Open Thread: Cubs vs. Braves, Tuesday 6/10, 7:05 CT
by Al on Jun 10, 2008 3:39 PM CDT
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Atlanta Braves at Chicago Cubs, Jun 10, 2008 7:05 PM CDT
This is a classic case of possible overconfidence. The Cubs have the NL's best home record (26-8). The Braves have the majors' worst road record (7-21). Atlanta is without their best player, Chipper Jones. No-brainer, right?
Well, that's why they play the games. The Cubs are hot and the Braves are not. Let's keep it that way.
The latest round of NL All-Star balloting was released today (link opens .pdf file). Three Cubs will start the ASG if the current trends keep up -- Geovany Soto, Alfonso Soriano and Kosuke Fukudome. Soriano is third among all vote-getters in the NL behind Chase Utley and Chipper Jones. I think the Cubs could have as many as three pitchers chosen -- Z, Ryan Dempster and Kerry Wood. Six All-Star reps -- the Cubs haven't had that many since... ever. Never happened before. Wouldn't that be a nice first?
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The last time we saw Tom Glavine, he was making history at Wrigley Field with his 300th career win in a Mets uniform last August. He's been middling this year; time for some right-handed-hitting Cubs like Aramis Ramirez (vs. Glavine: .480/.548/.920, 12-for-25, 2 doubles, 3 HR) and Alfonso Soriano (.400/.478/.600, 8-for-20, a double, a HR) to tee off on him.
The last time Ted Lilly faced the Braves, he got tossed in the first inning, supposedly for throwing at Edgar Renteria. The call was ridiculous; Renteria is long gone, now with the woebegotten Tigers. Serves him right for the fight he later picked with Mike Fontenot. The Brave he's faced most from his AL days is Mark Teixeira, who he's handled well, sort of: 4-for-20, but 2 HR. Lilly has a 6.17 career ERA vs. the Braves, but most of that was compiled in this 2003 interleague game when he was with the A's and gave up seven earned runs in four innings; the only Brave who played in that game who will play tonight is... Mark DeRosa, who'll be on our side.
Today's game is on PTV in Atlanta (whatever that is -- I have no idea!), WGN, EI, and the MLB.com Mediacenter.
MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)
MLB.com Gameday (2008 version)
Baseball-reference.com game preview
Today's overflow comment threads will post at 8:15 pm and 9:15 pm CT.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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GLAVINE
LIGHT EM UP
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Jun 10, 2008 3:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
SECOND!!!!!
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Jun 10, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want PAYBACK
for last year… when he got his 300th against us.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
by SackMan on Jun 10, 2008 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1st and 2nd
reminds me of the guy here in Chicago who competed in a race up the Aon tower (several hundred competitors, 102 stories or something like that). He won, took the elevator down, ran up again and came in 1st AND 2nd.
by Emelie on Jun 10, 2008 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2nd?
Wow. He must have been some kind of fit to be able to do that!
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 10, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if that's the same guy..
who did that at the Oakbrook Terrace Towers a few years ago?...I believe he was a fireman. I remember thinking, no way that’s the same guy who passed me once already…lol..
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 10, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it might be
the fireman part rings a bell. Whoever he is he’s a bit of a show off but you’ve gotta give him his props.
by Emelie on Jun 10, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure do..
At the time, I was running 5 and 10K’s every weekend but going up those stairs is a whole different ballgame. This dude was passing everyone like it was a sprint.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 10, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's extend the home winning streak
the way teams are playing at home it looks even more imperative to win at home. Each one of these counts, let’s keep it up all summer!
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Jun 10, 2008 3:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We might get more than 6
to the all-Star game. i agree with the 6 Al has mentioned, but D Lee, Aramis and The Riot deserve a chance to go as backups too.
Cubs Win!! Cubs Win!
by Ihatethecards on Jun 10, 2008 3:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Backups
DeRosa is second in 2B voting, although Dan Uggla should be—instead he’s 4th!
"Let's not get too giggly." ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jun 10, 2008 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno.
Lee’s in a slump. Theriot is playing over his head. Ramirez is having an OK year by his standards.
But maybe one of them gets hot and can go.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 10, 2008 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Derrek has been in a slump for about a month....
Do you hear anything about an injury or anything else that might be hampering him, Al?
by crazymountain on Jun 10, 2008 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This sucks!
I thought I would be getting my cable/internet today but it isn’t scheduled til tomorrow! Another night of pat and ron…
by GoCubbies34 on Jun 10, 2008 3:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel your pain
my net has been out since last Friday morning and won’t be fixed until this Friday. Life in cyber center land is rough.
by Emelie on Jun 10, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tonights game
is also on WGN. I’m stoked (out in Denver)
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on Jun 10, 2008 3:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You're right.
I had the post confused with another date. I’ll fix it. Today’s game IS on WGN.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 10, 2008 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steve Trachsel...
No, I do NOT want him back. Just marking the end of an ex-Cub’s career. I assume he’ll retire.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 10, 2008 4:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
PTV is...
Peachtree TV – It used to be TBS the Superstation, I think,
Re-branding FTW!!!
by Slim1256 on Jun 10, 2008 4:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of re-branding...
Peachtree – TV You Can’t Eat!
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jun 10, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hoping for some great
pitching from Lilly. If it’s 80 degrees there let’s hope the Cub bats are hot too.
by sue369 on Jun 10, 2008 4:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not that it will matter in 3 hours...
but which way and how hard is the wind blowing right now?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 4:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A pointed out above
the winds are blowing out to center field 5 15 mph.
by sue369 on Jun 10, 2008 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
515 mph?
just kidding. actually, with the storms that we’‘ve had ….
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 10, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheesh
I really screwed my comment up didn’t I? Should be 5 – 15 mph.
by sue369 on Jun 10, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think everyone knew what you meant
I’m a smartass…it’s who I am. Couldn’t help it.
Plus, I was pretty sure you wouldn’t get upset. Looks like I was right :)
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 10, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
see and I was thinking more of a dumb ass.
giggle
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 10, 2008 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Way to be a fan.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the Cubs as much as anybody
But baseball trends seem to jump up and bite you.
by Mapmaker on Jun 10, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking...
... for whatever demented reason, that we’re going to lose tonight. Why? No idea – the odds seem “too much” in our favor? Dunno.
That said, I sure hope I’m wrong. I love being wrong about such things. :)
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jun 10, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why can't a guy have a hunch without having his fandom questioned?
by Mapmaker on Jun 10, 2008 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just have
a better reason, that’s all.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh...
don’t be a dork? Stay in school?
Why would you come here and profess to be a cubs fan, and then “guarantee” a loss?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't mean to guarantee anything
But if it seemed like I did, it was technically BEFORE I professed my love of the Cubs.
Just sayin’...
by Mapmaker on Jun 10, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you said
“book it.”
Maybe, you should just move on from this unfortunate start.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's the "book it"
that got people going
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 10, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
to be honest, that's why I replied to SWL
you probably didn’t mean to, but you did come across as a bit bluemikish…
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 10, 2008 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could have just said....
considering the odds being in our favor…you have a bad feeling about the outcome of the game tonight.
Same general idea…and nobody would have gotten the wrong idea.
Book it.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL. I'll try harder next time.
I didn’t think it would cause such a ruckus. Just a feeling.
by Mapmaker on Jun 10, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
irony
on the sidebar in the google ads, there’s an ad selling the racist “horry cow” t-shirts…
by ecbc on Jun 10, 2008 4:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That pops up on my gmail account, too.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think those shirts are stupid,
but why are they racist? many asian people have trouble pronouncing “l” sounds. i’m not really sure why that is supposed to be funny or racist. it’s just how it is.
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
by anormal on Jun 10, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's just say
it plays on an unflattering stereotype of Asian-Americans and leave it at that.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess i just don’t understand what is flattering or unflattering about this. our ability to form particular sounds is shaped as we learn language in early youth. that’s not mean or flattering or whatever – it’s just a fact. i’m sure that there are lots of language sounds that would be difficult for me, as a native english speaker, to pick up. is that funny or racist too?
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
by anormal on Jun 10, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fukudome found
them to be unflattering and doesn’t like them. To me his opinion counts a lot.
by sue369 on Jun 10, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wonder why he is “unflattered”? if anything, it seems to show that the people who purchase these things are idiots. – which reflects on them and not him.
like i said, i think it’s a stupid shirt, i just don’t understand how having difficulty pronouncing an “L” sound is supposed to be insulting
the idea of free expression is only valuable if you believe in it even for things you don’t like.
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
by anormal on Jun 10, 2008 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's a generalization
that was used to indicate that Asians were stupider than Caucasians.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess that is my point – if you think that pronouncing or not pronouncing a particular sound indicates stupidity, then you are the stupid one. (and just to be clear, i mean “you” in a general sense and not you in particular).
that is why i think the shirts are stupid – and only a stupid person would buy one.
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
by anormal on Jun 10, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's why it's called
racism.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the notion of an entire race of people being superior is racist
by definition
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 10, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
where does this shirt say anything about superiority?
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
by anormal on Jun 10, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's implied.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is only implied if you accept the premise that not speaking “proper” english is a sign of inferiority. i do not.
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
by anormal on Jun 10, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you need to put this in a historical context
to get an appreciation for what is implied
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 10, 2008 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
indeed.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the difficulty in picking up a sound isn't racist
the sweeping generalization is racist
I hesitate to use my China experience too much here for fear of coming off like “I played college baseball…”, but how many Asians do you actually know? The ones that I work with not only have no problem with pronouncing the “l” sound. In fact, there are plently of words in Mandarin that have that sound, including the words for six (pronounced like “lieu”), road (pronounced like “loo”) and a host of other common words.
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 10, 2008 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly...
imagine the outcry in 2007 if a shirt had been made depicting a caricature of Soriano with a Carmen Miranda Headdress on and the words “Ole Cow!”
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too soon?
:D
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on Jun 10, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’ll have to get back to you about that after i have a chance to google a few thing…..
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
by anormal on Jun 10, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“but how many Asians do you actually know?”
- the thing that got me thinking about this is that i know a chinese woman in my grad program who has trouble with “L” sounds – though i did have some friends from high school who were born in vietnam and they had no problems with “L” sounds. i would imagine that this is specific to particular languages or dialects – but i don’t know for sure.
i don’t think it is racist or a sweeping generalization to point out that people raised in a particular language group may have trouble picking up pronounciations from another language group after they grow up. i myself had a lot of problems with the “oooo” sound when i was taking french in high school – and that is a language that is relatively close to english.
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
by anormal on Jun 10, 2008 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pointing something out and mocking something
are two entirely different things
the shirt is mocking, as drew pointed out above—it implies a superiority, it’s arian nation crap, and it’s ugly
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 10, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well you are certainly right that it is ugly.
my first thought when i saw it was – that was exactly how harry used to pronounce it by the end of a 14 inning game.
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
by anormal on Jun 10, 2008 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the bear on the shirt obviously isn't drunk
with the equally offensive, slanted eyes, it is supposed to be Asian. it’s a charicature,and an unflattering one
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 10, 2008 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i understand that. it was just a joke. i remember harry being tanked in the extra inning games when i was a kid….
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
by anormal on Jun 10, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
on second read i have to say that i don’t have any idea where “arian nation” comes into this…..
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
by anormal on Jun 10, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, spell check
aryan. neo-nazi. ugly, evil stuff
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 10, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no worries, i wasn’t trying to be spelling police. plus i’m happy to discuss the issue calmly – i don’t think either of us would ever buy the shirt either way.
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
by anormal on Jun 10, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I misread your post
and took it to mean that you didn’t know what I was saying. not that you were spelling police.
Don’t worry—I understood completely that you would never buy one of these. You asked what makes it racist, and we’re just trying to explain that. By definition, calling one race inferior is racist, and that is what those shirts imply.
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 10, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by implying that asians can't speak
and are therefore stupid it implies white superiority. hence arian nation.
usually when you invoke nazi anything you lose, but this is correct.
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 10, 2008 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why? i can’t speak japanese and i don’t think that means i’m dumb. why would not being able to speak english signify a lack of intelligence? the only way this can be infered if if someone believes that speaking english is a sign of superiority – which is clearly not true to any intelligent person…
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
by anormal on Jun 10, 2008 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...untrue
speaking english is a sign of superiority
Harrelson and Morgan both speak english…and we all know what kind of people they are.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol. thanx for adding a bit of levity to the discussion….
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
by anormal on Jun 10, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but what if someone had a picture of you
making you look pasty-white, overweight, with a vacant look on your face while saying, “Konichiwa, partner!” and sold it on a shirt outside of where you worked, while trying to adjust to a country 6000 miles from home? what would you think, then?
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 10, 2008 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i get what you are saying, but if someone had that shirt with me on it i would laugh my ass off – especially if i was wearing a really big cowboy hat!
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
by anormal on Jun 10, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
racists are stupid
i’m not implying anything and don’t see why you don’t see the racism in this, but whatever. we agree: this shirt is awful and needs to be called out when seen, right?
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 10, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, my reaction to seeing the shirt on an actual person would probably be to either laugh at them or just ignore them depending on my mood. – i do agree that it is a stupid shirt, but i think all the attention paid to it gives it far more weight than it deserves.
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
by anormal on Jun 10, 2008 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but ignoring it doesn't make it go away
and its more the attitude behind the shirt (and the things about it that make you laugh) that are bothersome to me.
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 10, 2008 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
please don’t misunderstand – it is the moron who finds the shirt funny and plunks down his or her cash to proudly wear it in public that i am laughing at – not the shirt itself.
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
by anormal on Jun 10, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay
we’re on the same page. :-)
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 10, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about the headbands everyone wears
is that same as the shirt?
by brownbuddha on Jun 10, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMO, no
they aren’t disrespectful (other than the ones that have the same logo as the shirt on them).
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jun 10, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why not?
does every japanese play do karate?
by brownbuddha on Jun 10, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See I don't equate
headband with karate. I see the headband more as a symbol of the Japanese culture. To me, the fans wearing the headbands that say Fukudome on them is more of a show of support, like wearing a baseball jersey or hat, etc. It’s just using a piece of the Japanese culture to show your support for a Japanese player
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jun 10, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno I'm kinda mixed on them
but its more the MOTIVATION behind the wearing of things that causes the racism. ::shrug:: I dunno. Not an expert, or anything.
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 10, 2008 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i am from texas and if i was a player and i saw
alot of people with a cowboy hat on with my last name i would be a little up set with that
by brownbuddha on Jun 10, 2008 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i lived in texas for 8 years and i know lots of people who would be wholeheartedly flattered by having people all over the country wear that….
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
by anormal on Jun 10, 2008 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but not all
a couple of people does not make up the mass, you have to know the person
by brownbuddha on Jun 10, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure, everyone is different, but lots of people see cowboy hats as connected with texas heritage and they are proud and thrilled to see that heritage extolled by others. – i have no idea if the same thing applies to the headbands for japanese people.
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
by anormal on Jun 10, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it start with the hat
then the next thing you know everyone drives trucks and lives on a ranch and herds cattle and so
by brownbuddha on Jun 10, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with that. the headband or shirt is not racist – perhaps the person is.
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
by anormal on Jun 10, 2008 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with you
it is the person and the person might not get it
by brownbuddha on Jun 10, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IIRC Dragonsfanatic
says they wear headbands in Japan if so the answer is no, not the same as the shirt
by Emelie on Jun 10, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s good to know. i was curious about this….
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
by anormal on Jun 10, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i every japanese has a camera ....
and every russian is in the mob … etc
is that the way it works
by brownbuddha on Jun 10, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t think that is what is being said – just that people actually wear headbands in japan and that is is not just a stereotype – much like in texas where there is the stereotype of everyone wearing cowboy hats and there is the reality that you do see them actually worn by lots of people (but not everyone of course – and it depends where in texas you live)
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
by anormal on Jun 10, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i understand
The shirt makes you a racist and the headband does not, the headband is just a stereotype – the stereotype might be just as bad
That is my opinion,
some people don’t know that they are offending others and some do it just to do it, but I think as a society we are be coming more and more sensitive and some times that is good and sometimes not so good, the shirts and headbands should be gone unless Dome is ok with them, and if people are wearing them in respect and not making fun of the fact that he is from Japan, and I think most people are wearing to show there support and there are a few bad apples out there
by brownbuddha on Jun 10, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
does the headband have the same graphics as the shirt? if so then i agree that they should be treated the same, but i thought the headband had a japanese sun and some japanese writing. i could be wrong. i’ve never looked at them that closely.
i do disagree that dome should have any input as to what people are allowed to wear to games though….
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
by anormal on Jun 10, 2008 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think we should end this topic
our opinions are a little different, but we both agree the shirt is no good
right?
by brownbuddha on Jun 10, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well i certainly don’t want one.
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
by anormal on Jun 10, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coolie hats...
Is that racist…or just stupid?
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 10, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of a cone-shaped hat...
I’ve seen them at Wrigley….just looks really dumb to me…I don’t even know if they wear them in Japan or not.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 10, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i googled it, what someone would wear in
a rice field (saying with out being racist)
by brownbuddha on Jun 10, 2008 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
like this one...
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 10, 2008 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
definitely a good call for sitting in the sun….
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
by anormal on Jun 10, 2008 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no one's trying to argue
that the people who sell and/or buy these shirts are smart.
We’re arguing that the shirts themselves are offensive.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But they aren't pointing out
the fact that people of Asian decent have trouble with “L” sounds. They are making fun of that fact. While the shirt isn’t blatantly stating that all Asians can’t pronounce the letter “l”, the shirt is implying as much, which is a sweeping generalization about Asians, which is racist.
Regardless, it is completely insensitive and shouldn’t be tolerated in our society.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jun 10, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
definitely worth being called out.
agree completely.
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 10, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have to disagree with the last half of your last sentence. this should absolutely be tolerated in our society even if we don’t like it. that is what freedom of expression is all about.
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
by anormal on Jun 10, 2008 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you have the freedom to express whatever you want
but that doesn’t mean you get a free pass. i’m not calling for it to be banned, but it should be called out for the attitude it has behind it.
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 10, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Despicable
A black eye for Bleedcubbieblue.com. This add besmirches the good reputation of this blog.
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 10, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know that those ADs
are completely outside of Al’s control don’t you?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
Lighten up, Francis. SB Nation doesn’t even control the contents of the adverts, much less Al.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
for the “Stripes” reference..
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 10, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I've finally found
my on-hand reply to him. Because it’s so freakin’ obvious.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Controlling the content of the adverts...
It’s probably pointless posting this now—considering the age and length of the comment section, but Al does have some control over which ads show up on this site through Google Adsense, and I believe he has already done something to block one such ad.
Since I can’t see which ad sparked this thread, I don’t know if it’s the same ads or another popping up. But something CAN be done if Al knows the link that the ad is displaying. I’ll leave it to Al to state whether he wants us to be the ad watchdogs for him.
by jbau on Jun 11, 2008 3:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tom Glavine
Probably will be the last time we ever see Tom Glavine go up against the Cubs. Hope his last memory of the Cubs is a “L”. Very fortitious to not have to face Chip Chip Chipper Jones.
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 10, 2008 4:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"fortitious"?
How voluptuous.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol! i had to sound that one out for a second and then i couldn’t stop laughing!
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
by anormal on Jun 10, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
glamargorgeous.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with the sentiment, but not with the style!
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jun 10, 2008 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chipper Jones?
You mean Larry?
LARRRRRY…....... LARRRRRRRRRRRRY
by salparadise23 on Jun 10, 2008 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's hilarious when the Met fans start that chant!
I laugh my ass off when I hear it on TV.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be a glaring omission for Marmol not to make the NL All Stars
He has the 2nd best stats in the league and puh-lenty of IP to his credit. Better than Wood. The stupid closer role is just plain over-rated. Besides, wouldn’t it be great to see him enter the game in a bases-loaded jam and strike out Manny et al to escape it?
by Jerry Mumphrey on Jun 10, 2008 4:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How Many Non-Closers Are All-Stars?
Marmol has been outstanding this season for the Cubs. I would like to see him be an All-Star. I’m afraid he won’t get picked because he’s not the “closer”. I know he has closed some games, but he’s not the primary “closer”. I think set-up guys need to get more consideration for the ASG.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Jun 10, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very, very few
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 10, 2008 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather him NOT make it...
The fewer IPs, the better.
by JFG72 on Jun 10, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dempster and Wood?
To the All Star game ahead of Marmol? Is that really likely?
Admittedly I’m not really up on what the deciding factors usually are, but Dempster sounds a surprising choice any way you look at it. Yes he’s pitched well these last couple of months, but what else does he have in his favour?
I’m not having a go at Dempster here, either. I like him and hope he continues to pitch well. Just can’t see why he would be in with a shout for All Star selection ahead of someone like Marmol.
I’m delighted to see Soto and Fukudome getting so many votes though.
by simonuk on Jun 10, 2008 4:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ouch
Tigers Dontrelle Willis down to Class A today. Ouch… Class A…
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on Jun 10, 2008 4:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rehab?
Assignment?
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 10, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don' t think so
he already did one
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jun 10, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he pitched yesterday...
got lit up bigtime…
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 10, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dombrowski's quote
“Our objective is to get Dontrelle back to being Dontrelle,” Tigers president and general manager Dave Dombrowski said at a pregame press conference. “We don’t want to put a timeframe on this; we want to get it right. The arm strength is still there on occasion, the breaking ball is still there, but we want to get him back to being comfortable throwing strikes.”
(courtesy detroittigers.com)
Dombrowski’s an idiot.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 10, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he walked 5 in less than 2 innings
but what killed me watching that game was that he struck out 2! seriously, the guy cannot find the plate WTF are you doing swinging?
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 10, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like Rich Hill....
...but we only sent him down to AAA. I’d be a lil peeved if I was Dontrelle and only got the above explanation from Dombrowski.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 10, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be peeved too
but he needs to go down and completely retool his delivery and get his knee healthy, probably better to do that in A than in AAA…
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 10, 2008 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he has to completely change his delivery...
....after so many years in the majors, they’re in big trouble.
I’ve never understand the A ball assignments for rehab. Always thought they’d want them to face tougher competition. Most of the times it’s more about the mechanics and testing an injury I guess.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 10, 2008 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His delivery is a mess
Hershizer was breaking him down during the game and he’s so inconsistent with his movements that its no surprise he can’t find the plate. Sad though because when he’s on, he’s good.
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 10, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yikes.
Class A? Wow.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was just in Detroit
Know what they are sayin about the Tigers? That the roster is “too Latino.” That and it’s old and real bad defensively outside of Curtis Granderson and Placido Polanco. Dave Dombrowski seriously out-thought himself. It will take years to unravel that mess.
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 10, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Renteria...
...what I remember from that game that Lilly got tossed was that Renteria went in hard to 2nd base (maybe the same inning he got hit) without even a small attempt at actually sliding, and the umps did nothing. It was like Renteria was pissed that he got thrown at and yet still wanted “payback” even though our starting pitcher got ridiciously tossed. I hate that guy.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 10, 2008 4:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not on Extra Innings
For the first time this year (I think), a weeknight game (not including Fridays) is not on extra innings or on ESPN. Tonight’s game is only available on the computer for those of us w/o WGN. It’s terrible.
by ethicsmax on Jun 10, 2008 4:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought WGN
was everywhere?
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 10, 2008 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
...you’re starting early tonight, Shanghai. LOL.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 10, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs lineup via ESPN 1000
Soriano
Theriot
Lee
ARam
Soto
Dome
DeRo
Reed Johnson
Lilly – needs to start hitting to fit in with the other starters! ;)
Felix Pie must play everyday!
by JB 23 on Jun 10, 2008 4:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Would have preferred an extra day off for the struggling Derrek Lee
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 10, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lee does not share
your pessimism.
So, when they’re winning, you’re going to be posting here, enjoying the win, right, BlueMike?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on Drew...
MDBNIU is a Cubs fan…he’s kinda smug and like to push our buttons…but he does genuinely seem to want the Cubs to win. He just has drastically different ideas about what would make them better and win more.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree
and if it were true, he’d be here in the winning game threads cheering with us. The only times I’ve ever seen him in a game thread is when something goes wrong.
And really. “kinda” smug? He’s smuggier and a smug made out of high-quality smug composite.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough...
I understand where you’re coming from.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he has a chance to turn it around
any day there’s a game. He can come hang out with us and have fun.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's the Simpsons Comic-Book-Guy
"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."
by californiachicagoan on Jun 10, 2008 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not sure that will help, he needs to hit his way out of this..
...He plays 155+ a year and historically gets hot in June.
Hopefully Monday did it…
Felix Pie must play everyday!
by JB 23 on Jun 10, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His bat was awfully slow on the West Coast trip
I would be inclined to give him two full days off to get rejuvenated hopefully. I also would think about flipping him Kosuke in the lineup for a few days.
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 10, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lee's defense is too valuable to take him out
especially without another legit 1B on the bench. I like Blanco, but behind the dish not on 1B.
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 10, 2008 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't go moving
players like D. Lee & Kosuke around willy-nilly. His bat hasn’t been slow- he hasn’t been seeing the ball well. Night game = white ball. Breakout tonight for D. Lee.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 10, 2008 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
D. Lee
D. Lee will be fine. He always hits well at home. I say this because D. Lee is such a professional hitter that it’s only a matter of time. He just hasn’t been seeing the ball well. I see that changing, likely tonight…
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 10, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dome 6?
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jun 10, 2008 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assume because he isnt hitting for power....
Felix Pie must play everyday!
by JB 23 on Jun 10, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More likely b/c
we are facing a lefty so Dome wouldn’t protect Rami as well as Soto, a righty
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jun 10, 2008 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glavine is a lefty
And an off-speed throwing lefty. I’m guessing that was the reason for Lou’s decision.
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 10, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
was really hoping
Ronny would get another shot after the awfulness of Riot last time…
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 10, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would like to see DeRo stay #2 for awhile...
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 10, 2008 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't go wrong with either
Theriot or DeRo in the 2 slot…
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 10, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Dero did so well there, he could have stayed a little bit longer
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jun 10, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got done typing that
and all I could think of was “Dirty Dancing”
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jun 10, 2008 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no kidding
i like a little pop up there… not to mention a little more heady on the basepaths.
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 10, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW
TWSS :)
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jun 10, 2008 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
soto in 5 hole?
really… i know he’s hitting well but what about mixing the lineup with lefties?
by cubbiefanTN on Jun 10, 2008 5:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
last year....
i went to the game last year where Lilly was tossed…. was excited since sori had hit 3 HR’s the night b4. i will agree with Al that the call was completely ridiculous.
by cubbiefanTN on Jun 10, 2008 5:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Okay I'm off to 4-H.
Why it has to go on during my Cubs time, I dunno, but I promised. Hold down the fort!! GO CUBBIES!!
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 10, 2008 5:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
4-H
I didn’t know that still was going on. You from Iowa?
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 10, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think cubbiegirl
...is from Indiana. And, yeah, 4-H is still big in this state.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 10, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i used to go to 4-H dance when i was younger
and i am not that old only 25
by brownbuddha on Jun 10, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as there are County Fairs in the Midwest...
4-H will be around. LOL.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 10, 2008 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
deep fried Turkey Leg, my god i love those things
by brownbuddha on Jun 10, 2008 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The homemade
lemonade is the best too.
by sue369 on Jun 10, 2008 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tamales, I had a chocolate tamale in Texas not good, but the funnel cakes with the powdered sugar and strawberries, dynomite
by brownbuddha on Jun 10, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funnel cakes....
now you’ve made me hungry.
by sue369 on Jun 10, 2008 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lemon Shake-Ups...?
Mmmmmmmmmm. That and an elephant ear and I’m good.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 10, 2008 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just excited...
...to hear Len and BB again. Did I read where we’re on ESPN tomorrow night again?
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 10, 2008 5:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ESPN it is.
Just checked their website and it looks like we’ll be unlucky enough to listen to Steve Phillips incoherent ramblings all evening.
by Scrapptastic on Jun 10, 2008 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is this on EPSN radio?
I got the audio package from MLB with Pat and Ron, Ron is a riot sometimes, they have good stories and Ron always for gets what he is saying, funny guys
by brownbuddha on Jun 10, 2008 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can always hear cubs announcers on the mlb audio package. i’ve had it for years. it’s a really good deal. (this year i got mlb.tv for the first time)
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
by anormal on Jun 10, 2008 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my buddy got the gameday as well
and says it is ok, but i like pat and ron
by brownbuddha on Jun 10, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the tv package includes the audio feeds too so i can watch the games or listen to pat and ron. i live in denver these day and without the internet i would have serious cubbie withdrawls…
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
by anormal on Jun 10, 2008 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
I’m in Salt Lake and the internet is awesome for keeping up with my cubbies.
by slcathena on Jun 10, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wish the cubs would play more games outside of there division
at least 2 away series in places like DC, Col, ATL, places like that, i only get 3 games a year here in DC
by brownbuddha on Jun 10, 2008 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hell yeah!
they only played 2 games in denver this year and they’re already over….
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
by anormal on Jun 10, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i could drive to NY or Philly
but dealing with Philly fans, I heard, are kind of crazy, NY i am not so sure about
by brownbuddha on Jun 10, 2008 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we drove down to texas to see em in interleague last year. you are lucky to at least have some options. when i lived in cleveland we would go to pittburgh and cincinati to see games….. you should go to philly. visiting new parks is fun. ... denver is cool but too far from everyplace else as far as baseball goes…
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
by anormal on Jun 10, 2008 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i might have to try it out
i am trying to make plans for the Yanks and then the Mets in a 2 day span, but they dont play many home games in the same day together
by brownbuddha on Jun 10, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's also
on CSN tomorrow night too. Len & Bob for me.
by sue369 on Jun 10, 2008 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wewt!
and me!
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Playing for Peanuts
has anyone seen the Playing for Peanuts series on CSN? I caught one episode and have the series set to record on the DVR. It follows the South Georgia Peanuts minor league team in a relatively cinema verite way. First episode wasn’t bad.
by Emelie on Jun 10, 2008 5:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
correction - they aren't affilated with minor league
according to Wikipedia
by Emelie on Jun 10, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've caught a little of the first episode....
Wally Backman as the manager is pretty interesting, considering he’s pretty much been banished from the major leagues. I think I heard/read somewhere that he actually quits as manager for that team.
I like reality shows and I like baseball, so I’m hoping it turns out good.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 10, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
have they shown
ANYTHING beyond the first two episodes? I really do want to watch it, but I have something like five recordings of each of the first two episodes, and nothing else.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Starting pitcher issue solved
O’s have DFA’d Traschel. Who needs CC, Hardin Maddux etc. when Traschel is available
This has probably already been posted but those of us who have to work during the day
can’t always go through the 1500 posts we miss between 9 and 5.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 10, 2008 5:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I love Trachsel
and will always appreciate his career, but he is so not what the Cubbies need right now. I’d take Maddux ahead of Trachsel.
by slcathena on Jun 10, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um I don't like Traschel actually
I was kidding. There are fans and players everywhere who would cheer the retirement
of ” the human rain delay”.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 10, 2008 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um....I think I speak for everyone when I say
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha ha ha ha ha
+ 1 (at least). Great pic.
by slcathena on Jun 10, 2008 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes it was mentioned...
and yes I did read all 15,000 posts after work. I took a speed reading course in college. My scrolling mouse can barely keep up. I rock. lol j/k ANYWAY, what do you think about AJ Burnett? I keep hearing his name mentioned. CC would be awesome, as would Hardin, but Cleveland won’t negotiate and you know Oakland will want more from our system than Hendry is willing to give….. so that leaves AJ. I’m ok with any of them.
I'm kind of a big deal
by chi-townbleacherbum on Jun 10, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heyman/SI
Did anyone catch John Heyman’s piece about the Phillies? He describes Utley and Rollins as “two great gamers, gritty grinders”.
I thought we had a monopoly on those?
by leothelip on Jun 10, 2008 6:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes we do!
that’s copywright infringement or something. I’m calling my brother, he’s an attorney. This will not go unpunished. How dare him use the words “gritty” and “grinders” in the same sentence. Let’s see how Heyman ‘grinds’ out a ‘gritty’ court proceeding. Dirty thieves…. :-)
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by chi-townbleacherbum on Jun 10, 2008 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry we only hold copyright on "scrappy"
“scrappyness” ” scrappy-do” and 1100 other variations. I think Philadelpia does in fact
have the copyright on “grinders” but preferably ones stuffed with lunch meats. Gritty is in
the public domain.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jun 10, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lets the judge decide...
i’m sure the judge won’t mind another frivolous lawsuit based entirely on the communications contained in an online sports blog. If some lady can spill hot coffee in her lap and make a million bucks, i’m sure we can get a couple of free tix or something out of this. lol
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by chi-townbleacherbum on Jun 10, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to get too political
But the “hot coffee” story is one of those boogymen from business to attack what they
claim was frivolous lawsuits. The facts of the face where that the McDonald’s in question
made coffee at a tempature that burned skin despite being REPEATEDLY warned it was
dangerous ( they said people took it out and waited for it to cool) an ederly woman who spilled a cup on her lap spent a week in the hospital with her burns.
You can google many stories re the facts in the case
Here is one http://www.vanfirm.com/mcdonalds-coffee-lawsuit.htm
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by Doggie Stalker on Jun 10, 2008 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
She should hire Jackie Chiles.
:)
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by Bump Bailey on Jun 10, 2008 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did I tell you to use the balm?
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where the hell did you get that damm balm anyway?
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by Bump Bailey on Jun 10, 2008 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good thing he didn't call them "Scrappy".
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by Bump Bailey on Jun 10, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
aren't those guys a bit good to be Scrappy?
I thought Scrappy was the converse of Pesky. If a scrappy guy plays against you, you call him Pesky. If a Pesky guy plays for you, you call him Scrappy. Isn’t that how it works? Those two guys are maybe a bit too good to be earmarked as merely Pesky.
by simonuk on Jun 10, 2008 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is anyone else watching Peachtree right now
it is just a live shot of wrigley with no commentators here in Nashville on comcast… pretty cool
by LT on Jun 10, 2008 6:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's a "throwback game"....
supposedly they’re going to broadcast it like it’s a 1940 broadcast.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Black and White?
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by Bump Bailey on Jun 10, 2008 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Throwback game..
is thursday? that should be really cool! Len and Bob are supposed to be in costume….old Boston Brave unis and 40’s Cub unis…
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by Bump Bailey on Jun 10, 2008 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait to see that!
"My favorite umpire is a dead one."
-Johnny Evers
by MiCubsFan on Jun 10, 2008 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, its in HD
They are doing the lineup announcements right now. I wish ESPN and Fox would do the whole game like this (no announcers or commercials)
by LT on Jun 10, 2008 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
time for cubs baseball! :)
"My favorite umpire is a dead one."
-Johnny Evers
by MiCubsFan on Jun 10, 2008 7:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good umpiring crew.
DeMuth and Eddings are among the best in the business, IMO.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 7:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Vinny castilla is responsible for about 20 of those, all by himself.
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by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Escobar walks... :(
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-Johnny Evers
by MiCubsFan on Jun 10, 2008 7:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
1rst and third no outs.. come on cubbies
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-Johnny Evers
by MiCubsFan on Jun 10, 2008 7:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Um, Ted, fix yourself.
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by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 7:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LMAO
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by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
twss
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by Bump Bailey on Jun 10, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s the soundtrack to the accompanying MONTAGE! Because for that kinda thing, you’re gonna need a montage. Even Rocky had a montage.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jun 10, 2008 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Earlier Q on why not on EI
“Peachtree” doesn’t offer Braves games up to EI. There’s no Comcast telecast tonight, since the game is on WGN. (and WGN America) Therefore—nothing for EI to use.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 10, 2008 7:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually....
I live in South Carolina and have EI….
I have the usual WGN feed on WGN and also the Peachtree TV feed on EI.
I”ve had the Peachtree feed on EI (as well as in the regular spot in my satellite sports channels) all season.
by South Carolina Cub on Jun 10, 2008 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
K! no get the DP
"My favorite umpire is a dead one."
-Johnny Evers
by MiCubsFan on Jun 10, 2008 7:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
TWSS
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big K for Ted!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 7:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
er... now get the DP
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-Johnny Evers
by MiCubsFan on Jun 10, 2008 7:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
oh comon now. everyone hits except the guy on my fantasy
by xene on Jun 10, 2008 7:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
same here....just dumped him and picked up Bruce..
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by Bump Bailey on Jun 10, 2008 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
K!!!
"My favorite umpire is a dead one."
-Johnny Evers
by MiCubsFan on Jun 10, 2008 7:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Uh-oh, Ted's got that straight change working now.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 7:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dammit.
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by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 7:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
sigh.... now that was a shot..... darn....
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-Johnny Evers
by MiCubsFan on Jun 10, 2008 7:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
WTF?
Why did he get warned?
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by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 7:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Were you saying that last week
When he shut down the Padres? (Yeah, I know the Cubs lost, but still …)
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 10, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1st pitch after the homer...
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by Bump Bailey on Jun 10, 2008 7:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but still...
That hurts Glavine, though. He really likes to work inside to LH’ers.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
I don’t think he was even throwing at him….seemed like a pretty slow pitch..
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by Bump Bailey on Jun 10, 2008 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, just a curve that got away.
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by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
now they've pushed me over the edge..
$%%^#%#%%#!!!!
"My favorite umpire is a dead one."
-Johnny Evers
by MiCubsFan on Jun 10, 2008 7:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Was that Norton from the Honeymooners?
Bastard
by LT on Jun 10, 2008 7:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No, it was
this Norton.
Did he just say funky butt-loving?
by Louie on Jun 10, 2008 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've got to be kidding me....
I feel like every time Lilly starts he gives up a HR in the first inning, I’ve almost accepted that it’s a give in at this point.
by medward4 on Jun 10, 2008 7:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wow.
I really hope that traffic just kept me from missing the bad stuff. Looks like the top of the first was brutal.
by slcathena on Jun 10, 2008 7:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs