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Zambrano as a power pitcher

I'm not going to complain, as Zambrano has been very good to this point in the season, but it is clear that he has lowered his strikeout rates and at the same time lowered his walks.  Zambrano has become much more of a contact pitcher allowing almost a hit per inning pitched.  While he used to have a fastball that could touch the high 90's, he now consistently throws a sinker that sits around 90-92.  His typical start this year only yields somewhere around 4-5 k's, but he is being much more efficient and is on pace to almost cut his walk total in half from last season.  Does he still have the ability to dominate a lineup on a given day?  He probably could, but this would mean losing some of his control and being erratic at times.  As long as he keeps getting outs that's more than enough.

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being a strikeout pitcher means throwing more pitches than a contact pitcher. I think it will benefit him in the long run, season and career. He knows he can still strike people out when he needs to.

by siwook on Jun 11, 2008 9:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Z isn't a power pitcher.

Wish he’d have known that the last three years. When he first burst onto the scene in 2003, his best games were when his sinker was working and he was getting groundouts. He’s gone back to that style this year and that’s why he’s had the success he has.

Keep up the good work.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 11, 2008 9:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, by his own admission...

...Z has consciously decided to rely more on his sinker (a la Greg Maddux) than his fastball (a la Roger Clemens). This is a good thing. A very, very good thing.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 11, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would tend to agree, except

Zambrano’s G/F ratio for 2002 & 2003 was an incredible 2.10 and 2.28. This year it’s 1.47, which is marginally better than the last two years (1.37 and 1.24) but still lower than 2004 & 2005 (1.63 and 1.62).

In most of the important categories (K/BB, OPS against) his numbers have been better in other seasons. And his sinker is nowhere near the level it once was. I thought he was getting more groundballs but the numbers don’t back that up. His BB have also gone been increasing as of late.

He’s shown flashes, there’s no denying that. Time will tell which direction he eventually ends up.

by Luis on Jun 11, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was a power pitcher

But I think that mad him throw a bit too many pitches.

"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti

by wrigleyrocker12 on Jun 11, 2008 9:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Point being...

... he shouldn’t have tried to be a power pitcher. It didn’t work well for him.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 11, 2008 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He definitely could be

But he’s much more effective when he’s not.

"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti

by wrigleyrocker12 on Jun 11, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with Al

I think Z finally realized that an out is an out. Doesn’t matter if it’s a K or a ground out. Like the original poster said, when he was striking batters out, his walks were way up. He isn’t striking out as many, but he isn’t walking as many either, which is a good thing. He could still let the ball rip when he needs to but I prefer this Zambrano to the old one.

Let's go for 10 in a row at home tonight!!!

"Please move away from this vector and get into another coordinate pronto. There's no access for you in this quadrant." Mike Donnelly

by McRipper on Jun 11, 2008 9:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Chris Farley

Chris Farley was hilarious. You really don’t think it was his best? Tommy Boy? Bev Hills Ninja? I remember how stunned I was when he died. Good stuff.

RIP Chris

"Please move away from this vector and get into another coordinate pronto. There's no access for you in this quadrant." Mike Donnelly

by McRipper on Jun 11, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Farley Continued

I think his best was probably Tommy Boy and his SNL skits but I honestly think some of his funniest moments were his cameos in the Wayne’s World movies

Svelte

by ryanbrixenivy on Jun 11, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The..

in a van down by the river skit is a classic.

"The 12 second rule is how long it takes Carlos Lee to hear, turn around, run over, find and eat a hot dog dropped by a fan in the Crawford Boxes at Minute Maid park" - ballhawk

by MScubbie on Jun 11, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice!!!

Pretty much any SNL skit is an instant classic. Funniest Farley moment is when he was at Soldier Field and tried to kick that field goal. If you haven’t seen it, youtube it. Matt Foley is my personal favorite. I used to get drunk and do his impressions for all my buddies in college.

Those were the good old days!!!!

"Please move away from this vector and get into another coordinate pronto. There's no access for you in this quadrant." Mike Donnelly

by McRipper on Jun 11, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I almost forgot

Chris Farley’s awesome cameo in an ok movie, Dirty Work. He has some of the funniest lines and scenes, if you haven’t seen it youtube it.

Svelte

by ryanbrixenivy on Jun 11, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude

I almost forgot that too. That’s the best cameo ever. He made that movie. Don’t forget the Billy Madison cameo too. Good to know there’s a fellow Farley fan around.

Son of a

"Please move away from this vector and get into another coordinate pronto. There's no access for you in this quadrant." Mike Donnelly

by McRipper on Jun 11, 2008 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We could start our own Chris Farley blog

They say in the land of the blind, the man with one eye is king but in the land of the skunks the man with half a nose is king…fly, flyyyyy!!! I don’t know how I forgot about the Billy Madison cameo, that was way better than Dirty Work

Svelte

by ryanbrixenivy on Jun 11, 2008 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha

Yeah we could. That blog would be hysterical. What about the Airheads cameo?

Does this tie make me look fat?

"Please move away from this vector and get into another coordinate pronto. There's no access for you in this quadrant." Mike Donnelly

by McRipper on Jun 11, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed as well

Z is not a power pitcher and as Daver said, Z said earlier this year that he is consciously throwing his “fastball” slower to get more movement on it.

I Z needs the strikeout, he can still rear back and throw the ball in the mid-90s, but he doesn’t have to do that to get outs. Z is move valuable to us when he is in the game pitching and his currently philosophy is allowing him to stay in games longer, thankfully.

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on Jun 11, 2008 10:12 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

who cares?

as long as we get the win.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jun 11, 2008 10:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think there's a misconception about Maddux here, first off.

To wit -

1. Maddux was one of the top 10 strikeout pitchers in the NL in nine seasons, and ranks second among active players in career strikeouts (eleventh all-time). Maddux was a very good strikeout pitcher in his prime.

2. Maddux’s amazing control allowed him to do this without issuing many walks; he has the third lowest career walk rate among active players.

As for Carlos – Z is still a power pitcher, he’s just economizing more. His ability to dominate a hitter allows him to get out of jams more often than some trash-heap ground ball pitcher (like, oh, Jason Marquis).

by cwyers on Jun 11, 2008 10:25 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I'm sorry to do this, cwyers, but...

...when are you going to put up your Theriot apology fan post? Even if he doesn’t end the year at .330, he’s done enough here in the first half to show that he can make (and has made) the necessary adjustments to not be a AAAA player. – TL

by timlacy on Jun 11, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll stand back and prepare my smore for cwyers' response.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 11, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's a bit early to be crowing about that.

Theriot, through June 7th, 2008: .329/.410/.395, .805 OPS

Neifi, through June 7th, 2005: .317/.342/.471, .813 OPS

Ballplayers go on hot and cold streaks. We don’t have enough PAs yet to be certain that Theriot’s true talent level has changed significantly from last season.

by cwyers on Jun 11, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But nobody would consider Maddux a power pitcher

Sure he is 11th all time in strikeouts, but that has as much to do with his durability as it does to do with his ability to strike batters out. A pitcher like Maddux can pitch 20 years with around 150 strikeouts a year and hit 3000. The problem is most pitchers become either ineffective or get injured and are not able to pitch lengthy careers. Maddux struck out 200 batters in only one season in his career. He is one of the greatest pitchers in history but I would not say people are wrongly not considering him a power or strikeout pitcher.

by cubs on Jun 11, 2008 10:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Maddux

Maddux might well have been able to get more strikeouts in his earlier years but he recognized the importance of getting the outs and keeping the runners off base with few walks. He would likely have had more K’s at the expense of more BB’s and fewer wins and more loses. Would that all pitchers were not as obsessed with the K.

by frustratedfan on Jun 11, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If by "recognized" you mean "lost velocity"

"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."

by californiachicagoan on Jun 11, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you missed this part:

1. Maddux was one of the top 10 strikeout pitchers in the NL in nine seasons

"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."

by californiachicagoan on Jun 11, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maddux...

... also was at the top of the NL in innings pitched in all of those seasons. His strikeout total is more a function of his inning total than being a “strikeout pitcher”.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 11, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correct

A better measurement would be K/IP. Maddux was top 10 there only 3 times and never in the top 5.

by rlpete on Jun 11, 2008 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Z Not A Power Pitcher

Z is no Jamie Moyer on the finesse side and no Randy Johnson on the power side. The sinker is a great pitch to throw on days the wind is blowing out at Wrigley. A pitcher can a lot of double play ground balls with that pitch. You can conceivably get a ground ball out with 1 pitch. Very obviously, a strikeout takes at least 3 pitches. (Duh!)

Moyer and the Big Unit have gotten outs different ways. Going back to a previous era, Tommy John and Nolan Ryan were successful pitchers with different styles. Big Z is simply maturing as a pitcher capable of getting K’s but not relying on them.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Jun 11, 2008 10:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I think getting caught up...

...in these “power pitcher” or “finesse pitcher” labels can get self-defeating after a while. Z seems to be evolving into an all-around good pitcher, and I’ll take one of those over 10 guys who can throw 95 but can’t find the strike zone or wind up tiring out after three innings.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 11, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have been griping about this for the last 3 years...

Furthermore, I couldn’t understand why Rothschild wasn’t able to get this through Zambrano’s head. Zambrano’s attempted switch to a strikeout pitcher was the #1 reason I was hoping Rothschild would not be the pitching coach when Pinella was brought in. Looks like Zambrano is just that stubborn and needed to see the difference for himself.

by smitster2008 on Jun 11, 2008 10:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If you got good stuff, just keep the walks down and your golden

"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."

by californiachicagoan on Jun 11, 2008 1:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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