Soriano: minimally displaced fracture
I know it's early, but how serious is this? How much will this hurt the team? Only good thing I can say is that when he went down with the calf injury, the Cubs did fine without him. But if he's out for a spell, do we dare go after a true leadoff guy? Or do we look at the farm system? Again, I know it's early, but just curious what you all think.
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One thing for sure...
Expect Micah Hoffpauir at Wrigley tomorrow. This will be the short-term fix. Long term? I don’t know. THe team made it thru Soriano’s 1st absence…but will they get lucky a 2nd time…especially going into Toronto and Tampa? I just don’t know.
Kasey
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by kaseyi on Jun 11, 2008 9:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just checked this thread out.
I doubt you’ll see Hoffpauir tomorrow. There’s hardly any point to bringing someone to Chicago for one day, then off to Toronto. They’ll just play a man short for a day and have Hoffpauir and another body come to Toronto on Friday.
Just my first thoughts. More in the morning.
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by Al on Jun 11, 2008 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think with a four-man bench...
...the Cubs can’t afford to go into tomorrow with a three-man bench. So I can definitely see a roster move by tomorrow.
by cwyers on Jun 11, 2008 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More info needed...
I know the ESPN “gurus” are saying possibly six weeks, but I think we’re going to need more information with this before we all FREAK OUT! I’m thinking it might be a DARN good thing we got that red-headed dude in Iowa! Yes, it’s a big blow, but this team has the ability to maintain. No jumping out of office buildings yet, Cub Fans! Keep the Faith!
by socalicubsfan on Jun 11, 2008 9:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lou said in the post-game conference
he heard 6 weeks
by ecbc on Jun 11, 2008 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Six weeks seems to be the "norm"
Can't wait for the Cubs in '08!!!
by fuzzycubfan on Jun 11, 2008 9:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah...
And I’m not freaking out! Just bad timing with Pujols going to the DL. We need to distance ourselves from the Cards.
Can't wait for the Cubs in '08!!!
by fuzzycubfan on Jun 11, 2008 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Us losing Fonzie...
has way less effect than them losing Pujols
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by carmen_fanzone on Jun 12, 2008 6:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but...
It would have been nice to put 6-7 games on them. They need Pujols to win and to keep up, but I also think we need Sori to pull away. I’m sure we can maintain this and be ok till he is back. He is very streaky and if Micha is as hot as he was before, he is almost as good at the plate as Sori. This team is so well adapted to pluggin in anyone and haveing them do great. I dont think ANYONE expected Jimmy to be doing as well as he is. We have a grea team who is willing to play when and where they can to get wins.
by pickupman21 on Jun 12, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fonzie's a great hitter
But he’s far from our most important player. I’d put him at #4, behind Aram, DLee and Z.
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by cubbybear on Jun 12, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've always heard...
Hand injuries are tricky. Recovery might take a while…and just having faith that you won’t reinjure the hand while hitting takes even longer. +I’m just not feeling good about this right now.
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by kaseyi on Jun 11, 2008 9:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ask Al about hand injuries!
He knows all about one (his own! :) )
Can't wait for the Cubs in '08!!!
by fuzzycubfan on Jun 12, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True.
It took almost a year for my dislocated finger to get even close to normal (and it’s still not 100%).
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by Al on Jun 14, 2008 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should have had it amputated
ala Ronnie Lott! (MY favorite football star)
Can't wait for the Cubs in '08!!!
by fuzzycubfan on Jun 14, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that he’s out who will bat leadoff? The last time Soriano was out, Lou tried Theriot, Patterson, and Fontenot, and the combined batting average was something right around .200 with an OBP below .300. Whoever gets put into that leadoff hole needs to step up hit well well Soriano is out.
by cubs on Jun 11, 2008 9:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
assuming the Edmonds Experience continues to produce reasonable results...
...this may be as good as time as any to try Dome in the leadoff spot. Would certainly split up the lefties.
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by ballhawk on Jun 11, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 12, 2008 6:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess is that
Theriot bats leadoff and he can’t judge his leadoff stats on a small sample size…
What is interesting is to see who bats second…does Lou put Fukudome there….
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by TheRiot Police on Jun 11, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DeRo 2nd
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 12, 2008 6:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
8 weeks before he contribute to this team again...
He may play in 6 weeks…but you have to factor in that he will not take a minor league assignment to get his timing back so he will suck for the first couple.
I have faith that they will be just fine…just sucks because he seemed to be turning the corner on his strike zone recoginition and now we will have to go through that flailing out crappy pitches again
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by TheRiot Police on Jun 11, 2008 9:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs were 9-5 without him
I say they bring back Murton. He’s tearing up Iowa with a .311 batting average and 25 runs. His start can be found here.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jun 11, 2008 9:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Vernon Wells
just game back from broken wrist in about a month-so maybe it wont be so bad, better the hand than the wrist.
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by bren on Jun 11, 2008 9:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
just came back*
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jun 11, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs will supposedly
call up Micah Hoffpauir.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jun 11, 2008 9:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That was determined before
Soriano was injured.
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by Unique on Jun 11, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess he'll be back
in time for the playoff drive.
by daeviant on Jun 11, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lou said, "couple guys" would get called up.
Hoffpaiur is obvious for #1. Is #2 Murton for the RH option or Patterson for the speed?
by DGU on Jun 11, 2008 9:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My picks would
be Murton and Patterson. But oh well.
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by Unique on Jun 11, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mine would be
Murton, Patterson and Hoffpauir, with Kevin Hart and Mike Fontenot going down.
But I’m giving up hope of that.
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by Josh77 on Jun 12, 2008 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I call up Murton
not because I really think that he is better than Hoffpauir. He just don’t know what you are going to get with Micah. With Murton, you are already getting a proven commodity who you know can hit Major League pitching on a consistent basis. Sure he does not hit for power, but when you have three quality power guys in Lee, Ramirez, and Soto, Decent power with DeRosa and Fukudome…you just need to make sure that the guy who replaces Soriano does not become an automatic out.
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by TheRiot Police on Jun 11, 2008 9:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with calling up Murton.
At least Murton gets on base and keeps the lineup moving. I have a suspicion the callups will be Hoffpaiur for power and Patterson for speed and both for being lefties.
by DGU on Jun 11, 2008 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The more I'm thinking about this, the more I think Eric Patterson is going to get a shot.
He’s swinging the hot bat right now at AAA. Hoffpaiur’s going to be the DH in Toronto this week anyway. He gives Lou the speed he wants.
by DGU on Jun 11, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right now I see Theriot most likely leading odd though it is possible that Reed Johnson could get some chances in the leadoff hole. I could see DeRosa getting moved into the 2-hole with Theriot leading off, but we’ll see what Lou has in store.
by cubs on Jun 11, 2008 9:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Lou take the opportunity to split up his lefties here.
And – at least against RHP – I’d expect to see Theriot leading off, Dome second. Then you put Edmonds or Hoffpauir in the middle of the order.
by cwyers on Jun 11, 2008 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The lineup in the DH park is going to be interesting.
Could it be:
Riot
Dome
DLee
Aram
Hoff
Soto
Ed
DeRo
EPat
by DGU on Jun 11, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Presuming that you have Hoff DHing, DeRo in Left, EPatt at second.
I think it’s pretty clear that Lou’s first choice for a lefty backup second baseman is Mike Fontenot. Really don’t think Patterson will get a callup here.
by cwyers on Jun 11, 2008 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking EPatt in LF
What had me thinking Patterson was Lou’s interview where he talked about 2 guys “getting their shot” and the importance of speed. Murton’s had his shot. Fontenot’s had his shot. Neither has speed.
by DGU on Jun 11, 2008 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can he play left?
Everywhere I see he’s listed as a second basemen. Murton and Fonty have decent speed, but I don’t think Lou will send Fonty down, he seems to really like him.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jun 11, 2008 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's played center before.
And if you can play second, you can play left. It’s the second easiest defensive position.
by cwyers on Jun 11, 2008 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's played
17 career games in left in the minors, and two games in the majors there last season. He’s played it before and he can handle it, as long as you’re not expecting anything great.
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by Josh77 on Jun 12, 2008 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is gonna suck.
I’m weary on Theriot leading off; he’s done so good in the 2-hole.
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by NittanyCub on Jun 11, 2008 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this sucks
I hate Atlanta! Anyone else feel as miserable as I do? What a series of bullsh$# events; the starter injures himself leaving Wrigley yesterday and some toolbag comes in and drops one of our best players. This angers me. We will be lucky to see Sorianno contribute by September. Thank God this team has depth. They will survive because the Central is not good and Thankfully Pujols is out. I have one thing to say to Hendry: “GET CC!”. Just when you think we can mail this in…
by thisisitflyfishing on Jun 11, 2008 9:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
september is
11 weeks away. Soriano will be back before that.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 11, 2008 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thoughts
As for the injury itself, yes this is a big blow but we’ve proven that we can score runs without Soriano. There are other players who would be a bigger loss to the team. Soriano on any other team would be a much bigger loss. However don’t panic. Soriano out won’t change our pitching…correction our recent outsanding pitching. Dempster was amazing, Lilly did great last night and Z minus a couple of games will put on a clinic.
As for leadoff, most people here know I’m a big Theriot fan but I wouldn’t put him on there. He’s doing an amazing job as the #2 guy. Reed Johnson did great up there. Fukudome could bat leadoff with Hoff, Soto, or DeRosa batting #5. Lou has lots of options to tinker his lineup and I’m sure he’ll find a right mix.
As for callups Murton and Hoffpauer will get called up I’m sure. They don’t need a 13th pitcher so my guess is Hart will go down (unless he’s already back down?).
Let’s just relax and see how we’re doing in a week. Even with Cardinals breathing down us we have a nice cushion and nothing to worry about YET.
by ak123 on Jun 11, 2008 10:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hart caught
the ceremonial first pitch today, so as of right now, he’s on the 25 man roster.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 11, 2008 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyone
think the Brian Roberts talks heat up now that our leadoff hitter is out? Dero could go to left. Personally I’d rather see Murton up and Hendry focus on CC
by plenz on Jun 11, 2008 10:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No....
That is dead for the Cubs
The Brewers are hot to trot after BR now…
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by TheRiot Police on Jun 11, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
moving DeRosa into a supporting role
is a HUGE mistake. He drove in ALL THREE RUNS in LA the other day.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 11, 2008 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope E-Patt gets the call.
He’d be a good lead-off guy and has very good speed.
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by ARAM FOR MVP on Jun 11, 2008 10:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I vote for EPatt and Micah
nice mix of speed and power
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by DC Cubbie on Jun 11, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't think Hoffpauir has the power everyone thinks he has.
by cwyers on Jun 11, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you say Patterson has more power than Hoffpaiur?
by DGU on Jun 11, 2008 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
Not this season, anyway – Patterson is a few years away from his peak power season, and Hoffpauir is probably right at his. (Now, an apples to apples comparison at age 28, I think Patterson would probably outslug Hoffpauir, but that’s not relevant to what we do right now.)
But Patterson’s total package is much more valuable than Hoffpauir’s, and his upside is higher. Neither of them is really a left fielder, though.
by cwyers on Jun 11, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't be opposed to having Patterson roam LF.....
but DeRosa is swinging a nice bat as of late. Keep DeRosa in the lineup the next couple days in LF. Cedeno deserves the chance to have some more consistent playing time.
DEROSA: How did it feel when you're sitting in Baton Rouge and it came across the ticker that Mark DeRosa had just signed to play second base with the Chicago Cubs.
THERIOT: In all honestly, when I saw it, I really felt like punching you right in the mouth and or breaking your leg.
by EJThunder on Jun 11, 2008 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bring up Patterson and Hoffpauir.............
...........and dismiss Fontenot in some fashion. Honestly, does anyone see the value of this guy?
To me he’s the second coming of Michael Barrett: Can’t play a lick defensively and when he’s at the plate, Cubs fans overrate his performance.
Maybe this isn’t the post for discussion of his, ahem, skills, but this team won’t find long term success with this guy on the bench.
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by tville on Jun 11, 2008 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What makes the most sense
Bring up Murton, Hoffpauir, and Patterson.
Soriano to DL, back to 12-man pitching staff, send Fontenot down? The latter is of course unlikely to happen.
by John Q Freejazz on Jun 11, 2008 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tville
Just curious where Tville is. I live in Taylorville and that is the nickname we use here….Illinois.
by centerdrive on Jun 11, 2008 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I use it because............
................I was born and raised in Taylorville, IL. While in college at DePaul, my friends used it as my nickname and it’s stuck ever since.
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by tville on Jun 12, 2008 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tville
Just curious, when did you graduate? I am a transplant to the area but my wife has lived here all her life.
by centerdrive on Jun 12, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I departed...........
.........the hallowed halls of THS in June of 1980.
Yup, I’m older than dirt.
Younger sister from the class of ‘82 and bro from ‘85.
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by tville on Jun 12, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am so not worried about this
Yes, we will miss his bat, but honestly, I am not too concerned with losing Soriano. I think the Cubs have enough depth in the OF with Murton or others. Regardless, there are several guys whose absence would hurt the team more.
I hope they give Murton another long look in LF and make Hoffpauir the DH for the impending interleague games. Whoever hits better in the next few days gets to stay.
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by Ross on Jun 11, 2008 10:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This team...
is really packed with talent. I actually think there is alot of positive to this DL stint. Have Soriano out of the lineup allows us to move some people around, both on the field and in the line up. We will have a better idea of our bench depth, and it will allow Lou to rest some players in july.
Is this team better with Sori… YES. But we still have one of the most productive lineups in the MLB without him. I think we will be fine. Also remember Sori has been nursing bad legs. Because this is a hand injury he will be back, fresh, by Aug 1st (IMO). He’ll get his timing back by Sept 1, and his legs will be rested. He could by the difference down the stretch. Most importantly he’ll be rested for the playoffs… obviously last year’s race down the stretch took alot out of our top guys, as evidenced by their crap play in the NLDS. A rested Sori could carry the team in Sept/Oct.
Truth be told. Of our superstar players… hes the best to go down. This sucks, but its really the best possible case. I’ll take a borken hand over a broked wrist, torne groin, strained shoulder, or bad elbow.
by cubbieson44th on Jun 12, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There would be plenty of guys I would not to lose before Sori
in no order, they would Soto, Lee, ARam, Dome, Z, Marmol, Wood, and Demp.
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by DC Cubbie on Jun 11, 2008 10:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Murton is batting .143 in June with no hits in last 4 games. Look for EPatt and Hoff to get the call. This begs a question: Can Reed play left field? With Edmonds playing better and Reed doing nice lately, I could see Lou using both. Also, expect DRo out in left and Fonty at second more. I know they have the depth it just pisses me off.
by thisisitflyfishing on Jun 11, 2008 10:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why can't they put
DeRo in left and play E-Patt at second?
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jun 11, 2008 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DeRosa
isn’t a full-time outfielder. Mess with the chemistry as little as possible. Hoff for DH, I guess, and Murton is a left-fielder.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 11, 2008 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reed Johnson
Has played extensively in LF in the past
by Archie on Jun 12, 2008 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
My guess is that Soriano won’t be out the full 6 weeks. If not, I say he is back to his old self right after the break.
This also is a great time to make sure his legs get to 100% (His legs were doing a lot better lately anyway).
Like Dan Plesac said: The Cubs have a very deep bench and even though this injury hurts but Cubs will be able to weather the storm.
Bring up Micah Hoffpauir, Eric Patterson [Hot bat] / Matt Murton and send down Hart.
The Cubs will get through this.
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THERIOT: In all honestly, when I saw it, I really felt like punching you right in the mouth and or breaking your leg.
by EJThunder on Jun 11, 2008 10:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Soriano will be in a splint for 3 weeks....
so it’s possible, depending on how well it heals and how the left ring finger feels after it is off he could be back in about 4(ish) weeks.
DEROSA: How did it feel when you're sitting in Baton Rouge and it came across the ticker that Mark DeRosa had just signed to play second base with the Chicago Cubs.
THERIOT: In all honestly, when I saw it, I really felt like punching you right in the mouth and or breaking your leg.
by EJThunder on Jun 11, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is a hands hitter
...He will proabably need the full six weeks. He don’t want him to come back too early and re-injury the hand on a swing. He swings a heavy bat and swings violently…two bad combinations when you have a hands injury.
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by TheRiot Police on Jun 11, 2008 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs.com is reporting that six weeks is the minimum time he'll be out
I hate to say it, but we’re not going to see him again until mid-August.
by bluekoolaide on Jun 11, 2008 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say he's back mid-July....
6 weeks puts him at July 24th.
But he definitely would need to go to the minors for some rehab assignments. Lou and Alfonso won’t make the same mistake twice.
DEROSA: How did it feel when you're sitting in Baton Rouge and it came across the ticker that Mark DeRosa had just signed to play second base with the Chicago Cubs.
THERIOT: In all honestly, when I saw it, I really felt like punching you right in the mouth and or breaking your leg.
by EJThunder on Jun 11, 2008 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's actually not
his ringfinger it’s the bone in his hand that is attached to the finger. It’s below the knuckle in the hand. They just showed where the fracture is on CSN.
by sue369 on Jun 11, 2008 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I broke that exact same bone
Metatarsal attached to my pinky finger…
Had a cast for 2 weeks, went to the doctor and lo and behold, it was healed. Got it off after 2 weeks.
by cubsonWGN4ever on Jun 12, 2008 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano has been a fast healer in the past.
Maybe he can make it four weeks instead of six.
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by Al on Jun 12, 2008 6:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can look at the bright side
as you said, his legs will be 100%, but remember when Derek Lee had his hand injury, he had lost some power for almost two years, but it appears to be back right now.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jun 11, 2008 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm no doctor but...
I dont think that we can compare Derrek’s injury to Alfonso.
1) We aren’t completely sure that the wrist was the cause of Lee’s power outage.
2) Derrek’s injury was a broken wrist, whereas Alfonso has a hand injury.
But I agree with TheRiot Police. I didn’t really keep in mind how Alfonso swings. He uses one of the heaviest bats in the clubhouse.
Hopefully he will be good as new after the break. He is a fast healer and let’s hope that stays true with this injury.
DEROSA: How did it feel when you're sitting in Baton Rouge and it came across the ticker that Mark DeRosa had just signed to play second base with the Chicago Cubs.
THERIOT: In all honestly, when I saw it, I really felt like punching you right in the mouth and or breaking your leg.
by EJThunder on Jun 11, 2008 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This just flat out f'n sucks
Especially
1. On a night where Demp threw a CG
2. That the injury was caused by a HBP
3. That Pujols is down as well, and we can’t even have the heatlh advantage
Just friggin sucks.
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by SackMan on Jun 11, 2008 10:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree SackMan
Why arent more outraged? Pisses me off that it was a HBP! And from Atlanta too.
by thisisitflyfishing on Jun 11, 2008 10:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We can only bitch about it for a minute... then we have to move on and deal with reality
From an optimistic viewpoint… this gives our farmhands (Hoff, E-Patt, and maybe Pie) an opportunity to come up and strut their stuff. If they succeed, they’ll help the ball club win games in Soriano’s absence, and also increase their own trade value, so when Soriano returns we can put together a package for the starter we want at the deadline.
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by SackMan on Jun 11, 2008 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and from Atlanta too?
huh? We have no large rivalry with Atlanta. It’s not like it was LaRussa throwing at us on purpose.
It was a HBP. It happens. Recover and move on. I got no time for outrage; we’re up 2.5 games, with 42 wins on freakin June 11th.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 11, 2008 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bean ball war
in Atlanta last year? Lilly getting tossed in the first inning? Renteria clotheslining Fontenot? All of which was apparently sparked by Soriano posing at the plate in a 3-homer game, with the Braves then hitting him on purpose?
It was a nasty little episode that seemed to have been started by the Braves.
"Let's not get too giggly." ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jun 12, 2008 2:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A positive note
At least he’ll get to rest his legs for 6 weeks right? that cant hurt
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jun 11, 2008 10:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good point
Sucks he can’t play but those legs better be 110% when he returns!
by ak123 on Jun 11, 2008 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Injury thought
STUPID QUESTION HERE:
This broken finger: Is it more painful for him to bat or for him to field? Could you technically have it cast/wrapped and DH during interleague? Is it more risky?
Just knowing Lou and Soriano always wanting to play is it even an option?
by ak123 on Jun 11, 2008 10:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Its his hand
Not his finger, so i doubt theyd play him in some sort of cast/splint b/c it would be too risky
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jun 11, 2008 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thought hand too
I also thought it was his hand as well but then I read on either cubs.com or on espn broken finger. Either that or I just got mixed up (which is usually the case :) )
by ak123 on Jun 11, 2008 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See below.....
DEROSA: How did it feel when you're sitting in Baton Rouge and it came across the ticker that Mark DeRosa had just signed to play second base with the Chicago Cubs.
THERIOT: In all honestly, when I saw it, I really felt like punching you right in the mouth and or breaking your leg.
by EJThunder on Jun 11, 2008 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather not have him hurt it again
and have him out for the season.
"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jun 11, 2008 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially if we see a postseaon berth.
DEROSA: How did it feel when you're sitting in Baton Rouge and it came across the ticker that Mark DeRosa had just signed to play second base with the Chicago Cubs.
THERIOT: In all honestly, when I saw it, I really felt like punching you right in the mouth and or breaking your leg.
by EJThunder on Jun 11, 2008 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Call Terrell Owens
And borrow whatever crazy healing sleeping chamber he used prior to the Super Bowl a few years ago…. along with whatever pills he was poppin.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
by SackMan on Jun 11, 2008 10:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Before we all go crazy and think of a potential June Swoon...
keep in mind the positives surrounding this injury.
The Cubs get to perhaps see if Pie/Edmonds/Murton/Hoffpauir are/is the answer.
Other guys are going to step up..and I GUARANTEE YOU they will.
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY…Sori’s going to come back to us ready and willing to run because his legs will be completely healthy for the first time in over half a year. While we Cubs fans never want to see this…it’s not the end of the world as this team is built to take blows like this and keep on swinging…(literally)
GO CUBS!
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"You just wouldn't get it...it's a Cubs thing..." Me.
by cubs2k8isnxtyear on Jun 11, 2008 10:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What hurts more is seeing
soriano on the bench sad because he cant play. breaks my heart
by xene on Jun 11, 2008 10:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
To get a better idea:
DEROSA: How did it feel when you're sitting in Baton Rouge and it came across the ticker that Mark DeRosa had just signed to play second base with the Chicago Cubs.
THERIOT: In all honestly, when I saw it, I really felt like punching you right in the mouth and or breaking your leg.
by EJThunder on Jun 11, 2008 10:51 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
In reply to your reply :)
So it’s technically the finger but the bone is connecting to hand which is the source of the problem and why he’s out for 6 weeks?
by ak123 on Jun 11, 2008 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From what I undterstand, yes.....
That damn 4th metacarpal…..
DEROSA: How did it feel when you're sitting in Baton Rouge and it came across the ticker that Mark DeRosa had just signed to play second base with the Chicago Cubs.
THERIOT: In all honestly, when I saw it, I really felt like punching you right in the mouth and or breaking your leg.
by EJThunder on Jun 11, 2008 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If anyone's still reading this...
I’m a nurse and can interpret a bit. The bone in question is actually part of what we’d generally call the hand. If you were to draw skin on the above picture, you’d connect the joints marked “MCPJ”. Check out how many knuckles are there and compare it with your own finger. If you follow one of your fingers down into your hand, you can feel that there’s still a longer bone there before you get to the smaller carpal bones. Those longer bones are the metacarpals which is what he broke.
by claypot33 on Jun 11, 2008 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks...
So if you put your finger on your left ring finer knuckle it’s the bone between the knuckle and the wrist and carpal bones.
Seems like it would be pretty painful getting a better visual of the bone while looking at mine…..
DEROSA: How did it feel when you're sitting in Baton Rouge and it came across the ticker that Mark DeRosa had just signed to play second base with the Chicago Cubs.
THERIOT: In all honestly, when I saw it, I really felt like punching you right in the mouth and or breaking your leg.
by EJThunder on Jun 12, 2008 2:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks to all of you for this...
... I learned some things here that I did not know before.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 12, 2008 6:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's Look at this from a positve
We are stacked at the corner infield positions, stacked in right field, and stacked behind the plate. Good at Second and Decent at Short. We have two potential holes in the lineup…if those holes get smaller by some overachieving…we will be just fine.
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
by TheRiot Police on Jun 11, 2008 10:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is this the same bone Sandberg broke in 93?
What I’d do is
Move Theriot to leadoff
Give DeRosa a lot of time in left and in the 2nd hole.
Put Cedeno in at SS move Theriot to 2nd.
This could do a couple of things
1. Put our better D player at SS
2. Give a chance to see what Theriot can do in the leadoff slot.
3. See who is better with the bat with both Cedeno and Theriot with extended PT. Whoever is doing best at end of Soriano’s out period is the starting SS from then on.
I think this is the 5th worst everyday player injury on the team after Ramirez, Lee, Fukudome and Soto. Part of it is I think we’d have an easier time finding a left fielder from within or outside than any of the other positions especially 3rd or catcher.
Right now my biggest concern is WE HAVE TO HAVE THERIOT KEEP HITTING!
We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 11, 2008 10:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
#2 bad idea
Why move our best hitter out of the place he’s hitting so well. We’re on a roadtrip. Time to experiment with Fukudome. He hits horribly on the road, perhaps in leadoff he will do better? That’s a better risk.
Worst comes to worst if Fukudome gets out in the first inning we have a REALLY good chance Theriot will get on base for Lee and Ramirez.
by ak123 on Jun 11, 2008 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the idea of Dome as the lead off
and absolutely hate the idea of moving Riot.
by slcathena on Jun 12, 2008 3:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't get how Theriot can be
both “the best hitter” and simultaneously so touchy that he can’t be moved one spot from 2 to 1. If hitting in front of Lee and Ramirez is so powerful as to be solely responsible for Theriot’s hitting success, let’s start experimenting and see if they can have the same effect on someone with plus defense or a smattering of power.
by DGU on Jun 12, 2008 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Show of hands
Who else is really really happy we have Edmonds right now if he continues hitting?
We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 11, 2008 11:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sheepishly
raises hand so no one sees him…
D-LEE!
by airweino on Jun 12, 2008 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never thought I'd see the day.
Damn glad to have you, Jim.
by slcathena on Jun 12, 2008 3:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No offense to Soriano but the Pujols injury is a much bigger hit to the Cardinals.
We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 11, 2008 11:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
of course it is
They are the team chasing us.
by ak123 on Jun 11, 2008 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A little humor if you will?
In response to Jair Jurrjens little tumble yesterday evening:
DEROSA: How did it feel when you're sitting in Baton Rouge and it came across the ticker that Mark DeRosa had just signed to play second base with the Chicago Cubs.
THERIOT: In all honestly, when I saw it, I really felt like punching you right in the mouth and or breaking your leg.
by EJThunder on Jun 11, 2008 11:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but he also thinks
Soriano going on the DL is a good break for the cubbies too. Because, you know, he’s BlueMike.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 11, 2008 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying
he’s a big jinx?
"Let's not get too giggly." ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jun 12, 2008 5:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dr. Eric Young, M.D. has weighed in
“It’s actually gonna be about 8-10 weeks in my opinion.” Thanks, Eric.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jun 11, 2008 11:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah....Genius he is.
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
by TheRiot Police on Jun 11, 2008 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
EY has a vendetta against the Cubs...
I’m telling you.
Especially during Brewers, Cubs highlights.
Shut up, Eric.
DEROSA: How did it feel when you're sitting in Baton Rouge and it came across the ticker that Mark DeRosa had just signed to play second base with the Chicago Cubs.
THERIOT: In all honestly, when I saw it, I really felt like punching you right in the mouth and or breaking your leg.
by EJThunder on Jun 11, 2008 11:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Video of Soriano's injury, in case you weren't able to watch,
is here. Viewer discretion advised.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jun 11, 2008 11:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
On the bright side...
Maybe when he does come back, his legs wont be bothering him…at all
by fuku-domenation on Jun 11, 2008 11:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rough losing Soriano
But there are still about 5 other players on this team I would be more stressed over losing for 6 weeks other than Soriano. At least now we won’t have to worry about defense in left field at the end of a game, soriano still has his stretches where he can’t hit anything. This lineup is still incredibly deep even with reed johnson leading off and the lineup we still have with soriano. I still believe this team will be fine without soriano until he returns
"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.
by CubsBall2202 on Jun 11, 2008 11:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
cwyers, Dartmouth, etc:
Can one of you guys run the numbers minus Soriano’s production, plus … the different options … and give us a sense for how many runs per game we’re going to lose minus Soriano? Or whatever metric makes sense. Thanks.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jun 11, 2008 11:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Working on it.
I’ve just finished doing translations and projections on Hoffpauir, Murton and Patterson.
by cwyers on Jun 12, 2008 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice. Separate FanPost or should I come back here?
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jun 12, 2008 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll probably post a capsule description and maybe a link here.
by cwyers on Jun 12, 2008 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Short version: you're looking at costing the team roughly three and a half runs...
...in 112 plate appearances using Murton in left instead of Soriano. You cost the team about 4.5 if you use Hoffpauir, and about 5 if you use Patterson (as a left fielder, mind). That’s if you assume that Hoffpauir is merely a bad defensive outfielder instead of an attrocious one, which is a charitable assumption.
Hopefully later I’ll be able to look at DeRosa moving to the outfield and Fontenot/Patterson/Cedeno manning second base.
by cwyers on Jun 12, 2008 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So that's 4-5 runs...
... over how long a period of time? Would that cost any wins, theoretically?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 12, 2008 6:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the standard statistical view is 10 runs = 1 win
but, of course, watching the actual games, we may see situations where being minus Soriano really seems to hurt more than others. Here’s what I would suggest/ask, though. Given where Soriano hit in the lineup, if you just replace him with Murton at leadoff and Murton hit about .290/.360/.420, we’d lose over .100 pts of SLG, but at the leadoff position where there are less guys on base to drive in. We’d gain .035 pts of OBP – at the leadoff position. Do we really end up losing as many runs as the straightforward analysis of the two players in a vacuum would suggest? Contextually, given how Soriano is placed in the Cubs’ lineup, as long as his replacement ends up with a higher OBP, doesn’t it hurt less than if his stat line were batting in an RBI spot of our lineup?
by DGU on Jun 12, 2008 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So IOW...
... this might not hurt as badly as it might seem at first glance.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 12, 2008 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it all depends on what the replacements do.
We could get a Hoffpaiur/Patterson “power”/speed platoon and they could hit a combined .100/.150/.150. On the other hand, we could get Fontentot at 2B and DeRosa in LF and Fontenot could go off on one of his surges and outhit what Soriano would do. It COULD happen; it’s just not likely. The thing about Soriano is that he is very likely to hit with an OPS over .850, and I’d take that everyday. But since his OBP is also likely to be sub-.340, Lou has some options that could improve on the OBP and one option that is even likely to improve on it. Will he use one of those options? We’ll see.
by DGU on Jun 12, 2008 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a statistical genius by any means
but does that take into consideration Soriano’s streaky nature? or is it on averages? In other words, if he was on the cusp of one of his hot streaks, it would hurt a hell of a lot more losing him than it would if we were on the verge of a cold streak.
"Dad gum right this games gonna be played under protest. . . I guarantee this is gonna be one protest that's upheld." --Hawk Harrelson, 6/24/07
by RynoHoF on Jun 12, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't predict when a guy is going to be hot or cold.
You just can’t. So I don’t factor it into any of my calculations. But yeah, these are the median figures. Things could be better or worse depending on how Lou puts things together and how well those players perform.
by cwyers on Jun 12, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Murton
Bringing up Murton for an extended look might help raise his trade value for when Soriano returns. Of course, he needs to hit then as well. I am just not sold on EPatt yet – it is that whole Corey’s brother connection…
D-LEE!
by airweino on Jun 12, 2008 12:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No, we've seen enough of Matt Murton
This ballclub has zero need for a punch and judy singles hitter who is a bad left fielder to boot. Go with Mark DeRosa and Reed Johnson in left.
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 12, 2008 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except Reed Johnson really can't hit RHP.
.232/.291/.303 this year vs. RHP. 4 doubles, 1 HR in 99 AB. Now what was it you were saying about a punch & judy singles hitter?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 12, 2008 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
PEONED!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 12, 2008 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rose Colored Glasses
He’ll be back at the end of July. Its like we’ll pick up an All Star at the trading deadline and we have enough depth to get us to that point. Right?
Right?
I’ll keep telling myself this in order to maintain my sanity.
by dbaltman on Jun 12, 2008 12:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs will be fine
Sure, it stinks, but there’s enough depth to carry the Cubs through. Of all the main men, Sori is the one you can most afford to lose.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he came back sooner than the end of July. He’ll have the splint on for three weeks. We’ll see what it looks like afterward.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 12, 2008 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We always got told
That Wood and Prior coming back around the deadline was like picking up an all-star. Its horrible logic, unless we also pick up an all star.
by patron on Jun 12, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lineup thoughts now that Soriano's done
Against LHPs Against RHPs
Johnson CF Fontenot 2B
Theriot SS Theriot SS
Lee 1B Lee 1B
Ramirez 3B Ramirez 3B
Fukudome RF Fukudome RF
Soto C Soto C
DeRosa LF Edmonds CF
Cedeno 2B DeRosa LF
Bench-
Blanco-as needed to spell Geo
Hoffpauir-will be called up for DH help, will stay to help in LF
Murton-will be called up for LF help during interleague
Hart-sent down to minors for extended stay
Gallagher-sent down to minors until 6/29
by Jaydee1978 on Jun 12, 2008 12:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
a million times no to Johnson and Fontenot leading off. I'd rather have Theriot up there than that.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jun 12, 2008 6:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are not...
...going to send down Gallagher.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 12, 2008 6:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure its been discussed..
but there is a LH on base machine power bat that plays LF…...
the 5000 pound elephant in the room… if it isnt discussed its just silly…
no to sending gallagher down
"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"
by fischisgod on Jun 12, 2008 1:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to assume...
...you’re referring to Bonds. I say that the elephant isn’t in the room, it’s far away and nobody is giving it any consideration and rightly so. Soriano’s not dead, he’s just out for a month or so. If they signed Bonds they’d have to deal with: 1) a media circus, 2) a soon-to-be 44 yr old guy that might get hurt at any time and 3) can barely play the field anymore, 4) a big contract cause Barry won’t play for the minimum even if he thinks it’d be fun to be a Cub, 5) an inevitably poisonous atmosphere in the clubhouse when Soriano comes back and somebody has to sit and 6) that nagging sense of moral ambiguity.
Nope, it’s a bad idea. Bonds could be a productive DH but that’s the only scenario in which a team could reasonably consider signing him and, despite a few upcoming interleague games, the Cubs don’t fit that bill.
Although, on the plus side, Kerry Wood might get the chance to destroy a fancy recliner, the remains of which would look nice in his trophy room next to Sosa’s old boombox….nah, it’s still a bad idea.
Now, moving on…
by LaddieRenfroe on Jun 12, 2008 2:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be mad
Until he hit one onto Waveland. Then I’d feel dirty and mad, and hope it didn’t help us win. Fooey!
"I tell you, Steve Blass, you pitch me inside, they never, never find that ball."
-Roberto Clemente
by cubbybear on Jun 12, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Platoon?
One option would be a platoon with some combination of Hoffpauir/Patterson as the lefty and Murton/DeRosa as the righty. As they’ll now be calling up two position players, this option is worth considering, at the very least.
I can’t find Hoffpauir’s minor-league platoon splits prior to this season and those are too small a sample (62 total ABs, 19 vs LHP) to give any indication of well he hits lefties. From the little I’ve seen of him, he strikes me as a dead pull hitter and thus likely to have problems against left-handed pitching.
Even such a platoon seems attractive on the surface, can Hoffpauir handle left field? He’s a career .890 fielder (!) in the outfield in the minors, although much of that damage was done several years ago. Presumably, he’s gotten better but the rap on him has always been that his only real positions are either first base or DH. Anybody know more?
Another option would be to give Patterson a shot as the lefty half of a platoon, which would add more speed to the lineup and probably not be as terrifying as having to watch Hoffpauir stagger around out there. Patterson’s platoon split has been pretty pronounced this season, with a .295 OBP against lefties and .380 vs righties.
And there’s always Jason Dubois…okay, I’m kidding about that one.
by LaddieRenfroe on Jun 12, 2008 2:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Play the hot hand.....
Murton, DeRo, Johnson, even the Hoff. Platoon it out.
But if DeRo does play extended time in left, you HAVE to get Cedeno in there instead of Fontenot.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 12, 2008 6:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tough break
My disdain for Alfonso Soriano is well documented. That being said it stinks to have him go down with a significant injury. Hand injuries are always tricky and the recovery timetable far from certainty. Just ask Derrek Lee.
This should mean a lot more playing time for Ronny Cedeno as I imagine Mark DeRosa will see loads of playing time in left field.
The Cubs have been riding the crest of good luck. Now a key player goes down with injury for several months. This is what tests the character of good ballclubs.
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 12, 2008 8:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Derrek Lee did not
have a hand injury. He broke his wrist. There is a huge difference.
by sue369 on Jun 12, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
And my thoughts and prayers by the way for the weather-ravaged people of Iowa. We have friends in the state who are directly impacted by what has happened so far.
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 12, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point
it’s hard to find anyone who is not impacted by the storms we have had. I have family members who have been impacted by the high water levels. It’s really pretty devastating.
by sue369 on Jun 12, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Midwest has been target practice so far....
DEROSA: How did it feel when you're sitting in Baton Rouge and it came across the ticker that Mark DeRosa had just signed to play second base with the Chicago Cubs.
THERIOT: In all honestly, when I saw it, I really felt like punching you right in the mouth and or breaking your leg.
by EJThunder on Jun 12, 2008 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
two more words
under indictment
"You get one extra flare a week -- just one -- a gork, a ground ball with eyes, a dying quail -- just one more dying quail a week and you're in Yankee Stadium!"
-- Crash Davis
by mlf on Jun 12, 2008 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say
Suck it up! Put a band-aid on it and get back in the lineup! Guess hack hitter!!
But seriously, we should be fine. Were a scrappy ballclub. It sucks because were on the road for most of the next month….. One game at a time.
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on Jun 12, 2008 9:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sori
Will be back in late July around the same time that C.C. Sabathia makes his first start in a Cubs uniform.
Until then – look for Derrek Lee to pull out of his funk and Ramirez to go nuts – we haven’t had his patented 3 week beatdown where he hits .450.
by wnielsen on Jun 12, 2008 10:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait
I actually think Soto will start crushing the ball, too. DLee, I think, will be good in the next few days. He’s been hitting the ball deep, but making outs anyways. Aramis is saving his ju ju for September. When he and Soriano can take us on their backs….
"I tell you, Steve Blass, you pitch me inside, they never, never find that ball."
-Roberto Clemente
by cubbybear on Jun 12, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
logical thinking about Soriano
sure, they might say 6 weeks, but you can almost guarantee him taking another 2 weeks or more to get his timing back, and at least another full month till he actually looks comfortable swinging the bat. Don’t rush him, and don’t expect a miracle.
by siwook on Jun 12, 2008 10:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thats true..
but based on that right there we’re looking at a Soriano that should be hitting his stride in Sept. Not a horrible month to start getting into the groove.. Maybe he’ll put on a show in Sept/Oct like he did in May. If he does that then maybe this injury is a blessing!!
"Go Cubs Go"
by mkcubs21 on Jun 12, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we can avoid his cold spots, and get his hot ones
That would be nice. Unfortunate injury, but we’re going to be just fine. Especially with Cabbage Patch in left.
Matt Murton, age 8
"I tell you, Steve Blass, you pitch me inside, they never, never find that ball."
-Roberto Clemente
by cubbybear on Jun 12, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time to call Barry Bonds!!
Joking People!!
Can't wait for the Cubs in '08!!!
by fuzzycubfan on Jun 12, 2008 2:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
outfield
1st let me say this.murton is done.pinella does not want this guy on the team.i know this was,nt fonzie,s fault,but 6 more years of this.would have hurt more to lose lee or ramirez.we know how long it took lee to get back to normal after his injury.im not saying fonzie is not important.this will hurt as he was heating up.we,ll see what the next 6 weeks bring
by NOMAR on Jun 15, 2008 9:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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