 3, 2008 12:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

BTW,

Readers can watch the game through MLB.TV’s Mediacenter if they do not live in the 50 United States, Washington D.C., Guam, the U.S.V.I., Canada, South Korea or Japan.

In another related matter, I’m glad that MLB.TV eliminated the blackout for those games starting around 1:00 P.M. They need to do the same on EI.

by Fraggin Judge on May 3, 2008 12:34 PM CDT   0 recs

I'm worried about Rami

Wrist xrays are not conclusive. Too many small bones in the wrist that fractures are hard to pick up. If Rami goes on the DL, does that leave DeRosa as our 3rd baseman?

by coral on May 3, 2008 12:35 PM CDT   0 recs

That said, I don't think it's likely.

There’s some swelling, but for the time being, I’d go ahead and have some cautious faith in the x-ray results.

by cwyers on May 3, 2008 12:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Quick poll:

Who here thinks that, if Ramirez sits, Cedeno plays? Who thinks Fontenot plays?

by cwyers on May 3, 2008 12:36 PM CDT   0 recs

I wish it were Cedeno,

but iFontenot

3B—Derosa

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 3, 2008 12:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No idea why that happened!

Anyhoo, here’s my take:

I hope we see Cedeno, but here’s what we’ll probably see:

SS—Scraptastic Mustasche Man

2B—Fontenot

3B—Derosa

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 3, 2008 12:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Cedeno

he better be playing over Fontenot. Lou was saying the other day he needs to find away to get him in the line-up. I can understand not playing over Theriot with him hitting so well, but there’s no reason why Fontenot should start over him.

by cubsfan25 on May 3, 2008 12:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Other than the fact

that Lou seems obsessed with getting LH bats in the lineup.

I agree with you, though. Ronny should play over Fonty.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 3, 2008 12:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And lefties are hitting much better so far this season...

...versus Lohse than righties. Lou puts more stock into these kinds of things than I do.

by cwyers on May 3, 2008 12:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Lohse is quite hittable

Nice guy (did a PSA with him a few years back) but not all that great on the mound. Today, presuming Lilly can get Cardinals out, we ought to be able to bounce back.

And I did see Ramirez moving his hand and fingers last night on the CU after he got hit – I suspect it’s just a nasty contusion and he’ll be OK with some ice and rest.

by MN exile on May 3, 2008 1:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, just off the top of my head..

I’d say play the hot bat, over the potential lefty-righty matchup. So, Cedeno would be my bet.

Why do you ask?

by Damen Jackson on May 3, 2008 1:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Got an hour till game time, and trying to amuse myself...

...why I try and reteach myself geometry, so I thought I’d start a conversation that wasn’t TOO controversial.

by cwyers on May 3, 2008 1:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This Week in Baseball reminder - Cubs feature

IIRC, this week’s This Week in Baseball is going to a have feature on the Cubs. So tune into your local FOX coverage at 2pm Central if you want to check out. TWIB goes for a half hour.

Then at 2:30, make a beer/pizza run, take out the garbage, play with the kids, call your mother, clean the dust out from behind the refrigerator, trim your toenails, start today’s Sudoku puzzle in the paper, walk the dog, throw a load of laundry in, change the kitty litter, catch the eye of your significant other and raise your eyebrows while nodding in the general direction of the bedroom, curse today’s Sudoku puzzle in the paper, sort your recyclables… in short, DO ANYTHING but watch FOX TV for the next 15 minutes – save your eyes and ears from the onslaught of Jeanne Zelasko baseball babble…

Then come back at 2:45 and settle in your comfy chair where you can either watch the start of the game if the 2:45 posted time is right, or worst case – listen to Buck McCarver for ten more minutes until a 2:55 game start time.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on May 3, 2008 12:36 PM CDT   0 recs

15 minutes.....

you only allot 15 minutes? Record TWIB and watch it during the commercial breaks….your S/O will thank you…..

by coral on May 3, 2008 12:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Will today be the day

Ted Lilly gets his velocity back? If Lilly isn’t throwing 3-4 miles per hour faster, he’s going to need to have good control to pitch well today.

by cubsfan25 on May 3, 2008 12:37 PM CDT   0 recs

On WGN...

Polish Constituion Day Parade has now started…..

by coral on May 3, 2008 1:02 PM CDT   0 recs

The game will also be available nationwide on Fox Sports En Español.

For those who have that channel on their cable or satellite package. The video feed is the same from the Fox network, but with in-studio Spanish-language play-by-play announcers.

by Fraggin Judge on May 3, 2008 1:28 PM CDT   0 recs

big game boys

Lilly needs to pitch good again and reclaim his past glory of last year and strike fear in the OPPOSITION!!!

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 3, 2008 1:34 PM CDT   0 recs

burp

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 3, 2008 1:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Lilly striking fear fear....funny

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 3, 2008 1:35 PM CDT   0 recs

What the hell Lou..

what is your fetish with Fontenot. I know Cedeno isn’t Derek Jeter, but he is alot better than Fontenot… and I could care less about a damn left handed bat, Cedeno is a better option right now.

Linueps
Soriano
Theriot
Lee
Fukudome
DeRosa
Fontenot
Soto
Johnson
Lilly

by Unique on May 3, 2008 1:36 PM CDT   0 recs

what the

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 3, 2008 1:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

fontenot

are youserious

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 3, 2008 1:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ccards 6 cubs 3

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 3, 2008 1:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and the Cards...

LF Schumaker
2B Ryan
1B Pujols
RF Ludwick
3B Glaus
CF Ankiel
C Molina
P Lohse
SS Izturis

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on May 3, 2008 1:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

why

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 3, 2008 1:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Because I asked the question earlier...

...if people thought Lou would play Fontenot. I dunno, maybe if I don’t bring it up Lou forgets that Fontenot exists.

by cwyers on May 3, 2008 1:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ha

yeah Cedeno would be nice today

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 3, 2008 1:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd hit Cedeno 2nd today

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 3, 2008 1:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that is the gest part

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 3, 2008 1:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Pie is bad

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 3, 2008 1:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

which kind - Felix or Lemon? ;-)

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on May 3, 2008 1:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

trick question!!!!

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 3, 2008 1:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Let's presume for the moment that Pie is bad...

...just for the sake of arguement.

Lou is already committing to putting bad players in the lineup just so he can get more left-handed batters into the lineup. In that event, why not play the one who isn’t a a gaping hole on defense?

by cwyers on May 3, 2008 1:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Because they need offense today

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 3, 2008 1:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

actually I hear youon this one CW

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 3, 2008 1:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I wouldn't mind seeing Pie getting some hacks today

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 3, 2008 1:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Felix Pie sucks

It’s a wasted roster spot. I think Sweet Lou is sick and tired about dancing around this issue. Get him out of here. The sooner the better.

by MDBNIU on May 3, 2008 1:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Go away.

n/t

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 3, 2008 1:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And Mike Fontenot

is a sparkling example of a ballplayer, huh?

Read a book.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 3, 2008 2:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Let's not forget that both this season and over the past two seasons

Felix Pie has a higher OPS v. right handed pitchers than Reed Johnson.

Lou’s lost it.

by DGU on May 3, 2008 1:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

AGGHHH

...And Soriano gets reinforcement for his crappy day yesterday.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 3, 2008 1:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't like the lineup

Mike Fontenot is too big a liability at 2nd base. He can’t turn the double play and doesn’t go to his right. Why not use this as an opportunity to play Ronny Cedeno? Yet another strange move by Sweet Lou. He’s having a bad week.

by MDBNIU on May 3, 2008 1:45 PM CDT   0 recs

I agree

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 3, 2008 1:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Lou is playing the Rightie Lefty thing

too mucch

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 3, 2008 1:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Fontenot is hot though

which is why Lou is going with him

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 3, 2008 1:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I wouldn't hit him 7th though

hellzz no

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 3, 2008 1:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i mean 6th

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 3, 2008 1:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ughhh

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 3, 2008 1:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

wanna make 20 posts in a row again?

:-)

2008 Cubs: Why Beat A Team in Regulation, when you can beat them in extras?

by Chanman25 on May 3, 2008 1:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

if you'd shot up!!!

:)

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 3, 2008 1:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Someone needs to ask Lou after the game

if he thought about the fact that Felix Pie hits right-handed pitchers better than Reed Johnson.

by DGU on May 3, 2008 1:54 PM CDT   0 recs

Felix Pie is done in a Cub uniform

The organization has given up on him. It’s not something I wish, rather something I firmly believe. Pie will be gone within a month. Perhaps out of the organization completely.

by MDBNIU on May 3, 2008 1:56 PM CDT to parent up