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Chicago Cubs
@ Cincinnati Reds

Monday, May 5, 2008, 6:10 PM CDT
Great American Ball Park

Mostly clear. Winds blowing out to center field at 5-10 m.p.h. Game Time temperature: Around 70.

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Afternoon headlines:
Today's Starting Pitchers
Ryan Dempster
R. Dempster
Cubs		 vs. Johnny Cueto
J. Cueto
Reds
4-0 W-L 1-3
3.16 ERA 5.40
22 SO 33
19 BB 6
2 HR 6
vs. Cin -- vs. Cubs
W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Ryan Dempster 4-0 6 6 0 0 0 0 37.0 22 15 13 2 19 22 3.16 1.11
W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Johnny Cueto 1-3 6 6 0 0 0 0 35.0 32 23 21 6 6 33 5.40 1.09

Cueto started out great this year, allowing one hit to the Diamondbacks and striking out ten in his major league debut. Since then he's gotten progressively worse, going 0-3, 6.43 and allowing 5 HR in 28 IP. Dusty let him throw 55 pitches in 1.2 innings in his last start vs. the Cardinals. This will be his first appearance against the Cubs.

Ryan Dempster threw well enough, not great, against the Reds in Wrigley Field on April 15. While going six innings, he walked five; walks have been the Cubs' downfall the last few days, so Dempster has to have better command. Adam Dunn, in particular, walks a ton vs. Dempster: in 15 PA, he has walked nine times.

Today's game is on WCIU. Thus, you're out of luck in the Cubs' market area unless your EI feed (or MLB.TV) gets you FSN Ohio. More at the MLB.com Mediacenter.

MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)

MLB.com Gameday (2008 version)

Baseball-reference.com game preview

For the Reds fan point of view, check out the SBN Reds site Red Reporter. And remember if you go there, they hate us. (Just ask Marty Brennaman if you don't believe me.)

Today's overflow comment thread will post at 7:45 pm CT.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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Probably not

You should be blacked out of all Cubs games there AFAIK. Unless you play the proxy server game (which is likely a breach of contract move), you are likely out of luck.

by Qixotl on May 5, 2008 4:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Thank you India!

I’ve been playing that proxy game for years now and I don’t think MLB.TV is ever going to worry too much about it as long as your payment goes through. Up until this year the service wasn’t worth paying for with 5 teams blacked out a night here but MLB has finally relented on St. Louis and KC….and maybe the Twins, I just haven’t had any reason to check them out yet.

I could understand the move back in the day when we had 162+ games televised to us but with more and more games moved to local TV the blackout rules are insane. Proxies are also quite handy for national and postseason games as well.

by GSG on May 5, 2008 4:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Google is your friend

There are quite a few lists of public proxy servers, sometimes it takes a while to find one that works.

by GSG on May 5, 2008 5:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Ugh, FSN Ohio

I may have to see if I can find a creative way to sync the MLB.TV feed with the Gameday Audio stream of Pat and Ron. If I don’t, I’ll probably wake up tomorrow with laryngitis after screaming at the Reds’ booth morons all night.

by Qixotl on May 5, 2008 4:23 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

One more headline, in case you missed it.

Jacque Jones DFA’d.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 5, 2008 4:29 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

just came on to post it

you beat me to it. I’m partial to Jacques because I caught his HR ball at Wrigley so I feel bad for him.

Bleeding Cubbie Blue since 1985.

by Bricks and Ivy on May 5, 2008 4:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Wow. I'm not terribly surprised, except to wonder what took the Tigers so long.

I do feel bad for the guy, though. It wasn’t his fault that Hendry brought him, his mediocre bat and bad throwing arm to Chicago. He was really a nice guy. Not his fault.

by zevkalman on May 5, 2008 4:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

We get

FSN Ohio. I just don’t want to listen to good ol’ Marty so I might turn the radio on too.

Let’s win this one boys.

by sue369 on May 5, 2008 4:36 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Al, you're right. They really do hate us.

I visited the site, and they’re all pissed about Dempster being 4-0. Anyway, check out this little game they have called “Whack a Cub”. Play it here:

http://www.red-hot-mama.com/2007-whack_a_cub.html

If you don’t whack enough Cubs at the end of the game, you get this: “You’re not very good at this or not trying. Sounds like you can make it in the Cubs rotation.”

Aren’t they silly? :-)

by zevkalman on May 5, 2008 4:39 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

That's not fair

We don’t hate you. At least I don’t. I’ve had some great drunken discussions with the throngs of Cubs fans that show up at GABP.

The Dempster hate is justified, he wasn’t worth a damn in Cincy. Here’s hoping he walks in front of a mirror at some point before the game and realizes he’s Ryan Dempster.

Plus I’m too busy praying we don’t sign Jacque Jones for $3 million prorated to really hate anyone right now.

Please Note: I may be totally full of shit.

by jch24 on May 5, 2008 4:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Oh but think of the fun you

could have watching Jacque throw the ball such that it lands 20 feet in front of him and rolls to the cut off man. You never, ever have to worry about him missing the cut off man. It’s loads of fun!!

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 5, 2008 4:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

The same kind of fun

I have watching Patterson throw up another 0-4 out of the leadoff spot?

Please Note: I may be totally full of shit.

by jch24 on May 5, 2008 4:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yup

that’s the fun of which I speak :).

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 5, 2008 4:59 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Corey Patterson (CF) needs Jacque Jones (RF) to be near him for full effect.

I’d pray instead you don’t sign Neifi Perez for 2nd base, or Freddie Bynum for LF. :-)

by zevkalman on May 5, 2008 4:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Whack-A-Cub

And if you do well (I got 68 but felt dirty doing it) you get the comment that you just outdid Dusty Baker as the Cub-whacking champion or something like that.

Fun game. =)

"ROUS's? Rats of Unusual Size. Don't worry, they don't exist."

by iluvryno on May 5, 2008 4:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

93

My 08 Cubs record 4-0
My 08 W.Sox record 0-2 (I havent seen a sox win in 3 years)
Updated April 26th

by Rudey on May 5, 2008 5:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

-7

I was aimin for the Reds

by MDBNIU on May 5, 2008 5:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

LOL

"ROUS's? Rodents of Unusual Size. Don't worry, they don't exist."
http://margaritagirl11.spaces.live.com/

by iluvryno on May 5, 2008 5:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

To be honest

Jones couldn’t be much worse than soriano right now, could he? At least jacque can catch the ball

by CubsBall2202 on May 5, 2008 4:39 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Yabbut...

... he can’t throw it.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 5, 2008 4:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Check out the picture in the game thread over at the Red Reporter...

...is santoswoodenlegs two-timing on us?

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 5, 2008 4:45 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Cincy is real bad

Cubs will hit Cueto. The kind of hard-throwing righty the new Cub lineup has thrived on.

by MDBNIU on May 5, 2008 4:52 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Why I am glad Cubs fans not as "good" as Yankees & Bosox

Not worth it’s own sidebar but here is a story that makes me happy that Cubs
fans are not as “dedicated” and “committed” as Yankees and Red Sox fans.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3382644

by Doggie Stalker on May 5, 2008 4:56 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Win Probabilities

Simulator: Cubs 50.87%
LV Hilton Sports Book: Cubs 48.78%

vr, Xeifrank

by Xeifrank on May 5, 2008 5:16 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Thats not very good.

I would give us 60-70%

My 08 Cubs record 4-0
My 08 W.Sox record 0-2 (I havent seen a sox win in 3 years)
Updated April 26th

by Rudey on May 5, 2008 5:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Wasn't Cueto the mutant leader in Total Recall?

Quick, somebody post a scary picture.

In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this -Oysterband

by Ross on May 5, 2008 5:17 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Line up Still no A-Ram Geo hitting 5th today

A. Soriano lf
R. Theriot ss
D. Lee 1b
K. Fukudome rf
G. Soto c
M. DeRosa 3b
M. Fontenot 2b
F. Pie cf
R. Dempster p

A ugly win is better than a pretty loss-Lou

by NIUcubbie on May 5, 2008 5:23 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Looks like

Strikeout
Walk/Single
Ground out to SS/3B side
Walk/single
1-4 double, 1rbi
0-4 4 strikeouts (bases loaded of course)
3-4 2 singles, 1 double
3 k’s and a warning track popout
67 sac bunts

My 08 Cubs record 4-0
My 08 W.Sox record 0-2 (I havent seen a sox win in 3 years)
Updated April 26th

by Rudey on May 5, 2008 5:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Hope Pie takes

advantage of his chance to start. I would love to have seen Ronny get a start tonight.

by sue369 on May 5, 2008 5:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Line-up

would like to see Cedeno at 2b instead of Fontenot. But I can’t really blame Lou for not putting him in there since Fontenot has hit well the last few days. Lets hope Cueto continues his recent struggles, and Dempster keeps being very hard to hit(172 against this year).

by cubsfan25 on May 5, 2008 5:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Flip flop

Soriano and Fontenot. I want Ronnie in there, but Fonty’s been getting on a lot lately. Thought Felix should have started last night against Wellemeyer. Hope he gets a few hits.

Let’s go boys – get a lead early and cruise – need a win!!!

Soriano should hit 5th. Period.

by Canadian Cubs Fan on May 5, 2008 5:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

lmao

i didnt have the heart to whack a cub.

Go Cubbies Go!!!!!!

by cubsluver22 on May 5, 2008 5:24 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

I feel a big night...

...out of Soriano.

2 HRs – 3 RBIs – one outfield assist – only 2Ks?

Sooner or later he is due :)

"Be the change you wish to see in the world." -Gandhi

by ilovepie on May 5, 2008 5:41 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

over 8 days

yea maybe

My 08 Cubs record 4-0
My 08 W.Sox record 0-2 (I havent seen a sox win in 3 years)
Updated April 26th

by Rudey on May 5, 2008 5:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

How bout four K's...

...on 13 pitches, 4 first-pitch strikes.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 5, 2008 5:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Reminds of an old Second City routine

this is gonna date me of course but Second City always used to have
one good Cub skit in every show.
One year they had Dave Kingman striking out ON A PICK OFF PITCH TO FIRST
( while Buckner crawled back to 1st) that is what I think Soriano would do if he could.

by Doggie Stalker on May 5, 2008 5:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Believe it or not

Soriano only had 2 HR and 4 RBI’s this time a year ago in alot more AB’s. The big difference is Soriano was hitting 303. This year he’s hitting 173 with 3 HR and 10 RBI’s, I’m he will get hot very soon and bring his average up. But people on here gotta stop with Soriano not in the leadoff comments, the guy is there and it’s pretty much set in stone at least for a while.

by cubsfan25 on May 5, 2008 5:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

You're not comparing the same thing...

...you said so…he was hitting .303 last year…and this year he’s half that. That doesn’t justify leadoff material.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 5, 2008 5:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

It's early

Soriano could have a hot week and bring his average up 100 points.

by cubsfan25 on May 5, 2008 6:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Jeff Samardzija

On front page of sportsline.com

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/10813958

"He's been known to cure narcolepsy just by walking into a room. His organ donation card also lists his beard. He's a lover, not a fighter. But he's also a fighter so don't get any ideas. He is....The Most Interesting Man in the World.

by Keystone80435 on May 5, 2008 6:00 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Cedeno

Once again, lost on the bench. WTF???

by muffman on May 5, 2008 6:02 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Damn blackouts.

FSN Ohio is blacked out in Iowa. Guess it’s Pat and Ron then.

by sue369 on May 5, 2008 6:02 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

That's what you get for living in Iowa

"I think Hendry still has a few years to serve on his 'grand larceny' sentence before he can shop in Pittsburgh again" - ballhawk

by NittanyCub on May 5, 2008 6:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

He threw a laser beam to Derrek Lee

off a grounder, IIRC. Didn’t seem to be that bad at 3B.

"I think Hendry still has a few years to serve on his 'grand larceny' sentence before he can shop in Pittsburgh again" - ballhawk

by NittanyCub on May 5, 2008 6:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Hell yes! The play on the line and throwing the runner out by 20 feet had to open even the naysayers eyes. What a great talent! Lou may be stubborn but he isn`t stupid.

by muffman on May 5, 2008 6:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Just great

Instead of getting the very reasonable and underrated George Grande for the Reds broadcasters, we get Thom “Hellspawn” Brennaman.

Least that means no Jeff Brantley.

It's a girl! Born 1-18-08. 2246 PST. 8 lbs. 1 oz.

by Josh77 on May 5, 2008 6:05 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

We like to play a game with tHom

Every time he references the Diamondbacks and “playing the game the right way”, take a drink. It’s a lot like the Scarface drinking game. :)

Please Note: I may be totally full of shit.

by jch24 on May 5, 2008 6:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Lou's Genius Plan to Develop Felix Pie

Sit him against the righty pitchers with fringe stuff that left-handed batters tee off on. Play him against strike out machine phenoms, then shrug your shoulders, say, “I tried everything I could to get him to succeed, now go get me a guy who can hit the durn ball!”

by DGU on May 5, 2008 6:08 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

He's starting against

A guy with a 5.35 ERA. No excuses are needed. It’s not like he’s just starting against Webb. There are many flame throwers in the majors, and that doesn’t guarantee they are good pitchers. Bottom line: Pie is getting a chance against a rookie RHP. I see no reason to criticize that.

by Luis on May 5, 2008 6:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Cueto's a rookie pitcher who has done very well and not so well

Today could easily be a day where he does well. My criticism is about the last 4 RHP – the two most likely to strike out even the best ML hitters are the ones Pie has started against. The two that a LH batter is most likely to demolish he has sat against. Is that the plan you use if you want a young player to grow in his confidence and succeed or the plan you use if you want an excuse to banish a kid?

by DGU on May 5, 2008 6:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

My thoughts exactly

Guys like Josh Fogg and Kyle Lohse are exactly who Felix needs to play against. Instead we get to keep watching Reed Johnson put up that sweet .267/.328/.380 line against right-handers.

by DrunkenSuperman on May 5, 2008 6:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Please Dempster

throw strikes, that has been the only issue with you thus far. Get ahead early and often

by MJMars on May 5, 2008 6:08 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Honestly

Dempster is the least of my worries on the pitching staff so far.

"He's been known to cure narcolepsy just by walking into a room. His organ donation card also lists his beard. He's a lover, not a fighter. But he's also a fighter so don't get any ideas. He is....The Most Interesting Man in the World.

by Keystone80435 on May 5, 2008 6:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Cueto

throws gas. But doesnt look like he has any movement. Cubs should tee off on him second time around.

"He's been known to cure narcolepsy just by walking into a room. His organ donation card also lists his beard. He's a lover, not a fighter. But he's also a fighter so don't get any ideas. He is....The Most Interesting Man in the World.

by Keystone80435 on May 5, 2008 6:12 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Theroit gets one also!

what a nice team

My 08 Cubs record 4-0
My 08 W.Sox record 0-2 (I havent seen a sox win in 3 years)
Updated April 26th

by Rudey on May 5, 2008 6:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Soriano

Once again, he knows how to impress Lou. Kinda reminds me of Bobby Bonds!!

by muffman on May 5, 2008 6:13 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Dempster

is always going to walk his share of people. The difference compared to this year and years past with him starting, is he has been much tougher to hit. When you walk a bunch of people and teams hit 260-290 against you, your gonna struggle. If you walk people, teams only hit 170 against you, and you get ground balls your going to be ok still. For example in Dempsters one good season as a starter teams only hit 243 against him. If Dempster can stay hard to hit and teams only hit 230-240 off him he might stay good.

by cubsfan25 on May 5, 2008 6:13 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

DAMN IT!

"He's been known to cure narcolepsy just by walking into a room. His organ donation card also lists his beard. He's a lover, not a fighter. But he's also a fighter so don't get any ideas. He is....The Most Interesting Man in the World.

by Keystone80435 on May 5, 2008 6:13 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Cueto is

just good when he’s on.

by cubsfan25 on May 5, 2008 6:13 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Every pitch is right down the middle!

Just catch up to it!

"He's been known to cure narcolepsy just by walking into a room. His organ donation card also lists his beard. He's a lover, not a fighter. But he's also a fighter so don't get any ideas. He is....The Most Interesting Man in the World.

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