Indefensible
Mike Fontenot, your plane may be leaving for Des Moines soon.
Last night's 5-3 Cub loss to the Reds wasn't all Fontenot's fault.
Well, wait. Yes, it pretty much was. Fontenot's error on what would likely have been an inning-ending DP ball (yes, I know you can't assume a DP, but a major league 2B has to make that play) opened up the first inning for the Reds to score three unearned runs.
And Fontenot's ill-advised dash to home with the bases loaded and one out in the 9th, on a Francisco Cordero wild pitch that didn't squirt too far away from Paul Bako, probably cost the Cubs at least one run and maybe a chance to tie the game. Incidentally, just like the replay of a play in Toronto on Sunday showed that the White Sox got jobbed on an obvious tag in the infield, replays appeared to show that plate umpire Tim Welke was blocked from seeing Fontenot's foot possibly getting in under Cordero just before Cordero tagged Fontenot; he may very well have been safe.
Still, as Fontenot himself admitted after the game, it wasn't a very good decision.
There was another error made by Mark DeRosa, with two out in the third inning, that would have ended the inning had the play been made. Adam Dunn, the next hitter, nearly hit a ball into Kentucky for a two-run HR that wound up being the difference in the score.
All of this ruined what was actually a fairly-well pitched game by Ryan Dempster -- who struck out seven, walked one, allowed only four hits and actually lowered his ERA to 2.72.
The bottom line is this: Fontenot, for all his grit and hustle, makes too many mistakes to be an everyday player, especially when a hitter as hot as Ronny Cedeno is right now on the bench. What Lou has to do is either get DeRosa back to his normal position at 2B when Aramis Ramirez returns (and man, have the Cubs missed A-Ram the last two days), or get Cedeno in at SS and move Ryan Theriot to 2B, a position he is better suited for.
Let's not fail to give Felix Pie credit for a sensational catch he made, stealing a HR from Ken Griffey Jr. in the fifth inning. It's the second great catch made by a Cub outfielder in the last two weeks -- both of which, including the Reed Johnson diving grab in Washington, came in games the Cubs lost 5-3.
Good idea: Lou says he's going to skip Jason Marquis' turn on the off day Thursday and go with his three best pitchers -- Ted Lilly, Carlos Zambrano and Dempster -- against the Diamondbacks this weekend.
Bad idea: Lou says the Cubs might send Felix Pie to Iowa when Scott Eyre returns, going with 13 pitchers.
I cannot emphasize this enough:
This is a really bad idea.
You need only look at the boxscore from this ridiculous 12-inning Brewers/Cardinals game from April 22 -- only two weeks ago -- to see how bad an idea a 13 or 14 man pitching staff is. Three different pitchers pinch-hit (none of them did anything useful), and because of an injury and a short-handed bench, Tony LaRussa had to play Albert Pujols at second base.Just imagine a scenario where Derrek Lee had to play second base and Prince Fielder barreled into him to break up a double play. A 13-man pitching staff is unnecessary and makes your bench too shorthanded to be of any use; I'm not even convinced a 12-man staff is necessary.
In any case, with Z on the mound tonight, the Cubs can stop this baby two-game losing streak before it gets out of hand.
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You can say it is a Bad Idea -
But come up with a suggestion. Who should be sent down instead?
Hey lets give props to Sammy Sosa Jr (Soriano), last night he fell behind 0-2 AGAIN, and actually walked!!!! Congrats!
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by HIGGY on May 6, 2008 8:37 AM CDT 0 recs
I'm pretty sure Al did give a suggestion...
...Fontenot.
by McCarron on
May 6, 2008 8:47 AM CDT
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Well, yes, but...
... I wouldn’t send Fontenot down for Eyre, because that would accomplish the same thing.
Send Gallagher down when Eyre comes back.
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by Al on
May 6, 2008 9:01 AM CDT
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I wouldnt mind that...
But if Gallagher continues to throw this well it is going to be tough to send him down.
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by HIGGY on
May 6, 2008 9:02 AM CDT
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True.
Maybe Sean Marshall needs to go down to stretch out to start.
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by Al on
May 6, 2008 9:03 AM CDT
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I like
that one best. I’d hate to see Gallagher go down so soon. Let’s wait and see if he can be the one with the magical arm this year. Seems there’s always a couple rookies that catch fire and really help out teams headed for the playoffs. I’m looking for ours (w/ the exception of Soto, who we know rocks).
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by Kegler on
May 6, 2008 9:15 AM CDT
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Send Fontenot down....
let Ronny have some more playing time, even though I had totally given up on him before this season he’s looking like the prospect we all heard about. He’s showing great plate presence and he’s doing his job every day. I also like how he doesn’t press at the plate, not trying to hit home runs and just hitting for contact.
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by Santo4HOFASAP on
May 6, 2008 9:38 AM CDT
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Every time I see Lou run Fontenot out there...
I have flashbacks to Dusty’s love affair with Neifi Perez and life is WAY too short for that.
I wish I could understand what Lou’s seeing in this guy that basically no one else is.
Also, I know it’s pretty hard to do with Ramirez out but DeRosa needs a day off. Badly.
by bluekoolaide on May 6, 2008 8:38 AM CDT 0 recs
Cedeno
has a really strong arm, why not slot him at third base for a few games while ARam is recovering. I really agree though, our best defensive alignment would include putting Cedeno at short and either Dero or Theriot at second.
Fontenot should be sent down instead of Pie.
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by gwood on May 6, 2008 8:38 AM CDT 0 recs
That throw he made...
Last night in the 8th i think was unreal. Perfect strike on a tough ball down the line.
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by HIGGY on
May 6, 2008 8:39 AM CDT
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Agreed.
And for those keeping score at home:
Ryan Theriot and Mike Fontenot, COMBINED, in 176 AB: 20 RBI
Ronny Cedeno, by himself, in 47 AB: 16 RBI
It’s almost ludicrous at this point for Fontenot or Theriot to be taking PT away from Cedeno. The only reason there ever really was was this stuff about Ronny being dumb, especially on the basepaths. After the craptacular baserunning we’ve seen out of Fontenot and Theriot the past couple days, coupled with shoddy defense by both of them, there is simply no reason for either of them to be starting over Cedeno.
Start him at 2nd while Rammy’s out, then shift him to SS.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
May 6, 2008 8:51 AM CDT
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I don't think
sitting Theriot is a very good idea, at least at this point. He’s hitting well, and you can’t judge his RBI total harshly, he’s been batting 2nd all year with virtually no one leading off in front of him. I agree with the Font though. He needs to make way for Cedeno. I’d like to see Ronny as SS and Theriot at 2B for a few games. Give DeRosa a couple at 3B, a couple off, and, as much as I’d love to see it though it definitely won’t happen, a start or two in LF and give Soriano a day or two (or a week down in AAA- yeah, I know, dream on…).
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by Kegler on
May 6, 2008 9:19 AM CDT
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I wouldn't mind Theriot at 2B, either.
I just think you’ve got to play Ronny everyday. He’s not doing you any good sitting, and he can’t really do any worse than Fontenot.
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by gary varsho on
May 6, 2008 9:36 AM CDT
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Yeah,
but what do you do with DeRo? I’d rather have Theriot come off the bench to occasionally rest Ronny and DeRo.
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by Bump Bailey on
May 6, 2008 10:50 AM CDT
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I could do that,
but DeRo is so great at being the SuperUtilityMan that I think he should stay in that role. He can still play 5 games/week if he subbed for 2B, 3B, LF/RF, etc.
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by Kegler on
May 6, 2008 10:58 AM CDT
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I'd like to see that only while Rammy's out.
Once he’s back, bench Theriot and play Ronny at SS and Derosa at 2B
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by gary varsho on
May 6, 2008 10:59 AM CDT
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umpires
were flat out horrible last night. i understand a mistake every now and then but for christ’s sake they have got to be held accountable. HP ump was calling strikes literaly 8-9 inches off the plate.
Go Cubbies Go!!!!!!
by cubsluver22 on May 6, 2008 8:45 AM CDT 0 recs
Listening to the game on XM
the Reds announcers admitted the ump blew the call at home. That being said, where was the third base coach? Since I wasn’t watching, did he tell him to go or did FOnty take it upon himself to try and be a hereo. It would have been nice to have that run walked in with the next batter.
by sdurst on
May 6, 2008 8:50 AM CDT
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My impression was he acted on his own.
Fontenot was pretty far off the bag when the pitch was thrown, and he just went for it. FWIW, I watched the replay several times, and I’m pretty sure he was safe. Like Dome’s slide into home the other day, Fontenot’s foot hit the plate well before the tag came down on his back leg. Doesn’t matter, of course—if the throw beats him, he’s gonna get called out 9 out of 10 times.
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Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on
May 6, 2008 8:53 AM CDT
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Just like Fukudome last week
n/t
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by BigJohnAZ on
May 6, 2008 8:56 AM CDT
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It was eerily similar.
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by gary varsho on
May 6, 2008 8:56 AM CDT
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He did it on his own.
He admitted as much after the game. He also admitted it was a poor decision, which it was. He did look safe, but as daver pointed out, if the throw beats you, you’re going to be called out.
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by gary varsho on
May 6, 2008 8:54 AM CDT
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He may have been safe...
...but it was a very bad decision, if he knew it was a cake walk to score on that play. When you are down by 2 runs, his run didn’t mean much and it was a bad bad decision.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
May 6, 2008 9:41 AM CDT
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It was a bad decision, and he's admitted as much.
I wonder whether he was trying to redeem himself for making that error early in the game.
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Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on
May 6, 2008 9:45 AM CDT
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Possibly so.
In which case he made a bad day worse.
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by Al on
May 6, 2008 9:46 AM CDT
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Mostly agree (somewhat disagree)...
Down by two means his run only brings us to within one. In that sense, it was a bad decision to run.
Conversely, down two with less than two outs and runners on second and first as well, if he scores (and the other runners move up as they did), then a sac fly (or ground out) ties the game, and a base hit gives us the lead.
So it’s not a slam dunk that it’s a bad decision to run. It is for the most part a bad decision, and the fact that he was unsuccessful makes it definitely a bad decision.
by SouthernCub on
May 6, 2008 11:52 AM CDT
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I understand...
...that if he makes it, the are in real good position, but it is also a big time rally killer if he is called out.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
May 6, 2008 12:11 PM CDT
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I agree...
Which is why in total it was a bad decision. It just wanted a universally bad one.
by SouthernCub on
May 6, 2008 12:41 PM CDT
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He was wildly inconsistent.
He had a low zone for a while, then a wide zone, a bit of a high zone for about half an inning…it was all over the place, but I don’t think it favored one team over another. Dempster benefited as much as Cueto.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
May 6, 2008 8:53 AM CDT
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Wow
im confused, I thought for sure after that catch it might have built a little confidence for Pie….earning him some time.
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by Hammer on May 6, 2008 8:45 AM CDT 0 recs
me too....he has been hitting a little better recently as well .375/444 /500 in May
...its pretty clear to me that his defense is well worth his place on the roster. He has made some very tough plays look easy.
Felix Pie must play everyday!
by JB 23 on
May 6, 2008 8:50 AM CDT
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Right
replace the late inning speed guy——switch Theriot and Cedeno and leave Pie out there.
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by Hammer on
May 6, 2008 9:06 AM CDT
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most know where i stand on felix...
neeeds to start and play
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by fischisgod on May 6, 2008 8:48 AM CDT 0 recs
Giving credit where it is due
Al, Im glad to hear you say what you had to say about Fontenot. We love this team, but it needs to be said that you have to perform at a certain level, and Fontenot did do some boneheaded things last night.
by adam316 on May 6, 2008 8:49 AM CDT 0 recs
Like I said...
... I know Lou likes Fontenot. But at a certain point, he’s got to realize Fontenot occasionally plays above his level of competence, and most of the time is not a good major league player.
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by Al on
May 6, 2008 9:02 AM CDT
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Lou loves hitters...
...and I think he still thinks about that good tear Fontenot went on for a month or so last year. He has a good stroke, but I agree, he gets exposed the longer he is on the field.
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by MPH73 on
May 6, 2008 9:44 AM CDT
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DeRosa
Lost in the glare of Fontenot’s miscues is the fact that DeRosa absolutely, positively needs a day off. His bat speed the last week has been nothing but S…L…O…W and his defense at 3B is merely adequate for short stretches. They may be asking too much out of him at this point and he needs to return to a regular routine at 2B or in the OF and let the 3B idea go somewhere else. Ramirez injury is just killing the offense right now, just as it does every time he is out of the lineup. His presence is needed badly.
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by krummy12 on May 6, 2008 8:51 AM CDT 0 recs
Agreed
If Lou loves the riot so much put Ronny at 3rd
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by Hammer on
May 6, 2008 9:07 AM CDT
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Did Lou actually say that?
About Felix… reading the article more closely, it sounds like Gordon Wittenmyer is just speculating it could be Felix to go down. It seems more likely to be Fontenot now.
A 13th pitcher likely would mean a demotion for struggling center fielder Felix Pie to continue work on mechanics changes Piniella and the staff are trying to make with him.
''As long as he doesn't talk World Series, I'm happy.'' Lou Piniella on Ronny Cedeno.
by CubsBullsBears on May 6, 2008 8:51 AM CDT 0 recs
Lou didn't deny it.
He said: “Nothing’s indefinitely.”
by Fraggin Judge on
May 6, 2008 8:54 AM CDT
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Len & Bob were talking about this on the telecast last night.
So I know they are considering it.
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by Al on
May 6, 2008 9:03 AM CDT
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Last year someone asked how did we grade Lou's first-year performance.
I gave him a B. Good motivator; ho-hum strategist. The reasons keep coming up.
However, on his defense, Lou’s saying he needs 2 lefties in the pen. At least there is a method behind the madness.
by Fraggin Judge on May 6, 2008 8:52 AM CDT 0 recs
There were many reasons last night was frustrating..
..but one thing that really got me was how bad Cordero looked and that the Cubs didnt capitalize even after the Fonty gaffe.
You could tell he didnt have his best stuff, was struggling with command etc. That was there for the taking at the end. The Reds are a mess, need to take the next two with the DBacks coming in this weekend.
Felix Pie must play everyday!
by JB 23 on May 6, 2008 8:53 AM CDT 0 recs
Sending down
Fontenot for yesterday’s error seems hasty. He had 4 rbi two days ago, and was on base 3 more times the next day, so why wouldn’t Lou keep running him out there. His hustle mistake in the 9th, was just that; a hustling mistake. DeRosa’s error was just as costly, while his average has dropped to below .260. Why not play both Mike and Ronny for a day if ARam is still hurt. DeRo is pulling everything, and not producing w/ runners in scoring position. Likewise, DLee has also left too many runners on base for the Cubs to win close games. They are in a bad stretch; hopefully Z can outpitch Harang today, and the worm will turn.
On a sidenote, I listened to the game last night on XM. M. Brenneman and J. Brantley continually questioned Dusty’s handling of the roster, specifically C. Patterson, and the use of the pitching staff. If Baker had problems w/ S. Stone, he really must be souring of the Cinncinatti media. I haven’t ever heard a broadcast team be so critical of their own, during a broadcast.
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by Slakkr on May 6, 2008 8:54 AM CDT 0 recs
I agree.
Theriot and Fontenot have a hot bat right now. Their base-running mistakes shold be addressed by the coaching staff and the manager. That does not warrant a demotion.
by Fraggin Judge on
May 6, 2008 8:56 AM CDT
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Looks like Fonty's 3 run dinger last week
has given him a week’s worth of playing time.
I still don’t understand why Lou isn’t playing Cedeno. It seems that Ronny has played well enough to be in the lineup. I could see in prior years when he played great in ST and then stunk at the plate or on the bases, but this year he seems a lot better all around. I would think that if he has finally turned the corner, you play him to keep him sharp and confident. It’s almost as if Lou is ignoring him.
I also think sending Pie down is a bad move as well. Most of the team is sucking right now, might as well play hime every day and let him get going at the plate. If Lou has been working with him and it seems like he is coming around, you have to let him play. Why work hard with the kid just to send him down where he tears it up? He needs experience at THIS level, not in AAA.
DeRosa needs a day off, it looks like.
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by BigJohnAZ on May 6, 2008 8:54 AM CDT 0 recs
I would play Cedeño to rest De Rosa tonight, with Ramírez unavailable again.
But I would also demote Pie. He needs to play everyday to work on his hitting mechanics.
by Fraggin Judge on May 6, 2008 8:58 AM CDT 0 recs
Or,
you could play Ronny and play Pie, and bench Fontenot and Johnson. Demote Fontenot or one of the pitchers. Remeber, Pie could still be moved, and part of his value is that he has an option left. Use up that option, and you lose part of his value. Moreover, since cooling off at the plate, Johnson really offers nothing more than Pie does. Play Pie or trade him, but don’t sdemote him. It’s rather pointless.
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by gary varsho on
May 6, 2008 9:03 AM CDT
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Very very good catch
re: Pie’s option. To send him down would be a miserable mistake.
by DGU on
May 6, 2008 9:12 AM CDT
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aside from the catch
Pie had really good AB’s last night. He saw 17 pitches in his 4 plate appearances and this was muddied by a first pitch he swung at and nearly hit out
he went 1-3 with a BB and a warning track fly ball
and he’s really not THAT far from out-producing Reed Johnson on the SEASON (.674 OPS vs. .613 OPS)
Pie’s making progress, I can’t for the life of me figure out why we’d send him down now. For all the Dusty bashing that has gone on at this site, i’m SHOCKED there isn’t more criticism of Lou falling in love with veterans just as much. If a young player doesn’t produce at an ALL STAR LEVEL they’re riding the bench or sent back to the minors. These guys are given zero leash to develop at the big league level
by DartmouthCubsFan on May 6, 2008 9:00 AM CDT 0 recs
I agree with this.
Let Pie stay. Let Pie play. Why send him down to face Triple A pitchers when he’s finally showing some progress against major league ones? And, again, his defense speaks for itself.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on
May 6, 2008 9:04 AM CDT
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Hear, hear!
You hit it on the head. Pie is showing improvement and Reed Johnson is looking more and more like a 4th OF.
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by gary varsho on
May 6, 2008 9:04 AM CDT
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Exactly
ALL OFF SEASON they were looking for a RH platoon with Pie. They found him and forgot about the platoon all of a sudden.
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by Hammer on
May 6, 2008 9:09 AM CDT
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Let's see:
Fontenot: 3 hits on Saturday, another one on Sunday (plus a walk), one more hit Monday, for a team that is not hitting right now. No, he should stay.
And I’d send Pie down so he can bat consistently while he works on his mechanics. That’s what the minors are for, not MLB. The only problem is promoting an extra pitcher while you have no substitute OF. (Cedeño is no OF).
That’s why although I understand Lou’s reasoning, I’m with AL: Demoting a bench player to promote a P leaves the bench short.
by Fraggin Judge on
May 6, 2008 9:15 AM CDT
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why on earth
can’t he work on his mechanics at the big league level? Why can’t he play everyday HERE???
Since April 21st (the day of the PH 3 run HR) Pie is 8-24 with 3 BB’s and 7 K’s, showing a line of .333/.429/.500
I know it’s just 24 AB’s which is an extremely small sample, but he’s taking more pitches during this time frame too. He’s made all the adjustments he’s been asked to and he still rides the pine
The only reason to send down Pie is the same reason Rich Hill was sent down, we have a manager who is incapable of showing any patience with them and its stunting their development.
That, to me, is an idiotic reason to send him down. Someone needs to step in (Hendry i’m looking at you) and demand that Pie play everyday against RH pitching.
by DartmouthCubsFan on
May 6, 2008 9:25 AM CDT
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7 K's in 24 at bats for a contact hitter are too many.
He has to work on that. Do it in the minors where he can play and have 4+ AB everyday.
BTW, there’s no denying that Pie has improved lately, but realistically, no one could hit worse than Pie did at the beginning of the season.
by Fraggin Judge on
May 6, 2008 9:30 AM CDT
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Ortiz past speaks for him.
Pie has no past record to stand on.
by Fraggin Judge on
May 6, 2008 9:31 AM CDT
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Or
Soriano. He’s still terrible.
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by Kegler on
May 6, 2008 9:32 AM CDT
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Same explanation as Ortiz. Soriano has been successful in the past at this level of play.
He’s not a good leadoff hitter, though, and is poisoning the offense. But that’s a different matter.
by Fraggin Judge on
May 6, 2008 9:33 AM CDT
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Indeed, Judge.
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by Kegler on
May 6, 2008 9:36 AM CDT
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Right.
So when you said “realistically, no one could hit worse than Pie did at the beginning of the season”, what you really meant was “even players with a record of success at this level like David Ortiz and Alfonso Soriano have hit worse than Pie did at the beginning of the season”.
Thanks for the clarification.
by simonuk on
May 6, 2008 11:07 AM CDT
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Huh?
What does the beginning of the season have to do with right now? Pie is progressing—this is what we wanted. Why cast him down to Iowa? So he can come back to the majors and start all over again?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on
May 6, 2008 9:32 AM CDT
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Pie still has some work to do.
All I said is it’s true the guy has improved since the beginning of the season.
by Fraggin Judge on
May 6, 2008 9:35 AM CDT
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Riiiight...and that's what we all hoped to see. Progress.
It’s not realistic to expect Pie to suddenly flower into Andruw Jones circa ‘05. Sending him down to Iowa will only disrupt the learning process.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on
May 6, 2008 9:37 AM CDT
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contact hitter?
he’s never been a contact hitter, why are we trying to force this on him now? He struck out in 22% of AB’s at the minor league level. He’s struck out in 29% of AB’s in that 24 AB span.
This is the Corey Patterson scenario all over again where we’re trying to fit a square peg into a round hole instead of appreciating what we have! Pie isn’t going to be an on-base machine speedy leadoff hitter with some pop, that’s NEVER been his game. His game has been a premier defensive CF who hits for good gap power and strikes out a lot. He’s in the mold of Curtis Granderson, and we’re trying to make him Juan Pierre
it’s assinine. He’s NOT a contact hitter. He’s NOT a prototypical leadoff hitter and he’s had A TON of success at EVERY level of professional baseball
why change him now?
by DartmouthCubsFan on
May 6, 2008 9:36 AM CDT
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If that's what Pie is, then he needs to go ASAP.
One more reason to demote him, yesterday!
by Fraggin Judge on
May 6, 2008 9:39 AM CDT
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You don't want a guy on your team who could end up like Curtis Granderson?
by DGU on
May 6, 2008 9:41 AM CDT
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What the Cubs Have been looking for.....
is a CF like Curtis Granderson for a long time, PIE has the tools and if his swing is shortened and he really is devoted to perfecting his swing to just make contact, we could see some positive changes soon.
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue." - George F. Will
by Santo4HOFASAP on
May 6, 2008 9:43 AM CDT
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