Open Thread: Cubs vs. Braves, Tuesday 6/10, 7:05 CT
by Al Yellon on Jun 10, 2008 3:39 PM CDT
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This is a classic case of possible overconfidence. The Cubs have the NL's best home record (26-8). The Braves have the majors' worst road record (7-21). Atlanta is without their best player, Chipper Jones. No-brainer, right?
Well, that's why they play the games. The Cubs are hot and the Braves are not. Let's keep it that way.
The latest round of NL All-Star balloting was released today (link opens .pdf file). Three Cubs will start the ASG if the current trends keep up -- Geovany Soto, Alfonso Soriano and Kosuke Fukudome. Soriano is third among all vote-getters in the NL behind Chase Utley and Chipper Jones. I think the Cubs could have as many as three pitchers chosen -- Z, Ryan Dempster and Kerry Wood. Six All-Star reps -- the Cubs haven't had that many since... ever. Never happened before. Wouldn't that be a nice first?
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The last time we saw Tom Glavine, he was making history at Wrigley Field with his 300th career win in a Mets uniform last August. He's been middling this year; time for some right-handed-hitting Cubs like Aramis Ramirez (vs. Glavine: .480/.548/.920, 12-for-25, 2 doubles, 3 HR) and Alfonso Soriano (.400/.478/.600, 8-for-20, a double, a HR) to tee off on him.
The last time Ted Lilly faced the Braves, he got tossed in the first inning, supposedly for throwing at Edgar Renteria. The call was ridiculous; Renteria is long gone, now with the woebegotten Tigers. Serves him right for the fight he later picked with Mike Fontenot. The Brave he's faced most from his AL days is Mark Teixeira, who he's handled well, sort of: 4-for-20, but 2 HR. Lilly has a 6.17 career ERA vs. the Braves, but most of that was compiled in this 2003 interleague game when he was with the A's and gave up seven earned runs in four innings; the only Brave who played in that game who will play tonight is... Mark DeRosa, who'll be on our side.
Today's game is on PTV in Atlanta (whatever that is -- I have no idea!), WGN, EI, and the MLB.com Mediacenter.
MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)
MLB.com Gameday (2008 version)
Baseball-reference.com game preview
Today's overflow comment threads will post at 8:15 pm and 9:15 pm CT.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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I want PAYBACK
for last year… when he got his 300th against us.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
1st and 2nd
reminds me of the guy here in Chicago who competed in a race up the Aon tower (several hundred competitors, 102 stories or something like that). He won, took the elevator down, ran up again and came in 1st AND 2nd.
2nd?
Wow. He must have been some kind of fit to be able to do that!
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 10, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder if that's the same guy..
who did that at the Oakbrook Terrace Towers a few years ago?...I believe he was a fireman. I remember thinking, no way that’s the same guy who passed me once already…lol..
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
it might be
the fireman part rings a bell. Whoever he is he’s a bit of a show off but you’ve gotta give him his props.
sure do..
At the time, I was running 5 and 10K’s every weekend but going up those stairs is a whole different ballgame. This dude was passing everyone like it was a sprint.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
Let's extend the home winning streak
the way teams are playing at home it looks even more imperative to win at home. Each one of these counts, let’s keep it up all summer!
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
We might get more than 6
to the all-Star game. i agree with the 6 Al has mentioned, but D Lee, Aramis and The Riot deserve a chance to go as backups too.
Cubs Win!! Cubs Win!
Backups
DeRosa is second in 2B voting, although Dan Uggla should be—instead he’s 4th!
"Let's not get too giggly." ~Lou Piniella
I dunno.
Lee’s in a slump. Theriot is playing over his head. Ramirez is having an OK year by his standards.
But maybe one of them gets hot and can go.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Derrek has been in a slump for about a month....
Do you hear anything about an injury or anything else that might be hampering him, Al?
by crazymountain on Jun 10, 2008 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
This sucks!
I thought I would be getting my cable/internet today but it isn’t scheduled til tomorrow! Another night of pat and ron…
I feel your pain
my net has been out since last Friday morning and won’t be fixed until this Friday. Life in cyber center land is rough.
Tonights game
is also on WGN. I’m stoked (out in Denver)
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
You're right.
I had the post confused with another date. I’ll fix it. Today’s game IS on WGN.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Steve Trachsel...
No, I do NOT want him back. Just marking the end of an ex-Cub’s career. I assume he’ll retire.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
PTV is...
Peachtree TV – It used to be TBS the Superstation, I think,
Re-branding FTW!!!
Hoping for some great
pitching from Lilly. If it’s 80 degrees there let’s hope the Cub bats are hot too.
Not that it will matter in 3 hours...
but which way and how hard is the wind blowing right now?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 4:08 PM CDT reply actions
515 mph?
just kidding. actually, with the storms that we’‘ve had ….
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 10, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I think everyone knew what you meant
I’m a smartass…it’s who I am. Couldn’t help it.
Plus, I was pretty sure you wouldn’t get upset. Looks like I was right :)
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 10, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Way to be a fan.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm thinking...
... for whatever demented reason, that we’re going to lose tonight. Why? No idea – the odds seem “too much” in our favor? Dunno.
That said, I sure hope I’m wrong. I love being wrong about such things. :)
Wait a minute... who am I here?
just have
a better reason, that’s all.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
uh...
don’t be a dork? Stay in school?
Why would you come here and profess to be a cubs fan, and then “guarantee” a loss?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't mean to guarantee anything
But if it seemed like I did, it was technically BEFORE I professed my love of the Cubs.
Just sayin’...
you said
“book it.”
Maybe, you should just move on from this unfortunate start.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it's the "book it"
that got people going
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 10, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
to be honest, that's why I replied to SWL
you probably didn’t mean to, but you did come across as a bit bluemikish…
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 10, 2008 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
You could have just said....
considering the odds being in our favor…you have a bad feeling about the outcome of the game tonight.
Same general idea…and nobody would have gotten the wrong idea.
Book it.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
why?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
irony
on the sidebar in the google ads, there’s an ad selling the racist “horry cow” t-shirts…
That pops up on my gmail account, too.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
i think those shirts are stupid,
but why are they racist? many asian people have trouble pronouncing “l” sounds. i’m not really sure why that is supposed to be funny or racist. it’s just how it is.
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
Let's just say
it plays on an unflattering stereotype of Asian-Americans and leave it at that.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
i guess i just don’t understand what is flattering or unflattering about this. our ability to form particular sounds is shaped as we learn language in early youth. that’s not mean or flattering or whatever – it’s just a fact. i’m sure that there are lots of language sounds that would be difficult for me, as a native english speaker, to pick up. is that funny or racist too?
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
i wonder why he is “unflattered”? if anything, it seems to show that the people who purchase these things are idiots. – which reflects on them and not him.
like i said, i think it’s a stupid shirt, i just don’t understand how having difficulty pronouncing an “L” sound is supposed to be insulting
the idea of free expression is only valuable if you believe in it even for things you don’t like.
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
it's a generalization
that was used to indicate that Asians were stupider than Caucasians.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
i guess that is my point – if you think that pronouncing or not pronouncing a particular sound indicates stupidity, then you are the stupid one. (and just to be clear, i mean “you” in a general sense and not you in particular).
that is why i think the shirts are stupid – and only a stupid person would buy one.
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
that's why it's called
racism.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
the notion of an entire race of people being superior is racist
by definition
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 10, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
where does this shirt say anything about superiority?
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
it's implied.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
it is only implied if you accept the premise that not speaking “proper” english is a sign of inferiority. i do not.
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
you need to put this in a historical context
to get an appreciation for what is implied
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 10, 2008 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
indeed.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
the difficulty in picking up a sound isn't racist
the sweeping generalization is racist
I hesitate to use my China experience too much here for fear of coming off like “I played college baseball…”, but how many Asians do you actually know? The ones that I work with not only have no problem with pronouncing the “l” sound. In fact, there are plently of words in Mandarin that have that sound, including the words for six (pronounced like “lieu”), road (pronounced like “loo”) and a host of other common words.
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 10, 2008 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly...
imagine the outcry in 2007 if a shirt had been made depicting a caricature of Soriano with a Carmen Miranda Headdress on and the words “Ole Cow!”
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Too soon?
:D
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
Yep.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
“but how many Asians do you actually know?”
- the thing that got me thinking about this is that i know a chinese woman in my grad program who has trouble with “L” sounds – though i did have some friends from high school who were born in vietnam and they had no problems with “L” sounds. i would imagine that this is specific to particular languages or dialects – but i don’t know for sure.
i don’t think it is racist or a sweeping generalization to point out that people raised in a particular language group may have trouble picking up pronounciations from another language group after they grow up. i myself had a lot of problems with the “oooo” sound when i was taking french in high school – and that is a language that is relatively close to english.
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
pointing something out and mocking something
are two entirely different things
the shirt is mocking, as drew pointed out above—it implies a superiority, it’s arian nation crap, and it’s ugly
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 10, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
well you are certainly right that it is ugly.
my first thought when i saw it was – that was exactly how harry used to pronounce it by the end of a 14 inning game.
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
the bear on the shirt obviously isn't drunk
with the equally offensive, slanted eyes, it is supposed to be Asian. it’s a charicature,and an unflattering one
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 10, 2008 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
on second read i have to say that i don’t have any idea where “arian nation” comes into this…..
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
sorry, spell check
aryan. neo-nazi. ugly, evil stuff
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 10, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
no worries, i wasn’t trying to be spelling police. plus i’m happy to discuss the issue calmly – i don’t think either of us would ever buy the shirt either way.
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
I misread your post
and took it to mean that you didn’t know what I was saying. not that you were spelling police.
Don’t worry—I understood completely that you would never buy one of these. You asked what makes it racist, and we’re just trying to explain that. By definition, calling one race inferior is racist, and that is what those shirts imply.
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 10, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
by implying that asians can't speak
and are therefore stupid it implies white superiority. hence arian nation.
usually when you invoke nazi anything you lose, but this is correct.
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 10, 2008 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
why? i can’t speak japanese and i don’t think that means i’m dumb. why would not being able to speak english signify a lack of intelligence? the only way this can be infered if if someone believes that speaking english is a sign of superiority – which is clearly not true to any intelligent person…
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
Yes...untrue
speaking english is a sign of superiority
Harrelson and Morgan both speak english…and we all know what kind of people they are.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
but what if someone had a picture of you
making you look pasty-white, overweight, with a vacant look on your face while saying, “Konichiwa, partner!” and sold it on a shirt outside of where you worked, while trying to adjust to a country 6000 miles from home? what would you think, then?
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 10, 2008 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
racists are stupid
i’m not implying anything and don’t see why you don’t see the racism in this, but whatever. we agree: this shirt is awful and needs to be called out when seen, right?
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 10, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
well, my reaction to seeing the shirt on an actual person would probably be to either laugh at them or just ignore them depending on my mood. – i do agree that it is a stupid shirt, but i think all the attention paid to it gives it far more weight than it deserves.
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
but ignoring it doesn't make it go away
and its more the attitude behind the shirt (and the things about it that make you laugh) that are bothersome to me.
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 10, 2008 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
please don’t misunderstand – it is the moron who finds the shirt funny and plunks down his or her cash to proudly wear it in public that i am laughing at – not the shirt itself.
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
okay
we’re on the same page. :-)
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 10, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
IMO, no
they aren’t disrespectful (other than the ones that have the same logo as the shirt on them).
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
See I don't equate
headband with karate. I see the headband more as a symbol of the Japanese culture. To me, the fans wearing the headbands that say Fukudome on them is more of a show of support, like wearing a baseball jersey or hat, etc. It’s just using a piece of the Japanese culture to show your support for a Japanese player
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
I dunno I'm kinda mixed on them
but its more the MOTIVATION behind the wearing of things that causes the racism. ::shrug:: I dunno. Not an expert, or anything.
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 10, 2008 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
i am from texas and if i was a player and i saw
alot of people with a cowboy hat on with my last name i would be a little up set with that
i lived in texas for 8 years and i know lots of people who would be wholeheartedly flattered by having people all over the country wear that….
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
sure, everyone is different, but lots of people see cowboy hats as connected with texas heritage and they are proud and thrilled to see that heritage extolled by others. – i have no idea if the same thing applies to the headbands for japanese people.
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
it start with the hat
then the next thing you know everyone drives trucks and lives on a ranch and herds cattle and so
i agree with that. the headband or shirt is not racist – perhaps the person is.
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
IIRC Dragonsfanatic
says they wear headbands in Japan if so the answer is no, not the same as the shirt
that’s good to know. i was curious about this….
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
i don’t think that is what is being said – just that people actually wear headbands in japan and that is is not just a stereotype – much like in texas where there is the stereotype of everyone wearing cowboy hats and there is the reality that you do see them actually worn by lots of people (but not everyone of course – and it depends where in texas you live)
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
i understand
The shirt makes you a racist and the headband does not, the headband is just a stereotype – the stereotype might be just as bad
That is my opinion,
some people don’t know that they are offending others and some do it just to do it, but I think as a society we are be coming more and more sensitive and some times that is good and sometimes not so good, the shirts and headbands should be gone unless Dome is ok with them, and if people are wearing them in respect and not making fun of the fact that he is from Japan, and I think most people are wearing to show there support and there are a few bad apples out there
does the headband have the same graphics as the shirt? if so then i agree that they should be treated the same, but i thought the headband had a japanese sun and some japanese writing. i could be wrong. i’ve never looked at them that closely.
i do disagree that dome should have any input as to what people are allowed to wear to games though….
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
i think we should end this topic
our opinions are a little different, but we both agree the shirt is no good
right?
Coolie hats...
Is that racist…or just stupid?
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
Kind of a cone-shaped hat...
I’ve seen them at Wrigley….just looks really dumb to me…I don’t even know if they wear them in Japan or not.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
like this one...
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
no one's trying to argue
that the people who sell and/or buy these shirts are smart.
We’re arguing that the shirts themselves are offensive.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
But they aren't pointing out
the fact that people of Asian decent have trouble with “L” sounds. They are making fun of that fact. While the shirt isn’t blatantly stating that all Asians can’t pronounce the letter “l”, the shirt is implying as much, which is a sweeping generalization about Asians, which is racist.
Regardless, it is completely insensitive and shouldn’t be tolerated in our society.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
definitely worth being called out.
agree completely.
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 10, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
i have to disagree with the last half of your last sentence. this should absolutely be tolerated in our society even if we don’t like it. that is what freedom of expression is all about.
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
you have the freedom to express whatever you want
but that doesn’t mean you get a free pass. i’m not calling for it to be banned, but it should be called out for the attitude it has behind it.
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 10, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Despicable
A black eye for Bleedcubbieblue.com. This add besmirches the good reputation of this blog.
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
You know that those ADs
are completely outside of Al’s control don’t you?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL!
Lighten up, Francis. SB Nation doesn’t even control the contents of the adverts, much less Al.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
for the “Stripes” reference..
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
I think I've finally found
my on-hand reply to him. Because it’s so freakin’ obvious.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Controlling the content of the adverts...
It’s probably pointless posting this now—considering the age and length of the comment section, but Al does have some control over which ads show up on this site through Google Adsense, and I believe he has already done something to block one such ad.
Since I can’t see which ad sparked this thread, I don’t know if it’s the same ads or another popping up. But something CAN be done if Al knows the link that the ad is displaying. I’ll leave it to Al to state whether he wants us to be the ad watchdogs for him.
Tom Glavine
Probably will be the last time we ever see Tom Glavine go up against the Cubs. Hope his last memory of the Cubs is a “L”. Very fortitious to not have to face Chip Chip Chipper Jones.
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
"fortitious"?
How voluptuous.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
glamargorgeous.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Chipper Jones?
You mean Larry?
LARRRRRY…....... LARRRRRRRRRRRRY
by salparadise23 on Jun 10, 2008 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
It's hilarious when the Met fans start that chant!
I laugh my ass off when I hear it on TV.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
It would be a glaring omission for Marmol not to make the NL All Stars
He has the 2nd best stats in the league and puh-lenty of IP to his credit. Better than Wood. The stupid closer role is just plain over-rated. Besides, wouldn’t it be great to see him enter the game in a bases-loaded jam and strike out Manny et al to escape it?
How Many Non-Closers Are All-Stars?
Marmol has been outstanding this season for the Cubs. I would like to see him be an All-Star. I’m afraid he won’t get picked because he’s not the “closer”. I know he has closed some games, but he’s not the primary “closer”. I think set-up guys need to get more consideration for the ASG.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
I would rather him NOT make it...
The fewer IPs, the better.
Dempster and Wood?
To the All Star game ahead of Marmol? Is that really likely?
Admittedly I’m not really up on what the deciding factors usually are, but Dempster sounds a surprising choice any way you look at it. Yes he’s pitched well these last couple of months, but what else does he have in his favour?
I’m not having a go at Dempster here, either. I like him and hope he continues to pitch well. Just can’t see why he would be in with a shout for All Star selection ahead of someone like Marmol.
I’m delighted to see Soto and Fukudome getting so many votes though.
Ouch
Tigers Dontrelle Willis down to Class A today. Ouch… Class A…
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
Rehab?
Assignment?
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 10, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
And he pitched yesterday...
got lit up bigtime…
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
Dombrowski's quote
“Our objective is to get Dontrelle back to being Dontrelle,” Tigers president and general manager Dave Dombrowski said at a pregame press conference. “We don’t want to put a timeframe on this; we want to get it right. The arm strength is still there on occasion, the breaking ball is still there, but we want to get him back to being comfortable throwing strikes.”
(courtesy detroittigers.com)
Dombrowski’s an idiot.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 10, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
he walked 5 in less than 2 innings
but what killed me watching that game was that he struck out 2! seriously, the guy cannot find the plate WTF are you doing swinging?
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 10, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Sounds like Rich Hill....
...but we only sent him down to AAA. I’d be a lil peeved if I was Dontrelle and only got the above explanation from Dombrowski.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 10, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd be peeved too
but he needs to go down and completely retool his delivery and get his knee healthy, probably better to do that in A than in AAA…
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 10, 2008 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
If he has to completely change his delivery...
....after so many years in the majors, they’re in big trouble.
I’ve never understand the A ball assignments for rehab. Always thought they’d want them to face tougher competition. Most of the times it’s more about the mechanics and testing an injury I guess.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 10, 2008 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
His delivery is a mess
Hershizer was breaking him down during the game and he’s so inconsistent with his movements that its no surprise he can’t find the plate. Sad though because when he’s on, he’s good.
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 10, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Yikes.
Class A? Wow.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Was just in Detroit
Know what they are sayin about the Tigers? That the roster is “too Latino.” That and it’s old and real bad defensively outside of Curtis Granderson and Placido Polanco. Dave Dombrowski seriously out-thought himself. It will take years to unravel that mess.
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
Renteria...
...what I remember from that game that Lilly got tossed was that Renteria went in hard to 2nd base (maybe the same inning he got hit) without even a small attempt at actually sliding, and the umps did nothing. It was like Renteria was pissed that he got thrown at and yet still wanted “payback” even though our starting pitcher got ridiciously tossed. I hate that guy.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
Not on Extra Innings
For the first time this year (I think), a weeknight game (not including Fridays) is not on extra innings or on ESPN. Tonight’s game is only available on the computer for those of us w/o WGN. It’s terrible.
I thought WGN
was everywhere?
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 10, 2008 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
...you’re starting early tonight, Shanghai. LOL.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 10, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Cubs lineup via ESPN 1000
Soriano
Theriot
Lee
ARam
Soto
Dome
DeRo
Reed Johnson
Lilly – needs to start hitting to fit in with the other starters! ;)
Felix Pie must play everyday!
Would have preferred an extra day off for the struggling Derrek Lee
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
Lee does not share
your pessimism.
So, when they’re winning, you’re going to be posting here, enjoying the win, right, BlueMike?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Come on Drew...
MDBNIU is a Cubs fan…he’s kinda smug and like to push our buttons…but he does genuinely seem to want the Cubs to win. He just has drastically different ideas about what would make them better and win more.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't agree
and if it were true, he’d be here in the winning game threads cheering with us. The only times I’ve ever seen him in a game thread is when something goes wrong.
And really. “kinda” smug? He’s smuggier and a smug made out of high-quality smug composite.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Fair enough...
I understand where you’re coming from.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions
he has a chance to turn it around
any day there’s a game. He can come hang out with us and have fun.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
He's the Simpsons Comic-Book-Guy
"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."
by californiachicagoan on Jun 10, 2008 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I am not sure that will help, he needs to hit his way out of this..
...He plays 155+ a year and historically gets hot in June.
Hopefully Monday did it…
Felix Pie must play everyday!
His bat was awfully slow on the West Coast trip
I would be inclined to give him two full days off to get rejuvenated hopefully. I also would think about flipping him Kosuke in the lineup for a few days.
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
Lee's defense is too valuable to take him out
especially without another legit 1B on the bench. I like Blanco, but behind the dish not on 1B.
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 10, 2008 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
You don't go moving
players like D. Lee & Kosuke around willy-nilly. His bat hasn’t been slow- he hasn’t been seeing the ball well. Night game = white ball. Breakout tonight for D. Lee.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 10, 2008 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
D. Lee
D. Lee will be fine. He always hits well at home. I say this because D. Lee is such a professional hitter that it’s only a matter of time. He just hasn’t been seeing the ball well. I see that changing, likely tonight…
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 10, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
More likely b/c
we are facing a lefty so Dome wouldn’t protect Rami as well as Soto, a righty
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
Glavine is a lefty
And an off-speed throwing lefty. I’m guessing that was the reason for Lou’s decision.
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
was really hoping
Ronny would get another shot after the awfulness of Riot last time…
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 10, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Would like to see DeRo stay #2 for awhile...
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
Can't go wrong with either
Theriot or DeRo in the 2 slot…
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 10, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
Dero did so well there, he could have stayed a little bit longer
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
TWSS
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I got done typing that
and all I could think of was “Dirty Dancing”
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
no kidding
i like a little pop up there… not to mention a little more heady on the basepaths.
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 10, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
last year....
i went to the game last year where Lilly was tossed…. was excited since sori had hit 3 HR’s the night b4. i will agree with Al that the call was completely ridiculous.
Okay I'm off to 4-H.
Why it has to go on during my Cubs time, I dunno, but I promised. Hold down the fort!! GO CUBBIES!!
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 10, 2008 5:21 PM CDT reply actions
4-H
I didn’t know that still was going on. You from Iowa?
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 10, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I think cubbiegirl
...is from Indiana. And, yeah, 4-H is still big in this state.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 10, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
As long as there are County Fairs in the Midwest...
4-H will be around. LOL.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 10, 2008 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Lemon Shake-Ups...?
Mmmmmmmmmm. That and an elephant ear and I’m good.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 10, 2008 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm just excited...
...to hear Len and BB again. Did I read where we’re on ESPN tomorrow night again?
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
ESPN it is.
Just checked their website and it looks like we’ll be unlucky enough to listen to Steve Phillips incoherent ramblings all evening.
by Scrapptastic on Jun 10, 2008 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
is this on EPSN radio?
I got the audio package from MLB with Pat and Ron, Ron is a riot sometimes, they have good stories and Ron always for gets what he is saying, funny guys
you can always hear cubs announcers on the mlb audio package. i’ve had it for years. it’s a really good deal. (this year i got mlb.tv for the first time)
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
the tv package includes the audio feeds too so i can watch the games or listen to pat and ron. i live in denver these day and without the internet i would have serious cubbie withdrawls…
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
i wish the cubs would play more games outside of there division
at least 2 away series in places like DC, Col, ATL, places like that, i only get 3 games a year here in DC
hell yeah!
they only played 2 games in denver this year and they’re already over….
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
i could drive to NY or Philly
but dealing with Philly fans, I heard, are kind of crazy, NY i am not so sure about
we drove down to texas to see em in interleague last year. you are lucky to at least have some options. when i lived in cleveland we would go to pittburgh and cincinati to see games….. you should go to philly. visiting new parks is fun. ... denver is cool but too far from everyplace else as far as baseball goes…
"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella
i might have to try it out
i am trying to make plans for the Yanks and then the Mets in a 2 day span, but they dont play many home games in the same day together
wewt!
and me!
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
OT: Playing for Peanuts
has anyone seen the Playing for Peanuts series on CSN? I caught one episode and have the series set to record on the DVR. It follows the South Georgia Peanuts minor league team in a relatively cinema verite way. First episode wasn’t bad.
I've caught a little of the first episode....
Wally Backman as the manager is pretty interesting, considering he’s pretty much been banished from the major leagues. I think I heard/read somewhere that he actually quits as manager for that team.
I like reality shows and I like baseball, so I’m hoping it turns out good.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 10, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
have they shown
ANYTHING beyond the first two episodes? I really do want to watch it, but I have something like five recordings of each of the first two episodes, and nothing else.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Starting pitcher issue solved
O’s have DFA’d Traschel. Who needs CC, Hardin Maddux etc. when Traschel is available
This has probably already been posted but those of us who have to work during the day
can’t always go through the 1500 posts we miss between 9 and 5.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
I love Trachsel
and will always appreciate his career, but he is so not what the Cubbies need right now. I’d take Maddux ahead of Trachsel.
Um I don't like Traschel actually
I was kidding. There are fans and players everywhere who would cheer the retirement
of ” the human rain delay”.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 10, 2008 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Um....I think I speak for everyone when I say
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
yes it was mentioned...
and yes I did read all 15,000 posts after work. I took a speed reading course in college. My scrolling mouse can barely keep up. I rock. lol j/k ANYWAY, what do you think about AJ Burnett? I keep hearing his name mentioned. CC would be awesome, as would Hardin, but Cleveland won’t negotiate and you know Oakland will want more from our system than Hendry is willing to give….. so that leaves AJ. I’m ok with any of them.
I'm kind of a big deal
by chi-townbleacherbum on Jun 10, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Heyman/SI
Did anyone catch John Heyman’s piece about the Phillies? He describes Utley and Rollins as “two great gamers, gritty grinders”.
I thought we had a monopoly on those?
Yes we do!
that’s copywright infringement or something. I’m calling my brother, he’s an attorney. This will not go unpunished. How dare him use the words “gritty” and “grinders” in the same sentence. Let’s see how Heyman ‘grinds’ out a ‘gritty’ court proceeding. Dirty thieves…. :-)
I'm kind of a big deal
by chi-townbleacherbum on Jun 10, 2008 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry we only hold copyright on "scrappy"
“scrappyness” ” scrappy-do” and 1100 other variations. I think Philadelpia does in fact
have the copyright on “grinders” but preferably ones stuffed with lunch meats. Gritty is in
the public domain.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 10, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
lets the judge decide...
i’m sure the judge won’t mind another frivolous lawsuit based entirely on the communications contained in an online sports blog. If some lady can spill hot coffee in her lap and make a million bucks, i’m sure we can get a couple of free tix or something out of this. lol
I'm kind of a big deal
by chi-townbleacherbum on Jun 10, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Not to get too political
But the “hot coffee” story is one of those boogymen from business to attack what they
claim was frivolous lawsuits. The facts of the face where that the McDonald’s in question
made coffee at a tempature that burned skin despite being REPEATEDLY warned it was
dangerous ( they said people took it out and waited for it to cool) an ederly woman who spilled a cup on her lap spent a week in the hospital with her burns.
You can google many stories re the facts in the case
Here is one http://www.vanfirm.com/mcdonalds-coffee-lawsuit.htm
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 10, 2008 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
She should hire Jackie Chiles.
:)
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
Did I tell you to use the balm?
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Where the hell did you get that damm balm anyway?
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
Good thing he didn't call them "Scrappy".
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
aren't those guys a bit good to be Scrappy?
I thought Scrappy was the converse of Pesky. If a scrappy guy plays against you, you call him Pesky. If a Pesky guy plays for you, you call him Scrappy. Isn’t that how it works? Those two guys are maybe a bit too good to be earmarked as merely Pesky.
Is anyone else watching Peachtree right now
it is just a live shot of wrigley with no commentators here in Nashville on comcast… pretty cool
It's a "throwback game"....
supposedly they’re going to broadcast it like it’s a 1940 broadcast.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Black and White?
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
Throwback game..
is thursday? that should be really cool! Len and Bob are supposed to be in costume….old Boston Brave unis and 40’s Cub unis…
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
Also, its in HD
They are doing the lineup announcements right now. I wish ESPN and Fox would do the whole game like this (no announcers or commercials)
by LT on Jun 10, 2008 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Good umpiring crew.
DeMuth and Eddings are among the best in the business, IMO.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Vinny castilla is responsible for about 20 of those, all by himself.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Um, Ted, fix yourself.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
LMAO
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
twss
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
Here’s the soundtrack to the accompanying MONTAGE! Because for that kinda thing, you’re gonna need a montage. Even Rocky had a montage.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
Earlier Q on why not on EI
“Peachtree” doesn’t offer Braves games up to EI. There’s no Comcast telecast tonight, since the game is on WGN. (and WGN America) Therefore—nothing for EI to use.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 10, 2008 7:10 PM CDT reply actions
Actually....
I live in South Carolina and have EI….
I have the usual WGN feed on WGN and also the Peachtree TV feed on EI.
I”ve had the Peachtree feed on EI (as well as in the regular spot in my satellite sports channels) all season.
by South Carolina Cub on Jun 10, 2008 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
TWSS
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Big K for Ted!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
same here....just dumped him and picked up Bruce..
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
Uh-oh, Ted's got that straight change working now.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Dammit.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
WTF?
Why did he get warned?
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Were you saying that last week
When he shut down the Padres? (Yeah, I know the Cubs lost, but still …)
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 10, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
1st pitch after the homer...
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
Yeah, but still...
That hurts Glavine, though. He really likes to work inside to LH’ers.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Agreed...
I don’t think he was even throwing at him….seemed like a pretty slow pitch..
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
Yeah, just a curve that got away.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
now they've pushed me over the edge..
$%%^#%#%%#!!!!
"My favorite umpire is a dead one."
-Johnny Evers
You've got to be kidding me....
I feel like every time Lilly starts he gives up a HR in the first inning, I’ve almost accepted that it’s a give in at this point.
wow.
I really hope that traffic just kept me from missing the bad stuff. Looks like the top of the first was brutal.
There goes the no-hitter...
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Right after Norton's HR,
Lilly sailed a pitch at the head of the next batter. Eddings came out right away and issued warnings to both benches. If he deems that either team is intentionally throwing inside, the manager and the pitcher are automatically ejected.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Lilly threw too close after the three run homer so both temas got a warning
"My favorite umpire is a dead one."
-Johnny Evers
SOB
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Give it up.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Sounds like a personal problem, then.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
3-0???
WHAT HAPPENED?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
dood.
:(
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
what was the count
on the HR?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
huh.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
well, I can see
you’re going to be bright and cheery today.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Im a realist… and Lilly really stinks…
The cubs need a front line starter
We cant go Z,Dempster & Lilly in the playoffs again
by Reed's Johnson on Jun 10, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Yawn.
BlueMike clone.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Again?
We didn’t go Z, Demp and Lilly last year. So it’s not again.
Another starter could help, I don’t disagree. But it’s June.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
3-run jack..
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
Ted! WTF!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
So only you can say bad things about Lilly
by Reed's Johnson on Jun 10, 2008 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
No, you can, too.
But it’s the juvenile, whiny tone that doesn’t play well….though your username doesn’t exactly exude maturity, so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Im sorry, Gary Varsho is so refined….
So Ted WTF isnt whiny?
by Reed's Johnson on Jun 10, 2008 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh dude.
I’m starting to worry about how many innings we can get out of Lilly tonight…he looks really off.
Maybe he can
get through these two innings and then settle in and go for 6 innings. Hope so any way.
Braves are 2-10 on squeeze plays...
But they’ve attempted 10 SQUEEZE PLAYS!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Nice snag by Theriot!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
The HR is killing Lilly this year...
His WHIP isn’t awful, but that’s 14 HR and we’re barely in June. It’s been a tough year for him so far.
Yep.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Do you know..
his G/F ratio?...curious…
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
65 GB/107 FB. Not good.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Thanks...
thought it might be like that..
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
Since the game sucks
Check out this creepy listing on craig’s list
Jeez I hope Cubs security is guarding the Braves bullpen
sale-715232560@craigslist.org
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
what's going on with the game?
GameDay is frozen listing the bottom of the first.
np, if it keeps freezing let us know we'll keep ya updated here... :)
"My favorite umpire is a dead one."
-Johnny Evers
Use the ESPN Scoreboard
It is working.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 10, 2008 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
They'll step it up.
We’ll get a rally going and get to Glavine. It’s still really early. I have faith. We get it done at home.
be nice to strike them early.... like this half of the inning.. :)
"My favorite umpire is a dead one."
-Johnny Evers
High strike not in play tonight...
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Nicely done, Ted!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
good K
maybe he’s settling down.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
4
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
four, I think
two in the first, two in the second.
I’ll be glad if he keeps the Braves to the three they have, and goes 6. 7 would be fantastic.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
wow nice job lilly
maybe we can start something
What's worse?
Watching Ted in the first when he’s not on his game or watching the “Farmer Wants A Wife” commercial on WGN. Hmmmm…
Wait a minute... who am I here?
Agreed.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
The farmer...
doesn’t have much to choose from IMO…
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
Check these out
CHICAGO CUBS Inspired Wedding Garter Set. Hill-eyre-ious!
Did he just say funky butt-loving?
Ha...
Sexaaaaay!
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
Rammy with a walk.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
nice hit for SOTO!!!
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
Wow, that's a really long single.
Nice knock for Derosa
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
*Soto
agh.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Hey group--
Just got in, and things look ugly alrady…
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
Not a strike, Doug.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
DOME!!!!!!!!!!!!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Dome comes through!
take THAT, ump!
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
Lilly is makin' me sick!!!
sarcasm
does Lilly have any minor league options left… maybe we should option him down like the Tigers did with Willis today, if he does!!!!
sarcasm
Seriously though he needs to get his act together or we should get someone else in here to take his place in the rotation….. as much as I like Lieber I think he serves us better out of the ‘pen and we need to find another starter who is capable of being an above average starter.
Yup...
Glavine is going to work predominantly on the outside corner. It’s best to go the other way with him.
Yep.
Brenly said he spent most of his BP practicing that.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
so Gary I hear you're having trouble
with your TPS reports…
""At the end of the day, boys, you don't tell me how rough the water is, you bring in the ship." -- Steve Stone
LOL
Love the Tim the Sorcerer avatar, btw.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
ty
time to lob the Holy Hand Grenade into the midst of the Braves!
""At the end of the day, boys, you don't tell me how rough the water is, you bring in the ship." -- Steve Stone
That it may blow mine enemies to tiny bits,
in thy mercy
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
right
you guys have wider outside zone than Japanese one….
I'm bleeding Dragons Blue.
by dragonsfanatic on Jun 10, 2008 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Fook yeah!
Beyond ThunderDome!!
""At the end of the day, boys, you don't tell me how rough the water is, you bring in the ship." -- Steve Stone
DEROSA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nice knock, Mark!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
nice! DeRO!
maybe they should have sent Geo, tho…
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
Derosa massacred that pitch.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
DERO!
Nice. Let’s keep the rally going. I’d almost prefer a double here to a home run. Keep runners on and just light up glavine.
Way to get 'em Reed!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Pretty slow for me, too.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Glavine is a hard pitcher to bunt off of...
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
nice.
good sac fly for Reed.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
Good bunt by Ted
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
OMG!
we execute a sac bunt with runners on 1st and 2nd successfully? is someone recording this?
I think NFL Films is
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
ill take a walk on soriano
to get to theriot… less chance of a strikeout, a good base hit hitter coming up
"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano
by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jun 10, 2008 7:46 PM CDT reply actions
walking Soriano
if Riot sprays one of his patented into-right-field singles, they’re really going to regret that.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
Make 'em pay, Ryan!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
That call was ridiculous.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
The most under appreciated player on the cubs
when he deserves credit he doesnt get it, when he screws up, Cubs nation is all about insulting out man… LETS DO IT RIOT!
"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano
by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jun 10, 2008 7:47 PM CDT reply actions
Full count!!!!!!!!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
DAMN
"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano
by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jun 10, 2008 7:48 PM CDT reply actions
Damn. Great inning for the lads, though!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
yep. comebacks = character. Methusaleh Glavine 47 pitches
""At the end of the day, boys, you don't tell me how rough the water is, you bring in the ship." -- Steve Stone
Basically.
His one home run so far this year was pushed 30 feet by the wind, according to HitTracker.
these low called strikes...
wow.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
Yeah, this zone is weird.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
One thing I want to point out...
...is that the camera angle isn’t fully squared up with the plate – it’s like looking at the speedometer from the passenger seat instead of the driver’s seat. There’s an optical illusion involved when you’re trying to call balls and strikes off the TV – a very subtle one, I should add.
Yeah, but it's pretty
easy to see the catcher’s mitt touch the ground…..
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
I understand that
but those low strikes are being called around the shins.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
OK, give the ump some credit
He’s calling the same BULLS**T strikes for both pitchers.
Wait a minute... who am I here?
K number five!
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
K number SIX!
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
I think we need an early overflow thread
this is getting crazy…. Do we have a lot of large files in this thread?
8:15 is when it comes up.
we can handle it.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
8:15 ....
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
GOOD INNING!
nice going, Uncle Ted!
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
if he keeps this up
he’ll have 14 more Ks! that would be a 20K game!
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
The dude on that airplane in the commercial?
Reminds me of trying to watch a game at Wrigley. (meant in the nicest possible way) :)
Wait a minute... who am I here?
That HR was killer,
But Lilly has been okay tonight, he’s getting K’s, he stopped them cold with a lead off triple. The score doesn’t reflect how he’s actually done.
agreed
if he can come out and shut them down in this inning, I’m going to call it a good come-back for him.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
DLEE!!!!!
3-3!!!!!!
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
DEEEEEEEEEEE LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CRUSHED
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
SHWING!
man, would be great if he is “back”. YES!!!
""At the end of the day, boys, you don't tell me how rough the water is, you bring in the ship." -- Steve Stone
Ok.
I will go ahead and take this moment to remind you all that BlueMike wanted Lee to have this game off.
I was thinking the same thing when Lee hit it....:)
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
So he says...
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
I hope Lou reads this blog
so he knows quite clearly what NOT to do.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
we'll see
but I’m glad he hit it.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Old Man Glavine sez:
“You Cubs get off my lawn!!”
""At the end of the day, boys, you don't tell me how rough the water is, you bring in the ship." -- Steve Stone
cmon!
I don’t care how good this guy is, the strike zone is NOT THAT BIG.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
indeed
he’s having a career year.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I was hoping Lou would keep him in the 2 hole for awhile...
I think he was lobbying for it too….saying after the Sunday game how nice it was to see all those fastballs….
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
DeRo must be thinking
“I go 3 for 5 last game and get dropped 5 places in the order?”
""At the end of the day, boys, you don't tell me how rough the water is, you bring in the ship." -- Steve Stone
looks like
the patience is back.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
YES!
bloop for Reed, Cubs LEAD, 4-3!
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
Reed!!!!!!!!!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
I'd love to see more of those strikeouts of his, personally.
In addition to holding them, of course.
two per inning
will do nicely.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I've wondered that for some time now....
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
It's what guys' beer has...
whose cars have superior driveability and whose torque wrenches have superior torqueability
""At the end of the day, boys, you don't tell me how rough the water is, you bring in the ship." -- Steve Stone
And if you keep Viagra in your locker...
like Roger Clemens did then you have xxxxxxability?
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
Black, plain, no red in the numbers...
.....I think they’re awful. Allmost as bad as Oakland’s all black get up.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 10, 2008 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions
He's wilting under the pressure of Reed's mounting lead in the SLG race...
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
NICE catch
Soriano!
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
shocked!
SHOCKED I AM…
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Look at Glavine
He got an extra foot on the outside corner and got greedy….he’s just pounding it against lefties now
------ TheRiot Squad ------
by RightFieldSucks on Jun 10, 2008 8:10 PM CDT reply actions
lol
I remember Larry Bowa telling Lucy that the team could live off his thigns for years…
""At the end of the day, boys, you don't tell me how rough the water is, you bring in the ship." -- Steve Stone
Reed with a nice snag!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
it's the billy-goat
goatee, it’s dreamy…
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
that was pretty cool.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
REED MOTHA FUGGIN JOHNSON
he’s good at playing centerfield
If I had iPhone 2.0 and the new MLB thingy...
...I could instantly watch that catch over and over on my iPhone.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
You know...
we’re pretty solid defensively in Center field.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
I thought I missed Pie...
...and I still do (a bit), but apparently he’s not doin so hot in the minors… :(
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
He's the best defensive player in the organization currently.
It would help a lot if he would start showing the team something with the bat as well.
"wildly overrated"?
...do tell.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 10, 2008 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
And yet...
our best defensive CF is in the minors…
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
wow.
Glavin is out. I’m gonna miss the big lug…
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
Buh-bye, Tommy.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
course, this guy
I kinda like him too…
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
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