Burnett Refuses to back down from talk about the Cubs
This comes from the Toronto Star.
http://www.thestar.com/Sports/Baseball/article/443988
"Blue Jays fireballer A.J. Burnett may have talked his way out of town even before the opt-out clause in his contract takes effect after this season. Burnett insisted he was simply being honest when quoted in the Chicago Sun-Times yesterday as being receptive to an opportunity to play in a baseball-mad city like Chicago. I don't really care about how the fans take it," Burnett said. "If they won't read the part where I said where I'm at in my mind (focused on Toronto), whatever. I'm a Blue Jay now and I'm a Blue Jay until they tell me otherwise. I'm proud of that."
I guess I am left feeling pretty divided about this. On one hand it makes me a little giddy that a guy like Burnett blatantly says that he would love to come to Chicago.
But on the other hand, reading further into the article in a start Burnett got shelled and he left the field mocking the fans by tipping his cap to them. Is this a guy we even want around our team chemistry? Maddux has never done anything even remotely close to this on a mound, but Zambrano hasn't exactly been the most classy player to grace the sacred ground at Wrigley.
Like we have all said, if a guy like Burnett can help us win a championship then I have no problem bringing him over to the Friendly Confines. Curious as how other are perceiving his situation as it continues to develope.
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I'd take A.J. Burnett in a nanosecond
If the Cubs want to solidify their playoff chances then acquisition of a primetime starting pitcher is imperative. A.J. Burnett would look awfully good in the Cub rotation pitching behind Carlos Zambrano.
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 16, 2008 12:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
aj burnett has the stuff to dominate anytime he takes the mound. in the NL, and re-focused with the current best team in baseball one can imagine him turning it on bigtime. would love this move if the cubs make it.
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by kylejo on Jun 16, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he EATS INNINGS, which will help Marmolade
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by dtpollitt on Jun 16, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He eats innings?
I think we need to work on a new definition of innings-eater. Burnett has only topped 180 IP twice in his career. Don’t get me wrong – I’d love to have him. But he’s not what I’d call an innings-eater.
by SouthernCub on Jun 16, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
Apparently, MDBNIU would like to get an entire pitching staff full of injury-prone guys.
Me, I’ll stick with what we have, because they’re winning.
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by Al on Jun 16, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong
You can think what you want Al. Me? My head tells me a starting rotation to include Ryan Dempster, Ted Lilly, Jason Marquis and a green Sean Gallagher isn’t good enough come September and October baseball. The mission is simple—win a World Series. If the starting pitching isn’t there to do that (and it’s not) then going after a blue chip pitching talent like A.J. Burnett or Rich Harden is what needs to happen.
Rich Harden !! 8 starts, 3-0, 47 IP, 58 Ks, 2.85 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 16, 2008 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're not addressing Al's point.
That is, Harden is perenially injured. And, of course, Marquis and Gallagher more than likely won’t be in the picture in October anyway.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 16, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ummmm...have you compared our staff to others?
We seem to be pretty good. Harden ISN’T the solution to a solid top 3 rotation, MDBNIU. It has been pointed out to you in terms of statistics, DL, cost that the A’s would demand and just general terms a first grader could understand. The mission is to win the World Series EVERY year, not just this year. I’m curious…..do you think we could make a trade with the Phils, say Marquis and Theriot for Utley and Rollins? The Phillie’s consideration of such a trade is as ridiculous a thought as the Cubs getting Harden from the A’s…
by crazymountain on Jun 16, 2008 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Notice MDBNIU didn't mention Zambrano.
Wonder why?
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by Al on Jun 16, 2008 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zambrano
Zambrano is a given. We all know that he is a 1a, but our 1a lost to someone else’s 1a last October. That is going to happen. I think, and I dont want to speak for MDBNIU, he meant that our 2nd option should be far more reliable, or better, than Lilly or Demp. Demp has been great, but Demp hasnt proven to me or anyone else, that he can win on the road or pitch like he has for 6 months.
Harden and Burnett are injured a lot, but there are other options out there that will help.
Tell me honestly. If it was us and the Dbacks again this October, would you prefer Dempster or Lilly vs. their #2 (Dan Haren), or would you rather see Burnett or Harden? I am aware that Lilly and the Cubs beat Haren back in April, but I would rather increase our odds a tad with one of them, rather than hope Demp (who hasnt started for an entire season since his Marlins days) or Lilly (who is a little less than dependable this season).
by louslovechild on Jun 16, 2008 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This year's different from last year.
Remember, the Cubs swept Arizona in May—and the D’backs don’t look so dominant right now, do they?
I like this pitching staff and they are getting more consistent. Burnett and Harden are as likely to be on the DL as on a pitching staff by September.
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by Al on Jun 17, 2008 6:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
He has a lot of good years under his belt and I believe he can be a leader.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jun 16, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, you and fndr5 posted a fanpost on this topic...
...at exactly the same time. 11:51 am. So who’s gonna blink?
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 16, 2008 12:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
AJ Burnett is a huge pitching improvement
granted that he stays healthy throughout the season and hopefully the postseason as well. He’s also a cheaper option than someone like Rich Harden, who Billy Beane is asking a fortune for. He’s got great stuff and I would love it if he came to Chicago.
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by deepthoughtsbyjackhandey on Jun 16, 2008 12:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Stop talking about Maddux
We do not want him back, we have enough 3-4 spot in the rotation pitchers, he will never be a number 2 pitcher again, sorry.
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by CubsBall2202 on Jun 16, 2008 12:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nobody's asking to have him back for that reason.
If you don’t understand now the reasons many of us would like Maddux back, you never will.
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by Al on Jun 16, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's true.
Sentimentality is hard for people on the outside to understand.
by Wreckard on Jun 16, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sentimentality doesn't win games.
Acquiring a pitcher for sentimental reasons is horribly irresponsible. The Cubs are trying to win the World Series, not write a happy ending to Greg Maddux’s career.
by kanderber on Jun 16, 2008 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about doing both?
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by Al on Jun 16, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to see both
But I don’t see Greg Maddux as an upgrade to this team. His numbers away from Petco (and away from the cavernous NL West stadiums if you want to look even closer) the last couple years are pretty terrible.
by kanderber on Jun 16, 2008 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thought i'd post a response in this thread too
Maddux coming back to me is a segue to him taking over for Rothschild (in my head). I can’t imagine a more knowledgeable pitcher in the game who could contribute both on and off the field. And he deserves to win one here.
by fndr5 on Jun 17, 2008 3:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes I wouldn't mind having him back as say a 4 or 5 starter to replace marquis
but what’s the price of getting maddux and will we still be able to get a top tier pitcher after that.
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by CubsBall2202 on Jun 16, 2008 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bring on Burnett
We need Burnett, especially since Marquis is so unpredictable. But getting Burnett probably won’t happen since the Jays will be wanting too much in return. Go CUB!
by The Raf-Man Love the CUB! on Jun 16, 2008 12:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would rather get, ahem, Sabathia as well.
And let’s hope the Cubs don’t use that sobriquet when communicating with his agent.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 16, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always called him
Chocolate Cake Sabathia. I would love to have him though I doubt it will happen. That division is so nutty anything could happen.
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by MorePiePlease on Jun 16, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I would rather have
Sabathia .. a rotation of Zambrano-Burnett-Lilly-Dempster-Gallagher would be excellent!
As long as Hendry doesn’t trade Gallagher I’m happy .. trade anybody in the farm, but do not trade Gallagher.
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by Unique on Jun 16, 2008 12:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But what if we can get Rich Harden?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 16, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Had to spin the See 'n Say, didn'tcha?
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 16, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is this Rich Harden you speak of?
Can anyone tell me about him?
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by neverAcquiesce on Jun 16, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and long rests at the local retirement facility.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 16, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walks on the beach, quiet nights in front of the fire.....
by crazymountain on Jun 16, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...and gettin' caught in the rain!
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 16, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greinke
If I get to choose any of the pitchers rumored to be on the market, the one I want is Zack Greinke: 3.48 ERA, 1.30 WHIP, no injury-worries, a fresh arm, 24 years old, and we’ll have him under control for more than just half a year.
And the dream scenario is to find a way to get Greinke and Maddux on the same team (but not totally a dream because if we need two pitchers something has gone wrong somewhere).
by DGU on Jun 16, 2008 12:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it will happen
The Royals won’t give up Greinke for the same reasons we’d like to have him-young and under contract for longer than half a year. Plus, trading him would be like waving the white flag, and the Royals are trying to give the impression that they want to win sooner rather than later. Trading your ace is not a good way to send that message to the fans.
by Tate491 on Jun 16, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everybody has their price though.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Jun 16, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually read something the other day
that said the pitcher the Royals WILL NOT part with is Meche. It was something about the Cubs having interest in trading for Meche(rumors of course) and Meche saying it wouldn’t happen because of his NTC. Then the Royals GM saying that they wouldn’t be able to make their run in ‘10 without Meche. I have heard of no such support for Greinke from the Royals. IMO, he would be the guy to go after if he became availabe.
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by MorePiePlease on Jun 16, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greinke is turning back into a pumpkin
ERA
April May June
1.25 4.39 6.00
by Wreckard on Jun 16, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greinke is going through the same ebbs and flows that all players do.
He’s still a top-notch pitcher.
by DGU on Jun 16, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to see where Greinke is on the market
People keep bringing him up but I’ve never seen anything that says the Royals are shopping him.
by rlpete on Jun 16, 2008 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do not view Burnett as a true ace...
So if we trade for him, I hope he doesn’t command an “ace” type bounty in return. He has never won more than 12 games in a season (he should this season however) and always has an ERA in the high 3’s.
Looks like a solid #2.
by smitster2008 on Jun 16, 2008 1:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Getting to the playoffs
Burnett could possibly help with this, but I don’t see how he improves us that much for a playoff run since you really only need 3 starters. Unlike others, I don’t see him as a solid #2. Between him and Lilly it is basically a toss up (except Lilly is less likely to get injured) and Dempster has outpitched both of them.
If we could get him relatively cheap, I would do it but I wouldn’t give up much.
by madeindetroit on Jun 16, 2008 1:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
In Burnett's defense...
Z did something very similar last year after fans gave him a hard time about a bad start, and we all still love Big Z and wouldn’t ever say he was a bad influence in the clubhouse.
I’m not saying I’m in love with the idea of Burnett, just something to think about.
by jbgindy on Jun 16, 2008 2:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I saw Burnett at Wrigley...
a few years ago when he was with the Marlins. He wasn’t pitching that day, but he was in the outfield shagging flys and long tossing. Rumor then was that the Cubs might be after him later that year or as a FA.
Burnett started out acting like what I thought to be a complete jackass – throwing balls over the bleachers onto the street, etc. Just toward the end of BP, he came out on the RF line and dumped a bucket of balls out on the ground. he then proceeded to throw them into the bleachers to fans. He then walked into the grounds crew storage under the bleachers and 10 minutes later was sitting in the bleachers signing autographs.
Either he’s a pretty cool guy or a complete egomaniac…..you decide.
by MSCub on Jun 16, 2008 4:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ah...
I dunno about Burnett. I think the Cubs could do better going out and getting somebody else. Besides, he could have kept his opinions to himself, and if he wanted to leave, he could have just told his GM to trade him. He didn’t need to turn it into something public. I do wonder if his “makeup” isn’t right for this team.
by TheHawkRules on Jun 16, 2008 4:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Besides...
I want to add that he makes how much this season? 13 million? He’s only averaged 10 wins over the last two seasons. I wouldn’t want to pay that much when Lieber prolly could do the same thing, just much cheaper.
by TheHawkRules on Jun 16, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wins? You're judging his performance on wins?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 16, 2008 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah! You're right!
I don’t really love his ERA either… especially this year.
by TheHawkRules on Jun 16, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His K/BB ratio is nice...
but he gives up too many HR’s. He’s a big injury risk, and is relatively expensive. If Toronto wants to eat salary, then maybe. I’m highly skeptical that Hendry really wants him.
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by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 16, 2008 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
amen
You’re preaching it the way I like it bro. Keep it up!
by TheHawkRules on Jun 16, 2008 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Burnett did show loyalty to Toronto. But...
he knows the team is cleaning house and he’ll probably be gone before the season’s over. Burnett was asked about Chicago and he favored the Cubs as an alternative to go play for. That’s all.
He would be an improvement over Gallagher, for example, and whether a trade for him would be worth it depends on what it costs the Cubs. I agree with MDBNIU that the Cubs need a starter (and perhaps a reliever too, down the road if Lou keeps burning the arms of a few of those who are now in the bullpen) to be favorites to win it all in October.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 16, 2008 5:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would love to have Burnett.....
provided we get CC first and AJ doesn’t cost a lot. The Indians have spent an awful lot of resources scouting our guys, major and minors. As I said between Matlock updates on the game post, I think Shapiro has already talked to Hendry. And, I don’t think Jim would pull the trigger UNLESS a long term deal was already on the board with CC. Burnett would be fine, if he is cheap, as his injury history is unsettling. That being said, I think that, above all, we keep Gallagher. IF we get a signed CC, Burnett looks really good in the pinstripes…
by crazymountain on Jun 16, 2008 6:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No to Burnett, he's a clubhouse cancer
signed,
Jim Edmonds haters
Before Edmonds: 24-16, (.600); With Edmonds: 21-9 (.700)
Edmonds with Cubs: .309 / .342 / .515
by joeschmitt on Jun 16, 2008 8:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't look now but....
I heard on the local sports radio this morning that the Yankees have their eyes on CC. I’d certainly prefer him over any of the other alternatives discussed on this thread.
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by Cubfansince1957 on Jun 16, 2008 8:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
they don't have the young talent that we have to offer in trade, do they?
plus, all else being equal, cleveland would much rather help us than their AL rival.
Before Edmonds: 24-16, (.600); With Edmonds: 21-9 (.700)
Edmonds with Cubs: .309 / .342 / .515
by joeschmitt on Jun 16, 2008 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
can you be a bit more specific on which "young talent" you'd trade?
in other words, are you willing to trade some legitimate talent or the usual collection of Murton, Hill, Pie, Cedeno, et al. that are usually mentioned here in trade scenarios.
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by ballhawk on Jun 16, 2008 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dunno
i leave that to the experts. just saying i was under the impression we had more to offer than the yankees.
Before Edmonds: 24-16, (.600); With Edmonds: 21-9 (.700)
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by joeschmitt on Jun 17, 2008 3:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to the imaginary trade department!
Cubs get:
SP Tim Lincecum
Giants get:
SS Ryan Theriot
CF Felix Pie
SP Donald Veal
SP Jeff Samardzija
That would totally happen, right?
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by northsider on Jun 16, 2008 9:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, they might win the west....
by crazymountain on Jun 16, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
from Theriot alone
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by northsider on Jun 16, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe if the trade from the Giant's side went:
SP Tin Lincecum
GM Brian Sabean
Sabean would need to get himself outta town after that one.
I do wish he was a storied former Cub, a la McHale and West in the NBA…maybe we can steal some talent from the Dodgers.
by jbau on Jun 16, 2008 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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