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Wednesday, May 7, 2008, 11:35 AM CDT
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Jon Lieber vs Edinson Volquez

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It's baseball with an early lunch today as the Cubs have one of only two 11:35 am (CDT) starts this year (the other will be August 27 in Pittsburgh). And with Jon Lieber pitching, it's got a fair chance of being over before afternoon rush hour.

A few morning headlines:
  • Lou Piniella says changes may be coming. He's particularly unhappy with team defense:

    "The state of the Cubs?" he said before Tuesday night's game with the Reds. "We've got to get better. That's really the state. We got off to a really good start, and we've given some of that back. We need to improve defensively, I can tell you that.

    "That's an area, definitely, that needs improvement, and it's going to be my job to put people out there who can catch the ball. I can't do it in every, every position, but I'm going to do it in as many positions as I can."

  • Scott Eyre may rejoin the Cubs on Friday. Please, Lou and Jim, please. Send a pitcher down when Eyre comes back. A 13-man staff is asking for trouble.
  • Batting coach Gerald Perry might be fined after his ejection on Monday. I agree with Paul Sullivan's comment:
    Unless a coach or manager is constantly chirping, the plate umpire usually just tells him to pipe down. Are some umpires trigger-happy these days when it comes to hearing a dissenting view from the dugout?
  • The MLBPA is still investigating alleged collusion regarding certain free agents who were not and still are not signed for 2008. Free advice: get a life.
Today's Starting Pitchers
Jon Lieber
J. Lieber
Cubs
vs. Edinson Volquez
E. Volquez
Reds
2-1 W-L 4-1
1.86 ERA 1.27
9 SO 42
2 BB 18
2 HR 1
vs. Cin -- vs. Cubs

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Jon Lieber 2-1 9 0 0 0 0 1 19.1 21 7 4 2 2 9 1.86 1.19


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Edinson Volquez 4-1 6 6 0 0 0 0 35.1 24 6 5 1 18 42 1.27 1.19

Despite drawing four walks in five innings off Volquez at Wrigley Field on April 17, the Cubs could manage only four hits and a run, in the only game the Reds won in that series, and the only time Volquez has faced the Cubs. Reed Johnson had two of the four hits.

By contrast, Jon Lieber, who's been around forever (one of his teammates his rookie year in Pittsburgh was Lance Parrish), has made 26 career appearances (24 starts) vs. the Reds and is 11-8, 4.04, pretty close to his career averages against all teams. Though Adam Dunn has hit two HR off him (in 27 AB), the remarkable Lieber vs. Dunn stat is that Lieber has never walked Dunn.

Today's game is on CSN Chicago only. More info at the MLB.com Mediacenter.

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Today's overflow comment thread will post at 1:00 pm CT.

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Anyone care to speculate what the changes are Lou is referring to?

I look around the lineup and the only one I see is at 2B….we may have seen the change last night-Cedeno at 2B for both glove and stick. I can’t think of another position he can or would change for defensive purposes-unless he means to send down Pie and the Gammons blog rumor of bringing in a left handed outfielder comes to pass…...or Cedeno at SS and DeRosa at 2B (Al’s fave).

BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"

by cubfever7 on May 7, 2008 8:14 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shortstop

is the position where we have the biggest gaping hole defensively, but I’m not sure Lou believes that.

Why do you think Pie would be sent down if we are looking for better defense? Pie’s defense is top notch.

by DGU on May 7, 2008 8:16 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good question.

n/t

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 7, 2008 8:18 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree on Pie's defense....

...and it appears that the context of Lou’s remarks related to defense-but it’s hard to say if that’s all he was talking about. He mentions how the team has to play better as a whole and how other teams are laying for us this year. When Gammons spoke on Baseball tonight-he practically spoke in first person as though he had his info from Hendry/Lou directly.

BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"

by cubfever7 on May 7, 2008 8:23 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I didn't see Gammons on BBTN

but I did read the blog. Did he say something different than what he said on the blog?

I, for one, hope we don’t bring in a LH OF. We have Felix Pie. Felix is getting it. There are few LH OFs out there (and probably none available) who will make our ballclub better. Almost all of them make our defense worse.

by DGU on May 7, 2008 8:27 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gammons was on last night....

I can’t quote verbatim what he said, but it related to outfielders the Cubs may be interested in-Griffey is a good fit except for his option..and there were others who’s names escape me now Bradley? Crisp? What struck me and remains impressed in my memory was how authoritatively Gammons spoke as though he were a total insider to the decision process and as though a move was a foregone conclusion.

Lou’s words obviously carry more weight though—especially where he uses words like might and hope:

“We might have to make some changes, yeah,” he said. “I hope not. I really hope not. I hope that we can stay just the way we are. We’re going through a little bit of a rough spell and that we can work our way through it.

“I’ve been giving some thought about doing some things with the baseball team. There’s no rush. But at the same time, there’s some food for thought.”

BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"

by cubfever7 on May 7, 2008 8:46 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Griffey

Is no better than Pie now. That’s too much money to spend for a guy who’s hitting .230. I would much rather see Pie than Griffey. Just because he has a name doesn’t mean he’ll make us any better. We’ve got power hitters in Lee, Soriano, Ramirez, and Soto. Griffey would just slow us down.

by walsh2317 on May 7, 2008 9:55 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pie has to stay....I am confident Lou can see the lack of range

..everyday at SS. Problem is its hard to bench the guy when he is hitting .325 /397 /421

Something has to give and it shouldnt be Pie.

Felix Pie must play everyday!

by JB 23 on May 7, 2008 8:28 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SS is a silent problem...

Theriot doesn’t make mistakes, he just can’t make plays. So Lou doesn’t see Theriot screwing up. As for glaring defensive problems, it’s been 2B and LF. But I will be surprised if Piniella makes a change in LF.

I didn’t read that article as evidence that Piniella is going to make changes. I read it as “if things don’t change soon, then I may have to make changes.” I suspect he’s just trying to light a fire under the players.

by SouthernCub on May 7, 2008 8:28 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not Theriot

Theriot is hitting too well to be removed from the line up. I think it most likely will be 2B, with Cedeno getting the majority of playing time and DeRo platooning at LF RF 3B 2B, etc.

They call me MISTER Fukudome!

by brokenland on May 7, 2008 8:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Theriot/Cedeno

I don’t understand why Theriot isn’t at 2nd and Cedeno at short. That seems like a much better combo. DeRosa can supersub. Cedeno is putting up very good numbers. It’s almost as if Hendry got what he wanted without shipping 4 stud prospects.

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by dr stabbingworth on May 7, 2008 8:34 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

If Theriot had been at his best position (2b) and Cedeno at his (SS), would that DP have been botched last night?

And I just don’t get how Theriot’s hitting saves his spot at SS when Cedeno is hitting better (.373/.458/.549).

by DGU on May 7, 2008 8:52 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I too agree

that Cedeno should be at short and TheRiot at 2b. But, if Lou made that change he would have to make it permanently (meaning Cedeno everyday at short), and while all of us seem convinced that this move would be in the best interests of the club, Lou doesn’t seem convinced of this fact.

Switching Theriot back and forth depending on when Cedeno plays would be detrimental to his already fragile defensive skills. There is always a lot of talk about a players struggling when switching sides of the infield as it changes the player’s footwork (especially on double plays) and how they see the ball coming off the bat. Thus, it is always better to keep MI on the same side of the infield whenever possible.

Personally, I would be excited to see Cedeno made the everyday shortstop on TheRiot the 2B. I think our defense would be better and our offense would be better. DeRo could then be the super sub, spelling Ram, Sori, and Dome, and even DLee at times. This arrangement just seems to maximize everyone’s abilities.

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 7, 2008 8:59 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

I would love to see that combo too,

but DeRo seems to be lou’s security blanket. He seems to want to keep the second base spot reserved for him if one of the other regulars is not hurt. That is keeping Theriot at short adn Cedeno out of the lineup on a regular basis.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 7, 2008 9:03 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Code word for Ronny Cedeno playing more

That’s what I think Lou means. I think we will see Cedeno play a little more 2nd base and shortstop, and quite possibly even some center field. Maybe he gets 3-4 starts a week???

Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.

by MDBNIU on May 7, 2008 9:25 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed

this is lou’s way of saying that cedeno will get a couple more starts a week. i dont see him filling in at center though.

"Anytime I want to throw 95 or 96 (m.p.h.), I can throw it. But it's not how hard you throw in the big leagues. It's how you locate your pitches and learn to pitch the game." - If Zambrano has truly figured out how to pitch, look out.

by kylejo on May 7, 2008 9:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe Riot gets a day off too

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 7, 2008 9:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

let's not forget, though

that Cedeno is not a very smart ballplayer. Even more than the numbers he has put up in the past, it’s been his mental lapses and lack of instincts for the game that has driven fans insane. At least now he’s showing some offensive promise, but let’s remember that Ronnie the Remedial Baseball Player will return.

by davidalanu on May 7, 2008 11:10 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I disagree

For the sake of argument, lets think about all these “boneheaded” plays Cedeno makes.

Overslid 2nd on a walk – when he had the sign to steal.
Airmailed a few balls to 1st…

....what else?

Again, this is for the sake of argument and I hope to remind myself of what everyone’s referring to when they say Cedeno is not a smart player. I’ve seen a very very good and solid player so far this year….i.e. ONCEDEC

by cubsonWGN4ever on May 7, 2008 11:17 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ONCE DEC, twice shy

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 7, 2008 11:21 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he certainly

seems to have figured it out. He’s had an AH-HAH moment.

We just need a picture of him with a lightbulb going off over his head…

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 11:22 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my fave too.

No way you bench DeRosa and keep Theriot in.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 10:37 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With Lou now stating defense is a problem

it will be interesting to see who gets blamed and who gets more playing time. DeRoMyHero has an interesting post under the recap wondering if DeRosa getting moved around so much has affected his defense. I guess the question, then, is if you leave DeRosa at 2B and move Ronny more – is he more likely to be defensively stable? I’m not sure that he is.

The other question is – do we need our players moving around so much to different positions, or is that mostly a function of Lou trying to squeeze Mike Fontenot’s left-handedness into the lineup so often? If Sori’s injured, just play Murton/Johnson. If Rami’s injured, just play Cedeno. Sure, they’re right-handed, but they also play better than Fontenot and it’s not like offense has been the problem.

by DGU on May 7, 2008 8:14 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dunno.

Moving DeRo around last year didn’t affect his defense that much. I’m not sure why this year should be any different.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 7, 2008 8:19 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wonder if we're only seeing a blip

caused mostly by the interruption in spring training for DeRosa. Give him a full season and this will all even out.

by DGU on May 7, 2008 8:24 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think he is just

a bit tired and needs a couple of days off. His bat is real slow and he is pulling off a lot of pitches. Signs of a tired ballplayer.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 7, 2008 8:29 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it's a sign of him coming back to earth

DeRo needs to learn to swing for contact. You can always tell when he gets ahead in the count he’ll take one massive swing for the fences, then strike out on the next pitch. And after seeing him at Wrigley recently, his defensive technique is lazy.

I agree though, he does look tired.

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by dr stabbingworth on May 7, 2008 8:36 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sometimes I think he thinks he

is a homerun hitter. He will hit the occasional dinger but his value is really driving in runs with base hits. He has a good eye and knows how to work the count in his favor, bu i agree that when he gets his pitch in a favorable count he overswings.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 7, 2008 8:47 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

without a doubt

starting last week it looked like he thought he was barry bonds at the plate. im not sure why he thinks he’s a power hitter, but he definitely has this idea in his head that a homer is more important than a groundball to the right side with a runner on third and less than two outs.

"Anytime I want to throw 95 or 96 (m.p.h.), I can throw it. But it's not how hard you throw in the big leagues. It's how you locate your pitches and learn to pitch the game." - If Zambrano has truly figured out how to pitch, look out.

by kylejo on May 7, 2008 9:18 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

DeRosa is a quality 2nd baseman

He certainly has had some hiccups in the early going, but overall he is a sound defensive 2nd baseman.

Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.

by MDBNIU on May 7, 2008 9:26 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think

there’s a big difference between moving De-Ro between three very different positions - 2nd, 3rd, LF - and moving Cedeno between SS and 3rd.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 10:51 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope this means Lou has noticed

what many of us did long ago: Ryan Theriot is a bad defensive shortstop. Not a strong arm, very limited range, and does not get a good break on the ball. It might seem silly to bench a guy hitting .322, but he has no power, has only 9 RBI, and leads the league in CS. Couple that with poor defense and it seems he’s ready to assume the role he’s best suited for, and that’s to be the reserve IF.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 8:30 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

The Theriot hate is out of control here

His only job is to play adequate defense and get on in front of Lee and Ramirez. You want to bench a guy getting on base 40% of the time? That’s absurd.

DeRosa is struggling at the plate and plays worse defense than Theriot. He’s the kind of guy who has bench players stamped all over him.

my owner buys me the expensive cat food, but i'll just eat this dvd shrinkwrap and that bug over there

by dr stabbingworth on May 7, 2008 8:47 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Theriot has been hitting well

but in no way is he a better player than DeRosa. DeRosa is more versatile, has more power and yes, walks more. The only thing Theriot might have on him is BA but let’s see as the season progresses.

by rlpete on May 7, 2008 8:51 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The problem is that Theriot doesn't fit the roster well.

He isn’t as good a SS as Cedeno nor as good a 2B as DeRosa. His career numbers in both the majors and minors have a lot of fans scared he’s in for a downward correction and that Lou will keep playing him through an unending slump.

Rumors are that the Rockies are searching for middle IF help and a pitcher who can eat innings. I think it would be great for the Cubs if we could package Marquis and Theriot together in a trade to the Rox. Then we can let our better players take over their playing time.

by DGU on May 7, 2008 9:01 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's a lot to give

what do we get in return?

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 7, 2008 9:05 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What do the Rockies have to give?

Off of the ML roster, there’s not much –
The easiest trade would net us Scott Podsednik. I really, really don’t want to see that. I think if we gave both Theriot and Marquis we could expect more than Pods. Omar Quintanilla could be a useful piece to the Cubs as a LH utility player, upgrading Fontenot, at least in versatility. He would be a throw-in piece.
The real goodies would come from their farm system where they have both pitching and hitting.

by DGU on May 7, 2008 9:17 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ugh.

The Cubs don’t need Podsednik.

What they’d likely get for Theriot would be a lower-level pitching prospect. That’d be OK with me.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 7, 2008 9:39 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree.

The idea of Scotty Pods in Cubbie blue makes my skin crawl.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 7, 2008 10:11 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hawpe

brad hawpe is the only player i can think of that the cubs could want off the rockies lineup. getting him would require that we give up a lot and move dome to cf, but it would provide a good lh bat for sure. (but surely i don’t think it will happen – the rox have no reason to want to give him up) Quintailla is not ready and is only up because of tulo’s injury.

... now if we could trade soriano for holiday i’d do that i a cold minute!

"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella

by anormal on May 7, 2008 11:07 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Quintanilla is as ready as Fontenot

and has the added ability of being able to play any IF position.

by DGU on May 7, 2008 11:25 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i don’t see it, but i also think that neither of those guys should be a regular starter unless there is an injury situation.

"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella

by anormal on May 7, 2008 11:27 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Disagree

DeRosa is a butcher in the field. Also, when, and if, Theriot stops hitting, then he can be benched. He’s managed .320/.390 for 25 games so far. Let him ride it out.

my owner buys me the expensive cat food, but i'll just eat this dvd shrinkwrap and that bug over there

by dr stabbingworth on May 7, 2008 10:37 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The opinions stated as fact here

are hysterical. DeRosa is fine at 2nd. Certainly as good as Theriot. Let’s see Theriot try and play a different position everyday.

by rlpete on May 7, 2008 10:46 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

a butcher?

Maybe in the Bizarro world. But in the Bizarro world, the Cubs have won every WS since 1908 (that one loss really rankles Bizarro Lou) so it’s ok for him to be serving up the bizarro lamb.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 10:56 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I reject them!

And It’ll be a cold day in hell when I recognize Missouri too!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 11:50 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh Abe...

n/t

Okay, "Wendy: hot and juicy redhead." Give this a try.

by neverAcquiesce on May 7, 2008 11:50 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oprah told me not to.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 7, 2008 11:50 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He doesn't play adequate defense,

and the outs he makes on the basepaths (already 3 or 4), coupled with his CS’s (6) mitigate any added benefit his OBP provides. I love how the Theriot crowd spent all last season telling us not to look at stats, and now they break the backs bending over backwards to nutpick his stats to find some justification for him to keep his starting job.

I don’t hate Theriot; I just don’t want him starting. I want him on the team, he’s perfect for the reserve IF role, but his poor defense, lack of power, and ineptitude on the basepaths prohibit me from accepting any arguments for him to continue in a starting role.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 9:02 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is how I feel, too.

I definitely don’t hate Theriot per se. In fact, I think he’s done a damn good job of getting on base thus far. The main problem is defense: His lack of range and arm strength are the pink elephant in the room that many Cubs fans (and perhaps Lou himself) don’t want to talk about.

If 1Dec truly has figured it out offensively - and he seems to be proving again and again that he has - he would give the team just as much OBP as Theriot with more slugging and better defense.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 7, 2008 10:18 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The riot

would have a few more RBIs if the lead-off spot wasn’t such a black hole.

by salparadise23 on May 7, 2008 8:58 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's his complete lack of power,

not an ineffective leadoff cabal, that keeps his RBI total low.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 9:07 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Defensive Upgrades

The only guys I can see who are not getting regular playing time who would be defensive upgrades are Pie and Cedeno.

Go ahead Lou, bring ‘em in. And if Cedeno is the best defensive shortstop on the club (which is at least a distinct possibility), then wouldn’t it be better to play him there, with Theroit vying with Derosa for the 2B/Utility role.

by simonuk on May 7, 2008 8:49 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is there an adequate explanation

for Theriot’s poor base stealing percentage this year? Are pitchers and catchers paying more attention to him? Is he getting consistently bad jumps? Is he picking the wrong time in the count to attempt a steal?

It just seems odd that a guy would go from a 88% success rate last year (28 of 34) to his abysmal success rate this year of 57% (8 of 14).

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 7, 2008 9:09 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Small sample size?

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 7, 2008 9:11 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Perhaps.

His last two years in the minors, he posted 71% (AA) and 82% (AAA), but the two seasons prior, he was only slightly above 50%. Maybe it’ll even out.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 9:13 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe

but assuming he reached his percentage from last year, he would have to be unbelievably successful for the rest of the year. He would have to go 20 for his next 20 just to reach last year’s numbers.

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 7, 2008 9:14 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He is not reading the pitcher as well

and his jump seems to be a little delayed. It’s almost like his focus isn’t 100% on stealing that bag.

It’s not like he’s getting picked by a strong pitcher (e.g. Z’s pick at 2nd last night) or by a pitcher that has something like 1.1 time to the plate. Riot simply isn’t reading the pitcher and getting the jump.

by blackhawk24 on May 7, 2008 9:31 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Theriot needs to run less

The stolen base in today’s game is very overrated. There are very few players in this league where the stolen base is a true weapon and a game disruptor. Jose Reyes is one name that comes to mind. If Theriot can’t steal bases at a 85% success rate then he should stop running. The Cubs have too much offensive firepower in the middle of the lineup for Theriot (or any of the top of the order hitters) to run this team out of an inning.

Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.

by MDBNIU on May 7, 2008 9:35 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His stolen base

last night scored the winning run

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 7, 2008 9:40 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

true dat.

It was nice to lead from the very beginning!

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 10:58 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anyone

less than excited about Erye’s return? To think that we may send down a position player to make room Eyre, in particular, is not inspiring. Boy has the worm turned here on Theriot; last year at this time everyone screamed to get him into the line- up every day. Is it possible that Lou may recognize that Ryan is more dependable than Ronny when playing every day? Ronny has been great in the role he has played this year. This is a good thing- it doesn’t automatically translate to the same thing as a regular.
In Lou I trust.

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by Slakkr on May 7, 2008 9:16 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I tend o agree but I think that

the thing that seperates Cedeno from other part time players is his variety of talents. Bench players are bench players beacause they lack some part of a complete game. If Cedeno is at the point in his career where he is ready to play like this on a consistent basis, you want him on the field and not on the bench.

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 7, 2008 9:20 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I see

what you are saying. I hope Cedeno continues to excell, and if he does, moves into the ss role every day. It just seems that some dog on Theriot w/o much reasoning, other than lack of range, which isn’t easy to evaluate. Ryan’s two out steal, led to the winning run yesterday. For me, this is the type of guy I want on the field, often.

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by Slakkr on May 7, 2008 9:27 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Reds

I have a question to ask, and since it pertains to the Reds I am not going make a new post, since I figured everyone would rip me apart if I do. But I live near Dayton Ohio and the big news around here is is that Ken Griffey Jr. wants to be traded sooner rather than later and go to contender, or back to Seattle. Should we think about maybe making a play for him? I know that the Reds will probably not even think of trading him in the division. But it’s just a thought.

Wendyzman

by wendyvhz on May 7, 2008 9:22 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We have a RF'er

Griffey cannot play CF any longer. Fukudome seems more comfortable in CF. Moving him to CF full-time seems a mistake to me especially since Lou is already complaining about defense.

by rlpete on May 7, 2008 9:26 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

this move would hurt us defensively and offensively as well since Griffey is not having one of his better years thus far.

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 7, 2008 9:27 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, brother.

This was done to death in another thread because of a casual mention in a MLBTR post.

If Griffey goes anywhere, it’ll be to an AL team where he can DH part-time. Seattle seems a likely destination.

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by Al on May 7, 2008 9:40 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tim Deirkes

loves the Cubs and it shows in his posts. It can be a little annoying because his desire to see certain things happen clouds the issue.

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by dr stabbingworth on May 7, 2008 10:40 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm most concerned that the Cubs

don’t let this kid off the hook this time. In their chance for the sweep a couple weeks ago, they had a glorious chance in B2 and blew it. The kid was running up the PC and was in trouble. The Cubs let him off the hook; primarily Blanco. They cannot do it this time and I sure hope Geo is starting today.

by blackhawk24 on May 7, 2008 9:27 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd be shocked if Blanco wasn't starting

It’s an 11:30 start after last night’s game.

by rlpete on May 7, 2008 9:29 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The hate for DeRosa and Theriot is ridiculous

All Mark DeRosa does is unselfishly produce for this ballclub. While he looks a bit tired at the plate and in the field, fact is his numbers are once again very impressive. DeRosa is a quality 2nd baseman who puts the team before himself and agrees to play all over the diamond and in the outfield. I’ll take what he means to this ballclub and his production any day. Lou knows he is immensely valuable.

All Ryan Theriot does is serve as the spark plug, never quit energy source of this ballclub. He may not be ideally suited to play shortstop everyday, but his hustle in the field has resulted in surprisingly decent defense. And what he brings to the Cub offense is infectious. Lou understands his value too. In fact, Lou is the guy to credit for Theriot becoming the integral ballplayer that he is today.

Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.

by MDBNIU on May 7, 2008 9:30 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Scrappy man, scrappy!

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 7, 2008 9:33 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't hate either one

DeRo has hit the wall a bit lately (fielding and batting). His fielding issues can be attributed to 5 positions played. That’s more than anyone else on the team. TheRiot is just not focusing on his base stealing. His “D” is good and I’m impressed with the ~.320 BA and ~.390 OBP.

by blackhawk24 on May 7, 2008 9:33 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Take it easy

there is no “hate” for either of them. We appreciate the contributions they make for the club. There are just those of us who think their talents could be better utilized. DeRo is a good ballplayer and an even more unselfish person, it seems, who is, as you say, immensely valuable to this team. He has just looked tired the last few games. There is nothing wrong with calling for him to get a day off so he can help the team better in the future.

As for TheRiot, I wouldn’t call him integral. He is important to this team’s success, especially with the offensive numbers he has put up this far. But, if he enters a drought, like he did last Sept. he does not help the team. Defensively is another animal altogether. Theriot’s skill set is much better suited for 2b, but because we didn’t have an adequate solution at SS last season and a log jam at 2b. This year, we have Cedeno, who has turned a corner offensively and is much better suited for SS than Theriot.

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by gwood on May 7, 2008 9:39 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Well said.

It seems like whenever anybody points out a player’s deficiencies, they’re automatically labeled a “hater”.

by bluekoolaide on May 7, 2008 9:47 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LSA.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 7, 2008 10:20 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree

But DeRosa needs to swing for contact no matter what the count is.

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by dr stabbingworth on May 7, 2008 10:42 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Lou's comments on Defense amount to a general threat more than anything

He wants the guys who can hit in the lineup, he just wants everyone to be more solid in the field. Maybe it’s time to hit more fungoes. I don’t think Fontenot, Soriano, or DeRosa are necessarily implicated by this. But I do see DeRosa losing starts to Cedeno for a little while.

by Jerry Mumphrey on May 7, 2008 9:36 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well

Agreed on Derosa, but re:

his hustle in the field has resulted in surprisingly decent defense. And what he brings to the Cub offense is infectious

No. Just no. His hustle in the field has resulted in the fourth lowest RZR among qualified SS. In case you’re unaware, that’s bad. And i hope what he’s doing on the basepaths isn’t infectious or the whole team will start running into outs and getting caught stealing.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 9:36 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're clueless

I’m done responding to your posts. They’re either inflammatory or wrought with cluelessness for the game of baseball. You dont’ respond to me, and I won’t respond to you. That way we’ll both be happy.

Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.

by MDBNIU on May 7, 2008 9:37 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, sir, you are clueless.

Your claims have no evidence to back them up, you lack any willingness to understand the game beyond what your purported college career taught you, and solely on that basis you pronounce on the baseball acumen of others.

I shall try not to respond to your idiocy, but some stupidity must be confronted.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 9:39 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Weird.

I’ve seen other people respond much more viciously to your posts and you’ve said nothing. All gary did was cite a well-respected stat to refute your point about Theriot’s defense and remark on Theriot’s dubious stolen base results thus far. Weird.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 7, 2008 10:23 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So with the collusion investigation I assume they're talking about Sosa and Bonds?

But wasn’t Bonds the one guy who isn’t part of the MLBPA? Is there anyone else I’m not thinking of? Lofton?

by Jerry Mumphrey on May 7, 2008 9:38 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not sure, but

I’m pretty sure they’re talking about Sammy and Bonds. I had no idea about the Bonds and others not being part of the MLBPA.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 9:41 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bonds is in the MLBPA.

He has a separate licensing agreement for his name and image and merchandise, so he’s not part of MLBPA’s marketing, which is why you used to see “SF Left Fielder” in certain online fantasy games. They could use his stats but not his name.

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by Al on May 7, 2008 9:52 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I see.

So this investigation is about he and Sammy, then?

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 9:55 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not exclusively, no.

I still think it’s ridiculous. Teams have decided - NOT NECESSARILY COLLUDED - that they can get by with cheaper players.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 7, 2008 9:56 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah.

Perhaps it’s just a labor union doing some due diligence work.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 9:57 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bonds

I have no doubt there is collusion going on here. There are several teams that could use his services, especially in the AL, and that includes the thought of his baggage. Even the Cubs would be an excellent fit for him.

Sammy though, he just needs to retire. He’s done.

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by dr stabbingworth on May 7, 2008 10:44 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No.

The Cubs would NOT be an excellent fit for him. Please, god, no.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 11:04 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Only names I've heard

so far are Bonds and Lofton.

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by Bump Bailey on May 7, 2008 10:19 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Scott Eyre is needed

I don’t by for a minute that the Cubs will go with 13 pitchers. That being said, the return of Scott Eyre is important. If he is pitching to his capabilities then he is a very important cog to this bullpen. I would guess that Chad Fox will get sent down when Eyre comes off the DL.

Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.

by MDBNIU on May 7, 2008 9:38 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We agree AGAIN

this trend is scary..Fox is out I think.

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by Hammer on May 7, 2008 9:48 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Too bad

Fox did a nice job and was a good story.

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by dr stabbingworth on May 7, 2008 10:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed on Fox.

Sending down a position player seems a bit ridiculous.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 9:50 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ONEDEC

I guess I don’t read often enough to know the genesis of this. I know it’s Cedeno backwards, but can someone let me know how this originated?

sknahT

by bms on May 7, 2008 9:39 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because...

... Cedeno has “turned it around” this year. So we turned his name around.

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by Al on May 7, 2008 9:41 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also

because early in the season, “Cedeno!” was used in place of other, less colorful words, when the team did something bad. So we needed some other way to refer to Cedeno when he did something good.

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 7, 2008 9:43 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah-so

Thanks. That is pretty sweet. Let’s hope he doesn’t “turn it back around” and become Cedeno again.

by bms on May 7, 2008 9:55 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the cubs will not trade riot

so many people would get PISSED! theriot would bitch to the media for a month, carrie muskat would lose her number 1 soundbite/sex slave, and all those t-shirts would have to be taken to goodwill

not happening (although i want RRRRRRonny! in at SS for sure)

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by CubbyBlues on May 7, 2008 9:46 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think theriot would ever bitch at the media

he seems to be a bit too classy for that , which is part of the reason a lot of people like him. Hey I think he can be a good player, just not an everyday major league shortstop. This is especially true when the guy who was the future SS of the organization has finally seemed to figure out how to play.

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by nji232 on May 7, 2008 10:17 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Look at their fielding statistics

how can anyone say that cedeno is the much better fielder? In 2006 he commited 23 errors in 134 games. In 108 games at SS last year Theriot had 8 errors.

by bheidge on May 7, 2008 9:46 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's in part

because Cedeno got to some balls and batched them that Theriot would not come close to

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 7, 2008 9:47 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Then...

what is the difference? Player A gets to balls he botches. Player B does not. Baserunner is safe on both occasions. I will take both Ryan and Ronny on the team. They are both playing well, and offer different skill sets that help the club.

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by Slakkr on May 7, 2008 9:54 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right

but then there are a lot of plays that Ronny makes that Theriot would never get to as well.

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 7, 2008 10:08 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed.

I don’t want Theriot off the team, either.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 10:10 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thats purely subjective

I doubt you remember all of ronnys fielding errors in 2006. I am not doubting the fact that cedeno can get to some balls that theriot can’t. I am merely saying 8 errors in 108 games is not bad defense. Ronny might make the amazing play now and then, (although ryans catch the other night was…Nice to say the least) Theriot has shown he can handle the bat much better than ronny.

by bheidge on May 7, 2008 9:56 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ummm....

Theriot has shown he can handle the bat much better than ronny.

You do realize Ronny has doubled Theriot’s RBI total in less than half as many AB’s, don’t you?

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 9:58 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that statement

does not even dignify a response

by bheidge on May 7, 2008 10:05 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

QED

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 10:10 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think you're being a little harsh here...

and maybe a bit over the top (are you in Geometry class with Quod Erat Demonstrandum?)

You can’t compare RBI’s in this case. Theriot bats up in the batting order. Cedeno bats down in the order. RBI is a poor statistic of comparison in this case.

by zevkalman on May 7, 2008 10:12 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fine.

(FYI: QED is can also be used at the end of deductive proofs in logic)

Ryan Theriot: .325/.397/.421 112 OPS+

Ronny Cedeno: .373/.458/.549 160 OPS+

Across the board, Ronny’s outhitting Theriot.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 10:16 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

please look

at their career numbers when comparing them. Not one category, this early in the season. categories too be considered .AVG and .OBP. Maybe its just me and I remember the ‘06 too well. The one were he batted .250 with 17 BBS and 100+ K’s.

by bheidge on May 7, 2008 10:17 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The point is...

... he looks like an entirely different player than the 2006 version. He appears to have “figured it out”, to have turned things around, thus “ONEDEC”.

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by Al on May 7, 2008 10:24 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Keep moving the goalposts.

You’ll find something soon.

Ronny, minor leagues, career: .276/.323/.395

Theriot, minor leagues, career: .271/.352/.337

Ronny, major leagues, career: .256/.291/.363

Theriot major leagues, career: .284/.350/.385

Nothing there to indicate Theriot handles the bat “much better. The only large disparities are in their minor league SLG and major league OBP.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 10:24 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree about Cedeno being a better hitter than Theriot

I was just questioning the use of using an RBI statistic as a valid comparison of players in different positions of the batting order.

FWIW: QED is also used in old math/physics texts.

by zevkalman on May 7, 2008 10:18 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i should point out

that emil brown has twice as many rbi’s as travis hafner and ryan howard at this point in the season.

by bheidge on May 7, 2008 10:20 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Travis Hafner

is looking hurt, Howard always starts slow and most of those RBI’s (18 of the 28) came in the first two weeks of April. Plus, amidst all that torrid hitting, Brown somehow managed to post an anemic .296 OBP for the month. Howard will come around. Last season, he had 13 RBI in April; he ended up with 136. He’ll be okay. I think Hafner may be hurt, but just for kicks, he had 16 RBI in April last season and ended up with 100. There’s a track record there.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 10:31 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How so?

He makes a good point.

Theriot: 126 ABs – 9 RBI. plus .325/.397/.421

vs.

Cedeno: 51 ABs – 18 RBI plus .373/.458/.549

Conclusion = allowing for the at-bat difference, they handle the bat equally at least. Certainly Theriot does not handle it “much better.”

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 7, 2008 10:14 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not to mention 14 of those RBI have come with 2 outs

I don’t have the numbers i front of me, put I remember a few times where Theriot has had chances with 2 out and failed.

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by nji232 on May 7, 2008 10:19 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It not about errors

it’s about Theriot not be able to get to balls he should get to. Teams get more hits because Theriot can’t get to balls he should. Cedeno’s defense is just plain better. Ronny’s problem was always focus, not taking the time to set and throw, etc. His focus thus far this season seems much improved, as does his defense, excepting his moonshoot throw in Pittsburgh!

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 9:49 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree about defense but as long as Theriot is hitting he'll stay in the lineup.

But as the season goes on, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Cedeno taking more and more PT from Theriot.

by zevkalman on May 7, 2008 10:16 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope so.

As I’ve said before, I don’t want Theriot off the team, just out of the starting lineup.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 10:17 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He doesn't even need to be out of the starting lineup

Just playing at 2B.

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by nji232 on May 7, 2008 10:26 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No give me DeRosa at 2nd

I still would like for him to settle down a bit on positions. Occasional moves to LF and 3rd are ok but this constant movement this year has to be impacting him.

by rlpete on May 7, 2008 10:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed.

I’d like to see a set lineup for a week or so.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 10:32 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Heres my concern

The W today. The last two series the Cubs dropped the 1st game won the 2nd and dropped the 3rd. End this trend TODAY

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"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 7, 2008 9:47 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

I like our chances with Lieber on the mound.

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by Al on May 7, 2008 9:53 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If he stays in the game, at least it won't last

past a couple of hours.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 7, 2008 9:54 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just hope he is careful with

their big left-handed bats. Griffey probably will sit this one out but Dunn will probably be in there. he pitches to contact, so the ball better be down to get those ground balls. The ball can really fly out of that park in the daytime.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 7, 2008 10:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

today will be a good defensive test.

by SoTxCub on May 7, 2008 10:40 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i like lieber too

but man, volquez has incredible stuff. the key will be taking pitches, as even though he hasn’t allowed many runs he has tended to leave after 5 or 6 innings b/c of pitch count.

if we can get him to throw a lot of pitches, even if we dont score on him we can force in the BP and eat them up

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by CubbyBlues on May 7, 2008 9:56 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed

we need to be patient today, for all of those k’s he has piled up, that k/bb is just a smidge over 2. let him get himself into trouble, otherwise this will be a swift and painful game im afraid.

"Anytime I want to throw 95 or 96 (m.p.h.), I can throw it. But it's not how hard you throw in the big leagues. It's how you locate your pitches and learn to pitch the game." - If Zambrano has truly figured out how to pitch, look out.

by kylejo on May 7, 2008 10:42 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i wouldn't mind if lieber stepped up as a number 4 guy.

If Lieber could step up for us even for a couple months in that number 4 spot which isn’t impossible that could be exactly what we need. I am pulling for him in a huge way today. Lets hope he does it.

by huskercubby on May 7, 2008 10:43 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Speaking of Lieber...

...it’s pretty funny to see his picture right next to Volquez’s at the top of this thread. Lieber looks like Volquez’s high school guidance counselor.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 7, 2008 10:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL.

Volquez has kind of a Sideshow Bob thing going on with that hair.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 10:46 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Get a life" is pretty harsh advice Al

If I was a union leader and there was even the slightest, remotest possibility that ownership was colluding against my members, or blacklisting some of them, I would be failing my union if I didn’t at least investigate it.

Just because you don’t personally like the players involved doesn’t make the need for an investigation any less legitimate.

by Wreckard on May 7, 2008 9:56 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm a union member and sit on executive councils.

I still think they have to pick their battles. This isn’t one they’re going to win.

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by Al on May 7, 2008 9:57 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm guessing they pretty much know they're not going to "win" this one

but if handled correctly, the publicity is probably a good thing. If they make this one all about Bonds & Clemens, then they have NOT handled it correctly. But if they widen the scope and keep other players’ names prominent, it may achieve its desired effect.

For example, if I put a GM hat on (AL most likely) and look at the players mentioned in the ESPN article, I’m thinking…

Bonds – no way. he can still bring it but too much baggage, distractions, etc. not worth it.
Clemens – no way. at the rate he’s going, he’ll makes Bonds’ baggage look like a wallet.
Lofton – probably not. He still might have a spark or two left, but I can’t afford to carry that all season. Maybe a stretch run pickup.
Piazza – worth considering if I’m in the AL and need RH power. Mostly DH, with the occasional 1B or C.
Sosa – same as Piazza but the occasional OF instead. However, if his $$ demands are too high, forget it.

Now if I put my arbitrator hat on (or whoever would hear such a case), I would probably be interested in hearing more about why Piazza and Sosa haven’t been offered contracts, if that is indeed the situation.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on May 7, 2008 10:41 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was a Teamster steward at one time and collusion was a fact of life

A very prominent ex-Chicago athlete owned the company and management was in bed with our local BIG time. No more unions for this boy if I can help it. The Chicago Federation of Musician was another pain in the rump-although i have no reason to ever suspect them of wrong doing-they made life miserable for you in trying to play different venues in town.

BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"

by cubfever7 on May 7, 2008 10:26 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Pie played for the Sox--that might have been a no hitter last night

The ball Mauer hit to left center seemed to stay in the air a fairly long time and Ozzie had Swisher playing CF in the 9th….I think Felix gets to that ball.

BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"

by cubfever7 on May 7, 2008 10:18 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah you hate to see a guy lose a no-no in the 9th

At least it came on a legit hit instead of a little blooper or a meaningless bunt. (Sorry I was channeling my inner Bob Brenley at the end there.

Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs

by nji232 on May 7, 2008 10:21 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Love to see

a guy put forth the effort that swisher did on the ball that mauer hit. He left his body out to dry to attempt to preserve the no hitter and seemed genuinely upset with himself that the missed the catch. That’s a good teammate.

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 7, 2008 10:26 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not even close

he was 10 -15 feet away from where that ball landed the dive was meaningless, if he had gotten hurt diving for no reason, I would think people may be looking at it differently

by becauseicare on May 7, 2008 11:25 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like Theriot, as SS, but he'd make a better sportscaster

The guy loves being on TV and radio. He’s a good speaker, seems to really relate to people. Chases microphones, and has a photogenic face. More than that, Muskrat loves him :-)

I think once he loses his job in SS, and tires of the daily grind in baseball, he should move to ESPN.

by zevkalman on May 7, 2008 10:26 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Have you seen Braylon Edwards on NFL Network this week?

That guy is a natural. He’s been great. He kind of strikes as the kind of guy who would be pretty good at just about anything.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 10:34 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Was that Edwards

on the Costas show with Buzz B. and the Deadspin guy?

"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"

by Bump Bailey on May 7, 2008 10:43 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah.

I felt bad for him on there. Costas just chucked him into the middle of something he had no desire to be a part of….

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 10:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, it really made no sense...

“we’ll take Joe Athlete and ask him pointless questions while these other two guys yell at each other.”

by SouthernCub on May 7, 2008 11:21 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah.

plus, they could’ve gotten Chris Cooley, who, in addition to being a fine athlete, is also a blogger.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 11:29 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Line-Up No Sori, onedec gets the start

R. Johnson lf
R. Theriot ss
D. Lee 1b
A. Ramirez 3b
K. Fukudome rf
G. Soto c
R. Cedeno 2b
F. Pie cf
J. Lieber p

A ugly win is better than a pretty loss-Lou

by NIUcubbie on May 7, 2008 10:52 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is interesting...

...particularly because Soriano had a couple of really nice ABs toward the end of last night’s game.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 7, 2008 10:55 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WOW!! No Alf--he almost looked gimpy on that double last night

..or maybe the fact thet he hopped ticked Lou off? Or maybe Lous wants someone who doesn’t pout about his lineup position playing left?

BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"

by cubfever7 on May 7, 2008 10:54 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Again with the "pouting" thing...sigh...

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 7, 2008 10:56 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Has anyone ever

seen Sori pout about anything? That guy is as even keel as anyone. He’s probably not starting because he just came off the injury and with Lieber, you need your best defensive team in the field. He’s not going to get a lot of strikeouts.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 7, 2008 10:59 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's ridiculous...

Soriano has never complained (at least not publicly) about his spot in the batting order. He’s been asked his preference, and he stated that he prefers to bat leadoff. He has also repeatedly said that he’ll do whatever Piniella thinks is best.

Similarly, DeRosa said he’d prefer not to be a utility guy and would prefer to be the everyday 2B. But he also said he’d do whatever is best for the team.

Yet for some reason Soriano gets labeled a pouter and selfish, but DeRosa is widely viewed as a consummate team player and good guy.

by SouthernCub on May 7, 2008 11:19 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IIRC

when the PLAYER’S NAME REDACTED trade was being discussed, and DeRo spoke out, people labeled him as a whiner too.

They’re all professionals, and they’re getting paid a ton of money; they’ll do what’s best for the team.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 11:23 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

DeRosa

Yeah but the reason you see that with DeRosa is because he is playing all of these different positions. Other then Soriano batting in a different place in the lineup a couple times this season you havn’t seen him doing different things which some people believe might be because he is whining behind closed doors. I am not one of those people who believe that but that is the arguement. I do however think that DeRosa is probably the best teem player. But again I think Soriano would do whatever Lou said. But I understand what some people say about him.

by huskercubby on May 7, 2008 11:23 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

excuses

soriano makes excuses and fans don’t like that. when woody blows a save or lee leaves men on base we read that in the post-game press conference that they said “it’s my fault, i should have played better”. they know that they have a responsibility to the team and they take that responsibility, not just when the team is winning, but also when they are losing. that is the difference.

soriano blames the wind:
“I felt very, very comfortable,” Soriano said after Thursday’s loss. “I feel 100 percent with my leg. I think I had a very good jump on the ball. I think the wind got the ball. He hit a line drive off balance, and the ball went like one bounce to the wall.”

or his manager:
“It doesn’t matter” what the count is, he said. “I play seven years, and that’s my game. I’m very aggressive at home plate. I don’t have to change nothing because the manager didn’t say nothing to me.”

this is why people are beginning to think of soriano as a whiner.

"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella

by anormal on May 7, 2008 11:26 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't see it and...

...this stuff about Soriano started long before those quotes. The quotes don’t indicate “excuses” to me. He didn’t abdicate responsibility in the fly ball quote and the defensiveness in the second says more to me about the tone of the question. He’s right to say that unless Lou asks him to change his approach, he shouldn’t. I’m not a big Soriano supporter, but I don’t believe all of this attitude stuff is based in anything factual.
I think the fact that his English isn’t as good as it could be makes it hard to judge as well.

"Baseball is like church- many attend, few understand." ~ Leo Durocher

by The Lip on May 7, 2008 12:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he doesn't pout

in fact, he barely shows emotion at all, unless his happy.

Sori is a team player. Stop suggesting otherwise.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 11:13 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm.

Would’ve rather seen DLee get a rest than Sori, but probably better not to push Sori’s legs too farr, too soon. I’ll assume he’s available to pinch hit.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 10:55 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

plus it's harder

to sub for Lee.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 11:15 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well

Derosa can handle first pretty well, but I think you’re right. It’s hard to replace his defense and his bat.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 11:18 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

especially

when DeRo needs a rest.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 11:24 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

glad to see

Pie still in there. Excellent.

I’m betting Sori’s still hurt. And DeRosa gets a rest. Also good.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 11:10 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here is what I am seeing

Piniella actually sees that the K’s are down so the team needs to make the plays in the field. It is a warning to Theriot that he could be moved to 2B, (OBVIOUSLY) and CF needs to make the plays and then there is LF….

My guess and this is bigger than merely getting Griffey is the Cubs are probably seeing what is the value of Soriano. Would the Reds and Jockerty trade for Soriano for Griffey, whilile he also trades Dunn in revamping his team? They get nothing for Griffey if he retires, he is not a Class One FA unless they offer arbitration plus they lose the $4M. Cubs could trade a player a caliber of Patterson and possibly make some sort of money deal.

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on May 7, 2008 11:18 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's ridiculous

Mark DeRosa is the 2nd baseman on this ballclub. And a very good one at that. Ryan Theriot will remain starting shortstop. If you want to argue about his contributions, then go right ahead. I’ll take a sparkplug type that is hitting .320 with a near .400 OBP any day of the week. Ronny Cedeno will get more playing time at 2nd and SS.

Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.

by MDBNIU on May 7, 2008 11:25 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No Hank White today?

Not complaining, but surprised.

by salparadise23 on May 7, 2008 10:55 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Soto's got to have

endurance to get through the post; might as well work on making that happen now.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 11:16 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

everyone needs endurance to get through these game post.

you also gottta be quick when jumping to the overflow.

by xene on May 7, 2008 11:18 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed... lol

n/t

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Lou In Blue on May 7, 2008 11:19 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I'm considering PEDs for my index finger to be able to hit the 'Z' key faster.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 7, 2008 11:24 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am considering

getting one of those bird devices that Homer Simpson employed to hit the “Y” while he was working from home due to his weight gain.

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 7, 2008 11:27 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hahaha

but that’s still very slow. you’ll never catch up to the latest post.

by xene on May 7, 2008 11:29 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But,

you’ll double your productivity!

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 11:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I gotta give myself

some time to read each post, which I could do while the bird is recovering ;)

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 7, 2008 11:32 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well...

see, the thing is that you have to be able to read 3 posts at once. Know which ones to skip. Like just about anything from MDBNIU is an automatic skip. Thats part of the endurance drewish was talking about.

by xene on May 7, 2008 11:36 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lee

looks like he could use a couple days off; I too was hoping for Ward today. I read something about him (Ward) having sore hamstrings. They must be sore from being constricted on the bench every day. Has Ward started more than a single game this year?

"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue." - George F. Will

by Slakkr on May 7, 2008 11:01 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I predict

everyone will be glad DLee played today within the next two hours.

by DGU on May 7, 2008 11:39 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lou's pregame comments...

...per Gameday audio: Lieber is stretched out to throw “between 70 to 80 pitches.” And Soriano needs a rest after playing six games in a row.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 7, 2008 11:14 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So we'll probably see Gallagher today, as well.

Hopefully, Lieber can get through 5 with those 70-80 pitches, then Gallagher handles th 6th and 7th, Marmol the 18th, and Wood the 9th.

Better yet, let’s blow them out and Let Lieber pitch one half and Gallagher pitch the other!

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 11:17 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No way

Better not be an 18 inning game today!

by salparadise23 on May 7, 2008 11:24 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wood's pitched two days in a row already...

...so I don’t think Lou will put him out there again. I neglected to mention that, in the pregame, Lou mentioned wanting to give Howry some work. So maybe Lieber to Gallagher to Howry to Marmol.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 7, 2008 11:26 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good plan

I bet we see Sean Gallagher today.

Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.

by MDBNIU on May 7, 2008 11:26 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Will we get the regular Jon today?

Or the Liber-ace!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 11:17 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ROTFL

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 11:19 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ba-bum, tsssss !!

Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.

by MDBNIU on May 7, 2008 11:27 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WELCOME BACK!!

How was the fishing?

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 7, 2008 11:28 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The fishing was slow...

but we had a great time.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 11:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he's back, everybody...

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 11:38 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Soto should be rested more

Henry Blanco is an asset to this ballclub. I dont’ want to see Geo Soto run into the ground before summer heat even arrives.

Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.

by MDBNIU on May 7, 2008 11:26 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's up here? Is Leo managing the club? Give your number one catcher

the day off after a night game.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 7, 2008 11:28 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, that is strange.

Maybe Blanco got another tattoo and he has some kinda skin irritation.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 7, 2008 11:29 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Leo...

... never had interleague games where he could “rest” players at DH. Those games are nearly here.

Dome-san!!

by Goat Whisperer on May 7, 2008 11:38 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just chill...

Lieber is gonna give us the 2:10 minute game today anyway….Soto will be pulled after the 7th for Blanco, so he’ll be plenty rested.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 11:31 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Reds lineup

C. Patterson cf
J. Hairston Jr. ss
K. Griffey Jr. rf
B. Phillips 2b
J. Votto 1b
A. Dunn lf
E. Encarnacion 3b
P. Bako c
E. Volquez p

Try to contain your love for those first two names.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 7, 2008 11:35 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, yeah. Always forget about him.

I swear, this Reds team needs Neifi. They need him.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 7, 2008 11:39 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And Jones

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 11:39 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Roberto Novoa?

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 7, 2008 11:40 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Excellent ideas one and all.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 7, 2008 11:41 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Latroy Hawkins

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 11:41 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jose Macias

Felix Pie must play everyday!

by JB 23 on May 7, 2008 11:42 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this is a who's who

of the Hall of Suck.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 11:43 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jody Gerut

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 11:43 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 11:43 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's retired.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 7, 2008 11:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well, cross him off then...

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on May 7, 2008 11:53 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good Lord.

Seeing that one-two combination just made throw up in mouth a little.

Hairston at SS?

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 11:38 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL....

the Reds Ball-Head mascot just ate it hard falling off the back of the Quad racing along the warning track! His big baseball head popped off and went rolling along the outfield wall!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 11:37 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh man...wish I'd seen that.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 7, 2008 11:39 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love Patterson leading off for the other team

and Jerry Hairston Jr. batting 2nd.

In Dusty I trusty.

by zevkalman on May 7, 2008 11:39 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lets get some runs Cubbies!
Overflow Thread…..

KIDDING!!!

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Lou In Blue on May 7, 2008 11:40 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude...

that’s like yelling “fire” in crowded theater…don’t do that!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 11:41 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probably right...

Just trying to get around that Liberace photo you posted early!

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Lou In Blue on May 7, 2008 11:42 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Volquez

I think this guy is going to make Cubs hitters look bad today. This guy can pitch.

So nobody has to see the scroll bar on my posts!!!!

by McRipper on May 7, 2008 11:41 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

a little chin music

for The Riot…

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 11:42 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and walks.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 11:42 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ron sounding bad again today.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 11:42 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what?

he ALWAYS gargles with gravel before the game…

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 11:42 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I feel bad for him.

He said he’s on antibiotics. Sucks to be that sick.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 7, 2008 11:44 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah. I know he's a gamer, but WGN should've put Ron on the bench.

He sounds like he’s in pain.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 11:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I say

bring up Dempster on day’s he ain’t pitching.

Okay, "Wendy: hot and juicy redhead." Give this a try.

by neverAcquiesce on May 7, 2008 11:46 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow that's a great idea.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 7, 2008 11:59 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice approach by Theriot.

Volquez will walk a few…

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 11:42 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lieber likes the "blue uniform" look that Z likes....

He’ll keep up the tradition better than Jason Marquis I hope.

by zevkalman on May 7, 2008 11:43 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gameday

is already a batter behind.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 11:43 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pretty sweet play by Encarnacion there.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 11:44 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Man Lee is really struggling

"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry

by Jayo525 on May 7, 2008 11:45 AM CDT reply reply