Murton/Patterson
by cubs on Jun 10, 2008 2:08 PM CDT
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Right now we have two guys in Iowa tearing it up; Matt Murton and Eric Patterson. But with no place on the major league club to play these two are worth trading while they still have value. Both of these players have extremely high values right now as they are 25 and 26 respectively. However, if we continue to hold onto them, there value will drop lower and lower as not many teams want a 28 year old minor leaguer. Matt Murton has proven he can hit. He hit almost .300 in a full major league season and is hitting .337 at Iowa in 2008. In 163 Ab's he has a ridiculous BB:K ratio of close to 3:1. If, as rumors have said, the Cubs are interested in obtaining a strong starting pitcher, these two players could certainly help a deal go through. Package Eric Patterson, Matt Murton, Donald Veal, and one other player and you have a deal many teams would have trouble passing up. Murton for sure and more than likely Patterson are ready to help out a major league team in 2008 and should be given a chance to perform in the major leagues if not with the cubs then with another club.
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Neither has any significant value right now...
While both might help another ballcub, the chances of either being dealt in a stand-alone deal is minute. Murton lost whatever value he had left when he was sent to AAA. Maybe a showcase in inter-league would help, but Hendry actually expecting good prospects in return for him won’t. Can’t run. Can’t slug. Maybe I could package him with someone at the deadline; he could fill out a bench, but that’s the best you can hope for. And I say this as someone who’s a big Murton fan.
Patterson is Mike Fontenot, with better upside. Seriously. I can’t imagine any GM working the phones for these guys. I’ve said before, I thought one or both should be in San Diego, Seattle, K.C., San Francisco, or Cleveland; they’d be good role players there. But the long and short is good teams for the most part don’t need them, and not-so-good teams won’t give up prospects for marginal upgrades.
Oh, and being on the wrong side of 25 in AAA is not a good thing.
by Damen Jackson on Jun 10, 2008 2:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't be suprised
to see these two along with players like Colvin and Veal in a possible deal with the Indians for C.C. if they continue to fall out of contention
I think my favorite uncle was Uncle Caveman. We called him that because he lived in a cave and would eat one of us. We then realized he was a bear.
by deepthoughtsbyjackhandey on Jun 10, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're nuttier than squirrel excrement if you think....
...CC Sabathia can be acquired for Matt “No Tool” Murton, Eric “Poor Man’s Willie Harris” Patterson, Donald “Marginal Prospect” Veal and Tyler “Mr. 235 BA” Colvin.
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 10, 2008 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget to add:
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Murton is a career .450 slugger in the majors
Chris Young, Matt Kemp, and Justin Upton are sluging about that this year. That’s not peanuts.
Being in AAA may hurt his value with fans because they dont follow the minors, but major league ball clubs do. He is only in the minors due to Soriano/Fukudome and DeRosa ability to super sub (and they are all RH bats), not because he cant hit. We would definitely find takers for him. His career OPS is better than half the starting left fielders in the NL right now.
"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."
by californiachicagoan on Jun 10, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a joke, right?
every player that you’ve mentioned is not only years younger than Murton, not only has SIGNIFICANTLY better future projections that Matt, but can field their positions quite well. It’s not just about the hitting; if it was, he’d be on a ML ballclub.
Again, if you’re a GM, you’re not trading your prospects for a guy who is going to give you a .800 OPS and can’t field his position well. Pick him up off the wire, yes. Sign as a cheap FA, sure. But give up good prospects? Not going to happen.
by Damen Jackson on Jun 10, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not kidding at all.
Post said Murton didnt have any power, and I disagree.
"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."
by californiachicagoan on Jun 10, 2008 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you looked at his numbers recently?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2008 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Murt.
But he just doesn’t have the power to be a starting corner outfielder. He has 55 hits in AAA this year and only one is a home run. His slugging percentage is barely cracking .400. That’s Rey Sanchez territory, and you can’t waste a corner outfield spot on somebody like him. I think his trade value is pretty low.
by HereComesASpecialBoy on Jun 10, 2008 2:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep, this is pretty much I feel...
...and it’s sad. I’ve always liked Murton and wanted to see him succeed. But he’s given no indication that he’s developing any kind of significant power stroke. Couple that with the fact that he’s not very fast on the basepaths and not a particularly good defender, and you’re left with a guy who can hit for average and give you a great OBP (it’s .424 in Triple A right now), but not much else.
Again, if he had speed, he could probably be a decent option at leadoff or in the two-hole. As it stands, some team is probably going to have to take a chance on him as a throw-in or pickup off the wire or snag as a free agent. I’d also point out that, if he is traded to San Diego, his power numbers will be only further inhibited by spacious Petco Park. Like I said, it’s sad.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the Two will get dealt
Even though this year is all or nothing, I think Cedano would get traded over Eric Patterson. Also, I cant see the Cubs parting ways with both of them, either one or the other. Either way, we are going to have to say goodbye to a lot of our favorite minor leaguers.
by PieFan08 on Jun 10, 2008 2:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I want more
I think there’s enough interesting individuals in Iowa and Chicago to possibly get that starter we need AND try to wrap-up Roberts from Baltimore. Hill, Marshall, Murton, Patterson in Iowa. If Roberts were to be aquired, Fontenot or Cedeno could be moved. If D Lee, Soriano, and Fukudome are locked in, Hoffpauir has to be intersting to someone. I know this sounds like selling the future for now, but isn’t that how this team is built?How about winning this year and worrying about repeating after hoisting the trophy for the first time in 100 years.
by Hagen on Jun 10, 2008 2:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We can't give away everything!!
No need for Roberts anymore, we have the best record in baseball without him, and if we wouldve gotten him, we may not be where we are. I think a deal for a great SP is more reasonable.
by PieFan08 on Jun 10, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha Rich Nerd...
Ranch Hired
Harder Chin
Harder Inch
Hand Richer
Car Hind Her
Rad Rich Hen
Ran Chid Her
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harder Inch
isn’t that a NIN song?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CC
C.C. would be a rental. He wants to get back to the west coast. I coached against him when he was in high school. He is a hell of a hitter. He belongs in the NL.
by Hagen on Jun 10, 2008 2:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I live in the Cleveland area
CC wants to go to a NL team so he can hit. Seriously. Dude’s a good hitter.
I've told you a million times never to exaggerate!!
by pscrblazer on Jun 10, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
coached against him?
He must have been one of the biggest HS pitchers ever.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Jun 10, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if he's a rental, it's worth it.
Z, Sabathia, Lilly, Dempster would be a hell of a lot more formidable in the playoffs than Z, Lilly, Dempster, [insert mediocre in-house option]
Plus, in the case of him leaving we’d get comp picks
by ohboy on Jun 10, 2008 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
this is the year to give up the farm (with in reason of course)... even if it’s a 1 year rental.
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by digitalbenjamin on Jun 10, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Murton might be a throw-in...
... in a larger deal. The Padres could use him. Maybe Murton and a prospect or two for Wolf?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 10, 2008 3:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Padres
could use ANYBODY right now.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Jun 10, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh and please
Wolf = No thanks.
We have in house options that are better IMO
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Jun 10, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Wolf has a history of falling apart, quite literally, as the season progresses.
CC is really the only main option to consider. If you look at the type of package the A’s got for Haren we could probably give something similar (since CC’s contract situation is less attractive), but it would likely deplete our entire farm system.
It would likely be something like Pie, Ceda, Veal, Marshall, Donaldson, Colvin or something like that
by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 10, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the end results means 11 wins in October
They can have Piniella, Ramirez and Marmol as well after the parade. Ok, not Marmol.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Jun 10, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Piniella on His Podcast...
..mentioned that sometime this week in the ATL series he will go back to 12 pitchers. That said, he mentioned that Ward may be back (although admittedly “very iffy”), Hoffpauir, or Murton.
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Jun 10, 2008 3:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My guess is Hoffpauir.
As soon as his mandatory 10 days in AAA is up.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 10, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This just into the WGN Sports Desk !!!!
Matt Murton STILL sucks and STILL is a career minor leaguer type with little versatility. There is no team in baseball with interest in Murton. Not unless they have crushing need for a Triple A left fielder or have a couple used infield rakes they are dying to move. Details as they become available. We now take you back to our regularly scheduled program.
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 10, 2008 3:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is the best thing you have ever done.
I bow in admiration.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 10, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SWL, this is fantastic.
I agree with Al. This goes into the Hall of Fame. A (watermarked) tip of the cap:
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jun 10, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO. Let me be the first to congratulate you.
Been working on that all day?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Make that second.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah...
that was a 10 minute quickie…ahem.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Oscar the Grouch is a nice touch.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome
I love this. You da man.
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 10, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dare you to make it your avatar.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I double dare you.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2008 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Show me how and it's done
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 10, 2008 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what ???
Every label on that speak and say is right on the money. I’m proud of my baseball acumen and deadly accuracy on these subjects. I would be PROUD to have this be my avatar. Al, please make it happen. Thanks.
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 10, 2008 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m proud of my baseball acumen and deadly accuracy on these subjects.
The only thing deadly about them is that someone might die laughing while reading them.
by Wreckard on Jun 10, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deadly accuracy?
I swear, for someone who’s not Technohawk, you sure sound a lot like him…
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well BM
you’re taking people making shit of you pretty well.
by sue369 on Jun 10, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Sue
Goober says ey.
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 10, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sue...he's more Floyd than Otis...
Otis actually knew when he was inebriated.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Sue
I’m going to be trekking out to Madison County to visit friends who have opened up a vinyard and winery. Want we should stop on by? How’s the corn crop lookin? Hope the combine doesn’t get hung up in all this mud. Take care.
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 10, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's so telling you only do this stuff to a woman.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's pretty damn creepy, too.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2008 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry to disappoint
you BM but I don’t live on a farm. I do own a couple but have never lived on one.
by sue369 on Jun 10, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you prejudice against farms?
Farms are actually wonderful places. Farmers are the backbone of our nation too, at least the mom and pop variety and not those big bad corporate farming interests who would just as soon dump pig shit into every waterway there is in Iowa.
We’ll be breezing through Urbandale and Perry before heading to Madison County. On the way back it’s detour to Iowa City to visit my wife’s neice at the University of Iowa (summer school) before trekking to Cedar Rapids so my daughter can hook up with club soccer teammate who recently relocated.
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 10, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have nothing
against farms. My husband grew up on a farm and we have invested some of our money in farm land. You are wrong on the corporate farms too. It’s against the law to dump pig shit into every waterway. There are very strict manure managemnet laws. There are accidents but they are few and far between.
by sue369 on Jun 10, 2008 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously,
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I’ve know Santoswooodenlegs and his work, and you sir are no Santoswoodenlegs.
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 10, 2008 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nor am I trying to be.
Once again, you fail to make a salient point.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
iz whut yr smokin
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you tell her
Mr. Smithers.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're looking for a serious answer...
...just save SWL’s picture to your hard drive (right click, “Save as…”) and then upload it as your avatar—just as you apparently did for the avatar you have now.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Done
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 10, 2008 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was on my bucket list...
I’m one step closer to dying happy.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, glad I could help...
...further humiliate you?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know.
Should BCB really be responsible for enabling BlueMike to continue his delusions? I mean, shouldn’t we work to get him better, not worse?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ALL HAIL
the BlueMike Speaking Machine! No brain, just a circuit board.
ROKKIN, my friend. I think I want THIS on a TSHIRT.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow!!!
I could kiss you for making that. Hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by sue369 on Jun 10, 2008 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pucker up!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG
Oscar the grouch…. perfect!
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on Jun 10, 2008 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow,
I am (almost) speechless!
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
by eswan9 on Jun 10, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS
I haz show: http://hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Jun 10, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a perfect analogy
That’s exactly the level of discourse he brings to the table.
An almost autistic need to constantly repeat the same shallow 2-sentence talking points using the same words, combined with the fact that when challenged he just says the same thing again, with no new information, like pulling the string.
by Wreckard on Jun 10, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yet ALL points are right on the money
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 10, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
UM...
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you could back up any one of your opinions
...with anything other than more opinions, I would give you the benefit of the doubt of at least arguing from a position I disagree with but can respect.
But you don’t. You spit out random talking points with self-imposed authority and no basis in reality. Any time you’re challenged with actual facts you just move on to another thread to start pulling the string some more.
by Wreckard on Jun 10, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...pull the string more!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Random?
Last time I checked Felix Pie was back toiling at Triple A. He’s joined by Matt Murton in Des Moines. Oh, and Rich Hill who is fresh off a 7 walk performance. How many strikeouts does Alfonso Soriano have and how many pitches in the dirt did he swing at the last week? Rich Harden, well he would certainly help a pitching staff that is less from certain after Carlos Zambrano on a team with serious World Series aspirations.
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 10, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once again,
You’re affirming the consequent. You’re conclusions do not follow from your premises in a logically sound manner.
Rich HArden has a 2:1 FB:GB ratio. That’s not good for Wrigley Filed in the summer. Rich Harden’s ERA is a full run worse on the road. Oh, and Rich HArden hasn’t thrown more the 50 innings in 3 years.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh...
You see what I mean Santoswoodenlegs? The cheesy imitators cheapen your magnificent art work and comedy act.
Oh well. I guess what they say is true. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, even if it comes at the hands of a dumpy transplant from New York and another guy who wears his underpants on his head.
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 10, 2008 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your patronizing is pathetic.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whether your opinions are right or wrong is irrelevant
Honestly, that’s the point that you miss the most. An opinion without any backing is just a guess. And I would be careful trumpeting your accuracy too much, unless you want me to start pulling out old quotes of yours again. Half the things you’re patting yourself on the back here for you’ve contradicted previously.
I think my favorite autistic tick of all of yours though is your constant bemoaning of, as you put it, “SamME” and his ego and selfishness. I find it ironic coming from you, a poster who is all too willing to make every discussion be about himself. That’s the reason you keep spitting out the same lines all the time – it has nothing to do with you wanting to be right on the internet and everything to do with you trying to shift the discussion back to yourself. You’re baiting the site because you love to be the center of attention here.
The only problem is that too many here are perfectly willing to cooperate with you on that, and match your baiting with baiting of their own. It’s fun, I guess, because it’s just so easy to feel superior when arguing with you. But it’s ultimately a shallow victory, like entering the Special Olympics in disguise.
by Wreckard on Jun 10, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree as well.
One of these days, those of us who do choose to respond to MDBNIU might need to form a support group and break the habit for good.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 11, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1000
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LSA
I haz show: http://hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Jun 10, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will add my comment to the long list
of people saying this is the greatest creation ever.
"Dad gum right this games gonna be played under protest. . . I guarantee this is gonna be one protest that's upheld." --Hawk Harrelson, 6/24/07
by RynoHoF on Jun 10, 2008 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is just not fair
I am so backward I can’t even post a photo let alone to AMAZING graphics like this.
Heck I can barely READ the posts on my slow computer.
Ok next up can you make it interactive so we can spin it ?
Really GREAT stuff
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 10, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh My God.
Frame it. That is your Mona Lisa.
"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."
by californiachicagoan on Jun 10, 2008 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never mind.
Why frame it when you can actually get the guy to wear it, voluntarily? Wow.
"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."
by californiachicagoan on Jun 10, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW
You have outdone yourself SWL!
How does that make you feel?
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 10, 2008 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Murton Can Be Good Reserve
Okay, Murton will never be an All-Star, but he won’t be a career minor leaguer type. Murton has enough ability to be a 4th or 5th outfielder at the MLB level. He can hit for a nice average with some power. I think he will stick somewhere in the big leagues. Of course, he can’t be the primary guy in a trade to get a front line starter. The guy might be able to fetch an above average middle reliever.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Jun 10, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
trade
trade them for a good starting pitcher. Micah Hoffpauir is and will be always better than Matt Murton. Eric Patterson is a good Triple-A player, not a good major league player. Get them up while they are hot.
by lexmarklover on Jun 10, 2008 3:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Deal for CC
It would likely be something like Pie, Ceda, Veal, Marshall, Donaldson, Colvin or something like that
That sort of deal seems a little bit unfair if you consider it would be for a one year player unless the cubs could sign CC long term which would take a deal worth over 100 million. That right there is our entire farm system and im not sure if it is worth it especially considering that Sabathia is not even performing well right now. In the National League with a strong Cub offense I think he would put up good numbers, but giving away our entire system is not worth it unless the Cubs are sure they could sign him. As for Cedeno, it seems doubtful that the Cubs would use him as trade bait anymore, as they see him as a valuable role player who can sub for any of the infield positions. On the other hand, his average has dropped significantly since his hot start.
by cubs on Jun 10, 2008 3:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Heavens to mergatroid
Yet another Cub fan who thinks you can acquire superior quality (e.g., CC Sabathia) in exchange for mass quanties of Cub farm product rubbage. Matt Murton is not a major leaguer. Felix Pie can’t hit major league pitching. Donald Veal and Jose Ceda are middling prospects at best. Sean Marshall is the Matt Murton of pitchers. Josh Donaldson is talented but not a catcher. Tyler Colvin is hitting .235 and looks like the second coming of Jacque Jones at best.
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 10, 2008 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, so who are you suggesting the Cubs trade for Rich Harden?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why
he wants to Bet the Farm, of course…
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know
It would be nice if Josh Vitters was eligible to be traded, but I’m sure he is not given his relative fresh draft and signing date. Oakland is loaded with great young pitching prospects, so???
How about this….Ronny Cedeno, Tyler Colvin and Billy Beane’s pick of ANY two other prospects in the system?
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 10, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you've insulted Cedeno repeatedly...
...and now you’re calling Colvin the second coming of Jacque Jones. Why would Beane want them?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2008 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If these players are as bad as you say they are,
then how are the Cubs supposed to get Harden in return for them? As you said yourself, repeatedly, in this thread, you have to pay for talent.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That offer seems awfully high
Cedeno and Colvin alone would probably be enough. Harden’s value is awfully low right now – he’s too big of a gamble.
by Wreckard on Jun 10, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harden's value is actually sky high
At least in the mind of the guy who counts most, that being Billy Beane. As much as Harden would cost it’s still less than what C.C. Sabathia will cost.
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 10, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But...
you’ve said ad nausium that our minor league prospects are either busts, career minor leaguers, or roster filler.
Give one valid reason Beane would take ANY of those players in a deal for Harden. Just one. Please. With sugar on top.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Psss....
Don’t look now but you have a shadow and crappy imitator of your art form.
Back to your question…..I dont’ think ALL Cub prospects are crap. Far from it. Case in point would by Tony Thomas and Josh Donaldson. Trouble is Donaldson isn’t very good behind the plate. But maybe a deal to include Cedeno, Thomas and Donaldson (plus others) gets Billy’s attention in Oakland?
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 10, 2008 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So,
you don’t think he’s crap, but you also think he’s no good at the plate? You are a bundle of contradictions.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Imitation...
is the sincerest form of flattery…plus, gary and drew aren’t imitating me. If they try and post pictures more obscure than this….
then I’ll start to get concerned.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well....
Don’t you go getting all modest on us! Your the Picasso and Shecky Green of this board all wrapped up into one !! Give yourself a hand. You DESERVE it my friend.
Ba bum, tssss.
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 10, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just want to know
if Chewbacca gets assist credit for winning the race.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harden's value is low, due to his huge injury risk
and unfavorable home/road splits (his ERA is a full run worse away from Oakland), but his asking price is high. Don’t conflate the two.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that's the case
...then Beane is crazy and we would be stupid to trade for Harden.
Billy Beane is not crazy though, and likely has a realistic view of Harden’s value, which is entirely a function of his injury risk.
I’m actually all for acquiring Harden, but if the price is as high as you’re suggesting it’s not worth the risk.
by Wreckard on Jun 10, 2008 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Felix Pie
Felix Pie is considered by every major league organization to be one of the top prospects. So do I think the Cubs could get a good amount in return for Pie and other prospects, yes. He has considerable trade value and that is not the opinion of a cubs fan but a fact for anyone around the game of baseball.
by cubs on Jun 10, 2008 4:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You'll find that MDBNIU is not at all concerned
with actual facts. He prefers bilious, mostly incorrect and ridiculously broad assertions. When you hit him up with facts, he calls you name, distorts your argument and you go on his MDBNIU Officially Ignored Poster List.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Felix Pie would be an afterthought in a minor league organization like the Red Sox have. Pie is incapable of hitting major league pitching. That’s kinda sorta a BIG problem, dont’ you think.
Felix Pie….yet another Cub farm product that was ridiculously overrated from the get-go and is destined to be a bust.
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 10, 2008 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It could be worse !!!
Living here in Connecticut, I just laugh when WFAN blast the FARN’s and Hawkins on a daily basis.
Murton would fit in nicely in KC, Patterson in Cinn. any pitcher in SD
Who could we get, beside a minor leaguer
I bleed double blue Cubbies & NY Rangers
by parrotinct on Jun 10, 2008 4:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
SWL
his pictures are great but why are so many copying him and posting pictures about everything. lets please leave the picture posting to him.
Dear SBnation, We need our own server here at BCB seeing how its became very slow due to enormous amounts of traffic. P.S. Impeach Bud Selig!!!
by cubsluver22 on Jun 10, 2008 5:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Posting a picture is copying me?
Does that mean Josh is copying Al when he posts the Minor League Recaps?
Come on…everyone has the right to post words, pictures, or whatever. Of course…my pics are typically a little on the odd side…
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
RAWR!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2008 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 11, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trust me when I say
that posting humorous pics in blog threads is not unique to this blog, nor to SWL. He just takes it to the next level.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 10, 2008 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure on Patterson...
...but Murton’s value is not as high as many would think.
Murton just does not excite people as a corner OF, which is the only position he can play. If he had decent value, he would have been traded by this point in time.
Patterson appears to be hitting well and probably has more value than Murton because his upside is higher and he has speed. Both of these guys are certainly candidates to be traded at the deadline, but I see Murton as more of a throw in, as opposed to someone another team would covet.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Jun 10, 2008 6:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
One of them can DH
Or have Soriano DH and play Murton in right.
"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jun 10, 2008 8:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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