"Steinbrenner: NL Needs to Grow Up" HUH???
by Tater01 on Jun 16, 2008 8:54 PM CDT
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PrintSomewhat off-topic for here, but as mostly NL fans, I wondered what opinions we had on this issue...personally, I know I speak for a lot of my friends when I say Hank can go crawl under his rock. AL pitchers should hit just like NL just like all pitchers growing up do. This idea of not hitting the pitcher is bupkus...
http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/06/16/hank-steinbrenner-thinks-the-national-league-needs-to-grow-up/
Posted Jun 16th 2008 9:00PM by Will Brinson
It is pretty likely that Hank Steinbrenner is frustrated at this point in the season. Just as the Yankees start to heat up and make a run at a David Ortiz-less Boston team, they lose Chien-Ming Wang for the next 10-12 weeks (and that's minimum). Of course, that doesn't mean he has to go and bash the Senior Circuit. But he does anyway.
'My only message is simple. The National League needs to join the 21st century,' Steinbrenner said in Tampa, Fla. 'They need to grow up and join the 21st century.
'Am I (mad) about it? Yes,' Steinbrenner added. 'I've got my pitchers running the bases, and one of them gets hurt. He's going to be out. I don't like that, and it's about time they address it. That was a rule from the 1800s.'
Who is this guy?? This is something even Big Stein wouldn't say; say what you want about his dad being a nutcase, but at least George had media savvy and never came off like Rod Farva when he got angry.
Sure, depending on what team you like and your thoughts on baseball, you might believe that the DH is either a) good or b) bad. Sometimes you hear people say "Gosh, I'm glad that the American League pitchers don't have to hit" or "Wow. I wish the American League would adhere more to the tradition of baseball and let pitchers hit."
You almost never hear a psychotic rant about the National League, and it's archaic ability to make sure that these ... gasp ... professional athletes are actually, you know, performing to their athletic ability by actually playing the game. I guarantee you if Hank had Micah Owings on his team he wouldn't feel that way either.
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Sorry, I'm a bit confused. What parts did you write, and what came from Will?
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
LOL even the picture made the ctrl+c / ctrl+v
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
"VS: Steinbrenner needs to shut up"
Sadly, we share the same opinion regarding the NL – it should adopt the DH. But Baby George’s act has already gotten old.
VORPy
Why have a DH?
Damn, why not designated runners also? The DH is NOT baseball. Baseball is for all around athletes. Maybe the AL teams should make their pitchers get in shape, act like athletes instead of specialized machines.
by crazymountain on Jun 16, 2008 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
In softball they allow one pinch runner every inning
by Texas Wahoo on Jun 16, 2008 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't like that, either
If you play the field, you bat. If you bat and get a hit. you run your own bases.
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College softball rules
In college softball, they have a substitution/re-entry rule. That is that any player may be subbed, then re-entered once. This leads to inane situations where pitchers can come in to save their own win. More often, it means that big, slow, fat players who can’t run are replaced on the basepaths with tiny, quick sprites who can’t hit. It’s a scoring nightmare and slows the game down ridiculously.
My favorite, though, is the designated player/pitcher rule. A team will make the lineup with the DP (not the DH) in the lineup and the “pitcher” batting in the “10th” position. Then, right before the game, after the lineups are submitted but before the game starts, they will switch the DP and the pitcher’s positions. So, essentially, you have the DP batting in the 10 spot, which means that they don’t actually bat until such a time that the coach wants to sub them in. It is confusing and another reason that I really don’t enjoy working softball games.
That said, pitchers should bat. The game should reward the all-around athlete, not hide the flaws of the merely “OK”. Carlos Zambrano, Micah Owings and Jason Marquis are better than their pitching counterparts who can’t hit.
In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this -Oysterband
" Baseball is for all around athletes"
The sort of eliminates the great majority of pitchers. Very, very few of them can hit. DHs are no worse fielders than pitchers are hitters.
VORPy
by VS on Jun 17, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
And David Wells,
John Kruk, Terry Forster…
This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
by HectorVillanueva on Jun 17, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
No one has told me why everyone rips on MDBNIU on here, did he sleep with someone's wife or something?
Svelte
by ryanbrixenivy on Jun 17, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
search his posts
and you’ll figure it out pretty quickly.
"Dad gum right this games gonna be played under protest. . . I guarantee this is gonna be one protest that's upheld." --Hawk Harrelson, 6/24/07
Do a search and read 10 of his comments...
he’s a pompous broken record when it comes to his opinions about baseball. The flack he gets around here is mostly deserved, but don’t ask him a question…you’ll be hard pressed to get an answer.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 17, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
or Hammers (me)
Ronnie Woo Woo comparison.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
And HWSNBN...
... was at the Hall of Fame game.
I mean, seriously. Who pays this idiot’s way to Cooperstown? He should have been stranded there.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
He added a nice tone to the Banks statue dedication....
My dad and I wanted nothing more than NOT to hear anything Ernie said rather…Ernie-Woo-Banks-Woo-Ernie-Woo-Banks- Woo…
How does that make you feel?
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 18, 2008 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions
If you didn't play college ball, you won't understand
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Rather than make you search...
his posts are repetitive, annoying, boastful, uninformed, unecessarily cocky, and he always tells us how him playing college baseball for a second allows him to discredit the majority of opinions here at BCB…in a nutshell.
How does that make you feel?
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 18, 2008 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Lowbrow baseball
It’s not just the pitchers actual at bats, it’s all about the managerial strategy. AL baseball is just a lowbrow version of the original game. Let’s do away with the 35+ year experiment of the DH as it’s clearly affected the integrity of the game. What, our pitchers can’t be asked to be athletic any more?
What strategy?
Most managers go by the book anyways, so it’s not like there’s really any great chess match being played out.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
He is being discussed on BB tonight right now
Pyscho path…
Like his old man, it’s all about the Yankees. Maybe if his pitchers were complete athletes they wouldn’t have that issue.
Kruk is labeling Hank on BB Tonight.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
Good discussion
I though Buster played it a bit safe perhaps because he wants to preserve a connection for rumors and trades and such. Singleton and Krul said it like it is. I think Kruky said “Gimme a break”. They compared it to complaining about the weather. What an absolute baby! Real baseball, since the beginning, has had all players hitting. What a laugh to claim AL baseball is the real baseball.
Past players would laugh this statement off since they are the ones who made this game what it is. Not the DH.
How does that make you feel?
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 17, 2008 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Listening to Baseball Tonight
Even they are saying how much of an idiot Hank is…..
That’s saying alot.
I'm laughing...
...ah, don’t let it bug you too much. Hank is just now learning about this beautiful game of baseball. In fact, or former catcher, their current manager, recently explained to Hank why the hitter, after hitting the ball, runs to first instead of third. Hank thought he was onto something when the personal overheard him yelling from his nifty owners booth to “run to third! You’d be closer to scoring ya moron!”
Give the guy some time… Remember when you where like 5 and had to learn all of the rules in t-ball? That’s where Hank is, T-ball… hey, in fact, maybe next time some pitcher has a large number of strike outs against the Yanks, maybe he’ll whine about how they had it right in t-ball and that if they get rid of pitchers, it will save owner millions of dollars. Hey yeah… then maybe some of these teams will make a profit… hey yeah… and….
ah, blah. Who cares. Hanks a Ham.
Hank seems to be an absolute SPOILED BRAT!
I hope he runs daddy’s team into the ground
"I never drink water because of the disgusting things fish do in it" -W.C. Fields
Remember those Yanks of the late 80's? Early 90's?
...Could you imagine that ever happening again? I couldn’t under Hank’s daddy. But maybe Hank himself… suuuuure.
by TheHawkRules on Jun 17, 2008 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I hate the DH..
..because it takes away so much strategy from the game. I like the fact that teams in the NL have to decide whether or not to burn an arm out of the bullpen when the pitcher’s spot is due up in the next half inning. Not to mention, there would be much less sacrifice bunts, which would eliminate a lot of the small ball I like so much.
I say, leave the DH in the AL; that way, guys like Frank Thomas and other mediocre defensive playing power hitters can prolong their careers.
"I never drink water because of the disgusting things fish do in it" -W.C. Fields
I have a question, How do the pitcher get to the mound in the AL?
I think he has to put one foot in front of the other and walk like the rest of us, and if I am not mistaken that is the way people run as well, including around bases.
This is just stupid, next thing you know, no stairs or something else crazy.
Who am I to judge myself.
I think...
the whole baseball world would rather Hank put a sock in it (though ESPN probably loves having another story to run). The points have already been noted about lack of athleticism, strategy, etc but what about the DHs themselves? David Ortiz is awful in the field and would only be able to play 1B. Miguel Cabrera ate his way off the field. It’s a joke. It’s like having a designated free-throw shooter in basketball.
On as side note, where the Zambrano love? Why only mention Micah Owings when Big Z has and .873 OPS and 24 total bases versus a .631 OPS and 17 total bases for Owings?
In a slow BB day, Hank is a gift to BB commentators.
What a stupid and selfish comment. Your pitchers are supposed to know how to run and step on the bases, Hank. Don’t blame the rules because one of your players suffered a freak injury. It happens. Learn from it. Suck it in.
i think
that ol hank needs to worry more about getting a better return for his investment!!
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One reason Maddux blew off the Yankees in 92
When they offered him MILLIONS more than the Braves is that he loves to bat
and considers it the most fun part of the game. They wined him and dined him in NYC but he went to the Braves ( I don’t think he likes NYC as place to play anyway) where he could be a baseball PLAYER not just a pitcher. To this day he spends hours every week practicing bunts and taking BP. I would have loved to see Hank trying to court Z and explaining he would not have to bother himself with hitting.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 16, 2008 10:51 PM CDT reply actions
How the Steinbrenner's mow their lawn....
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 16, 2008 11:11 PM CDT reply actions
Is that my dad?
... Nah, it looks like a Cardinals fan.
by TheHawkRules on Jun 17, 2008 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe .. Maybe .. It worked ..
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
Rumor has it...
... there are other Red Sox artifacts buried there that the Yankees don’t know about.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Has anyone seen Buckner recently?
Did you think to kill me? There's no flesh or blood within this cloak to kill. There's only an idea. Ideas are bulletproof.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 17, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
To steal a line...
...from either Steve Stone or the awesome George Will (and please forgive me for paraphrasing):
The first rule of the official rules of baseball begins “Baseball is a game between two teams of nine players each…” which means I have no idea what the American League is doing.
I’m surprised Hank doesn’t want to go back to the 20th Century…you know, when the Yankees actually WON World Series?
Hank Steinbrenner will never win a world championship
He is worse than his father
"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.
Just dont ask Hank
if he wants a liter-o-cola.
(Liter is French for “give me some F’ing cola before I break your F’ing legs!!!”)
I think my favorite uncle was Uncle Caveman. We called him that because he lived in a cave and would eat one of us. We then realized he was a bear.
by deepthoughtsbyjackhandey on Jun 17, 2008 12:52 AM CDT reply actions
He's whiney.
The BBTN guys said “if a yankee slipped in shower would he ask for the water to be turned off in the stadiums around the majors?”
if the bbtn crew gets on a guy from the east coast, you know you’ve hit a low.
He’s just upset that they’re fielding a team of senior citizens, ignore him. :-P
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 17, 2008 2:18 AM CDT reply actions
Where-will-it-all-end dept.
Steinbrenner understates the case. Its not just pitchers. Hitters are also at risk. When Soriano went down injured in left field, Hendry COULD have said:
‘Am I mad about it? Yes, I’ve got my hitters playing out in the field, and now one of them gets hurt. He’s going to be out. I don’t like that, and it’s about time they address it. That was a rule from the 1800s.
‘People come to the ballpark to see Soriano at bat. That’s what he does. There might be some perverse pleasure these ‘purists’ get from seeing him floundering out in the field, but this is professional baseball. The public wants to see professional pitchers pitching to professional hitters, backed up by professional fielders.
‘These hitters spend years learning to hit major league pitching, and it can all be ruined by an injury picked up trying to catch the damn ball. That’s ridiculous. This is the 21st century!’
Or not.
Well played.
Sometimes I feel like saying ”:AM I mad about Soriano having to play LF rather than just hit? YES”
How does that make you feel?
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 17, 2008 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Not exactly the same thing
Fonzie’s [everyday] job is to play of the OF. AL pitchers everyday job is not running bases. HOWEVER, an athlete should be conditioned well enough to run a lousy 350-400’ without pulling up lame.
That doesn’t say much for their conditioning ‘experts’ and pitching coach. Guess this guy doesn’t need his legs too much to pitch….yeah right.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
Doesn't matter...
the game of baseball includes pitchers hitting and running the bases.
On the other side, anyone else can say get with the GAME OF BASEBALL AL! Have your pitchers be the athletes pitchers have always had to be prior to the DH rule.
How does that make you feel?
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 18, 2008 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh that wasn't you AL...it was the American League.
How does that make you feel?
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 18, 2008 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Actual photo from Hanks press conference.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Huh.
I kind of figured he’d look like the dreaded red X.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Dammit.
It was supposed to be a crying baby
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
I thought the red x was quite funny!
How does that make you feel?
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 17, 2008 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Close.
The red circle with a diagonal line means “I ain’t ‘fraid a no ghost.”
Did you think to kill me? There's no flesh or blood within this cloak to kill. There's only an idea. Ideas are bulletproof.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 17, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 17, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Did you think to kill me? There's no flesh or blood within this cloak to kill. There's only an idea. Ideas are bulletproof.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 17, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
NO NO NO!
The red circle with a line through it ALSO has that super spooky ghost image inside.
CMON!
How does that make you feel?
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 17, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
POOR YANKEES!!
I AM REALLY GETTING TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT THOSE DAMN YANKEES AND ALL THEIR PROBLEMS. THAT IS ALL THAT HAS BEEN ON SPORTS CENTER SINCE WANG GOT HURT. They did a 2 minute report on Sori’s injury and have had two complete shows dedicated to a pitcher who hurt himself running the bases. What else do they do??? I have been to Cubs games and what do you see the entire 2 hours before the game starts?...Pitchers running in the out field! And some ESPN “analist” said running and running bases are different. HUH? It’s not like he was stealing 2nd or legging out a triple, he scored from second on a base hit to right field. My 10 year old could do that! If you watch you can see he is not on a dead sprint and is just running. If he cant do that then he needs to work out a little more. And as far as Hank and his comments, do you expect any less from a Yankee and from an AL team who sucks right now.
Damn Yankees?
I love that song “High Enough”!!!
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What's not love about a SUPERGROUP~!
Did you think to kill me? There's no flesh or blood within this cloak to kill. There's only an idea. Ideas are bulletproof.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 17, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
wtf?
‘I’ve got my pitchers running the bases, and one of them gets hurt. He’s going to be out. I don’t like that, and it’s about time they address it. That was a rule from the 1800s.’
Did someone forget to tell him that almost all of the rules were created in the 1800’s? Just a thought
And that the DH
is from the 70s or so. Hank is an idiot!
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
Yeah, that just a dumb statement all around.
Either it impugns all baseball rules, solely on the basis of the date of institution, which is silly, or it displays Hank’s profound ignorance, as the DH rule was instituted in 1973
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
You know
he might, MIGHT have an axe to grind if Wang got hit by a pitch. But running, nay, TROTTING the bases? He probably runs harder to get his mail. Is Steiny suggesting pitchers not try to get outs at first either, since the potential for collision with a running-full-steam batter is far greater
"And there's a...BASE HIT! Fair ball! Fontenot will score! CUBS WIN!" -Len Kasper, 5.28.08
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 17, 2008 10:18 AM CDT reply actions
Someone should explain to Hank
That the DH does nothing but bring in dumber coaches and keeps aging ballplayers playing longer. What an idiot-—-—
You dont have to account for double switches, matchups etc…..Waaaa Waaaa—-cry into your 26 trophies dumbass
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
Also
Pitchers do TWO things all the time every day of the year
1. Strenghten and use their arm
2. RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN…...whos to say he wouldnt hurt is poor foot doing windsprints before the game.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
Brenly yanked Hank's chain on the broadcast last night
Upon hearing the comment from Len that Hank thinks the NL should wise up, he said, “oh really?”. BB then went on to say if the Yankees conditioned their players to run the bases then maybe they wouldn’t get hurt. Way to go BB!
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
Loved that BB!
How does that make you feel?
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 18, 2008 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions
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