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Suddenly Summer: Cubs 10, Braves 5

After enduring a spring that Mike described to me last night as "First cold rain, then hot rain", the sun came out, puffy clouds dotted the sky, a healthy breeze wafted warm air over Chicago and Wrigley Field yesterday, and the Cubs just kept on rolling with a 10-5 win over the Braves, their ninth consecutive home victory dating back to May 18.

The Cubs got solid pitching, timely hitting and outstanding defense. Really, what more can any of us ask for?

It didn't start that way. Ted Lilly had a shaky first inning, walking Yunel Escobar to lead off the game. After a single and two strikeouts, Lilly gave up a three-run homer.

To Greg Norton. Who has been around so long that one of his teammates in his first September callup was Harold Baines. Who was hitting .176 at the time. Uh-oh. This didn't feel very good. But you know what? After Lilly gave up a triple to Omar Infante, the guy who was a Cub for about five minutes last winter, in the second inning, he retired the next 11 Braves in a row and left to a standing ovation in the 7th, after the Cubs had hacked away at Tom Glavine and taken a lead (we wondered why Glavine was yanked after three innings; turns out he's got elbow trouble, which, combined with the loss of John Smoltz, may end any Atlanta playoff hopes). Lilly wound up allowing only four hits, walked three and struck out eight, and lowered his ERA to where you can almost see it (5.13).

A lot of this was thanks to excellent defense -- Lilly ought to buy Reed Johnson drinks or dinner or both after Johnson made several good-to-spectacular catches of balls Braves hitters launched into deep center field (he might have caught Infante's triple, too, had the entire OF not been playing so shallow). Aramis Ramirez made a couple of slick fielding plays, too, including on the DP grounder that, at last, ended the game.

When Lilly got into trouble, Carlos Marmol came in and ended the threat in three pitches, getting Escobar to line right at Ryan Theriot -- and that worried us in the LF corner, because we figured Lou was going to leave Marmol out for another thirty-pitch, inning-plus appearance. It was a pleasant surprise, then, to see Bob Howry trot out for the 8th. Pleasant, that is, until Howry gave up hard line drive after hard line drive, and Scott Eyre had to be summoned with the score 6-5. Eyre's strikeout of Gregor Blanco with the tying run on 2nd was the biggest out of the game.

Geovany Soto then put the game out of reach with a three-run HR into the LF basket to make the score 10-5 after the Cubs had run themselves into a couple of runs with steals off Brian McCann and a D-Lee sac fly (nice to see Lee perhaps coming out of his slump with a long HR and the RBI sac fly). This got Kerry Wood to sit down and Jon Lieber up -- and Lieber was a bit shaky, allowing two baserunners and getting Wood up again just in case, which was when Ramirez started the nicely-done DP.

Last night BCB reader Damen Jackson sat with us, snapping photos for his own website, which I'm going to link on the right sidebar later today, and he also snapped this shot at my request of the upper deck side scoreboard, one for you numerologists:

Maybe you could win the lottery with these!
Click on photo to open a larger version in a new browser window. Photo by Damen Jackson

And that's the kind of fun you can have when you are 17 games over .500 (the last time the Cubs were more than 17 games over was in 2004), and winning games seemingly at will. Ted Lilly perhaps expresses it best:

"You just feel like you’re never out of it. We’re tough and we’ve had a lot of come-from-behind wins this year," Lilly said.

Yes, indeed. If you like, you can also credit my son Mark, who is now out of school and joined us last night. He has yet to see the Cubs lose this season -- 7-0. He'll be back in the bleachers during the White Sox series. I also met BCB reader buckmulligan last night -- thanks for stopping by -- and wanted to let you know that Wrigley Field concessionaires have responded to the tomato/salmonella health scare by removing all tomato pieces from the condiment stands (they were also gone from Murphy's, where I stopped to get a cheeseburger before the game).

Finally, some photos from David from last night:

Reed!
One of Reed Johnson's fine defensive plays, this one on Brian McCann's drive in the 7th

Safe!
Kosuke Fukudome steals 2nd in the 7th

Bunny hop!
Alfonso Soriano catches Mark Teixeira's fly ball in the 8th

Geo!
Geovany Soto's HR swing in the 8th

Another win!
Cubs outfielders celebrating the win

W
W flags in the LF bleachers

Click on photos to open a larger version in a new browser window. Photos by David Sameshima

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Great game and great photos. Keep it up Cubbies!!

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on Jun 11, 2008 8:34 AM CDT   0 recs

It is really looking like

a platoon of Reed and Edmonds will work this year (provided of course that Edmonds continues playing the way he has recently). Reed just continues to make great plays in center and is a joy to watch (even though it looked a little like he over ran the first catch he made, but then made a great adjustment to actually catch the ball).

DLee made good contact with every ball he hit today, which is a good sign. He seemed to be trying to hit every ball to right field last night, and I don’t know if that was an attempt by him to get out of the slump, or what, but it is good to see him making better contact again.

Soriano looks like he is running well again, and I enjoyed seeing the Cubs aggressive on the base paths. These guys are just fun to watch.

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on Jun 11, 2008 8:45 AM CDT to parent up   1 recs

Couple of Observations

1. Soriano finally looks healthy. Seemed like he was running good on the base paths and in the outfield… Even though he got picked off in the first, he was aggressive when he got on base. He and Dome literally stole 2 runs last night. Great to see them manufacture runs like that!

2. Lee looked a little more comfortable at the plate last night. Got the homer but his other outs were hit pretty hard and he was going to the opposite field. From watching Lee the past few years this is a good sign.

3. Rami and RJ made some phenomenal plays. The Defense was impressive. There were a couple of breakdowns with Riot and Soriano but overall, good effort.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Jun 11, 2008 8:41 AM CDT   0 recs

Agreed.

Soriano’s speed has not been showcased so far this year, but he did move well around the bags last night. To me, this is yet another indication that there is more upside in his offense yet to come.

Theriot needs to think before he acts. He never had a shot a doubling-up the running, and chucking the ball on one hop into the Bravos dugout was really a brainless move. Fortunately there have been very few of these types of gaffes, further contributing to the team’s success.

Great weather and a great win last night.

"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns

by tville on Jun 11, 2008 8:46 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The best thing I can say about this team...

is that when they were down early I didn’t worry at all. The thought that ran through my head wasn’t “Are we going to be able to come back?”, it was “Who’s going to do it tonight?”

There is a confidence at Wrigley Field these days. It feels good.

---AC 00 00 00 - Believe

by mjk83 on Jun 11, 2008 8:43 AM CDT   0 recs

LSA

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 11, 2008 8:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Help me out

What does LSA mean?

by Archie on Jun 11, 2008 9:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Loud, Sustained Applause.

See the “BCB Dictionary” on the right sidebar for more.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 11, 2008 9:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ahhh

Thanks. I’m still really a chat virgin.

by Archie on Jun 11, 2008 9:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

TWSS

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jun 11, 2008 9:46 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LMAO

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 11, 2008 10:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

\0/

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jun 11, 2008 10:38 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Umm, what is that?

"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."

by californiachicagoan on Jun 11, 2008 11:49 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

someone celebrating with their arms up in the air

like a referee signaling touchdown!!

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Jun 11, 2008 11:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That was my

take on it too.

by sue369 on Jun 11, 2008 2:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Jun 11, 2008 11:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I had a similar thought with Eyre pitching

Not, “is he going to get the out?”, but, “this inning is about to end”

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2008 9:46 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What a game

Here my bummer comment of the day. Since its summer and it seems as if everyone is out, I was in line at 730 this morning for tix and there was already 15 people in front. Normally I get there at 755 and am the 3rd or 4th. Either way got my tix. This is nearing my 20th game, should be there by the end of the month (sorry credit card)

Great game, big clutch hits.LOVE IT.

Also, in response to number 3 in the SECOND POST. Rammy made a slick play to end the game which was awesome because he knew he really got lucky on it.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jun 11, 2008 8:44 AM CDT   0 recs

Yeah I caught that

They were all laughing and ribbing Ram on the way to the high 5’s.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Jun 11, 2008 8:46 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We'll take it, right?

I’m sure A-Ram did!

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 11, 2008 8:47 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I missed it

how did he get lucky? I was so focused on the fact that they got the double play that I didn’t notice. Thanks in advance.

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on Jun 11, 2008 8:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

On tv

it looked like he just sort of fell down in the general area of the ball and it went right into his glove. It really was a hot shot, he only had time to lunge at it.

by TC Cubby on Jun 11, 2008 8:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Another funny moment last night...

...was the first time Lou came out to visit Lilly on the mound in the seventh. Did anyone else catch Lou making playfully mocking faces at Lilly as he walked out? I think Lilly was mouthing something like, “What? I’m fine!” And Lou was laughing at his rather affected nonchalance.

It was a pretty gutsy move by Lou to leave Ted in to face Chipper Jones. (At the risk of stating the obvious, his stats are RIDICULOUS.) And I was glad Lilly was smart enough not to try to challenge him.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 11, 2008 10:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It looked like Lou

either stumbled or purposefully faked crossing the 3rd baseline to come to talk to Lilly and he was laughing about that with Lilly and whoever else was at the mound (the home plate umpire didn’t look to pleased about the whole exchange/mound visit).

I don’ t think Lou had any intention of pitching to Chipper. He just left Lilly in there to unintentionally walk him, so that Marmol wouldn’t have to come into the game a throw four balls before getting down to business.

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on Jun 11, 2008 10:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hm, OK. I didn't notice Lou stumble.

I thought he was just kinda teasing Lilly for acting surprised that he (Lou) came out of the dugout. And, yeah, it probably was an “unintentional intentional” walk, though I still don’t get why pitchers don’t just intentionally walk a guy they don’t want to pitch to.

Why take the chance of hanging one of those breaking balls? Maybe it’s a “face saving” thing? Would Lilly (or any pitcher) find it embarassing to give up an intentional walk and then leave the game?

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 11, 2008 11:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes...

I saw that. Pretty hilarious.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Jun 11, 2008 11:01 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Looked like he was imitating

a chicken. The whole sequence was bizarre, even after he got back to the dugout. I really need to work on my reading lips thing.

Go ahead, Z me.

by tony412 on Jun 11, 2008 11:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Also looked like the people

in the first row were pretty entertained.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Jun 11, 2008 11:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's what I thought, too.

Then the camera cut to the ump and I thought maybe he was taking it as an insult to him. Why, I don’t know, but he looked pissed.

"And there's a...BASE HIT! Fair ball! Fontenot will score! CUBS WIN!" -Len Kasper, 5.28.08

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 11, 2008 12:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And the most amazing thing of all???

In his post-game comments, Lou mentioned “Scott” Eyre, not once but twice!!! Looks like “Stevie” is finally a thing of the past…

...until he screws up again… ;-)

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 11, 2008 8:48 AM CDT   0 recs

Ha! Remember last year...

When Eyre couldn’t find the plate. Lou was priceless…

I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on Jun 11, 2008 8:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually...

... Eyre was really good in the 2nd half last year.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 11, 2008 9:01 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I believe I heard last night...

...that Eyre has now tied Ryan Dempster’s team record for most consecutive scoreless innings pitched. I’ll try to find a link to back this up, but if anyone has one or can otherwise confirm, please do.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 11, 2008 9:59 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's actually..........

.......consecutive scoreless appearances – not innings.

"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns

by tville on Jun 11, 2008 10:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ah, OK. And it's somewhere around 30, right?

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 11, 2008 10:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I believe Len said 31 last night

This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.

by HectorVillanueva on Jun 11, 2008 10:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Is he going to start calling Bob Howry... Stevie?

I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on Jun 11, 2008 8:59 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Might be a few "Billy Howry" comments coming from Lou

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 11, 2008 9:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Howry's struggles in his last two outings...

...may never have happened had he simply accepted SWL’s “Howry Cow” t-shirt.

For of all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these: ‘It might have been.”

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 11, 2008 10:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ballhawk

Were you hawking wearing a blackhawks shirt yesterday?

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jun 11, 2008 9:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

nope - I was in low key fashion mode last night. drab green shirt, beat up Rays hat.

don’t recall any blackhawks shirts yesterday – leastwise not amongst the regulars. there were a lot of people out there so I probably just missed it. There was a guy in a Pippen jersey inside that made a couple of nice catches on the walkway behind the seats. I was camped under both, so if he doesn’t catch them, I might have.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 11, 2008 2:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

cool

after I went for a run I stopped by for a while, there were a bunch of people

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jun 11, 2008 2:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Need A Good LHP in Pen

I don’t care if it’s Eyre or Cotts or both, the Cubs need good southpaw relief work in the pen. That has been my biggest quibble with this team. Normally, I have screaming out loud complaints about the Cubs.about which I could write volumes. It’s nice to be quibbling instead of complaining with this team.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Jun 11, 2008 10:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, I think both Cotts and Eyre have looked pretty good so far this season.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 11, 2008 11:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Eyre and Cotts both.....

have ERA’s of 0.00.

Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis

by carmen_fanzone on Jun 11, 2008 2:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

A better question is what are

their inherited runners scored status.

by bubbamike the one and only on Jun 11, 2008 2:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Too Small A Sample

Eyre and Cotts have not pitched very many innings. The Cubs need to get a lot of innings of good LHP’s in the pen. I don’t know if these are the right guys. They might be. They might not. Lou needs to use them both more extensively to get an idea of what they can really do.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Jun 11, 2008 3:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Any day of the week!

I’d take that!

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Jun 11, 2008 8:48 AM CDT   0 recs

Felix Pie Update

Here are his stats in Iowa.

G 24
AB 97
BA .186
OBP .233
SLG .361

Does anyone still want Pie back instead of Edmonds? Or would the claim be that the Cubs essentially killed Pie’s confidence, and that is the reason why he is floundering?

by zevkalman on Jun 11, 2008 8:49 AM CDT   0 recs

Personally

I think being as young as he is, he is probably being coached everyday and is just thinking WAY too much and pressing a bit.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Jun 11, 2008 8:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't know.............

..........if they “killed” it, but the move certainly didn’t help his confidence.

"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns

by tville on Jun 11, 2008 8:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The claim would be...

that Pie is down there making adjustments to his swing. This understandably has resulted in a 3-40 start in AAA. When you consider that fact, the .186 average makes a lot more sense. Since that horrendous start, he’s been hitting around .260 with solid power numbers. It’s not great, but it’s a step in the right direction. When players change their approach, you can expect bumps in the road.

As long as Edmonds is playing the way he’s played the past week or so, there’s no rush to get Pie back. But I wouldn’t be celebrating Pie’s struggles. Edmonds is definitely not a long-term solution, and Pie’s progress is probably going to be very important as of next year.

by SouthernCub on Jun 11, 2008 9:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm hoping PIe

continues to improve and can contribute this year. Any of the following are possible:

Pie gets called up in September for defense, pinch running duties and gets a few ABs in extra inning games.

Edmonds returns to his struggles and we need to try something different.

An injury requires his call up and he needs to play a few times a week.

Keep working Felix, we might need you for a pennant run.

by 26.2cubsfan on Jun 11, 2008 9:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ugh

I really hope he gets it together

by AlabamaCubFan on Jun 11, 2008 9:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

those numbers

are tilted because of his terrible start down there - 3-30 or something like that - when he was working on changing his swing. For the past few weeks, he’s been hitting much better.

Yes. I want Felix Pie back on the team.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jun 11, 2008 9:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

3-40...

Yes, people keep referencing the low numbers without taking into account the context:

1. He’s changing his approach at the plate.
2. As a result of (1), he started his AAA stint going 3-40.

As Dartmouth posted in another thread, there are signs of progress. He’s making more contact than he did in previous years, and he’s not seeing any reduction in extra-base hits. The problem has been he’s not getting as many singles.

I’m a big fan of Pie, and I hope he gets it together. But right now, as long as Edmonds and Johnson can provide adequate offense and solid defense, I’m willing to be patient with Pie. But I do hope he’s back with the team as the everyday CF by next year, as that would be a good sign for the organization.

by SouthernCub on Jun 11, 2008 10:01 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LSA.

Remember, the goal in Triple A isn’t necessarily to get “ideal” results. Just as pitchers often work on things there and give up runs, Felix is working on adjustments at the plate that are likely affecting his numbers. I hope he makes it back eventually, too, though I’m not expecting to see him play in the majors again until September.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 11, 2008 10:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

K's

15Ks 101ABs which is less than 100Ks a full season, which aint horrendous, but isnt great either.

"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."

by californiachicagoan on Jun 11, 2008 12:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Minus his 3-40 start

His stats since then would be

BA .276
OBP .300 (3 walks during his cold streak)
SLG .517 (the 3 hits were 2 singles and a homer)
OPS .817

That’s not bad. I would not call that floundering or lack of confidence.

However for June so far, he has been cold. OBP .237 SLG .378 OPS .615 So I would say he is doing ok, but is not threatening to immediately rebound to the bigs.

"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."

by californiachicagoan on Jun 11, 2008 12:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think all-in-all

it would have been better for this team long-term (and by “long-term” I include this year’s postseason), if Lou had been willing to give Pie the same extended chance he gave Jim Edmonds. Edmonds looked just as bad at the plate as Pie and for a longer stretch of time.

I’ve said all along that trying Edmonds was the best thing to try if we were going to give up on Pie because of Edmonds’ potential compared to his price. I am extremely glad that Edmonds got it together and has kept us from trading valuable pieces for another LH OF.

But the way Pie was handled did not help his development and we may end up missing him quite a bit next year and in the years to come. Hopefully Colvin develops and we never think about what might have been with Pie, because it is doubtful Felix Pie ever starts regularly for the Chicago Cubs again.

by DGU on Jun 11, 2008 2:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Overly dramatic

Who do you have as our centerfielder next year? Edmonds has lost .060 to .100 points of slugging each year since 2004. He is not coming back next year.

"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."

by californiachicagoan on Jun 11, 2008 2:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Who do you have as our manager for next year?

Edmonds won’t be back next year, but why do you think Pie will be?

by DGU on Jun 11, 2008 2:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I do see where I need some clarification here.

I think it is possible that Pie could get another shot in 2009 with the Cubs, especially if they win the WS. What seems most likely at this point, though, is that Pie is part of a trade package for whatever Lou thinks we need most at the trade deadline. I think that when Jim Hendry is confronted with a trade discussion where the other GM says we’d want either Pie or Player B, Hendry’s going to want to trade Pie. Remember, we weren’t the only ones arguing about Pie. Hendry’s just been through an organizational argument, too, and the Pie supporters lost. Getting rid of Pie so the argument doesn’t start over again is much preferrable to trading most of the names that could fill in for “Player B.”

by DGU on Jun 11, 2008 3:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Perhaps

But someone has to play center next year, and the pro-Pie front office guys can rightfully ask who is going to play it if/when a trade proposal involving Pie comes up.

"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."

by californiachicagoan on Jun 11, 2008 3:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs