Lilly Out Of The Valley
Just before Ted Lilly stroked his RBI single up the middle, I said to Howard, "Man, he has about the worst swing I've ever seen." Howard agreed. Lilly had fouled a couple of balls off and flailed rather wildly at the pitches, looking like he had never stepped in a batter's box before.
And then, suddenly, with runners on first and second, Reed Johnson having been intentionally walked by Dan Haren to get to Lilly, Ted sliced a ball through the infield to score the Cubs' first run and score Mark DeRosa, who had doubled with two out and no one on (love to see that!), to tie the game. Alfonso Soriano hit the next pitch down the left-field line for a double, scoring Johnson, and as it turned out, that was all Lilly needed in the Cubs' impressive 3-1 win over the Diamondbacks. I'm not sure where Lilly learned to hit -- he hit only .137 in 2007 -- but he's now 3-for-11 this year (.273) with a double and two RBI.
You could call this a "statement" game if you wish, but it may be too early to say that. Remember, though the D'backs have looked great in posting, before today, a 23-12 record for the best mark in the major leagues, a year ago at this time the Brewers were 24-10 and a lot of you were wailing, "The Cubs will never catch those guys!" And yet, they did. And though Arizona is playing well, today the Cubs and Lilly and Carlos Marmol and Kerry Wood shut them down.
Lilly was outstanding -- he mixed up his pitches really well and struck out ten while walking only two and allowing only three harmless hits. OK, let's call it two harmless hits (one of which, a triple by Stephen Drew past a diving Johnson, might have been caught by Felix Pie if he had been out there), because the first one was a HR by Chris Young in the first inning -- and I was so glad to not see Lilly slam his glove down as he did in the NLDS last October. In the last ten games Young has played against the Cubs (the six regular season games last year, the three in the NLDS and today), he has homered five times. Enough, already.
Fortunately, Lilly shut down the rest of the D'backs lineup, and left it to Marmol and Wood. Marmol caught a break in the 8th when, after allowing a leadoff single to pinch-hitter Augie Ojeda, he struck out Eric Byrnes while Ojeda tried to steal second. The throw came in over DeRosa's head and he had to leap to stop it from going in to CF. The umpires correctly ruled that Byrnes had interfered with Geovany Soto and thus Ojeda was out. No other D'back came near to getting on base after that, and Kerry Wood threw nine pitches, all strikes, in getting a 1-2-3 ninth for his sixth save, after Derrek Lee had hit his ninth HR to give a little more breathing room.
The crisply played game (two hours and 31 minutes) was played in crisp weather more suited to the last time the D'backs were in Wrigley Field, last October 6 (when it was 85 degrees), an official temperature of 46 at gametime, with a wind blowing in. That didn't stop the HR of either Young or D-Lee, though, and I'm sure most of the crowd of 40,236 (probably about 5,000 no-shows today) appreciated the fast pace. I know I did, along with fellow BCB readers mrcubsfan, ihatethecards, and Drew in attendance in the bleachers. Mrcubsfan and ihatethecards introduced me to a man who said his last trip to Wrigley was sixty years ago when he was fourteen years old, to which I said: "It's about time you came back!" And he got to see a nicely played win on his return, too.
Just like that, this team that looked so sloppy on the road the last couple of weeks played a sharp game today. It is possible to have a very successful season playing, say, .600 ball at home (that'd be 49 or 50 wins) and .500 on the road -- do that and you've won 90, which would likely give you the division title. This one snaps a five-game losing streak against Arizona (including the NLDS) and I'm sure the players are happy to have that proverbial monkey off their backs. And with Lilly, Ryan Dempster and Carlos Zambrano all throwing well, can we stop stressing so much about the starting pitching?
Remember: tomorrow's game is on Fox, and the starting time has been set at 2:40 CDT. I'll post a list of cities tomorrow in the game thread -- double bad news: it's only going to 37% of the country and the announcers are Kenny Albert and Mark Grace. (Ugh.) Incidentally, I had to visit the men's room and the timing had it during the 7th-inning stretch. There's nothing stranger than hearing the disembodied voice of Mark Grace coming through the men's room speakers while visiting the troughs. Or maybe that's strangely appropriate, I don't know which.
Finally, I see that a couple of you posted game threads in the FanPost section -- and I'm not sure what happened to the main page posts. If someone could quickly summarize in the comments, I'd appreciate it.
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Biggest victory of the season
Lilly was very good and had his best outing of the year. Wood was DOMINANT and had his best outing too. Marmol was his usual self. The offense executed. The defense was solid, particularly Kosuke and Theriot. And all against the best team in baseball and one heckuva good pitcher in Haren.
Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.
by MDBNIU on May 9, 2008 5:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Notice how he makes no mention of the guy that drove in the winning runs.
by cwyers on May 9, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Was on the road today, picking up my daughter from college, so could not watch the game. Then read the recap and read that Soriano got booed after his first AB. What was the reaction after the double?
I am a Soriano supporter, he will get it going, just wait.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on May 9, 2008 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheers, of course, for the double.
The boos were a bit much, IMO.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on May 9, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
none of which means anything without Soriano's double to go ahead 2-1.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 9, 2008 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wood was dominant, but he still isn't fit to be a closer, right?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on May 9, 2008 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's nothing better than
getting a win in the first game of a home stand on a Friday afternoon. Post that win and watch everybody else try and match it. And winning against the #1 team in the league makes it that much more sweet.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 9, 2008 5:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Assessment
First off, what a great win to start the homestand. We needed this bad, getting a close win against a good team.
I have three positives to take from this game
1. Ted Lilly’s pitching performance. We’ve seen a couple different Ted Lillys so far this season, but today was a Lilly I hope to see more and more. He was under control and threw first pitch strikes. I was pleased to see after the Young HR he didn’t get rattled. Settled in and threw a great ballgame.
2. Alfonso Soriano. Yes, he’s still having issues at the plate, but he really came through for us today and provided the winning RBI. I am really hoping this will get him moving in the right direction. I don’t know who posted it earlier, I’m sorry, but they had a great point. Soriano will not continue this poor performance all year. I am willing to let his track record speak for itself and this guy can flat out play. He needs a spark and I hope today was what he needed.
3. Kerry Wood. IIRC 12 pitches ALL Strikes. Wood closed down a tight game with the swagger of a legitimate closer today. Let him round into this position. This guy has a great shot at becoming a consistent 35+ saves a year closer.
Great game, lets roll it into the weekend!
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on May 9, 2008 5:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nine pitches for Wood, all strikes.
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on May 9, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
n/t
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on May 9, 2008 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al
Fan post game thread was posted because the first thread was bogged down about 2:30 CT but the overflow thread did not show up until close to 3:15 CT.
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on May 9, 2008 5:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the update.
The overflow was scheduled to post at 2:45… my understanding is that the servers are slow because Trei and the team are re-indexing everything in preparating for unveiling a new search feature soon. I’ll let you know when it’s posted.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on May 9, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Season ticket note.
The Cubs are now 3-0 on days when Lou’s picture is on the season ticket.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on May 9, 2008 5:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anybody for Jim Edmonds?
Released by San Diego today. This once great player has dropped off the face of the cliff over the past year. But he is a famous Cub killer, bats from the left-side and can still play a good centerfield. Might not look bad as an option coming off the bench??? If we can get over his long-term St. Louis connection and his ridiculous diving attempts in the outfield all those years….
I got to say, I’m at least intrigued. A Reed Johnson and Jim Edmonds combo in CF might be pretty darn good for a playoff push year.
Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.
by MDBNIU on May 9, 2008 5:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm...
...a curious possibility. If he comes in for a really low contract (where if we cut him, we don’t lose much), I’d say it’s worth a look.
Then again, can Edmonds play the field the way he used to? Because if not, I’d rather go with Lofton if we’re gonna give up this year on the Pie experiment (and I’m not sure we should give up on Pie…at least not yet, when he’s not hurting the team)
by Chadnudj on May 9, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
The idea would be to look into Jim Edmonds as a dirt cheap (as in major league minimum) option off the bench. If you sign him and he continues to suck, then you turn around and release him. No harm no foul. I’d at least like Jim Hendry to look into this…
Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.
by MDBNIU on May 9, 2008 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Edmonds is still a better defensive center fielder than Lofton at this point.
I don’t know that he brings anything to the table that Sam Fuld doesn’t at this point, however.
by cwyers on May 9, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seem first hand...
the suck that is Jim Edmonds this year….trust me....his retirement is about 40 game overdue.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 9, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Concur 100%
The Padres are a mess right now. No hitting at all.
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
by eswan9 on May 9, 2008 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Olney
on ESPN reported that the Padres feel that he has not recovered from the concussion from last year. Take it for what it is worth.
I don’t want him here, no thanks. Give me Pie and his desire, when Lou plays him.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on May 9, 2008 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read a lot today that he has no bat speed and cant play CF anymore
that being said it might be that no one can play CF in Whales Vagina. I would look at him on a minimum priced deal
"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"
by fischisgod on May 9, 2008 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh.
Why? What’s the point? Years ago the Cubs used to get guys like this when they were way past done. Why do it again?
Also, I’m not sure what your point was in calling Petco Park what you did. Let’s try to tone the language down, please.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on May 10, 2008 4:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
apologize
went with the ron burgundy line for san diego
agree with your point on edmonds
"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"
by fischisgod on May 10, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, pretty darn good to the tune of .178/.265/.233
Oh wait, I forgot, stats lie. My bad. Obviously Edmonds would be a great addition, just like Johnson and his sparkling .257/.336/.297. Cursed statistics! I love how Alfonso Soriano is your perennial whipping boy yet you think a platoon of Reed Johnson (awful) and Jim Edmonds (even worse) in CENTERFIELD would be a “pretty darn good” idea.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on May 9, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
P.S. Soriano helped win the game today.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on May 9, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reading is fundamental
What I said is that I’m intrigued about looking into Jim Edmonds. Of course he has been bad, hence why he was released today. But of course you already knew that and this was subliminal attempt to instigate. But I shall rise above it.
Anyway, Edmonds will come cheap. For the major league minimum in fact since San Diego and I assume partly St. Louis are on the hook for his $10 million guarnteed salary in 2008.
Worth investigating. Definitely so.
Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.
by MDBNIU on May 9, 2008 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But
we have two center fielders who are able to cover the same ground as Edmonds. You’d really be bringing him in for his left handed bat and to me thats not worth the plane ticket.
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on May 9, 2008 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Edmonds would make the league minimum.
He would also probably be worth the league minimum. Your definition of “pretty darn good” puzzles me. And so let me get this straight:
Soriano has been bad so far this year, and is obviously going to continue to be bad because his numbers last season were “personal” and don’t count.
Edmonds has been bad so far this year, but could turn it around because at 38 he’s the picture of good health.
by cwyers on May 9, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reading is fundamental, cwyers.
You and your subliminal attempts to instigate. But he shall rise above it.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on May 9, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worth the league minimum?
Seriously?
And I hope you’re kidding about “the picture of good health”, because he’s always an injury waiting to happen.
.178/.265/.233. Josh Kroeger could do better than that.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on May 9, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I was soooo kidding about that.
I’m just continually amused by who the Technohawk thinks are and are not good baseball players, and was pointing that out.
I think Edmonds can do better than that, too, but not by that much. Kroeger can’t really play center field. Kind of a wash. I’m picturing something along the lines of a .680 OPS, decent CF defense, pretty much the definition of replacement level. Not really useful to us at this point – we have plenty of players that can give us that sort of production.
by cwyers on May 9, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MDBNIU is Technohawk?
That explains a lot.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on May 9, 2008 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gary Varsho pointed it out in the game thread.
I had been suspicious, but he was REAL obvious about it today.
by cwyers on May 9, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which game thread?
I’ll take a look through.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on May 9, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would appear so.
Same rhetoric, same diction, same self-righteousness….and cwyers is right, it was in the first game thread, not long before first pitch, IIRC.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on May 9, 2008 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, I can't keep up with the teenager-like activities...
...on this blog. I have a hard enough time keeping up with CUBS-related activities! Why’s there always gotta be someone to stir the pot?
I remember Blue Mike, but not Technohawk…and I’ve been around for a long time!
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on May 9, 2008 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Technohawk has never posted here under that name.
However, I have seen his posts on other Cubs blogs. To say they are frightening is an understatement.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on May 9, 2008 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's like "Sympathy For The Devil."
A whole lot of names for the same face.
by cwyers on May 9, 2008 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It reminds me of
Fernando Pessoa, who created, it is rumored, 72 heteronyms in some of the leading literary journals of his day. He would have one “person” attack Pessoa, another defend Pessoa, and so on. Then, he, Pessoa, as himself, would sometimes intervene. If Technohawk were more creative, he could work it this way and it would be hilarious.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on May 9, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On second read...
...I wasn’t referring to you, gary varsho, in my above post. Didn’t want you to think that.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on May 9, 2008 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No offense taken.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on May 9, 2008 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
25K's in 79 AB's also
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on May 9, 2008 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worth investigating.
I would investigate Bonds before I investigated Edmonds. Actually, I already did. It took me 5 seconds to figure out the Cubs don’t need him nor would he do anything but block Pie.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on May 9, 2008 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still shocked
no one has picked up Sosa. Take him over Bonds any day. Not for the Cubs, but there’s gotta be a team out there thats looking into it.
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on May 9, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bonds could still hit last season, and is left handed.
Sosa is right handed, and could really only hit lefties. Both of them have roughly the same amount of defensive usefulness. Bonds is probably MORE of a hassle, but it’s six-dozen of the Ringling Brothers and a half-dozen of the Barnum and Bailey’s at this point.
by cwyers on May 9, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The nagging question is...
if Bonds is available at the deadline…and we can get him cheap (yeah right)...would the dagger in the heart of the team chemistry be worth his bat off the bench?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 9, 2008 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Off the bench?
No way in hell, if by “off the bench” you mean as a Daryle Ward sort.
by cwyers on May 9, 2008 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's no "deadline" for Bonds...
... since he’s a free agent.
The answer is no. He’s pretty well worthless to the Cubs except as a pinch-hitter.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on May 9, 2008 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was referring to the trade deadline in the respect that...
if we felt we needed a left-handed power bat and couldn’t get one via a trade, what would the reaction be to Bonds.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 9, 2008 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My reaction is still no.
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on May 9, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
never.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 9, 2008 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if soriano is injured i would get him or if god forbid
derek lee got injured. Im sure bonds could play first.
"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"
by fischisgod on May 9, 2008 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FJM
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on May 9, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to be clear, my “him” refers to Edmonds.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on May 9, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Bonds certainly has been "investigated."
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on May 9, 2008 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so what if he's cheap
if he’s no GOOD?
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 9, 2008 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whats in a name?
IMO Edmonds is just that, a name… his batting average has been decreasing every year since 2004. He’s an aging center fielder, who couldn’t make it in Petco Park, let alone in Wrigley. I’d rather stick with Pie who is young, plays great defense and has a much better upside than Edmonds.
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on May 9, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LSA
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on May 9, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou keeps saying he would like more left-handed hitting power...
Again, Edmonds has been very bad. Nobody questions that. But like I said I think he is worth at least investigating. There is minimal risk for the Cubs.
Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.
by MDBNIU on May 9, 2008 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if Edmonds is a good pickup for this team...
...and that’s not a point I’m willing to conceed, where do you get the idea that Edmonds would provide power?
by cwyers on May 9, 2008 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed with the minimal risk
Having a Jim Edmonds on your bench couldn’t hurt, but then again the good people at the top of the Padres organizational hierarchy think differently….... I guess its how you look at it. Some people think cucumbers taste better pickled.
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on May 9, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
The Padres decided they would be better off paying Edmonds $4.6 million or so to NOT play baseball for them, rather than to keep him around. Maybe they’re wrong, but I haven’t seen anyone present evidence of that notion.
by cwyers on May 9, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paycheck
I need to send them my application…..
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on May 9, 2008 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1st post
Not only does Edmonds represent everything I hate as a Cardinal hater, but he will be most valuable to the Cubs coming off any other NL bench late in the game as an automatic out for either Marmol or Woody.
by 15% on May 9, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care who the guy played for.
All I care about is that he can’t play NOW.
I actually know some people who claim that if the Cubs acquired a player directly from the White Sox, they wouldn’t root for him (but Bob Howry and Scott Eyre are OK because they played for other teams in between). That’s just ridiculous. If the Cubs got Javier Vazquez or Mark Buehrle right now, I’d be very happy (no, that’s not a rumor, either, just an example).
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on May 9, 2008 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Cubs got him, I’d root for him. I won’t root for the Cubs trying to get him.
Great site. Great win.
by 15% on May 9, 2008 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno about Buehrle.
He hasn’t been missing many bats lately, but Javy Vasquez is looking 10 years younger this year.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on May 9, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point being...
... if the Sox had a useful player and the Cubs got him from them, I’m all for it.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on May 9, 2008 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me, too.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on May 9, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plenty of Cub fans
rooted for Sammy Sosa, after all….
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on May 9, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew there was a reason that
I never really like him….
by LT on May 9, 2008 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buehrle has been a bit unlucky this season.
I’d expect him to turn it around before too long. His FIP ERA is a shining 3.86.
That said, I have no idea what’s gotten into Vasquez. Wow.
by cwyers on May 9, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
Javy Vasquez looks better than he has in years. I have no idea where this came from.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on May 9, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we should be asking
why Floyd and Danks are pitching so well!
My 08 Cubs record 4-0
My 08 W.Sox record 0-2 (I havent seen a sox win in 3 years)
Updated April 26th
by Rudey on May 9, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Floyd's
always been a highly-regarded prospect, he just always had poor command and gave up way too many HR. Now, look at Floyd’s peripherals, specifically his K/BB ratio and his FB%, and you’ll see a return to earth is in line at some point. Danks…I don’t know. Maybe he’s just figured it out. He’s keeping the ball down and he’s not walking a lot of guys. That’ll keep you in a lot of ball games.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on May 9, 2008 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find Kenny Williams to be one of the more intolerable sports figures in town but I’ll admit he knew what he was doing with Floyd, Danks and Quentin.
by 15% on May 9, 2008 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quentin was the only real steal.
But don’t forget, he gave Arizona Chris Young the year before, albeit for Javy Vasquez.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on May 9, 2008 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dbacks
I’m as impressed as anybody with what the Dbacks have done, particularly with the pitching staff butto have signed Byrnes for big dollars when Quentin could be out there?
Ouch.
by 15% on May 9, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quentin is as streaky a hitter as Byrnes
and offers less speed and defensive ability than Byrnes does.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on May 9, 2008 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All true but I’d sooner see Byrnes come up 4 times today than Quentin. I stress “today”.
by 15% on May 9, 2008 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it would've mattered.
right hander’s not named Chris Young (and even he only for one AB) had ntohing for Lilly today. He was killing them with that backdoor slider.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on May 9, 2008 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Quentin falling down to earth also..
But ive been amazed by White Sox pitching 3rd best in the league?
I feel bad for them cause they are like 3-3 with 1ER a game because W.Sox offense is terrible.
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Updated April 26th
by Rudey on May 9, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Their pitching has been solid, thus far.
Be interesting to see if they can keep this up.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on May 9, 2008 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
He’s got a .233 SLG. JFTR, the Cubs have three pitchers (Lilly, Z and Marquis) with higher SLG’s than that.
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by Al on May 9, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although to be fair we have two pitchers outhitting Reed Johnson.
Zambrano: .261/.261/.435
Lilly: .272/.333/.364
Johnson: .260/.341/.298
I hand-computed Lilly and Johnsons’s figures after today’s game, so they’re up to date.
by cwyers on May 9, 2008 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, that's an ugly-looking SLG for Johnson.
Yet another reason to put Pie out there, at least vs. RHP, and just let him play for a while.
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by Al on May 9, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reed Johnson's SLG makes me weep.
Johnson’s numbers against RHP so far this season:
.260/.312/.304
There is no reason to sit Pie against righties when Reed Johnson is the alternative.
by cwyers on May 9, 2008 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. 304??
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by dtpollitt on May 9, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a fug SLG % there on Reed.
There’s about no reason for Pie not to play everyday, or at least for Lou to go with a straight platoon out there.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on May 9, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure it can.
You have to send down someone else to make room for him.
Who is he better than? You really going to play Edmonds over Pie or Johnson?
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 9, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glove slamming
Personally, I think too much was made of Lilly slamming his glove down in disgust. He was pissed, and let his emotions show. We don’t get on Z for “letting his emotions show” when he’s pumping his fist and pointing at the sky.
Lilly didn’t have good stuff in a playoff game when his team needed him, and let everyone see his frustration. And before anyone starts in on the whole “role model” b.s., this is MLB…not the boy scouts!
Bottom line, he gave the boys a great start today when they needed it, and is pitching much better of late. Should take 2 of 3 now. It’s what you need to do at home, even against the mighty snakes.
Soriano should hit 5th. Period.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on May 9, 2008 5:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I agree with you.
I just found it interesting that Young homered off him again.
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by Al on May 9, 2008 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just bad pitch selection
the guy is a 1st ball fastball hitter…a well known fact. No biggie though…final outcome is all that mattered! I loved how Woody sent Young packing in the 9th. Money.
Soriano should hit 5th. Period.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on May 9, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As far as I'm concerned,
if Lilly pitches like this every time he gives up a HR in the first inning, I hope he gets tagged for roughly 25 more HRs (+?) this season…
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on May 9, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the first 2 pitches he threw him...
were 76mph curveballs, which Young buckled on.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 9, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love that he slammed his glove.
He was angry at himself. Its not like he was showing up anyone else. Of course, I was as angry about his pitch as he was.
by californiachicagoan on May 9, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great to see Soriano
come out of his funk with a big two-out, game-winning hit. That should keep people from trashing him for about two hours.
Derosa also swung the bat much better today.
Ted Lilly was huge and Wood looked untouchable.
Also, I posted a game thread in the comments because, one, the game thread was interminably slow and three or four commenters had asked for some play-by-play since they were at work, so I posted a separate thread. I hope that wasn’t a problem….
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on May 9, 2008 6:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone wanna talk about Kerry?
9 pitches, all strikes, and I believe the 8th pitch was a 96 mph heater. What a nice collection of pitches today, he looked MONEY.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on May 9, 2008 6:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought Kerry looked great.
A man on a mission, to prove that some of the ugly blown saves were an aberration.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on May 9, 2008 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That fastball he threw to Upton
was incredible. Upton had no chance. If Kerry can duplicate today, he’s going to be fine. He’s just gotaa throw strikes. Don’t try to be cute, don’t try to paint corners and such, just. throw. strikes. He did that today and he looked incredible.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on May 9, 2008 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And look at who he sat down, Young, Jackson and Upton
...Upton is having an incredible season .344/ 407/566 and Wood just dominated him.
Wood just had that swagger out there today where you just felt like he was going to get it done.
Felix Pie must play everyday!
by JB 23 on May 9, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on May 9, 2008 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Theriot
He did dominate the heart of the order, but did you notice Theroit nearly extend the inning on Upton routine ground ball (He was safe)? I can’t help but think that Theriot won’t kill us at SS before the year is out.
by 15% on May 9, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure Lou noticed that, too.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on May 9, 2008 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looked safe to me too...
Onedec should of been at short…
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"
by Bump Bailey on May 9, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Game
This is the first time in a long time I haven’t seen or heard one second of the game. The Cubs could have come out wearing tutus and done the honey pokey to begin every inning as far as I knew.
Thanks for the excellent recap Al as always. I felt I didn’t miss a beat thanks to the details.
It was also nice to break out of our recent funk of winning 1 losing 2.
We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.
by cubstoseriesby100 on May 9, 2008 6:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
...we adopted the Angels’ Rally Monkey before the game, and he came out and sung the 7th inning stretch. He then proceeded to poop in his hand and throw it at Nancy Drew. You missed A LOT.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on May 9, 2008 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome to hear guys
Had no idea since i was working all day but its good to hear. I cant wait to watch this tonight.
Its awesome to see Lilly pitching like he is, really exciting. Kerry seemed to pitch well and the hitting seemed to be clutch again.
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My 08 W.Sox record 0-2 (I havent seen a sox win in 3 years)
Updated April 26th
by Rudey on May 9, 2008 6:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fools
probably about 5,000 no-shows today
That frustrated me a bit in watching the game. I noted the no-shows. Last week I perused Cubs.com for tix but my options consisted of over priced nose-bleed or even higher priced nose-bleed seats. The no-shows were likely casual cold-adverse dilettantes. Feh.
by Emelie on May 9, 2008 6:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You probably could have gotten good seats...
.... pretty cheap just by showing up today. The brokers who have storefronts along Addison had plenty available and few takers.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on May 9, 2008 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good to know
I had considered them scalpers. Next time I’ll take the chance. It was fun though to do the TV bit with BCB’ers :)
by Emelie on May 9, 2008 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are legalized scalpers, true.
But on a day like this, with cold weather and many more sellers than buyers, you can probably get a ticket for face or even below if you are willing to wait till close to game time, and they get desperate to sell whatever they have left.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on May 9, 2008 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tomorrow's Fox announcers and Jim Edmonds
Anyone is preferable to Tim McCarver. Listening to him makes my ears bleed, and I don’t mean Cubbie Blue.
I used to regard Edmonds as the kind of player you hate on other teams but would love to have on yours. However, after a few years of watching him whine about every other called strike and often turn what looked like fairly routine plays into dramatic diving catches just for effect, I’m not sure I would have wanted him even when he still had something. A good friend of thirty years who lives in St. Louis and is objective and very knowledgeable about baseball even though he is a Cards fan, told me a couple of years ago that Edmonds had a habit of lying motionless on the ground for a few seconds after a diving catch, especially with two outs. Then, when the crowd went quiet and started to murmur as if he might be hurt, he’d get up and run to the dugout while inevitably getting a big hand. Yes, the guy was a great player in his day, but he was also one of the biggest drama queens I’ve seen in the last ten years.
by Mike Vails Evil Twin on May 9, 2008 7:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
... McCarver is bad, but Mark Grace is horrendous. I’m glad I’ll be at the game and won’t have to listen to him.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on May 9, 2008 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed....I will be roaming the bleachers tommarrow as well..
...and wont have to suffer either
First game since the Pirates were in town. I am giddy with anticipation!
Felix Pie must play everyday!
by JB 23 on May 9, 2008 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
stop by and say hi!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on May 9, 2008 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's all subjective
I guess it’s the difference between whether you would prefer being beaten to death with a baseball bat or a tire iron. I can tolerate Grace up to a point, but after thirty or so years of McCarver I can’t take any more.
by Mike Vails Evil Twin on May 9, 2008 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point taken.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on May 9, 2008 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any baseball on tv guys?
Cant find any and not really interested in the Lakers sweeping the Jazz or the terrible, terrible offense of the White Sox..
Will i just have to deal with watching slow updating Brewers/Cardinals?
Thx in advance guys!
My 08 Cubs record 4-0
My 08 W.Sox record 0-2 (I havent seen a sox win in 3 years)
Updated April 26th
by Rudey on May 9, 2008 7:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is why I buy EI...
... even though I go to the home games and can watch all the Cub road games on local TV. Sometimes I just want to watch another game. It’s worth the $159 a year to me.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on May 9, 2008 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poor college student, but thanks.
My 08 Cubs record 4-0
My 08 W.Sox record 0-2 (I havent seen a sox win in 3 years)
Updated April 26th
by Rudey on May 10, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cardinals have the bases loaded, no outs, up 3-0.
Top of the 2nd, Parra can’t find the strike zone. Boy is that team in a free fall.
It's gotta be the shoes, folks, it's gotta be the shoes...
by Schwa on May 9, 2008 7:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
walked in 2 right?
My 08 Cubs record 4-0
My 08 W.Sox record 0-2 (I havent seen a sox win in 3 years)
Updated April 26th
by Rudey on May 9, 2008 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember when...
A couple weeks ago, when we were rooting for the Cards to beat the Brewers (myself included), because we thought the Cards couldn’t keep this up.
6 weeks in…and they’re keeping this up. And help is on the way. Ugh, I hate the Cardinals…maybe this is karma for rooting for them.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on May 10, 2008 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Asking for some input...
Reed Johnson is the proud owner of a .640 OPS. Felix Pie’s is an even more atrocious .567. Those almost make me yearn for the return of JJ. (I said almost.)
What would be hurt if Lou tried Ronny Cedeno in CF for a week? Ronny’s had a hot bat, and he does have a little experience in CF, at least in the DWL. He’s fast enough to outrun some mistakes (as opposed to DeRo, who would have to get a good jump on everything if he were to play CF), and he has a good arm. Pie would be available as a defensive replacement. I’d like to see it, at least with Marquis or Lieber on the mound.
It’s obvious that Lou loves the Riot (why???), and Lou can’t bench DeRo if he hopes to have Hendry trade him. It would be nice to get Ronny a few ABs, and this would be better than moving Dome to CF while he is trying to get adjusted to ML pitching.
Anyone else have any thoughts on this?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on May 9, 2008 8:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Both of them have outhit Jones...
...who put up a .165/.244/.253 for Detroit before being cut from the team. His LD% and HR/F look abysmal, too – this isn’t a guy that isn’t having balls fall in for hits, this is a guy hitting a lot of weak grounders. Maybe he can get it turned around, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
As far as Cedeno in CF… Lou has mentioned it, but I don’t know what it would take for him to actually try it. I think that Johnson’s batting average is masking his absolute futility otherwise. (I know, I know – his OBP is pretty good. But his HBP rate is unsustainable – he’s on pace for 37 HBP for the season. And yes, I am tracking that.)
by cwyers on May 9, 2008 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts:
Perhaps if Pie had as many AB’s a Reed Johnson, he might manage a higher OPS.
I think Ronny’s defense in CF, seeing as it’s not his natural position, might be cringe-inducing.
It’s time for Theriot to assume the reserve IF role, Ronny to assume the starting SS role, Derosa to go full time at 2B, and Lou to either start Pie or go with a straight platoon in CF.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on May 9, 2008 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cedeno obviously has the physical tools to handle shortstop...
...and the two positions seem to be pretty close in skill sets required. I think any right-handed shortstop could handle center field.
The question is, how steep is the learning curve?
by cwyers on May 9, 2008 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish Lou had played Cedeno more in CF during spring training.
He only played a couple of games out there before the “experiment” was declared over. Should have gotten a week of solid playing time.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on May 9, 2008 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, Cedeno was pretty banged up...
...and wasn’t seeing a lot of playing time as it was. I dunno.
At the same time, you have to wonder if the bigger issue was not giving Pie any rope to start the season.
by cwyers on May 9, 2008 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMO
that’s EXACTLY what the bigger issue is.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on May 9, 2008 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts exactly..
“It’s time for Theriot to assume the reserve IF role, Ronny to assume the starting SS role, Derosa to go full time at 2B, and Lou to either start Pie or go with a straight platoon in CF”.
I don’t see it happening anytime soon though, as Lou seems to be in love with Theriot and Johnson at the moment.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"
by Bump Bailey on May 9, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This makes perfect sense.
Which is why it will never happen.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on May 9, 2008 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
so true
"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"
by fischisgod on May 9, 2008 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou simply doesn't trust Ronny
Remember the variety of bone head plays and at-bats Ronny has had? Lou has seen them to. It will take a lot more time and good plays and at-bats to win over Lou. But if Ronny keeps playing like he has, he will win over Lou and win his trust.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on May 9, 2008 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If pie and johnson were both going to sit
I would move fukudome to center….derosa to right field…cedeno to short…theriot to second.
by cubsmania on May 10, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha Ha! Isringhausen loses a heartbreaker.
Cards just lost a heartbreaker to the Brewers in the bottom of the 9th. Cards were winning 3-2 with two out and the bases empty, and the Brewers put together two hits and a walk to load the bases. Then Weeks hit a walkoff 2-run double.
by zevkalman on May 9, 2008 9:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
excellent!
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 9, 2008 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the cubs are one game back now?
cubs = love
by cubs ftw on May 9, 2008 10:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
1.5
2008 Cubs: Why Beat A Team in Regulation, when you can beat them in extras?
by Chanman25 on May 9, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
even though the card lost?
cubs = love
by cubs ftw on May 9, 2008 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's correct.
The Cubs were two games back going into Friday’s games. Cubs won, Cardinals lost, Cubs are one game out.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on May 10, 2008 4:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't get to see
the game but listened to it on the radio. Glad to hear them get the win. Good for Lilly, so glad to hear he pitched so well. Soriano came through too.
Hope my little spot in the world is part of the 37% for tomorrow’s game.
by sue369 on May 9, 2008 10:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's a Miracle...
The Yankees are playing on FOX tomorrow…. but somehow my TV market is listed as getting the Cubs/D’Backs game. That NEVER happens.
One note Al: When I tried to go back & look at where you got the FOX TV market breakdown page from last week, for some reason the Original Game Threads aren’t listed when you click on Archive in the red bar on the top of the main page. Every other main page thread is there, just not the original game thread.
I eventually found it using my newsreader… but it may be something the SB people might wanna look at.
by MillsChC on May 9, 2008 11:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This has already been submitted to the bugreport address.
The original game thread posts are posted in a different category than the rest of the front page posts, which is why they don’t appear in that list. Like you, I think they should be. It’s on the list.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on May 10, 2008 4:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great points Al...
on Lily’s average vs. this year and last year, good signs to come? I certainly hope so….
Great to see Wood have an effortless 9 pitch effortless save. Don’t you love it…he looked really Good! Especially, after reading about Gag-me (preferred name of the young ‘08 season) the past couple of days.
You ARE freaking out MAN!
by crw89 on May 9, 2008 11:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great game by Lilly
Love his quote in the Tribune this morning, “I guess [Harren] just threw on into my swing” (may not be a direct quote).
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on May 10, 2008 7:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Instead of trying Cedeno in center
Why not try Theriot out there, and put Ronny at SS. Just a thought, if Pie isn’t seen as a legit starting option. and Lou insists on going with guys that are hitting.
But I guess the problem with either SS starting in CF is that it limits Lou’s ability to double switch (unless E-Patt came up and Felix went down).
"Is there anything he can't do?" ~Len Kasper, 4/5/08, on Kosuke Fukudome
by JohnM on May 10, 2008 8:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Center field is a defensive position just
like shortstop and catcher. With the offensive production the Cubs are getting at catcher and SS, they should be able to carry a CF who is not putting up great numbers. While its great to want to have .300 hitters at every position, every lineup has to make compromises. You must have your strongest defensive players in the middle of the field because that’s where most of the balls are hit. Now is not the time to hold tryouts for a new CF. Some defensive positions will save runs by their play and CF is one of them.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 10, 2008 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this reasoning.
Remember this guy?
Ok, maybe you don’t. But look at him here: BR link
Pretty yawn-inducing statistics (except for his MVP year), and ones I think Felix could reach. But the man won 4 gold gloves. And he was the defensive “power” of the 1975 and 1976 WS champions.
It’s real nice when you get a guy like Andruw Jones circa 1999-2006 or 2007 Torii Hunter who can give you a middle of the lineup guy who is a defensive stud in CF. But you can win with a defensive minded CF.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on May 10, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right. The balance of
the production of this lineup should come from Lee, Rami, Dome and Sori. These are the guys that are getting the big money and they should be producing most of the runs. Soto will be a big bonus and DeRo will add his share. The rest of the lineup should be adding defensive production and the occasional production on offense. Your defense up the middle has to help out your pitching staff and should be set up that way. Teams that are getting big numbers from the middle of the diamond can afford to carry less productive players at the corner positions but you only have some much money that you can spread around to the different positions. I like the way the lineup is now. You can debate about where they the bat, but the makeup is pretty sound. With the production the Cubs can get from their corner position, they should be able to carry less offensive strength in the middle of the field.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 10, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree
It’s Lou who doesn’t think Pie’s defense is enough.
"Is there anything he can't do?" ~Len Kasper, 4/5/08, on Kosuke Fukudome
by JohnM on May 10, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Theriot played some OF last year.
He was pretty bad at it.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on May 10, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree in theory
That you can win with a defense-focused CFer, but I gotta believe Theriot is not going to continue to be an offense-focused SS (and he certainly isn’t a defense-focused one). If Cedeno crashes and DeRo keeps slumping, that’s an entire “up the middle” that’s light hitting and not entirely strong on defense. I’m not against starting Pie regularly, I just think it’s not too much to expect a little offense out of CF.
by AceCubbie on May 10, 2008 11:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why all the DeRosa negativity lately?
People have been posting that he’s a butcher in the field, he can’t hit, etc.
He started hot, had a mild slump and plays a respectable 2nd base when he is regularly playing there. His numbers stand at .268/.388/.411. He’ll be fine. Relax.
by rlpete on May 10, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said *IF* DeRo keeps slumping
And yes, respectable D. But not anything write home about, which was my point.
by AceCubbie on May 10, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yesterday was a" 2 fer....."
It was nice to pull that one out with two out punch at the bottom of the order….and it was better to go home and to watch Issy cough one up with two out and at the bottom of the Brewers line-up coming through….. those Brewer fans filing out of the park missed a hell of a finish…... good on them.
by James031 on May 10, 2008 11:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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