Open Thread: Cubs vs. Reds, Wednesday 5/7, 11:35 CT
by Al Yellon on May 7, 2008 8:02 AM CDT
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PrintChicago Cubs at Cincinnati Reds, May 7, 2008 11:35 AM CDT
It's baseball with an early lunch today as the Cubs have one of only two 11:35 am (CDT) starts this year (the other will be August 27 in Pittsburgh). And with Jon Lieber pitching, it's got a fair chance of being over before afternoon rush hour.
A few morning headlines:- Lou Piniella says changes may be coming. He's particularly unhappy with team defense:
"The state of the Cubs?" he said before Tuesday night's game with the Reds. "We've got to get better. That's really the state. We got off to a really good start, and we've given some of that back. We need to improve defensively, I can tell you that.
"That's an area, definitely, that needs improvement, and it's going to be my job to put people out there who can catch the ball. I can't do it in every, every position, but I'm going to do it in as many positions as I can."
- Scott Eyre may rejoin the Cubs on Friday. Please, Lou and Jim, please. Send a pitcher down when Eyre comes back. A 13-man staff is asking for trouble.
- Batting coach Gerald Perry might be fined after his ejection on Monday. I agree with Paul Sullivan's comment:
Unless a coach or manager is constantly chirping, the plate umpire usually just tells him to pipe down. Are some umpires trigger-happy these days when it comes to hearing a dissenting view from the dugout?
- The MLBPA is still investigating alleged collusion regarding certain free agents who were not and still are not signed for 2008. Free advice: get a life.
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Despite drawing four walks in five innings off Volquez at Wrigley Field on April 17, the Cubs could manage only four hits and a run, in the only game the Reds won in that series, and the only time Volquez has faced the Cubs. Reed Johnson had two of the four hits.
By contrast, Jon Lieber, who's been around forever (one of his teammates his rookie year in Pittsburgh was Lance Parrish), has made 26 career appearances (24 starts) vs. the Reds and is 11-8, 4.04, pretty close to his career averages against all teams. Though Adam Dunn has hit two HR off him (in 27 AB), the remarkable Lieber vs. Dunn stat is that Lieber has never walked Dunn.
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Anyone care to speculate what the changes are Lou is referring to?
I look around the lineup and the only one I see is at 2B….we may have seen the change last night-Cedeno at 2B for both glove and stick. I can’t think of another position he can or would change for defensive purposes-unless he means to send down Pie and the Gammons blog rumor of bringing in a left handed outfielder comes to pass…...or Cedeno at SS and DeRosa at 2B (Al’s fave).
BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"
Shortstop
is the position where we have the biggest gaping hole defensively, but I’m not sure Lou believes that.
Why do you think Pie would be sent down if we are looking for better defense? Pie’s defense is top notch.
by DGU on May 7, 2008 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Good question.
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Agree on Pie's defense....
...and it appears that the context of Lou’s remarks related to defense-but it’s hard to say if that’s all he was talking about. He mentions how the team has to play better as a whole and how other teams are laying for us this year. When Gammons spoke on Baseball tonight-he practically spoke in first person as though he had his info from Hendry/Lou directly.
BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"
I didn't see Gammons on BBTN
but I did read the blog. Did he say something different than what he said on the blog?
I, for one, hope we don’t bring in a LH OF. We have Felix Pie. Felix is getting it. There are few LH OFs out there (and probably none available) who will make our ballclub better. Almost all of them make our defense worse.
by DGU on May 7, 2008 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Gammons was on last night....
I can’t quote verbatim what he said, but it related to outfielders the Cubs may be interested in-Griffey is a good fit except for his option..and there were others who’s names escape me now Bradley? Crisp? What struck me and remains impressed in my memory was how authoritatively Gammons spoke as though he were a total insider to the decision process and as though a move was a foregone conclusion.
Lou’s words obviously carry more weight though—especially where he uses words like might and hope:
“We might have to make some changes, yeah,” he said. “I hope not. I really hope not. I hope that we can stay just the way we are. We’re going through a little bit of a rough spell and that we can work our way through it.
“I’ve been giving some thought about doing some things with the baseball team. There’s no rush. But at the same time, there’s some food for thought.”
BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"
Griffey
Is no better than Pie now. That’s too much money to spend for a guy who’s hitting .230. I would much rather see Pie than Griffey. Just because he has a name doesn’t mean he’ll make us any better. We’ve got power hitters in Lee, Soriano, Ramirez, and Soto. Griffey would just slow us down.
Pie has to stay....I am confident Lou can see the lack of range
..everyday at SS. Problem is its hard to bench the guy when he is hitting .325 /397 /421
Something has to give and it shouldnt be Pie.
Felix Pie must play everyday!
SS is a silent problem...
Theriot doesn’t make mistakes, he just can’t make plays. So Lou doesn’t see Theriot screwing up. As for glaring defensive problems, it’s been 2B and LF. But I will be surprised if Piniella makes a change in LF.
I didn’t read that article as evidence that Piniella is going to make changes. I read it as “if things don’t change soon, then I may have to make changes.” I suspect he’s just trying to light a fire under the players.
Not Theriot
Theriot is hitting too well to be removed from the line up. I think it most likely will be 2B, with Cedeno getting the majority of playing time and DeRo platooning at LF RF 3B 2B, etc.
They call me MISTER Fukudome!
Theriot/Cedeno
I don’t understand why Theriot isn’t at 2nd and Cedeno at short. That seems like a much better combo. DeRosa can supersub. Cedeno is putting up very good numbers. It’s almost as if Hendry got what he wanted without shipping 4 stud prospects.
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by dr stabbingworth on May 7, 2008 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
If Theriot had been at his best position (2b) and Cedeno at his (SS), would that DP have been botched last night?
And I just don’t get how Theriot’s hitting saves his spot at SS when Cedeno is hitting better (.373/.458/.549).
by DGU on May 7, 2008 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I too agree
that Cedeno should be at short and TheRiot at 2b. But, if Lou made that change he would have to make it permanently (meaning Cedeno everyday at short), and while all of us seem convinced that this move would be in the best interests of the club, Lou doesn’t seem convinced of this fact.
Switching Theriot back and forth depending on when Cedeno plays would be detrimental to his already fragile defensive skills. There is always a lot of talk about a players struggling when switching sides of the infield as it changes the player’s footwork (especially on double plays) and how they see the ball coming off the bat. Thus, it is always better to keep MI on the same side of the infield whenever possible.
Personally, I would be excited to see Cedeno made the everyday shortstop on TheRiot the 2B. I think our defense would be better and our offense would be better. DeRo could then be the super sub, spelling Ram, Sori, and Dome, and even DLee at times. This arrangement just seems to maximize everyone’s abilities.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on May 7, 2008 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would love to see that combo too,
but DeRo seems to be lou’s security blanket. He seems to want to keep the second base spot reserved for him if one of the other regulars is not hurt. That is keeping Theriot at short adn Cedeno out of the lineup on a regular basis.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 7, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Code word for Ronny Cedeno playing more
That’s what I think Lou means. I think we will see Cedeno play a little more 2nd base and shortstop, and quite possibly even some center field. Maybe he gets 3-4 starts a week???
Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.
agreed
this is lou’s way of saying that cedeno will get a couple more starts a week. i dont see him filling in at center though.
"Anytime I want to throw 95 or 96 (m.p.h.), I can throw it. But it's not how hard you throw in the big leagues. It's how you locate your pitches and learn to pitch the game." - If Zambrano has truly figured out how to pitch, look out.
let's not forget, though
that Cedeno is not a very smart ballplayer. Even more than the numbers he has put up in the past, it’s been his mental lapses and lack of instincts for the game that has driven fans insane. At least now he’s showing some offensive promise, but let’s remember that Ronnie the Remedial Baseball Player will return.
I disagree
For the sake of argument, lets think about all these “boneheaded” plays Cedeno makes.
Overslid 2nd on a walk – when he had the sign to steal.
Airmailed a few balls to 1st…
....what else?
Again, this is for the sake of argument and I hope to remind myself of what everyone’s referring to when they say Cedeno is not a smart player. I’ve seen a very very good and solid player so far this year….i.e. ONCEDEC
by cubsonWGN4ever on May 7, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
ONCE DEC, twice shy
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
he certainly
seems to have figured it out. He’s had an AH-HAH moment.
We just need a picture of him with a lightbulb going off over his head…
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
my fave too.
No way you bench DeRosa and keep Theriot in.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
With Lou now stating defense is a problem
it will be interesting to see who gets blamed and who gets more playing time. DeRoMyHero has an interesting post under the recap wondering if DeRosa getting moved around so much has affected his defense. I guess the question, then, is if you leave DeRosa at 2B and move Ronny more – is he more likely to be defensively stable? I’m not sure that he is.
The other question is – do we need our players moving around so much to different positions, or is that mostly a function of Lou trying to squeeze Mike Fontenot’s left-handedness into the lineup so often? If Sori’s injured, just play Murton/Johnson. If Rami’s injured, just play Cedeno. Sure, they’re right-handed, but they also play better than Fontenot and it’s not like offense has been the problem.
I dunno.
Moving DeRo around last year didn’t affect his defense that much. I’m not sure why this year should be any different.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I wonder if we're only seeing a blip
caused mostly by the interruption in spring training for DeRosa. Give him a full season and this will all even out.
by DGU on May 7, 2008 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I think he is just
a bit tired and needs a couple of days off. His bat is real slow and he is pulling off a lot of pitches. Signs of a tired ballplayer.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 7, 2008 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I think it's a sign of him coming back to earth
DeRo needs to learn to swing for contact. You can always tell when he gets ahead in the count he’ll take one massive swing for the fences, then strike out on the next pitch. And after seeing him at Wrigley recently, his defensive technique is lazy.
I agree though, he does look tired.
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by dr stabbingworth on May 7, 2008 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Sometimes I think he thinks he
is a homerun hitter. He will hit the occasional dinger but his value is really driving in runs with base hits. He has a good eye and knows how to work the count in his favor, bu i agree that when he gets his pitch in a favorable count he overswings.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 7, 2008 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions
without a doubt
starting last week it looked like he thought he was barry bonds at the plate. im not sure why he thinks he’s a power hitter, but he definitely has this idea in his head that a homer is more important than a groundball to the right side with a runner on third and less than two outs.
"Anytime I want to throw 95 or 96 (m.p.h.), I can throw it. But it's not how hard you throw in the big leagues. It's how you locate your pitches and learn to pitch the game." - If Zambrano has truly figured out how to pitch, look out.
DeRosa is a quality 2nd baseman
He certainly has had some hiccups in the early going, but overall he is a sound defensive 2nd baseman.
Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.
I think
there’s a big difference between moving De-Ro between three very different positions - 2nd, 3rd, LF - and moving Cedeno between SS and 3rd.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I hope this means Lou has noticed
what many of us did long ago: Ryan Theriot is a bad defensive shortstop. Not a strong arm, very limited range, and does not get a good break on the ball. It might seem silly to bench a guy hitting .322, but he has no power, has only 9 RBI, and leads the league in CS. Couple that with poor defense and it seems he’s ready to assume the role he’s best suited for, and that’s to be the reserve IF.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on May 7, 2008 8:30 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
The Theriot hate is out of control here
His only job is to play adequate defense and get on in front of Lee and Ramirez. You want to bench a guy getting on base 40% of the time? That’s absurd.
DeRosa is struggling at the plate and plays worse defense than Theriot. He’s the kind of guy who has bench players stamped all over him.
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by dr stabbingworth on May 7, 2008 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Theriot has been hitting well
but in no way is he a better player than DeRosa. DeRosa is more versatile, has more power and yes, walks more. The only thing Theriot might have on him is BA but let’s see as the season progresses.
The problem is that Theriot doesn't fit the roster well.
He isn’t as good a SS as Cedeno nor as good a 2B as DeRosa. His career numbers in both the majors and minors have a lot of fans scared he’s in for a downward correction and that Lou will keep playing him through an unending slump.
Rumors are that the Rockies are searching for middle IF help and a pitcher who can eat innings. I think it would be great for the Cubs if we could package Marquis and Theriot together in a trade to the Rox. Then we can let our better players take over their playing time.
by DGU on May 7, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions
What do the Rockies have to give?
Off of the ML roster, there’s not much –
The easiest trade would net us Scott Podsednik. I really, really don’t want to see that. I think if we gave both Theriot and Marquis we could expect more than Pods. Omar Quintanilla could be a useful piece to the Cubs as a LH utility player, upgrading Fontenot, at least in versatility. He would be a throw-in piece.
The real goodies would come from their farm system where they have both pitching and hitting.
by DGU on May 7, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Ugh.
The Cubs don’t need Podsednik.
What they’d likely get for Theriot would be a lower-level pitching prospect. That’d be OK with me.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
hawpe
brad hawpe is the only player i can think of that the cubs could want off the rockies lineup. getting him would require that we give up a lot and move dome to cf, but it would provide a good lh bat for sure. (but surely i don’t think it will happen – the rox have no reason to want to give him up) Quintailla is not ready and is only up because of tulo’s injury.
... now if we could trade soriano for holiday i’d do that i a cold minute!
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
Quintanilla is as ready as Fontenot
and has the added ability of being able to play any IF position.
Disagree
DeRosa is a butcher in the field. Also, when, and if, Theriot stops hitting, then he can be benched. He’s managed .320/.390 for 25 games so far. Let him ride it out.
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by dr stabbingworth on May 7, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
The opinions stated as fact here
are hysterical. DeRosa is fine at 2nd. Certainly as good as Theriot. Let’s see Theriot try and play a different position everyday.
a butcher?
Maybe in the Bizarro world. But in the Bizarro world, the Cubs have won every WS since 1908 (that one loss really rankles Bizarro Lou) so it’s ok for him to be serving up the bizarro lamb.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I reject them!
And It’ll be a cold day in hell when I recognize Missouri too!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh Abe...
n/t
Okay, "Wendy: hot and juicy redhead." Give this a try.
by neverAcquiesce on May 7, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Oprah told me not to.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
He doesn't play adequate defense,
and the outs he makes on the basepaths (already 3 or 4), coupled with his CS’s (6) mitigate any added benefit his OBP provides. I love how the Theriot crowd spent all last season telling us not to look at stats, and now they break the backs bending over backwards to nutpick his stats to find some justification for him to keep his starting job.
I don’t hate Theriot; I just don’t want him starting. I want him on the team, he’s perfect for the reserve IF role, but his poor defense, lack of power, and ineptitude on the basepaths prohibit me from accepting any arguments for him to continue in a starting role.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
This is how I feel, too.
I definitely don’t hate Theriot per se. In fact, I think he’s done a damn good job of getting on base thus far. The main problem is defense: His lack of range and arm strength are the pink elephant in the room that many Cubs fans (and perhaps Lou himself) don’t want to talk about.
If 1Dec truly has figured it out offensively - and he seems to be proving again and again that he has - he would give the team just as much OBP as Theriot with more slugging and better defense.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
The riot
would have a few more RBIs if the lead-off spot wasn’t such a black hole.
by salparadise23 on May 7, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions
It's his complete lack of power,
not an ineffective leadoff cabal, that keeps his RBI total low.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
plus the fact he's batting #2
------ TheRiot Squad ------
by RightFieldSucks on May 7, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Defensive Upgrades
The only guys I can see who are not getting regular playing time who would be defensive upgrades are Pie and Cedeno.
Go ahead Lou, bring ‘em in. And if Cedeno is the best defensive shortstop on the club (which is at least a distinct possibility), then wouldn’t it be better to play him there, with Theroit vying with Derosa for the 2B/Utility role.
Is there an adequate explanation
for Theriot’s poor base stealing percentage this year? Are pitchers and catchers paying more attention to him? Is he getting consistently bad jumps? Is he picking the wrong time in the count to attempt a steal?
It just seems odd that a guy would go from a 88% success rate last year (28 of 34) to his abysmal success rate this year of 57% (8 of 14).
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
Small sample size?
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 7, 2008 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps.
His last two years in the minors, he posted 71% (AA) and 82% (AAA), but the two seasons prior, he was only slightly above 50%. Maybe it’ll even out.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Maybe
but assuming he reached his percentage from last year, he would have to be unbelievably successful for the rest of the year. He would have to go 20 for his next 20 just to reach last year’s numbers.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
He is not reading the pitcher as well
and his jump seems to be a little delayed. It’s almost like his focus isn’t 100% on stealing that bag.
It’s not like he’s getting picked by a strong pitcher (e.g. Z’s pick at 2nd last night) or by a pitcher that has something like 1.1 time to the plate. Riot simply isn’t reading the pitcher and getting the jump.
Theriot needs to run less
The stolen base in today’s game is very overrated. There are very few players in this league where the stolen base is a true weapon and a game disruptor. Jose Reyes is one name that comes to mind. If Theriot can’t steal bases at a 85% success rate then he should stop running. The Cubs have too much offensive firepower in the middle of the lineup for Theriot (or any of the top of the order hitters) to run this team out of an inning.
Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.
true dat.
It was nice to lead from the very beginning!
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Anyone
less than excited about Erye’s return? To think that we may send down a position player to make room Eyre, in particular, is not inspiring. Boy has the worm turned here on Theriot; last year at this time everyone screamed to get him into the line- up every day. Is it possible that Lou may recognize that Ryan is more dependable than Ronny when playing every day? Ronny has been great in the role he has played this year. This is a good thing- it doesn’t automatically translate to the same thing as a regular.
In Lou I trust.
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue." - George F. Will
I tend o agree but I think that
the thing that seperates Cedeno from other part time players is his variety of talents. Bench players are bench players beacause they lack some part of a complete game. If Cedeno is at the point in his career where he is ready to play like this on a consistent basis, you want him on the field and not on the bench.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 7, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I see
what you are saying. I hope Cedeno continues to excell, and if he does, moves into the ss role every day. It just seems that some dog on Theriot w/o much reasoning, other than lack of range, which isn’t easy to evaluate. Ryan’s two out steal, led to the winning run yesterday. For me, this is the type of guy I want on the field, often.
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue." - George F. Will
Reds
I have a question to ask, and since it pertains to the Reds I am not going make a new post, since I figured everyone would rip me apart if I do. But I live near Dayton Ohio and the big news around here is is that Ken Griffey Jr. wants to be traded sooner rather than later and go to contender, or back to Seattle. Should we think about maybe making a play for him? I know that the Reds will probably not even think of trading him in the division. But it’s just a thought.
Wendyzman
We have a RF'er
Griffey cannot play CF any longer. Fukudome seems more comfortable in CF. Moving him to CF full-time seems a mistake to me especially since Lou is already complaining about defense.
Agreed
this move would hurt us defensively and offensively as well since Griffey is not having one of his better years thus far.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
Oh, brother.
This was done to death in another thread because of a casual mention in a MLBTR post.
If Griffey goes anywhere, it’ll be to an AL team where he can DH part-time. Seattle seems a likely destination.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Tim Deirkes
loves the Cubs and it shows in his posts. It can be a little annoying because his desire to see certain things happen clouds the issue.
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by dr stabbingworth on May 7, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm most concerned that the Cubs
don’t let this kid off the hook this time. In their chance for the sweep a couple weeks ago, they had a glorious chance in B2 and blew it. The kid was running up the PC and was in trouble. The Cubs let him off the hook; primarily Blanco. They cannot do it this time and I sure hope Geo is starting today.
The hate for DeRosa and Theriot is ridiculous
All Mark DeRosa does is unselfishly produce for this ballclub. While he looks a bit tired at the plate and in the field, fact is his numbers are once again very impressive. DeRosa is a quality 2nd baseman who puts the team before himself and agrees to play all over the diamond and in the outfield. I’ll take what he means to this ballclub and his production any day. Lou knows he is immensely valuable.
All Ryan Theriot does is serve as the spark plug, never quit energy source of this ballclub. He may not be ideally suited to play shortstop everyday, but his hustle in the field has resulted in surprisingly decent defense. And what he brings to the Cub offense is infectious. Lou understands his value too. In fact, Lou is the guy to credit for Theriot becoming the integral ballplayer that he is today.
Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.
Scrappy man, scrappy!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 7, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't hate either one
DeRo has hit the wall a bit lately (fielding and batting). His fielding issues can be attributed to 5 positions played. That’s more than anyone else on the team. TheRiot is just not focusing on his base stealing. His “D” is good and I’m impressed with the ~.320 BA and ~.390 OBP.
Take it easy
there is no “hate” for either of them. We appreciate the contributions they make for the club. There are just those of us who think their talents could be better utilized. DeRo is a good ballplayer and an even more unselfish person, it seems, who is, as you say, immensely valuable to this team. He has just looked tired the last few games. There is nothing wrong with calling for him to get a day off so he can help the team better in the future.
As for TheRiot, I wouldn’t call him integral. He is important to this team’s success, especially with the offensive numbers he has put up this far. But, if he enters a drought, like he did last Sept. he does not help the team. Defensively is another animal altogether. Theriot’s skill set is much better suited for 2b, but because we didn’t have an adequate solution at SS last season and a log jam at 2b. This year, we have Cedeno, who has turned a corner offensively and is much better suited for SS than Theriot.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on May 7, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well said.
It seems like whenever anybody points out a player’s deficiencies, they’re automatically labeled a “hater”.
Agree
But DeRosa needs to swing for contact no matter what the count is.
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by dr stabbingworth on May 7, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Lou's comments on Defense amount to a general threat more than anything
He wants the guys who can hit in the lineup, he just wants everyone to be more solid in the field. Maybe it’s time to hit more fungoes. I don’t think Fontenot, Soriano, or DeRosa are necessarily implicated by this. But I do see DeRosa losing starts to Cedeno for a little while.
Well
Agreed on Derosa, but re:
his hustle in the field has resulted in surprisingly decent defense. And what he brings to the Cub offense is infectious
No. Just no. His hustle in the field has resulted in the fourth lowest RZR among qualified SS. In case you’re unaware, that’s bad. And i hope what he’s doing on the basepaths isn’t infectious or the whole team will start running into outs and getting caught stealing.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
You're clueless
I’m done responding to your posts. They’re either inflammatory or wrought with cluelessness for the game of baseball. You dont’ respond to me, and I won’t respond to you. That way we’ll both be happy.
Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.
No, sir, you are clueless.
Your claims have no evidence to back them up, you lack any willingness to understand the game beyond what your purported college career taught you, and solely on that basis you pronounce on the baseball acumen of others.
I shall try not to respond to your idiocy, but some stupidity must be confronted.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Weird.
I’ve seen other people respond much more viciously to your posts and you’ve said nothing. All gary did was cite a well-respected stat to refute your point about Theriot’s defense and remark on Theriot’s dubious stolen base results thus far. Weird.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
So with the collusion investigation I assume they're talking about Sosa and Bonds?
But wasn’t Bonds the one guy who isn’t part of the MLBPA? Is there anyone else I’m not thinking of? Lofton?
I'm not sure, but
I’m pretty sure they’re talking about Sammy and Bonds. I had no idea about the Bonds and others not being part of the MLBPA.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Bonds is in the MLBPA.
He has a separate licensing agreement for his name and image and merchandise, so he’s not part of MLBPA’s marketing, which is why you used to see “SF Left Fielder” in certain online fantasy games. They could use his stats but not his name.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I see.
So this investigation is about he and Sammy, then?
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Not exclusively, no.
I still think it’s ridiculous. Teams have decided - NOT NECESSARILY COLLUDED - that they can get by with cheaper players.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Yeah.
Perhaps it’s just a labor union doing some due diligence work.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Bonds
I have no doubt there is collusion going on here. There are several teams that could use his services, especially in the AL, and that includes the thought of his baggage. Even the Cubs would be an excellent fit for him.
Sammy though, he just needs to retire. He’s done.
my owner buys me the expensive cat food, but i'll just eat this dvd shrinkwrap and that bug over there
by dr stabbingworth on May 7, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
No.
The Cubs would NOT be an excellent fit for him. Please, god, no.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Only names I've heard
so far are Bonds and Lofton.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"
Scott Eyre is needed
I don’t by for a minute that the Cubs will go with 13 pitchers. That being said, the return of Scott Eyre is important. If he is pitching to his capabilities then he is a very important cog to this bullpen. I would guess that Chad Fox will get sent down when Eyre comes off the DL.
Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.
We agree AGAIN
this trend is scary..Fox is out I think.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
Too bad
Fox did a nice job and was a good story.
my owner buys me the expensive cat food, but i'll just eat this dvd shrinkwrap and that bug over there
by dr stabbingworth on May 7, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed on Fox.
Sending down a position player seems a bit ridiculous.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
ONEDEC
I guess I don’t read often enough to know the genesis of this. I know it’s Cedeno backwards, but can someone let me know how this originated?
sknahT
Because...
... Cedeno has “turned it around” this year. So we turned his name around.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
the cubs will not trade riot
so many people would get PISSED! theriot would bitch to the media for a month, carrie muskat would lose her number 1 soundbite/sex slave, and all those t-shirts would have to be taken to goodwill
not happening (although i want RRRRRRonny! in at SS for sure)
"I'll play any day. I don't care if I'm 0-for-30, playing baseball is my PASSION. I'll go out and play." - Geo Soto
I don't think theriot would ever bitch at the media
he seems to be a bit too classy for that , which is part of the reason a lot of people like him. Hey I think he can be a good player, just not an everyday major league shortstop. This is especially true when the guy who was the future SS of the organization has finally seemed to figure out how to play.
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Look at their fielding statistics
how can anyone say that cedeno is the much better fielder? In 2006 he commited 23 errors in 134 games. In 108 games at SS last year Theriot had 8 errors.
That's in part
because Cedeno got to some balls and batched them that Theriot would not come close to
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
Then...
what is the difference? Player A gets to balls he botches. Player B does not. Baserunner is safe on both occasions. I will take both Ryan and Ronny on the team. They are both playing well, and offer different skill sets that help the club.
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue." - George F. Will
Agreed.
I don’t want Theriot off the team, either.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
thats purely subjective
I doubt you remember all of ronnys fielding errors in 2006. I am not doubting the fact that cedeno can get to some balls that theriot can’t. I am merely saying 8 errors in 108 games is not bad defense. Ronny might make the amazing play now and then, (although ryans catch the other night was…Nice to say the least) Theriot has shown he can handle the bat much better than ronny.
Ummm....
Theriot has shown he can handle the bat much better than ronny.
You do realize Ronny has doubled Theriot’s RBI total in less than half as many AB’s, don’t you?
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
QED
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
I think you're being a little harsh here...
and maybe a bit over the top (are you in Geometry class with Quod Erat Demonstrandum?)
You can’t compare RBI’s in this case. Theriot bats up in the batting order. Cedeno bats down in the order. RBI is a poor statistic of comparison in this case.
Fine.
(FYI: QED is can also be used at the end of deductive proofs in logic)
Ryan Theriot: .325/.397/.421 112 OPS+
Ronny Cedeno: .373/.458/.549 160 OPS+
Across the board, Ronny’s outhitting Theriot.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
please look
at their career numbers when comparing them. Not one category, this early in the season. categories too be considered .AVG and .OBP. Maybe its just me and I remember the ‘06 too well. The one were he batted .250 with 17 BBS and 100+ K’s.
The point is...
... he looks like an entirely different player than the 2006 version. He appears to have “figured it out”, to have turned things around, thus “ONEDEC”.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Keep moving the goalposts.
You’ll find something soon.
Ronny, minor leagues, career: .276/.323/.395
Theriot, minor leagues, career: .271/.352/.337
Ronny, major leagues, career: .256/.291/.363
Theriot major leagues, career: .284/.350/.385
Nothing there to indicate Theriot handles the bat “much better. The only large disparities are in their minor league SLG and major league OBP.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
I agree about Cedeno being a better hitter than Theriot
I was just questioning the use of using an RBI statistic as a valid comparison of players in different positions of the batting order.
FWIW: QED is also used in old math/physics texts.
i should point out
that emil brown has twice as many rbi’s as travis hafner and ryan howard at this point in the season.
Travis Hafner
is looking hurt, Howard always starts slow and most of those RBI’s (18 of the 28) came in the first two weeks of April. Plus, amidst all that torrid hitting, Brown somehow managed to post an anemic .296 OBP for the month. Howard will come around. Last season, he had 13 RBI in April; he ended up with 136. He’ll be okay. I think Hafner may be hurt, but just for kicks, he had 16 RBI in April last season and ended up with 100. There’s a track record there.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
How so?
He makes a good point.
Theriot: 126 ABs – 9 RBI. plus .325/.397/.421
vs.
Cedeno: 51 ABs – 18 RBI plus .373/.458/.549
Conclusion = allowing for the at-bat difference, they handle the bat equally at least. Certainly Theriot does not handle it “much better.”
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
Not to mention 14 of those RBI have come with 2 outs
I don’t have the numbers i front of me, put I remember a few times where Theriot has had chances with 2 out and failed.
Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs
It not about errors
it’s about Theriot not be able to get to balls he should get to. Teams get more hits because Theriot can’t get to balls he should. Cedeno’s defense is just plain better. Ronny’s problem was always focus, not taking the time to set and throw, etc. His focus thus far this season seems much improved, as does his defense, excepting his moonshoot throw in Pittsburgh!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
I agree about defense but as long as Theriot is hitting he'll stay in the lineup.
But as the season goes on, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Cedeno taking more and more PT from Theriot.
I hope so.
As I’ve said before, I don’t want Theriot off the team, just out of the starting lineup.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
He doesn't even need to be out of the starting lineup
Just playing at 2B.
Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs
No give me DeRosa at 2nd
I still would like for him to settle down a bit on positions. Occasional moves to LF and 3rd are ok but this constant movement this year has to be impacting him.
Agreed.
I’d like to see a set lineup for a week or so.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Heres my concern
The W today. The last two series the Cubs dropped the 1st game won the 2nd and dropped the 3rd. End this trend TODAY
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
+1
I like our chances with Lieber on the mound.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
If he stays in the game, at least it won't last
past a couple of hours.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 7, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I just hope he is careful with
their big left-handed bats. Griffey probably will sit this one out but Dunn will probably be in there. he pitches to contact, so the ball better be down to get those ground balls. The ball can really fly out of that park in the daytime.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 7, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
i like lieber too
but man, volquez has incredible stuff. the key will be taking pitches, as even though he hasn’t allowed many runs he has tended to leave after 5 or 6 innings b/c of pitch count.
if we can get him to throw a lot of pitches, even if we dont score on him we can force in the BP and eat them up
"I'll play any day. I don't care if I'm 0-for-30, playing baseball is my PASSION. I'll go out and play." - Geo Soto
agreed
we need to be patient today, for all of those k’s he has piled up, that k/bb is just a smidge over 2. let him get himself into trouble, otherwise this will be a swift and painful game im afraid.
"Anytime I want to throw 95 or 96 (m.p.h.), I can throw it. But it's not how hard you throw in the big leagues. It's how you locate your pitches and learn to pitch the game." - If Zambrano has truly figured out how to pitch, look out.
i wouldn't mind if lieber stepped up as a number 4 guy.
If Lieber could step up for us even for a couple months in that number 4 spot which isn’t impossible that could be exactly what we need. I am pulling for him in a huge way today. Lets hope he does it.
Speaking of Lieber...
...it’s pretty funny to see his picture right next to Volquez’s at the top of this thread. Lieber looks like Volquez’s high school guidance counselor.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
LOL.
Volquez has kind of a Sideshow Bob thing going on with that hair.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
"Get a life" is pretty harsh advice Al
If I was a union leader and there was even the slightest, remotest possibility that ownership was colluding against my members, or blacklisting some of them, I would be failing my union if I didn’t at least investigate it.
Just because you don’t personally like the players involved doesn’t make the need for an investigation any less legitimate.
I'm a union member and sit on executive councils.
I still think they have to pick their battles. This isn’t one they’re going to win.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I'm guessing they pretty much know they're not going to "win" this one
but if handled correctly, the publicity is probably a good thing. If they make this one all about Bonds & Clemens, then they have NOT handled it correctly. But if they widen the scope and keep other players’ names prominent, it may achieve its desired effect.
For example, if I put a GM hat on (AL most likely) and look at the players mentioned in the ESPN article, I’m thinking…
Bonds – no way. he can still bring it but too much baggage, distractions, etc. not worth it.
Clemens – no way. at the rate he’s going, he’ll makes Bonds’ baggage look like a wallet.
Lofton – probably not. He still might have a spark or two left, but I can’t afford to carry that all season. Maybe a stretch run pickup.
Piazza – worth considering if I’m in the AL and need RH power. Mostly DH, with the occasional 1B or C.
Sosa – same as Piazza but the occasional OF instead. However, if his $$ demands are too high, forget it.
Now if I put my arbitrator hat on (or whoever would hear such a case), I would probably be interested in hearing more about why Piazza and Sosa haven’t been offered contracts, if that is indeed the situation.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I was a Teamster steward at one time and collusion was a fact of life
A very prominent ex-Chicago athlete owned the company and management was in bed with our local BIG time. No more unions for this boy if I can help it. The Chicago Federation of Musician was another pain in the rump-although i have no reason to ever suspect them of wrong doing-they made life miserable for you in trying to play different venues in town.
BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"
If Pie played for the Sox--that might have been a no hitter last night
The ball Mauer hit to left center seemed to stay in the air a fairly long time and Ozzie had Swisher playing CF in the 9th….I think Felix gets to that ball.
BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"
Yeah you hate to see a guy lose a no-no in the 9th
At least it came on a legit hit instead of a little blooper or a meaningless bunt. (Sorry I was channeling my inner Bob Brenley at the end there.
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Love to see
a guy put forth the effort that swisher did on the ball that mauer hit. He left his body out to dry to attempt to preserve the no hitter and seemed genuinely upset with himself that the missed the catch. That’s a good teammate.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
not even close
he was 10 -15 feet away from where that ball landed the dive was meaningless, if he had gotten hurt diving for no reason, I would think people may be looking at it differently
by becauseicare on May 7, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I like Theriot, as SS, but he'd make a better sportscaster
The guy loves being on TV and radio. He’s a good speaker, seems to really relate to people. Chases microphones, and has a photogenic face. More than that, Muskrat loves him :-)
I think once he loses his job in SS, and tires of the daily grind in baseball, he should move to ESPN.
Have you seen Braylon Edwards on NFL Network this week?
That guy is a natural. He’s been great. He kind of strikes as the kind of guy who would be pretty good at just about anything.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Was that Edwards
on the Costas show with Buzz B. and the Deadspin guy?
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"
Yeah.
I felt bad for him on there. Costas just chucked him into the middle of something he had no desire to be a part of….
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Yeah, it really made no sense...
“we’ll take Joe Athlete and ask him pointless questions while these other two guys yell at each other.”
Yeah.
plus, they could’ve gotten Chris Cooley, who, in addition to being a fine athlete, is also a blogger.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Line-Up No Sori, onedec gets the start
R. Johnson lf
R. Theriot ss
D. Lee 1b
A. Ramirez 3b
K. Fukudome rf
G. Soto c
R. Cedeno 2b
F. Pie cf
J. Lieber p
A ugly win is better than a pretty loss-Lou
That is interesting...
...particularly because Soriano had a couple of really nice ABs toward the end of last night’s game.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
WOW!! No Alf--he almost looked gimpy on that double last night
..or maybe the fact thet he hopped ticked Lou off? Or maybe Lous wants someone who doesn’t pout about his lineup position playing left?
BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"
Again with the "pouting" thing...sigh...
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
Has anyone ever
seen Sori pout about anything? That guy is as even keel as anyone. He’s probably not starting because he just came off the injury and with Lieber, you need your best defensive team in the field. He’s not going to get a lot of strikeouts.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 7, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
It's ridiculous...
Soriano has never complained (at least not publicly) about his spot in the batting order. He’s been asked his preference, and he stated that he prefers to bat leadoff. He has also repeatedly said that he’ll do whatever Piniella thinks is best.
Similarly, DeRosa said he’d prefer not to be a utility guy and would prefer to be the everyday 2B. But he also said he’d do whatever is best for the team.
Yet for some reason Soriano gets labeled a pouter and selfish, but DeRosa is widely viewed as a consummate team player and good guy.
IIRC
when the PLAYER’S NAME REDACTED trade was being discussed, and DeRo spoke out, people labeled him as a whiner too.
They’re all professionals, and they’re getting paid a ton of money; they’ll do what’s best for the team.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
DeRosa
Yeah but the reason you see that with DeRosa is because he is playing all of these different positions. Other then Soriano batting in a different place in the lineup a couple times this season you havn’t seen him doing different things which some people believe might be because he is whining behind closed doors. I am not one of those people who believe that but that is the arguement. I do however think that DeRosa is probably the best teem player. But again I think Soriano would do whatever Lou said. But I understand what some people say about him.
excuses
soriano makes excuses and fans don’t like that. when woody blows a save or lee leaves men on base we read that in the post-game press conference that they said “it’s my fault, i should have played better”. they know that they have a responsibility to the team and they take that responsibility, not just when the team is winning, but also when they are losing. that is the difference.
soriano blames the wind:
“I felt very, very comfortable,” Soriano said after Thursday’s loss. “I feel 100 percent with my leg. I think I had a very good jump on the ball. I think the wind got the ball. He hit a line drive off balance, and the ball went like one bounce to the wall.”
or his manager:
“It doesn’t matter” what the count is, he said. “I play seven years, and that’s my game. I’m very aggressive at home plate. I don’t have to change nothing because the manager didn’t say nothing to me.”
this is why people are beginning to think of soriano as a whiner.
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
I don't see it and...
...this stuff about Soriano started long before those quotes. The quotes don’t indicate “excuses” to me. He didn’t abdicate responsibility in the fly ball quote and the defensiveness in the second says more to me about the tone of the question. He’s right to say that unless Lou asks him to change his approach, he shouldn’t. I’m not a big Soriano supporter, but I don’t believe all of this attitude stuff is based in anything factual.
I think the fact that his English isn’t as good as it could be makes it hard to judge as well.
"Baseball is like church- many attend, few understand." ~ Leo Durocher
he doesn't pout
in fact, he barely shows emotion at all, unless his happy.
Sori is a team player. Stop suggesting otherwise.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm.
Would’ve rather seen DLee get a rest than Sori, but probably better not to push Sori’s legs too farr, too soon. I’ll assume he’s available to pinch hit.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
plus it's harder
to sub for Lee.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Well
Derosa can handle first pretty well, but I think you’re right. It’s hard to replace his defense and his bat.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
especially
when DeRo needs a rest.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
glad to see
Pie still in there. Excellent.
I’m betting Sori’s still hurt. And DeRosa gets a rest. Also good.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Here is what I am seeing
Piniella actually sees that the K’s are down so the team needs to make the plays in the field. It is a warning to Theriot that he could be moved to 2B, (OBVIOUSLY) and CF needs to make the plays and then there is LF….
My guess and this is bigger than merely getting Griffey is the Cubs are probably seeing what is the value of Soriano. Would the Reds and Jockerty trade for Soriano for Griffey, whilile he also trades Dunn in revamping his team? They get nothing for Griffey if he retires, he is not a Class One FA unless they offer arbitration plus they lose the $4M. Cubs could trade a player a caliber of Patterson and possibly make some sort of money deal.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
That's ridiculous
Mark DeRosa is the 2nd baseman on this ballclub. And a very good one at that. Ryan Theriot will remain starting shortstop. If you want to argue about his contributions, then go right ahead. I’ll take a sparkplug type that is hitting .320 with a near .400 OBP any day of the week. Ronny Cedeno will get more playing time at 2nd and SS.
Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.
No Hank White today?
Not complaining, but surprised.
Soto's got to have
endurance to get through the post; might as well work on making that happen now.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
everyone needs endurance to get through these game post.
you also gottta be quick when jumping to the overflow.
Agreed... lol
n/t
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
Yeah, I'm considering PEDs for my index finger to be able to hit the 'Z' key faster.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
I am considering
getting one of those bird devices that Homer Simpson employed to hit the “Y” while he was working from home due to his weight gain.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
But,
you’ll double your productivity!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
I gotta give myself
some time to read each post, which I could do while the bird is recovering ;)
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
well...
see, the thing is that you have to be able to read 3 posts at once. Know which ones to skip. Like just about anything from MDBNIU is an automatic skip. Thats part of the endurance drewish was talking about.
Lee
looks like he could use a couple days off; I too was hoping for Ward today. I read something about him (Ward) having sore hamstrings. They must be sore from being constricted on the bench every day. Has Ward started more than a single game this year?
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue." - George F. Will
Lou's pregame comments...
...per Gameday audio: Lieber is stretched out to throw “between 70 to 80 pitches.” And Soriano needs a rest after playing six games in a row.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
So we'll probably see Gallagher today, as well.
Hopefully, Lieber can get through 5 with those 70-80 pitches, then Gallagher handles th 6th and 7th, Marmol the 18th, and Wood the 9th.
Better yet, let’s blow them out and Let Lieber pitch one half and Gallagher pitch the other!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
No way
Better not be an 18 inning game today!
by salparadise23 on May 7, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Wood's pitched two days in a row already...
...so I don’t think Lou will put him out there again. I neglected to mention that, in the pregame, Lou mentioned wanting to give Howry some work. So maybe Lieber to Gallagher to Howry to Marmol.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
Will we get the regular Jon today?
Or the Liber-ace!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 11:17 AM CDT reply actions
ROTFL
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
WELCOME BACK!!
How was the fishing?
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
The fishing was slow...
but we had a great time.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
he's back, everybody...
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Soto should be rested more
Henry Blanco is an asset to this ballclub. I dont’ want to see Geo Soto run into the ground before summer heat even arrives.
Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.
What's up here? Is Leo managing the club? Give your number one catcher
the day off after a night game.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 7, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, that is strange.
Maybe Blanco got another tattoo and he has some kinda skin irritation.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
Leo...
... never had interleague games where he could “rest” players at DH. Those games are nearly here.
Dome-san!!
by Goat Whisperer on May 7, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Just chill...
Lieber is gonna give us the 2:10 minute game today anyway….Soto will be pulled after the 7th for Blanco, so he’ll be plenty rested.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Reds lineup
C. Patterson cf
J. Hairston Jr. ss
K. Griffey Jr. rf
B. Phillips 2b
J. Votto 1b
A. Dunn lf
E. Encarnacion 3b
P. Bako c
E. Volquez p
Try to contain your love for those first two names.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
Oh, yeah. Always forget about him.
I swear, this Reds team needs Neifi. They need him.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
And Jones
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Roberto Novoa?
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
Excellent ideas one and all.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
Latroy Hawkins
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
this is a who's who
of the Hall of Suck.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Jody Gerut
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Winner, winner, chicken dinner!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
He's retired.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
Good Lord.
Seeing that one-two combination just made throw up in mouth a little.
Hairston at SS?
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
LOL....
the Reds Ball-Head mascot just ate it hard falling off the back of the Quad racing along the warning track! His big baseball head popped off and went rolling along the outfield wall!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 11:37 AM CDT reply actions
Oh man...wish I'd seen that.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
I love Patterson leading off for the other team
and Jerry Hairston Jr. batting 2nd.
In Dusty I trusty.
Lets get some runs Cubbies!
Overflow Thread…..
KIDDING!!!
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
Dude...
that’s like yelling “fire” in crowded theater…don’t do that!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Probably right...
Just trying to get around that Liberace photo you posted early!
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
Volquez
I think this guy is going to make Cubs hitters look bad today. This guy can pitch.
So nobody has to see the scroll bar on my posts!!!!
and walks.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Ron sounding bad again today.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
what?
he ALWAYS gargles with gravel before the game…
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I feel bad for him.
He said he’s on antibiotics. Sucks to be that sick.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
Yeah. I know he's a gamer, but WGN should've put Ron on the bench.
He sounds like he’s in pain.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
I say
bring up Dempster on day’s he ain’t pitching.
Okay, "Wendy: hot and juicy redhead." Give this a try.
by neverAcquiesce on May 7, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow that's a great idea.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
Nice approach by Theriot.
Volquez will walk a few…
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Lieber likes the "blue uniform" look that Z likes....
He’ll keep up the tradition better than Jason Marquis I hope.
Pretty sweet play by Encarnacion there.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Man Lee is really struggling
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
He's in a bit of slump,
but Encarnacion made a really nice play on the ball.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Touche, I'm only listening
so I couldn’t tell.
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
ManLee?
New nickname alert!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 11:46 AM CDT reply actions
Haha I caught that too.
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
Is no one...
doing play by play for the game?
I haz show: http://hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on May 7, 2008 11:46 AM CDT reply actions
I think he means here.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
indeed i am
I haz show: http://hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on May 7, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
did Patterson
strike out on two pitches? That’s what it sounded like! :P
2008: The year we put it all together.
Yeah, sounded that way to me, too.
Well, if anyone can do it, Corey can.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
CPat facts
would be the polar opposite of Chuck Norris Facts.
“They say a batter can’t strike out in two pitches. Corey Patterson took that as a challenge.”
Okay, "Wendy: hot and juicy redhead." Give this a try.
by neverAcquiesce on May 7, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL, that would be hilarious.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
He threw the 2 strike slider
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
Throw him high heat, Jon.
He’ll swing.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
I like this outfield configuration...
...speed and great D.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
I don't know about that.
RJ doesn’t have Soriano’s arm.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
Typically hacktastic Dusty lineup today.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
where is sorry today?
"you know they cant loses 162 consecutive games"
by 1021piestrikesout on May 7, 2008 11:52 AM CDT reply actions
Getting a rest.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Playing hop scotch in the dugout
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
End of 1
4 up 3 down. 13 pitches for Lieber in the first.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
Did I hear that right...
The Reds haven’t had an earned run all series?
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
yep
Errors, man. Errors.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Though I think anyone
who gives up a mammoth shot like Demp did to Dunn should be held a bit accountable.
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
I agree.
something about the error being the pitch before or something.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
how many infield hits do the cubs give up each game? 6-7?
"you know they cant loses 162 consecutive games"
by 1021piestrikesout on May 7, 2008 11:57 AM CDT reply actions
PBP
Rammy pops out in foul territory
Fukudome slow roller to first
Soto Walks
Onedec flies out to center
Bottom of 2 coming up.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
thank you LIB
I haz show: http://hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on May 7, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
check out ESPN.com's Gamecast...thats how i do it at work
"you know they cant loses 162 consecutive games"
by 1021piestrikesout on May 7, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow.
That got out in a hurry.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Whoops.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 12:01 PM CDT reply actions
Ruh-Ro, Rorge.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
"Earned" Home Run
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
Deja...Vu!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 12:02 PM CDT reply actions
There's no place like home. There's no place like home. There's no place like home.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
Let me say
I am not thrilled to see Leiber in the starting rotation.
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
I wonder if Brennaman
Thinks BAKO is on the juice too…...4 homers must be near his career high.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
Get him up.
Now.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Marshall, actually.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
wtf
Either there are some signs being stolen, or Lieber is tipping pitches. They are all over his stuff.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Just like a drunk girlfriend.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Or he stinks
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
Um....stop it.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 12:04 PM CDT reply actions
What. Is. Happening?
''As long as he doesn't talk World Series, I'm happy.'' Lou Piniella on Ronny Cedeno.
Lol...
Evidently
''As long as he doesn't talk World Series, I'm happy.'' Lou Piniella on Ronny Cedeno.
by CubsBullsBears on May 7, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Just laughed at that, too.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
Uh.......
Maybe we try Gallagher in the rotation next time and keep Lieber in the pen where he’s look real good. Of course this is me going off gameday.
Marshall up in the 'pen
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Speaking of deja vu... here comes Rothschild to the mound...
DLee approaches mound as well.
Lieber says “what the hell are you doing out here – I can still win this game.”
Rothschild says “I know. I’m just trying to give the fireworks guy time to reload…”
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Save us, Corey!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
Paul Bako now has four home runs this season
He now has tied his season high
"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"
Wow, I'm working the front desk
and just screamed SH*T #$%%$^#$#@, prob not a good idea.
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
No
This is Jon Leiber. Rich Hill please get well soon.
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue." - George F. Will
Typically KKKKKorey.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Thank you, Mr. Patterson!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
Typical Corey or Dusty
Corey and Hairston hitting 1 and 2 in the lineup is a joke
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
Still may get that.
It’s only 3 runs.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
four
Another homer.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I miss Bako
ANd as far as ALs note about collusion one team they wont investigate is CIncy
"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"
At least..
they were solo homers….for what that’s worth…
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"
Thanks you jinxed us
kiddin
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
wtfwtfwtfwtfwtfwtfwtfwtfwtfwtf
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
WTF MATE
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
And jerry goes deep!!!!!!
"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"
Rich Hill,
Your plane ticket is waiting. Welcome back, kid.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Hill
I heard he had a decent start last night…2ER only 1 walk, 5 K’s in 5 innings…
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"
2 run Jerry from harriston
WTF
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
A 2 run Jerry? love it
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
Joke's on us
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
Ok so this starting thing is not going so well.... Sean Gallagher your table is ready
"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"
whut the hay
i thought my gameday was malfunctioning, but no! maybe this’ll be a history book game where both teams hits 15 HRs.
I used to be "Jones," but I got swooped on the redesign.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 12:10 PM CDT reply actions
Thanks for this.
Just what I needed! That’s pretty funny.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
The Leiber Experiment
is over. Sounds like a bad movie.
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
oh, please
He’s having a bad day, and maybe he’s not really suited for starting, but he’s done good work for us so far. Lilly got rocked twice; you gonna pull him too?
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
If you'll excuse me...
...I have to go clean off the ceiling. My head just exploded.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
That makes 4 thus far shooter
Votto, Dunn, Bako, Harriston Jr all with solo shots!!
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
Harriston's was a 2-run shot
''As long as he doesn't talk World Series, I'm happy.'' Lou Piniella on Ronny Cedeno.
by CubsBullsBears on May 7, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you
n/t
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
Defense is not the problem...
starting pitching is. Lilly is not a #2—#3 at best. We have become the Astros.
Well it's a good fucking thing that we sent Hill down.
Much rather have four home runs in an inning than four walks, right? Damn it!
And yet Lieber remains in the game.
Odd, isn’t it. Walk for guys, get yanked and sent down. Give up four dingers, get to finish the inning.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Ah, I see.
I really don’t understand what Lou is doing with the pitching staff. It’s almost Yostian in its proportions.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Back to being the sweet manlee receptionist
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
Has Lou seen enough yet?
Anyone watching the game, is he pacing frantically?
''As long as he doesn't talk World Series, I'm happy.'' Lou Piniella on Ronny Cedeno.
And the inning continues.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
Someone get Lieber up in the pen
were going to need a long man… lol
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
Why does god hate us
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
kinda hard to clog the bases with all these home runs...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Dusty is in heaven
''As long as he doesn't talk World Series, I'm happy.'' Lou Piniella on Ronny Cedeno.
by CubsBullsBears on May 7, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
On a slightly more optimistic note...
Lieber isn’t walking anyone.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 12:13 PM CDT reply actions
No...
Lieber sucks today, Cubs do not suck.
''As long as he doesn't talk World Series, I'm happy.'' Lou Piniella on Ronny Cedeno.
by CubsBullsBears on May 7, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
You can go now. Thanks.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
True, but Thom
also enjoys kicking ponies and punching puppies.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Leiber has nothing on his fastball
according to Gameday.
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
i'm not a doctor
I just play one with my keyboard.
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
Nothing...
except the barrels of the Red’s bats.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea!!!!!!!!!!
Someone hit a ball into one of our mitts
"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"
I do
"you know they cant loses 162 consecutive games"
by 1021piestrikesout on May 7, 2008 12:15 PM CDT reply actions
Out of the inning
with minor damage done…. Lieber pitch count at 49
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
Tell the Cubs fans there to start throwing balls
on the field.
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
I suggest a 2 man rotation for
the rest of the season
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
Who's warming up in the pen?
''As long as he doesn't talk World Series, I'm happy.'' Lou Piniella on Ronny Cedeno.
Marshall was
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
there goes my positive sales attitude....
"you know they cant loses 162 consecutive games"
by 1021piestrikesout on May 7, 2008 12:16 PM CDT reply actions
2008: a year just like any other year...
"you know they cant loses 162 consecutive games"
by 1021piestrikesout on May 7, 2008 12:17 PM CDT reply actions
we need to start taking some pitches
Volquez struggles with his control. Looks like our guys have been hacking like it’s getaway day. (At least the second inning other than Soto).
Theriot's walked once
and Lee and Soto have had some good AB’s but otherwise, yeah.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
but
ten to one pie strikes out…
"you know they cant loses 162 consecutive games"
by 1021piestrikesout on May 7, 2008 12:17 PM CDT reply actions
Welcome to BCB.
Can you ease up on the negativity a bit? Thanks.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
Bet 10 to 1
you get some perverse pleasure out of seeing a player on the team you purport to support fail. What a fan you are.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
oh i more than most bleed cubbie blue...
this is why i chastise….
"you know they cant loses 162 consecutive games"
by 1021piestrikesout on May 7, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Do us all a favor then...
bleed quieter.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
then you've got it wrong.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Wel, then
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Well, Your reasoning and sig line are full of
http://forum.alsacreations.com/upload/2043-fail-camera.jpg
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
every time....
that kid strikes out i get heartburn….i’ve heard nothing but promises from the cubs farm system this kid is going to be the next thing…anyone ever heard of Jerome Walton?
"you know they cant loses 162 consecutive games"
by 1021piestrikesout on May 7, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure.
Life, however, is no argument. Jerome Walton has nothing to do with Pie, nor does Korey.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Are you MDBNIU's kid brother?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
even his username
is trollish.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Fonty
in to pinch.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I only wish a bunch of drunk yuppie cubs fans had made the trip to GABP...
put on Reds shirts and had gotten seats in right field. Then decided to throw about 15 baseballs back onto the field after one of those homeruns. Wonder what Marty would have said then….
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
He would've said...
“These Reds fans have great passion and enthusiasm, they’re really into the game!”
''As long as he doesn't talk World Series, I'm happy.'' Lou Piniella on Ronny Cedeno.
by CubsBullsBears on May 7, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I jinxed him....
it’s my fault guys.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 12:18 PM CDT reply actions
PBP
Pie Strikes out swinging
Fontenot replaces Lieber
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
I can understand
Dunn hitting one out….............but Paul frikkin Bako???
Sean Gallagher…..............are you ready? He will take Hills start
Well at least we can look forward to the
Comedy Wang Dang Doodle!
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
Fontenot
draws a walk. One on One out
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
Hmmmm
maybe 13 pitchers are needed for the cubs, since we only have 3 reliable starters.
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
Smart move by Lou to pull him now
Day off tomorrow, we should be able to mix and match the rest of the game and claw back in this thing. Remember this is the REDS!! :D
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
Maybe
we can return the favor from last year at Wrigley when big z was up 5-0 and let up six runs in the 5th to lose 6-5
Will Edwin beat the crap out of Bako?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Reed J
K’s – 2 down
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
Theriot
Singles. Two on Two out
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
Yay Scrappy!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 12:24 PM CDT reply actions
How about ..
a pic of him with a porn stache:)
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"
Why?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Funny?
I saw one somewhere but can’t find it now..
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"
Come on Manlee
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
Uggh
Well, when theyre losing Santo gets on my nerves a little more and if Hughes could PLEASE OH PLEASE OH PLEASE dont make me think a routine grounder will get through or that a fly ball is gone.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
Volquez is pitching pretty well.
Cubs need to make him work a little harder.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Man-Lee
Grounds out to end the inning
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
Volquez is schooling the Cubs right now.
He’s a really good pitcher.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
heartburn getting worse....
"you know they cant loses 162 consecutive games"
by 1021piestrikesout on May 7, 2008 12:27 PM CDT reply actions
I'm gonna grab a bite to eat
and catch the rest of the game on my phone. mabye i’ll come back and everyone will be talking about how much fight the cubs have
I know it isn't technically over but....
this isn’t exactly the start to the game I was thinking of….it is really quite amazing how bad the Cubs luck can be when things are going bad…....never thought Lieber would get smoked like that….it was almost unreal…..but when Paul Bako and the Reds are smacking us around like they are our pimps we may as well settle in for a very dreary May…....this team consistently breaks my heart and makes me want to puke….but that’s why I love ‘em I guess…..
Ok...now the walks begin...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 12:28 PM CDT reply actions
Theriot out
Fony in at 2nd, Cedeno moves to SS. Marshal bats in the #2 spot.
2008: The year we put it all together.
Whic tells me
Marhsall is in the game until his spot comes up in the order
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
Walk to Votto
1 on no outs
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
"had clutch"?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
Yeah.
A whole two weeks ago.
So long.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Actually he is clutch
just ask THE NUMBERS
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
Whats funny and happy
I guess…..is the box score. Everyone lighting up Lieber then theres Korey—-ofer king both times
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
Now it's gone from ugly to funny...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 12:30 PM CDT reply actions
Votto Takes Second
n/t
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
Dunn K's swinging
n/t
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
Dunn
with a homer and a K. All we need now is a walk to complete an actual 3TO day!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Sounds about right.
Destined for DH duty, this guy.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Arrrggghhh.
Frickin’ walks.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
The problem is...
the homers will probably come…but the walk in front of them really really hurt us.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL!
No, no I wouldn’t…
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
That's a healthy cut
by Volquez. He’s been watching Carlos!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Yes it's bleak for THIS game
but these are the things that will make Lou bite Hendry’s head off to get a good SP when the NWT deadline is approaching.
Who would have thought sweeping a two game series against the Mets.....
would be the last series win we would have …...seems so long ago…..ho hum….I miss those days
now if this were hockey, we'd put our worst pitcher in, he'd hit Volquez, the gloves would drop
and hopefully, they’d both be given game misconducts…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
He was a little shaky...
...but Marshall got it done. Give the kid a chance. He could very well settle down and give the team a good three or four innings.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
He really needs to,
that’s for sure.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
And we got the best team in baseball
dropping in for a visit this weekend. We better get out shit together.
Rammy really swinging the bat well
since coming back.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
SWL - how about a nice rain dance picture?
maybe some hail too. Something quick though, before the game gets official.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Kosuke maybe
starting to slump?
We need to get back to Wrigley.
2008: The year we put it all together.
Dome really struggles
with that cutter in on his hands. Matsui said he had trouble with that same pitch when he came over. He said pitchers in Japan don’t really throw that pitch.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Let's start chipping away at this thing....
and maybe we can get to the 9th down by one or two runs and DLee can come up again with the bases juiced and…......
Make you eat your words?
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Good patience by Soto
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Come on, Ronny!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Damn. Ronny missed a fat one.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
yeah.
Time for Pie to show his quality!
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
crap.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Edinson Volquez is freaking good.
That last pitch to Ronny was filthy
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Yeah.
A lot of late movement, too.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Yeah, ya gotta give him credit.
His team staked him to a five run lead, and he’s making the most of it. This is total pwnage.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
Yep.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Good Lord.
Johan Santana called. He wants his changeup back.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
5 LOB thru 4
hardly a recipe for success
------ TheRiot Squad ------
by RightFieldSucks on May 7, 2008 12:48 PM CDT reply actions
When we lose it is the same old song and dance.....
we get men on and then choke when we need that one big hit….this team is soooooooooooooooo frustrating because they have talent to be on top of this division but instead we have to struggle against the toothpick sucking Lizard and have people like Jerry “Freaking” Hairston Jr. hit bombs on us….trying to remember it is early May and hoping this horrible stretch doesn’t become the norm for this team…..
This is why a lot of baseball teams lose.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
Ok..he's out of the game...
but who wanted to see this?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 12:52 PM CDT reply actions
how YOU doin?
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
was really hoping
last night’s game would spring-board us into some better play and into the weekend series with AZ…...
hey!
It’s RAINING! maybe… suspended game? Yes? Maybe? Not yet regulation length…
2008: The year we put it all together.
Just checked the radar
this game looks like it’s getting in. delayed, maybe. washed out – doubtful.
by Shanghai Badger on May 7, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Not if we all pray hard enough!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
The Lieber HRs will grab the headlines, but...
the starting pitching is not the real issue with this team. It is, as it always seems to be, abysmal situational hitting and an all-or-nothing offense that has been turning in a whole bunch of nothing these days. They can’t put up 4 runs in one game against the Reds??? Can’t wait for the AZ series where we will see what a real team does to a pretender like the Cubbies. And it doesn’t help that Pinella keeps trotting strikeout machine Pie out there to leave his 5 men on base every game and waste Soto’s efforts time and time again.
So you're saying....
...that the Cubs are pretenders and you can’t wait to see them lose? And you call yourself a fan?
"I'm petrified of nipple chafing. Once it starts, it's a vicious circle." Andy Bernard
Um, Volquez is a really good pitcher. Or haven't you been paying attention?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
top prospect from Houston, eh?
Won their Nolan Ryan award, Pat said.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
sorry. Texas. :D
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
i know PIE is young...
but when do you stop using that as an excuse and start realizing that Pie just cant hit, Sorriano is a cry baby….and cant handle anywhere else in the line up, what do we do!!!!
"you know they cant loses 162 consecutive games"
by 1021piestrikesout on May 7, 2008 12:57 PM CDT reply actions
Wow, the worst part about the Cubs losing isn't the loss.
It’s posts like this.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
no joke.
this is baseball people. lieber let up 5 runs in an inning. this game still isn’t over. even though we probably will lose it. just chill. we are in a slump, have you ever watched baseball. sometimes it is just hard to hit that little white thing. We will come out of it. and if not. what the hell else is new. I love them till the day I die. I still think this could be a win today. call me crazy.
man you sound like Karl Malden after someone has lost their traveler's cheques...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
when you start realizing
that you’re talking out of your rear. Pie can hit. Soriano is not a cry-baby. He has said repeatedly that he will bat wherever Lou puts him.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
soriano tells the media what he wants the media to hear.
wake up.
"you know they cant loses 162 consecutive games"
by 1021piestrikesout on May 7, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
give me a break.
now he’s a master conspirator? I thought he was too stupid to play left field.
He bats better in the 1 hole. He just came off the DL. You’re talking out of your rear.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, God forbid we give up that .169 average in the one hole!
"you know they cant loses 162 consecutive games"
by 1021piestrikesout on May 7, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
you do not understand.
He will carry this team.
And you are a troll. No more replies for you.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Hopefully the game will be suspended until after the All Star Break
And by that time Hendry would have traded for better pitching and hitting.
Who's up in the pen?
I assume Marshall won’t hit, so is anybody up in the pen? Gallagher?
So nobody has to see the scroll bar on my posts!!!!
he did hit.
got on base, too.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Time for a Change
something needs to give with this team. I really am having trouble pinpointing the exact problem because its something new every loss. Today its Starting pitching, tommorow is runners left in scoring position etc. What Gives?
Lou needs to erupt.
And not just “God … darn it. Thought. All right. Thanks.”
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
xene
you really thing this struggling offense will come back.
I thing it's possible...unlikely if Volquez is pitching, but possible.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
did you watch
ANY Cubs games last year? they came from behind to win SEVERAL times.
Pete’s sake. If you’re going to be a downer, at least be knowledgable!
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
A good 4th outfielder, not an everyday player.
Zero power but good contact hitter and pretty good defensively.
That 2nd strike: the inside pitch was a freakin' ball to Reed Johnson.
Ump has an appointment tonight I guess.
Steal 2 bases Sean.
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
I am just bitter right now, sorry guys
This team is just getting on my nerves. I agree its always agood sign when pitcher hits.
Dlee single
okay…a couple 2 out hits now!
Soriano should hit 5th. Period.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on May 7, 2008 1:04 PM CDT reply actions
Got it....Solution:
Lieber and Marshall have been solid in long relief, yet both have shown difficulty starting games over the last couple of years.
so…..
Every 5th day, start Carmen Pignet (or your choice) for an inning or 2, until he allows a walk or hit….make sure either Lieber or Marshall’s ready, and run them out there for their ‘long relief’ outing…....Lou wants to carry 13 pitchers anyway ;)
As long as he's healthy...
...Marshall hasn’t shown any “difficulty” starting games. He was in the rotation last year and the year before. He got roughed up in ‘06, like any young pitcher rushed to the majors would, but he pitched well as a starter last year. The only question, really, is whether he can stay healthy for an entire season.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
his at bat was crippled by that horrible 1st strike call
I guess volquez has earned it with his performance so far.
That first strike call was a joke
should have been 3-0 instead of 2-1 thats what happens when your done five and its raining and someone with Volquezs stuff
This matchup
wasn’t a great one on paper. Friday night was the easily winnable game. Handed it away, hence losing 2 of 3 to the lowly Reds.
Soriano should hit 5th. Period.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on May 7, 2008 1:08 PM CDT reply actions
Um, hey at at least Marshall got a hit.
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
Man...the Red's are going to win the World Series.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 1:11 PM CDT reply actions
I'm gonna be sick
I need a toothpick.
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
officially a Red Sox fan.....
"you know they cant loses 162 consecutive games"
by 1021piestrikesout on May 7, 2008 1:11 PM CDT reply actions
good.
GO.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Good. See ya later.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
Don't let the 10 to 1
hit you on the way out.
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
BOMBS AWAY!!!!
If you’re gonna lose, might as well get destroyed. Poopy end to a poopy road trip.
Soriano should hit 5th. Period.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on May 7, 2008 1:12 PM CDT reply actions
SIX!!! Woo Hoo!
So much for all this bullshit about a day game after a night game. One team figured out what to do!
And these are all earned home runs
How awful
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
This is a freakin' nightmare.
I say we abandon the thread to the haters and go get drunk.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
I bet Lou is about to explode in the dugout himself.
Call to Hendry: “Get me some damn pitchers! Get me someone who can catch the damn ball!”
He's takin' him out right now.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
at least they were solo shots this inning.
you’re our boy Marshall
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 1:12 PM CDT reply actions
But when you give up a 6 pack
of dingers it hardly matters. This is disgusting.
I don't know why he kept Marshall in.
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
Your GPA is going to be just as bad as Lieber's ERA.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
do they have a ten run rule in MLB?
"you know they cant loses 162 consecutive games"
by 1021piestrikesout on May 7, 2008 1:13 PM CDT reply actions
you're a red-sox fan.
you’re no longer allowed to post here. Go away.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, the Red Sox play tonight.
Go buy a cap and a t-shirt and leave us alone.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
We should have won the last game of the Brewers series, maybe the first game of the Cards series....
and the first game of this series and just look at how different we would all be feeling now…...instead it seems that the team is now spinning downwards with the one of the best teams in the NL licking their chops to come in to Wrigley and solidify May as the month of “poop” for the Cubs….wow this is just plain embarassing….hope Lou explodes like the Red bats…....Joey Votto ladies and gents…...we are becoming a laughingstock…...why do I love this team? I must be insane!
Why do you love this team?
Maybe because they’re five games over .500? It’s just one loss. Calm down.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
jay whats up man
whats the score and the situation, I am lacking a TV, on campus
"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano
by SouthsideCUBSfan on May 7, 2008 1:14 PM CDT reply actions
7-0 Cincy.
two more HRs this inning, Marshal’s out, having just walked Dunn.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Go away...
you don’t want to know or see any of this. You’re a young man with his whole life in front of him.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't even ask.
Go back to sleep.
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
We have a MOLE on the team
What current Cub could be the most loyal to Dusty?
FU-KU-DOH-MEH! clap, clap, clap-clap-clap!!!!
pull the regulars
this game is done. I said yesterday DLee should have sat anyway. Pull the plug.
Soriano should hit 5th. Period.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on May 7, 2008 1:15 PM CDT reply actions
What's with Gallagher's Gameday photo?
He looks constipated.
So nobody has to see the scroll bar on my posts!!!!
Who's to say he wasn't?
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
Nah...I think it was just...
anal fissures.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Matsui agrees.
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
So Lieber isn't the solution, apparently neither is Marshall....Hill didn't look too great at Iowa last night....
ladies and gents we have an official starting pitcher crisis on our hands!!! Wheee!!!!
it's one game
you can’t rule Lieber out based on one game. His starts in ST were pretty good.
But I admit, it’s worrying. I wish we’d gotten Bedard.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Santo and Not-Hughes
saying gallagher lost 40 lbs in the offseason on the same diet as wood.
anyone know what diet this is? i could drop a few lbs
game over! - ARAM FOR MVP on May 5, 2008 7:32 PM EDT (down 3-0 to the Reds in the 1ST INNING)
yeah, me too...
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 7, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Tapeworms.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 7, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
wow - this game isn't even worthy of an overflow thread... ;-)
Face it – this is one of those 50 games or so that you’re going to lose each season, no matter what. Let’s just get it all out of our system, do a little detox, and come home and kick some snakeass.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Overflow thread is up.
Maybe things will be better there. Go here.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I think Corey patterson
is the one cub who got worse after leaving the cubs….
not counting sosa who had to leave the corked bat and stop the steroids…
"you know they cant loses 162 consecutive games"
by 1021piestrikesout on May 7, 2008 1:22 PM CDT reply actions
Hey all Jeez!
You are going to set the record for “wtf’s” in a thread!
To make some of you feel better, a smoking hot girl just jogged down Waveland towards the park just as the sun poked out for a few seconds.
"To know that I know what I know, and that I do not know what I do not know. That is true knowledge" - Confucious as quoted in Walden
back from lunch
and sick to my stomach….oh well i can’t be too upset, ONE really shitty game but still above 500. Back home for a tough series. Any ideas on whos gonna pitch for Hill next time?
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