Open Thread: Cubs vs. Diamondbacks, Friday 5/9, 1:20 CT
Arizona @ Chicago
Morning notes:
- Paul Sullivan says Felix Pie could get sent down -- but not for a pitcher. Instead, Andres Torres, who is hitting well at Iowa, could come up to be a bench player.
- More info on the proposed ISFA/Wrigley Field deal. They say "no tax money" would be used. Others have said a "tax increment financing" deal like this one means that other taxes might have to be raised. I'd like to hear more details about this. Also of interest in that article:
[Cubs Chairman Crane] Kenney also said the Cubs want to restore Wrigley Field to "its original look," which would include removing exterior chain link fences and concrete panels. The renovations also would include upgraded luxury suites and premium seating behind home plate that would require the destruction of the team's offices.
- Gordon Wittenmyer joins the Dead-Horse-Beating crowd with yet another rehash of TTTSNBN. However, he does raise a good point:
The guy whose name came up as part of every potential package for Roberts, pitcher Sean Gallagher, pitched so well at Class AAA Iowa in five starts (2-2, 3.10 ERA, .196 opponents' average) that he was called up to take demoted Rich Hill's place on the roster last weekend.
Now Gallagher and lefty Sean Marshall -- whose name was in and out of the Roberts rumor mill all winter and spring -- are considered part of the Cubs' much-needed starting depth and options for replacing more veteran guys who are scuffling.
On top of that, Marshall has been invaluable in a converted lefty short-relief role after rookie Carmen Pignatiello stumbled out of the gate and as the team awaits the return of Scott Eyre this weekend.
Enough. On to baseball this afternoon!
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The day that Dan Haren last faced the Cubs, June 10, 2004, was the day that I invented the Tomato Inning, which occurred when I accidentally dropped a piece of tomato on my scorecard:
Howard showed up late, with a sandwich of his own from Jimmy John's (I hadn't asked him to bring me one today) and he ceremonially dropped a tomato piece on my scorecard, right in the fifth inning.
You're saying, no, the Cubs scored the ten runs in the fourth inning, and you'd be right.
But by the time they reached the tomato square, which was at Derrek Lee's position, they had already batted around, and Lee's homer was the tenth run of the inning, and the square that I scored this in, was in exactly that place, in the fifth inning.
So, Howard and I are now completely convinced of the Tomato Luck.
The Tomato Inning worked pretty well through 2004 -- the Cubs didn't always win the game, but they did always score in the Tomato Inning. Perhaps we'll have a ceremonial drop today. In that inning, D-Lee, Aramis Ramirez and Carlos Zambrano, the only Cubs still on the team who played that day, all got hits. Alfonso Soriano is 5-for-13 (2 HR) vs. Haren in their time together in the AL.
When Ted Lilly last faced the Diamondbacks, this is what happened:
You can see Chris Young rounding the bases after his NLDS Game Two HR and Lilly about to slam his glove down. That enduring image is, unfortunately, one of the memorable ones from last year's NLDS. It was the first hit Young had off Lilly, who threw six decent innings against Arizona last August 25 at Phoenix. After a tough start Lilly is 2-1, 2.84 in his last three starts.
Today's game is on WGN and Fox Sports Arizona. The D'backs are in the forefront of what I think will become a trend among all teams -- all their games are on FSAZ this year, no broadcast outlet. More at the MLB.com Mediacenter.
MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)
MLB.com Gameday (2008 version)
Baseball-reference.com game preview
Today's overflow comment thread will post at 2:45 pm CT.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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Time for a little payback today! Need to get to Haren early!
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on
May 9, 2008 9:17 AM CDT
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Nice sig
just noticed that.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
May 9, 2008 11:32 AM CDT
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Thanks bud
n/t
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on
May 9, 2008 11:33 AM CDT
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At least we don't face Webb, who threw a complete game yesterday, and looked impossible to hit.
Hopefully the Cubs are energized after the day off. Is it too much to ask for the sweep?
by dogcatratcheese on
May 9, 2008 9:25 AM CDT
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not at all
soriano will carry the team for a sweep this weekend.
by xene on
May 9, 2008 9:30 AM CDT
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i like this thinking...
but taking the series will do.
You ARE freaking out MAN!
by crw89 on
May 9, 2008 10:54 AM CDT
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The law of probability
says Soriano has to heat up soon. It’s nearly impossible to suck forever. He was right on the ball the last couple of games (when he didn’t strike out), so he has to be close to going on a tear! (Tear as in hitting streak, not torn ligament or something).
by walsh2317 on
May 9, 2008 11:34 AM CDT
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Haren
LIGHT HIM UP.
He will make you put the ball in play so hit it wheres its pitched.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
May 9, 2008 9:31 AM CDT
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Predicted lineup:
1.) Soriano LF
2.) Theriot SS
3.) Lee 1B
4.) Ramirez 3B
5.) Dome RF
6.) Soto C
7.) Derosa 2B
8.) Pie CF
9.) Lilly P
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
May 9, 2008 9:35 AM CDT
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Like that
I thought it was time to flip 6 and 7 in the lineup
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
May 9, 2008 9:45 AM CDT
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Yeah.
It’s time to move Soto to 5 and Dome to 2, IMO, but Lou doesn’t seem to think like me…which is likely a good thing.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
May 9, 2008 9:48 AM CDT
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DOME 2nd and 5th
Im indifferent on it.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
May 9, 2008 10:00 AM CDT
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I think Dome's
ability to handle the bat works better in the two-hole, while Soto’s power/RBI potential fits well in the 5 spot.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
May 9, 2008 10:04 AM CDT
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He's good, but
having Dome bat twice in nine men could present problems. Oh, unless we can use ghost runners.
I used to be "Jones," but I got swooped on the redesign.
by Mr Snrub on
May 9, 2008 11:26 AM CDT
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I like Soto 5
but there’s too many right handed bats.
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on
May 9, 2008 10:04 AM CDT
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I'd love to see..
Soriano
Dome
Lee
Ramirez
Soto
DeRo
Riot
Pie
Lilly
by SoTxCub on
May 9, 2008 10:44 AM CDT
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Just a tweak...
Soriano
Dome
Lee
Ramirez
Soto
DeRo
Cedeno
Pie
Lilly
Fixed.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
May 9, 2008 10:52 AM CDT
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makes me uncomfortable
to see Onedec and Pie hitting back to back…. just running that up the flagpole.
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on
May 9, 2008 10:56 AM CDT
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Out of curiousity,
why is that? I don’t think I’d want Cedeno infron of anybody else in that lineup….
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
May 9, 2008 10:59 AM CDT
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I like Varsho's lineup right now...
DeRo is in a funk, inserting Cedano there might help 7,8,9 not be three easy outs for a pitcher like Haren
Felix Pie must play everyday!
by JB 23 on
May 9, 2008 11:05 AM CDT
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actually
he put Onedec in for The Riot.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on
May 9, 2008 11:07 AM CDT
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I think we might see Derosa
come out of that funk in the next couple days. Just a hunch.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
May 9, 2008 11:07 AM CDT
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your keyboard
baseball gods’ screens.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on
May 9, 2008 11:07 AM CDT
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I think you're missing a "from" and a "to" here. :-)
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on
May 9, 2008 11:08 AM CDT
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Agreed
DeRosa isn’t the kind of player that gets into a long slump. He probably won’t go 4-4 with three home runs, but a 4 or 5 game hitting streak is certainly possible.
by walsh2317 on
May 9, 2008 11:36 AM CDT
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Abbreviations
Makes me chuckle how these things are getting longer and longer… “TTTSNBN” Really?
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on
May 9, 2008 9:43 AM CDT
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Honestly, I don't even know what it stands for anymore.
Too many player acronyms these days.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on
May 9, 2008 10:00 AM CDT
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I belive you meant to say
TMPATD…..
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on
May 9, 2008 10:02 AM CDT
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What does TMPATD mean?
Add it to the BCB Dictionary if it’s a keeper.
I haz show: http://hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on
May 9, 2008 11:03 AM CDT
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It's not
Just a joke on what Dan put earlier. “Too many player acronyms these days”
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on
May 9, 2008 11:23 AM CDT
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Lets hope Haren pitches as well as he looks...
..in that photo above. Talk about a bad day…..
Felix Pie must play everyday!
by JB 23 on
May 9, 2008 9:45 AM CDT
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Seriously
Why do so many of these photos look horrible? Isn’t there anyone from the team or media outlet saying, “this looks like crap, lets shoot another one”?
by TC Cubby on
May 9, 2008 9:50 AM CDT
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Check out Doumit's photo.
It might be the worst of the lot. His eyes look completely black. He looks like a demon or something.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
May 9, 2008 9:52 AM CDT
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The size I put in...
... is exactly the size I get when I click “properties” on the photos. If I’m not doing this right, let me know how and I’ll fix it.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
May 9, 2008 10:36 AM CDT
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seems like yahoo keeps them at 65 px by 85 px
you have 65 X 90.
by xene on
May 9, 2008 10:39 AM CDT
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It always seems like it's been a while after an off-day since baseball.
Time to start a winning streak!
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on
May 9, 2008 9:46 AM CDT
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Tomato innings..
Hope we have several of those today!
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"
by Bump Bailey on
May 9, 2008 9:46 AM CDT
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Bruce Miles
saying on ESPN 1000 that Sean Gallagher is likely to be sent down to make room for Stevie Eyre.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
May 9, 2008 9:50 AM CDT
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Too bad.
I like Gallagher. They should send Fox down.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
May 9, 2008 9:52 AM CDT
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Well,
maybe the thinking is (and let me say I don’t agree with this one bit) that he should be getting innings as a starter, so he’s being sent down to get starts. FWIW, I’d rather he get a start or two up here, but that ship has sailed, apparently.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
May 9, 2008 9:58 AM CDT
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I agree. Gallagher needs major league innings.
The Fox story is nice and all, but…c’mon…
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on
May 9, 2008 10:23 AM CDT
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Agree...Fox is not a ML caliber pitcher any longer
Felix Pie must play everyday!
by JB 23 on
May 9, 2008 10:28 AM CDT
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Fox
I keep hearing this that Fox is no longer a ML pitcher, he had 1 good year in his career, he barely ever was a ML caliber pitcher. Keep up Gallagher
Lets do it Cubbies
by slocs55 on
May 9, 2008 11:24 AM CDT
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Sigh
Will Lou please give Pie a chance. A real chance. Not a defensive replacement chance or a start then 4 days off chance.
So nobody has to see the scroll bar on my posts!!!!
by McRipper on
May 9, 2008 9:59 AM CDT
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I gave up
I have realized that it’s not gonna happen unless Reed really starts to slip which I hope doesn’t happen. I just wish they would have given him 6 weeks from the start of the season.
Lets do it Cubbies
by slocs55 on
May 9, 2008 11:25 AM CDT
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You and me both
So nobody has to see the scroll bar on my posts!!!!
by McRipper on
May 9, 2008 11:29 AM CDT
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Reed has already REALLY started to slip.
He’s hitting .257/.336/.297 with an OPS+ of 66. I get ill just thinking about it.
by cwyers on
May 9, 2008 11:33 AM CDT
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I thought Toche might be a Cubs minor leaguer I've never heard of.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on
May 9, 2008 11:45 AM CDT
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Or touchy
which is Cesar Isturiz’s nickname. KEEP YOUR HANDS TO YOURSELF
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
May 9, 2008 11:46 AM CDT
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AND DON'T TELL ME NO LIES!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on
May 9, 2008 11:49 AM CDT
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isn't that Douchey?
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by digitalbenjamin on
May 9, 2008 1:43 PM CDT
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The MediaCenter link is a little off
Here’s today’s game: http://mlb.mlb.com/mediacenter/index.jsp#20080509
"I don't think anybody's paying attention to the Cubs." - Prince Fielder
by jasoniniowa on
May 9, 2008 9:59 AM CDT
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Thanks.
Forgot to change it. (I keep a template for these.) I’ll fix it.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
May 9, 2008 10:11 AM CDT
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Sending Pie down
is a bad idea. Let Pie Play!
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on
May 9, 2008 10:01 AM CDT
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Agreed....
...as my sig says!
Felix Pie must play everyday!
by JB 23 on
May 9, 2008 10:15 AM CDT
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Cards vs. Brewers
Logically, we want the Brewers to sweep since we have 3 games on them. But how does everyone feel about that series? Who ya want to win?
So nobody has to see the scroll bar on my posts!!!!
by McRipper on
May 9, 2008 10:03 AM CDT
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Honestly, I care
more about our team, that has been playing like one of the worst NL teams, instead of one of the best.
I am more concerned about our starting pitching. How DeRosa responds to a “rest”. Can we get the





