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Replacement for Marquis

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Lots of talk is going around about trading Jason Marquis. If we were to deal Jason who would we get to replace his shoes. Personally, I would like a starter. I would like a guy who can provide that needed one two punch with Zambrano. We really need that one guy who can be reliable, throw strikes, and rack up double-digit wins. Maybe we need another spot filled. If Marquis was to be moved who would you want?

 

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The guy is already on the roster:

Sean Gallagher. He and Hill can fill the Lieber and Marquis slots.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 8, 2008 7:41 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Why are you giving up on Lieber?

One bad outing and he’s toast?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 8, 2008 7:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I don't think Jon can start anymore

I just thought, watching the game, that Jon just does not have the kind of stuff that would make him ready to start in our rotation. I want a starter who can take over and win ball games consistently. Not Lieber or Marquis. Gary Varsho might be right when he says Sean Gallagher because that guy can pitch

by columbusOHcubsfan on May 8, 2008 7:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I don't know if Gallagher can come right in and win consistently

but if we’re going to throw innings at a guy who’s likely to be inconsistent, I’d rather it be a guy who can develop into something better (Gallagher) than a guy who is likely to continue to be mediocre (Marquis).

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 8, 2008 7:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

for the future

he wouldn’t be good this year maybe but sean has a career path ahead of him

by columbusOHcubsfan on May 8, 2008 7:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yep.

Which is why I’d rather see him get innings than Marquis.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 8, 2008 7:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Lieber...

Did great in the bullpen. I’d just leave him there. But I’d take Marshall or Gallagher to replace him. Trade Marquis and Pie for a left handed hitting outfielder.

by wrigleyrocker12 on May 8, 2008 8:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I'd give Lieber one more chance.

Wednesday was… weird.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2008 8:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

It was wierd

I wonder if Lieber wasn’t tipping pitches, because the Reds were acting like they knew what was coming.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 8, 2008 8:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

yeah.

who knows… but I’d still give him one more chance. Maybe against the Pirates?

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2008 8:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I'd give you a chance

against the Pirates!

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 8, 2008 8:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

it's not like he needs a confidence builder.

Is he in the rotation for the next week? Do we know?

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2008 9:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yep:

Fastballs down the middle.

He works fast and throws strikes, but every one of those HR balls was just about right over the middle of the plate.

by John Q Freejazz on May 8, 2008 11:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

After one start?

Lieber just pitched 3.2 scoreless innings Friday from the 3-6 innings. Is that any different then two innings on Weds I could understand saying this kind of stuff if Lieber started sucking around the 4-5 th inning mark. But right now it just looks like a bad day to me. Lieber totally deserves another starter before people say he can’t start anymore. Anyone who thinks Lieber is bad or done is WAY overreacting.

by cubsfan25 on May 9, 2008 4:05 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Exactly.

If we got rid of everyone who had a bad day, the roster would be empty, because all players have them.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 9, 2008 8:14 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

For the record,

I never said the Cubs should dump Lieber; I simply said I like him better in the bullpen role, in which he pitched so well to open the season. I really want to see Gallagher get a shot and perhaps that’s why I’m a bit reactionary over Lieber’s poor outing. But by no stretch of the imagination did I ever advocate dumping Lieber. I simply want him returned to the role where he was succeeding and to give a young pitcher a chance to get a start or two.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 9, 2008 8:26 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I like Lieber better in the

“oh sh*t!” role as the long man in the bullpen. He pitches well in that role and he seems more comfortable doing it than anyone else. I haven’t given up, per se, I just think Jon’s better suited to his previous role than a starting role.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 8, 2008 7:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

no i totally agree

jon shouldn’t be a starter but does a magnificent job in the bullpen. Don’t get me wrong here.

by columbusOHcubsfan on May 8, 2008 7:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Why

shouldn’t Jon be a starter? This is the most craziest thing I have ever heard. Talk about having a quick hook and fans overreacting. Lieber easily could have had that some type of game out of the bullpen. It’s called a bad day, and alot of older pitchers who don’t have the stuff they once had have them. But like Maddux and Moyer, Lieber has quality control and a good mix of pitches that usually makes him pretty good. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Lieber goes out and throws back to back quality starts, and everyone on this board is saying what a great signing he was.

Lieber is 131-123 with a 4.27 career ERA in 327 career starts, he had a 4.52 era in 12 starts last year, and a 4.52 era in the second half of 06(15 starts). While pitching at a horrible park for a pitcher to pitch at.(which he strugggled alot at) So with Lieber track record and the way he pitched as a starter this spring and out of the pen so far this year. I think everyone should at least give him too starts before they make silly comments like he shouldn’t be starting.

by cubsfan25 on May 9, 2008 4:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Lieber did

that role for a month, and hasn’t been given much of a chance to start this year. How can you say he’s not suited in a starting role, when he has been a successful starter in almost every year of his career. I agree that Lieber is valueable to have because if the starter sucks he could step in and give us innings and stop the damage. But he’s also a better starter then Marquis, Marshall and probably Gallagher at this point. So it’s more valueable to have him in the rotation and give us good starts, then a guy only coming in mostly blow outs. We need to give Lieber at least two starts. If he sucks again in his next start, then I would say lets just go back with what was working with Lieber. Right now though the guys track record as a good starting pitcher speaks for itself, and pitched very well this spring and in April. People shouldn’t be giving up on him after one awful start. Which only raised his era to 3.80 because he pitched so well in 19.1 innings before that.

by cubsfan25 on May 9, 2008 4:20 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I'm only going off how he's performed this season in my suggestion,

which is really all this is, plus I’d rather see Lieber continue in that role and Gallagher get a shot at the rotation.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 9, 2008 7:06 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Lots of talk?

Where? By us? I don’t see Hendry out shopping Marquis. Besides, the way he’s pitched so far this year, who would be interested?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 8, 2008 7:43 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Where?

Here?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 8, 2008 8:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Al...

I know what you’re thinking. Just let it be. There will be another just let this one tomorrow anyway.

by Damen Jackson on May 8, 2008 8:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I mean...

Just like this one.

by Damen Jackson on May 8, 2008 8:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

So we should add this to the list...

... of posts like this:

  • Soriano sucks
  • What the lineup should be
  • TTTSNBN

RIght?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 8, 2008 8:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

What? No BCB T-Shirt Diary?

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 8, 2008 8:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

speaking of which

how about a “I Bleed Cubbie Blue” TSHIRT? I bet we could come up with a rokkin’ design - maybe by toonmike - and I’ll do the management part, if people want. That could be cool. We could do a Tshirt a year, and donate to various Cubs charities.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2008 8:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I definitely want to do another T-shirt.

The charitable donation is a great idea, too. I’m trying to figure out the best way to do it. Email me and let’s talk.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 8, 2008 8:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Hahahaha!!!

The next winning streak can’t get here soon enough.

by Damen Jackson on May 8, 2008 8:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I wonder who the Padres would give us...

it looks like their season is gonna be over in another month.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 8, 2008 7:52 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Bullpen arms...

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 8, 2008 7:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Ill take Heath Bell

OH YES I WOULD. He will be their closer for years though IMO

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 9, 2008 9:12 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

The guys I'd want

are Greene, Cla Meredith, and Heath Bell. I wonder what they’d ask for, though.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 8, 2008 7:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

They have some highly touted "Prior" guy too...

(bad joke)

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 8, 2008 7:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Well,

with Yosh Kiwano retiring, we do need a new towel guy. I suppose he could fit the bill.

Seriously, though, I’m with you on the bullpen arms. I’d love to see Cla Meredith or Heath Bell in pinstripes.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 8, 2008 8:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Why?

Home ERA: 2.72
Road ERA: 4.21

Petco Field, a pitcher’s best friend.

by rlpete on May 8, 2008 8:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Bell's a good pitcher.

His GB/FB ratio’s are decent, which would bode well for work at Wrigley. I agree that Petco can inflate a players pitching numbers, though.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 8, 2008 8:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Bullpen guys, why?

Are you giving up on Howry and Wuertz already too? Please look at the home/road splits for any San Diego pitcher before trading our whole minor league system for them.

by rlpete on May 8, 2008 8:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I'm not ready to

deal the minor league system. Don’t misrepresent what’s been said here.

Home/Road splits for Meredith:

Home: 2.82 ERA, 1.06WHIP, .228 BAA
Road: 3.21 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, .277 BAA

You’ve already posted Bell’s.

I’d only take these guys at a fire sale prices, as the Cubs aren’t desperate for pitching, but I think they’re both pretty good RP’s.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 8, 2008 8:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Didn't mean to jump on you

Usually you are level headed but with the number of ledge jumpers here lately, it’s hard to keep people straight. Of course, I’d take them at fire sale prices but they guys would be the last ones I think the Cubs need.

by rlpete on May 8, 2008 8:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yeah.

I’m not desperate for them or anything, but I like both guys. I’d go after Greene, even with his miserable offensive performance thus far. There was a third baseman with Pittsburgh in the midst of a miserable slump that we traded for a few years ago and that turned out pretty well. Maybe Jim can pry Greene lose in a month or so. And who knows, God forbid and an injury happens in the bullpen, maybe he can shake a reliever loose, as well.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 8, 2008 8:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Why would San Diego trade him though?

I’ve never understood the frequent mention of him. They recently resigned him to a reasonable extension. They don’t have a replacement. If it is a matter of swapping Cedeno plus pitching prospects for Greene, I’d say no.

by rlpete on May 8, 2008 9:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I just want to see him here.

I agree with you that SD is unlikely to deal him in all but the most desperate circumstances, especially given the extension, however, with extension being affordable, maybe it makes him more tradeable. At this point though, I;m just rationalizing for my own peace of mind. I wouldn’t deal Cedeno plus more for him, either.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 8, 2008 9:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

what about a starter

if we were to grab a starter. looks unlikely. who would it be

by columbusOHcubsfan on May 8, 2008 8:12 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

We won't get a SP back for Marquis...

we’ll need to package him with another player…and eat some salary…and that will only get you a RP at most.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 8, 2008 8:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Just stop...Marquis is untradeable

He’s got roughly $15 million left on his ridiculous contract. There is no team on the planet who is going to take him off our hands.

Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.

by MDBNIU on May 8, 2008 8:28 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Of course, they haven't.

But that’s a lot of money to ask a team to eat for a guy they probably can’t deal right now because he’s pitching poorly. May as well keep him and hope he becomes SIUQRAM (Marquis “turned around”).

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 8, 2008 8:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

There's a difference between shouldn't and couldn't.

I shouldn’t eat two whole large pizzas in one sitting. I couldn’t eat a rusty tire iron.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on May 8, 2008 8:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I have a dremel.

You could use that. maybe it would help. :P

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2008 9:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

OK, I'll take the bait...

Do YOU envision Jim Hendry eating $10 million or so in salary just to move Jason Marquis? Because that’s what it’s going to take unless Hendry doesn’t mind also parting with a quality prospect to sweeten the deal.

Suffice to say, Marquis isn’t going anywhere. Plus he insists he can’t pitch out of the bullpen. So either hope he gets his crap together in the rotation or comes down with some sort of injury that lands him on the DL for a very long time.

Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.

by MDBNIU on May 8, 2008 8:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

You just mentioned two ways in which Marquis is tradeable.

I like the roundabout way in which you’re admitting you’re wrong here.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on May 8, 2008 8:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Whatever Mr. Semantics

If if your mind Jason Marquis is “technically” tradeable, then best wishes to you.

Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.

by MDBNIU on May 8, 2008 8:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Just like Kyle Lohse

is “technically” being turned around by Dave Duncan into a good pitcher?

by rlpete on May 8, 2008 9:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

There is a difference between truth and falsehoods here.

These are examples of true statements:

“No team will want to take on all of Marquis’ salary the way he’s pitching so far.”

“The Cubs aren’t getting anything but a sack of used baseballs in exchange for Jason Marquis, and they’d still have to eat salary for the privilege.”

Things that are not true:

“Jason Marquis is untradeable.”

A few years ago, Manny Ramirez was absolutely untradable. You can look it up. But in a world where Matt Morris was traded just last season, Jason Marquis is NOT untradeable. It’s not my problem if you can’t understand the distinction here. It would be a wildly unpleasant experience – likely we’d eat about $7-8 million in salary and end up with a 28-year-old AA right fielder for the trouble.

And does this mean you and I aren’t going to see the Iron Man movie together this weekend?

I has a blog.

by cwyers on May 8, 2008 9:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Careful....

you’ll end up on the MDBNIU Officially Ignored Poster List along with myself and Hammer.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 8, 2008 9:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Oh Father Christmas!

If you love me one bit! You’ll put me on Blue Mike’s ignored poster list!

I has a blog.

by cwyers on May 8, 2008 9:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Its safer on the list

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 9, 2008 9:13 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

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