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Almost Famous: Cubs 2, Rays 3

CLEVELAND -- I missed about half of last night's 3-2 Cubs loss to the Rays, still on the road back to Chicago from Toronto and Cooperstown, but arrived at my hotel room in Cleveland (a convenient halfway stop, where I'm going to check out the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame later this morning) just in time to follow the last few innings -- where there were just about enough woulda/shoulda/coulda moments to make it a Cub win.

Didn't happen, and you both can and can't blame Reed Johnson. The bunt he laid down with two out in the 9th and the tying run on third base was, in fact, an excellent idea, and it took one of the better defensive plays by Rays 3B Evan Longoria to throw Reed out and end the game. If the play isn't made, Kosuke Fukudome -- who had to hold up at third on Troy Percival's second pitch that got away from catcher Dioner Navarro -- probably scores the tying run, or at the very least, the bases are loaded with two out.

Many of us were reminded of a play like this made by Cub whipping boy Neifi Perez on May 18, 2006 against the Nationals at Wrigley Field. There are several differences, however: first, the Cubs were trailing that game by TWO runs, not one; the tying run, therefore, was on first, not third; and Perez' bunt was a poor one, picked up right away by Chad Cordero, who made a routine play out of it and an easy out, resulting in a deserved cascade of boos for Neifi. (Look at the boxscore, too -- what a horrid lineup, and for the life of me I can't remember why Aramis Ramirez wasn't starting that day.)

You CAN blame Johnson for trying to steal third, and getting thrown out, with two out in the top of the seventh. Johnson is a standup guy, though, and takes the blame:

"That's a bad play on my part," Johnson said. "I got the green light in that situation, but with two outs and the top of the order coming [up], you have to make sure you can make it. It was a bad job on my part.

"Who knows? If I make it there, or I don't run in that situation, [Ryan] Theriot might get a hit and we have our three and four hitters up," Johnson said. "It's not a good time to get thrown out -- everybody knows the cardinal rule of getting thrown out at third base with two outs. Nobody felt worse than I did when it happened."

Incidentally, that game recap link above says that Johnson collided with Rays 1B Willy Aybar on the bunt play and was a bit shaken up.

The rest of the story of this game is: Ryan Dempster threw well enough, but threw far too many pitches (107) in five innings, and so the bullpen had to go back to its not-so-good routine of throwing half the game. Neal Cotts, who has been good so far, wasn't, allowing a solo HR to Longoria and then making a throwing error that helped lead to what proved to be the decisive third Tampa Bay run.

The good news is that the Cubs beat the guy who is Tampa Bay's best pitcher (sorry, James Shields, but Scott Kazmir is exactly that), and there are two games left in this series, and the Cubs lost the first game at Toronto before winning the next two.

I spent the morning yesterday at the Baseball Hall of Fame, and could easily have spent the entire day, or two days. There is so much to see there that I can't possibly give it justice in a simple post here. What I will say is that the Hall has been significantly improved since I last was there in 1988 -- the inside seems almost new, totally renovated; the actual "Hall of Fame", where the player plaques are, has been enlarged and is dignified and classy, and the exhibits are comprehensive and have things that you walk by and say, "Wow! That's cool that they have that," or, "Man, I remember THAT game!" If you have not gone to Cooperstown -- and you have to GO there, it's not somewhere you casually stop into, because there's no easy way to get there -- you absolutely have to go sometime in your life, it is a must-see for every baseball fan.

There is one statement that the Hall has made, perhaps without intentionally doing so (or maybe it IS intentional). They have a small gallery where career leaderboards are kept (and, according to a sign, updated weekly). There are both all-time boards and boards showing leaders among active players. The sign mentioning the weekly updates says that players on the "active" board will remain there until they have either announced their retirement or not played for a full season.

Barry Bonds is not listed on the active leaderboards, even though by the above criteria he should be. Do they know something we don't?

Onward. We'll get 'em tonight. Heading home this afternoon after seeing the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.

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as you should...

tisk, tisk…

Go Green! Go White! GO STATE! (#13031 on the Cubs season ticket waiting list...)

by Zeke on Jun 18, 2008 7:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Al, your trip

sounds exactly like the kind of a trip I would plan to take on a “perfect” vacation. Well done.

And I echo your sentiments about the BHOF. My wife and I went there in the summer of 1990. We stayed in a little B&B and walked to the HOF to spend an evening and the next day there. It was (is) an amazing place, and I too, could have spent longer there.

A must for every baseball fan.

But boy, you sure DO have to want to go there because it’s in one of the most out of the way places I’ve ever seen. Perhaps that’s what makes it even more special- it’s not just a freeway exit opportunity along with gassing up, hitting the bathroom and visiting a Stuckey’s.

Go Green! Go White! GO STATE! (#13031 on the Cubs season ticket waiting list...)

by Zeke on Jun 18, 2008 7:32 AM CDT   0 recs

Last night I was really frustrated by the bunt attempt...

...but the fog has cleared a little and I realize how incredible of a play Longoria made. He was playing back to prevent a double (which would have likley scored the go ahead run) and was able to make an incredible bare handed catch and throw to get Johnson. You just have to tip your hat.

We took a very good team to the 9th in thier park against their best pitcher and lost by one. That stuff happens.

In the game thread last night Drewishdrewid summed it up well;

last year, this loss DEVASTATES us. (I’ve spelled that right, right?) We’d see this as a terrible omen for the future. Another bad Cubbie loss.

This year, we’re pissed because we expect to win

.

by JB 23 on Jun 18, 2008 7:53 AM CDT   0 recs

+1

Last year I would have ended my evening pondering why I even listen to them sometimes. Last night I was ticked @ Johnson, but thought I’ll be happy w/ 2 outta 3.

by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 18, 2008 9:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

wow, I got quoted.

:D

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2008 10:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yesterday's Game Convinced Me

Well said, JB. Great post.

I’m a pretty jaded person. Although I’ve wanted to fully embrace the 2008 Cubs and fully believe everyone’s proclamation that “this year is special” and “this club is different”, I’ve stayed skeptical. All those years when it seemed they couldn’t miss – 2004, 2003, 1984, the first halves of 1985/1977/1973/, and of course 1969 – ended in disappointment.

BUT…last night’s loss may have convinced me. It was the first time in years (literally!) that a loss didn’t upset me. They went down fighting, and in defeat they maintained a confidence you see in teams of reckoning. Strategy wise, I was totally on board with the decision to squeeze and it darn well nearly paid off.

God willing, if we get Fonz back and he’s productive, and the rest of the club stays injury-free, and Big Jim can augment the roster at the trade deadline, we just might make it to the promised land of the Fall Classic.

by CaliCub on Jun 18, 2008 7:55 AM CDT   0 recs

Word

In the past, the Cubs go 1-2-3 in the ninth inning. This team fights to the bitter end and that makes them a pleasure to watch because you know the game isn’t over for the Cubs until their 27th out is made.

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on Jun 18, 2008 7:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

I felt the same way listening to the game on XM. I’m fine with the bunt attempt. Didn’t work THIS time, but it gives the opposition something to think about for the future.

BTW, is it just me or are the radio announcers for the Rays whiney jerks? Man, they were very hard to listen to.

Go Green! Go White! GO STATE! (#13031 on the Cubs season ticket waiting list...)

by Zeke on Jun 18, 2008 8:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not sure on that.

but on the Cubs side Dave Otto is boring. I understand that Ronnie needs to take breaks on some road series, but Otto is the best Wgn can do??

by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 18, 2008 10:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

they could have used

Dan Plesac. Would that be better? :P

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2008 10:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Milt Rosenberg

Might be more exciting than Otto.

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Jun 18, 2008 10:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

fnar fnar fnar...

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2008 12:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I kind of like Dave Otto

I think he provides what the “color” announcer is supposed to. Yeah, he’s not flashy, but so what. Then again I come from days of listening to radio play-by-play and color from the likes of Ernie Harwell, Paul Carey, George Kell and Al Kaline (Tigers) and Vince Lloyd & Lou Boudreau. Heck, I even remember Milo Hamilton…who was and still is possibly the worst announcer I have ever had to endure.

Go Green! Go White! GO STATE! (#13031 on the Cubs season ticket waiting list...)

by Zeke on Jun 18, 2008 10:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We played a good game

we’re facing some of our toughest competition of the season and even though the Cubs didn’t win they showed competitive tenacity—not a team to be taken for granted. I’m willing to bet we’ll take the win tonight.

by Emelie on Jun 18, 2008 9:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Healthy Skepticism

Yes, it’s possible that this team could lose 11 of 12 or lose 13 in a row. I don’t see that happening. I don’t like seeing Soriano hurt. The Cubs should survive this stretch playing above .500 baseball, while Sori’s out. I like this club’s chances of making the playoffs. Beyond that, the playoffs are more unpredictable than the regular season. If I was old enough to remember the 1977 collapse, I would be more skeptical. That was something. I can’t believe they finished 20 games back after being in first place in early August.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Jun 18, 2008 12:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's possible?

It’s “possible” that we could lose the next 91 in a row. That’s not happening either.

And if you were old enough to remember it (which I’m definitely not) why does that have any bearing on this year’s club? None of the players were on the 77 team. This team has way too much talent and has shown that it can deal with the injuries that come along.

by serbianking33 on Jun 18, 2008 12:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What a game

That was a weird, yet fun game. It was exciting with all of the chances the Cubs had. Would have been even more exciting had some of those chances actually materialized into runs. Gotta hand it to the Rays bullpen. Outside of Percival, it sounded like they were throwing nasty stuff all night.

I am still not sure how I feel about the bunt attempt. It certainly caught everyone by surprise and required a perfect play to get Johnson. Unfortunately, Longoria made that perfect play. At the same time, Percival was wild that whole inning and maybe he would have throw another wild pitch, or walked the next two hitter to force in the tying run. One never know. Regardless, let’s get them tonight!!

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on Jun 18, 2008 7:57 AM CDT   0 recs

Maybe Lou Thought

“considering Percival’s wildness, if we squeeze and he fields then he’ll throw it away and it’s tied”.

by CaliCub on Jun 18, 2008 8:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Correction

Lou said the squeeze was Reed’s decision.

by CaliCub on Jun 18, 2008 8:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Only Problem I have with the Bunt

is that everyone with the exception of Micah was getting good contact. Soto hit one to the wall which the lf made a great play on. Like some of you I wasn’t happy at first with the bunt. Watched the replay and was like, man… that was a great play by Longoria. If he would have got it down I would have thought it was a great play so… The thing I am most encouraged about was knocking Kazmir out (who was pitching a gem) by only getting 3 hits. They worked the counts, had good long at bats. Kaz had 100+ pitches in 4 and 2/3rds… 9 times out of 10 when you can get into the pen that early they’re going to win those games. Good game. Just came up a bunt, wild pitch, hit by Ram with bases juiced short of winning. Get em tonight big Z.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Jun 18, 2008 8:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Al, from what I hear

unless you’re in business school @ Case Western, the RRHOF is the only thing worthwhile in Cleveland. Rock On! I’d like to visit as well.

I had to look this up, but Grant Balfour, the Aussie pitcher, has a career ERA over 5.00 as a reliever. This includes a 20.00+ with the Twins before he was traded last year to the Rays. I am hoping he can recover this for the rest of the series…

by The E-Man on Jun 18, 2008 8:03 AM CDT   0 recs

I would have stopped at the (former) Jake to see a game...

... but the Tribe is out of town this week.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 18, 2008 8:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

R'n'R HOF

If I knew you were going, Al, I would’ve asked you to spread the word of my C.H.I.M.P. Campaign!

C.H.I.M.P. = Campaign to Help Induct the Monkees Promptly

by CaliCub on Jun 18, 2008 8:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I saw the "Monkees"

car from the tv series got over $150K at a car auction that was televised…

by The E-Man on Jun 18, 2008 8:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Seriously?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 18, 2008 8:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

As far as groups go,

I believe the Monkees were third in album sales in the 1960s, only behind the Beatles and Led Zeppelin. That’s saying something.

Then again, N’Sync sold a lot of records too.

This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.

by HectorVillanueva on Jun 18, 2008 8:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh yeah, the Monkees.....

a “musical” group that couldn’t even play music….hell, Stephen Stills auditioned and failed to make it…says a lot, don’t it?

by crazymountain on Jun 18, 2008 10:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

actually

they all learned to play instruments.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2008 10:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So they should be in the R and R HOF?

Methinks you be pullin’ me leg…...

by crazymountain on Jun 18, 2008 10:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

agree

but I wouldn’t argue against Michael Nesmith. And, anyone who was close friends with Douglas Adams deserves an automatic pass in my book.

by Emelie on Jun 18, 2008 10:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Why wouldn't you argue against Nesmith?

Had a nice guitar and produced a couple albums…...oh, the hat was nice too…..the Rock and Roll HOF is becoming a joke because of the inductions of the last few years…..

by crazymountain on Jun 18, 2008 10:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

to be honest

I’ve never taken the RRHOF very seriously precisely because of the inductions

by Emelie on Jun 18, 2008 10:34 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

...and Mike Nesmith's mom invented "whiteout".

AKA “liquid paper”. So there’s that!

Go Green! Go White! GO STATE! (#13031 on the Cubs season ticket waiting list...)

by Zeke on Jun 18, 2008 10:46 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You got me there!!! NESMITH FOR THE HOF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

well, kinda…..maybe even kinda sorta…....ummmm…...white out, eh? guess i gotta go think…...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! last time I thunk it was really bad…...what’s a boy to do….....confusion reigns…...

by crazymountain on Jun 18, 2008 11:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, Nesmith has actually done some pretty innovative work.

The group as a whole, though, were pretty much prefab pop. I’m not sure what exactly they did to advance the cause of rock ‘n roll. Having said that, I did love the show as a kid, and I still think that guitar part in “Valerie” is pretty damn cool.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 18, 2008 10:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

no,

I’m just saying that they can - and do - play music. And they could always sing. That’s not nothing.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2008 10:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You are right....

and I have great respect for anyone who can. After all, anyone who gets on a stage in front of strangers knows just how hard it is to do….but the HOF should be for the great ones…..after all, I have been playing music since I could sit on my grandfather’s lap. However, I do not belong in the HOF. Neither do the Monkees or Madonna. And, that is all I have to say, I am gonna go pout now…...

by crazymountain on Jun 18, 2008 10:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, actually.....

I’m an old fart and gonna go take a nap….....but I will have a pouting dream…..

by crazymountain on Jun 18, 2008 10:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree about Madonna.

Put her in the dance HOF or the pop HOF, but she’s not rock ‘n roll. And she may be the worst lyricist in the history of popular music.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 18, 2008 10:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

She's on the radio

at work as I type this.

“Open your heart, I’ll make you love me.”

Think you nailed that one, daver.

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 18, 2008 10:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And we know how much

the American public loves trainwrecks.

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 18, 2008 11:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Amended.

We know how much Earthlings loves trainwrecks.

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 18, 2008 11:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I said no, no, no...

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Jun 18, 2008 11:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

I love the “rehab” song though.

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Jun 18, 2008 4:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I've been to the RRHOF and The Jake (former)

The RRHOF is really cool and The Jake (formerly) is a beautiful ballpark.

"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti

by wrigleyrocker12 on Jun 18, 2008 9:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

While I'm not fond of

the conductor The Cleveland Orchestra is still one of the best in the world. But I’d rather see them than go to the RRHOF, Just like when I’m in Seattle I have better things to do than to waste my money on Paul Allen’s Experience Music Project.

Oh and did you forget the ballpark in Cleveland on your list of what is worth while?

by bubbamike the one and only on Jun 18, 2008 2:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

First hand comments about the game last night

Scott K was keeping the Cubs hitters off balance all night. The Rays Pen was even better. The play Theriot made was awesome. He also made one with a man on third and no outs.
The crowd was 60-40 Cubs-Rays. Few people left, very exciting game and both teams didn’t disappoint. I sat 3 seats away fro the sting ray tank in right center, yes you can actually feed them during the game if you wish. Will be there again on Thursday. I’ll be there tonight to watch Big Z pitch.

I hope the Cubs get there bats going today. Yesterday they looked like they were guessing a lot. D Lee and Ronny Cedano looked over matched along with M. Murton. Murton played a nice Left yesterday but his at bats were not good at all.

I’ll drop my observations in about tonights game tomorrow.

The Cubs will be great in 2008!

by Scott G F on Jun 18, 2008 8:15 AM CDT   0 recs

Let's not forget that awesome defensive catch in LF of Soto's drive in the 9th inning

that would’ve done some major damage in that inning also. Rays’ TV announcers at the end of the game said something to the effect that if the Cubs weren’t aware of the Rays’ defensive skills before the game, now they are….

by zevkalman on Jun 18, 2008 8:22 AM CDT   0 recs

Last thing I'll say about the Bunt is

it took all the pressure of Percival, who just walked Edmonds. Clearly, the pressure was on him to make some good pitches and RJ let him off the hook with one pitch. We’ll never know though. Just another observation.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Jun 18, 2008 8:29 AM CDT   0 recs

"Active" players at the HOF

Did you happen to notice if Clemens is listed among active players?

by MisterWinter on Jun 18, 2008 8:32 AM CDT   0 recs

No, I didn't.

I assume, though, that since Bonds isn’t, that Clemens probably isn’t, either.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 18, 2008 8:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Good Play

Like most have said, it was a good play on both ends. It was a great bunt, but a better play in the field. RJ couldn’t have placed it better. I keep thinking in terms of homestands and roadtrips. If we can pull 2 out of Tampa, we go 4-2 on the trip. Pick up one more game than when we left. This team will continue to fight and that is a sign of Lou.

A Cub fan in Cardinal territory.

by FSArkCubsFan on Jun 18, 2008 8:34 AM CDT   0 recs

The Bunt

Everyone and I mean everyone was shocked when Reed showed bunt. I thought he had it. I honestly thought he caught Tampa sleeping but Longoria made one hell of a play to end the game.

The one wild pitch to the back stop with ‘Dome on third was a good play by all parties involved as well. He would have been out at the plate so holding was the right thing and Navarro got the ball quick and Percivel covered the plate well too.

Tough game, exhausting game.

Regroup and gett’um today!!

The Cubs will be great in 2008!

by Scott G F on Jun 18, 2008 8:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

"one hell of a play"

he was out by two steps, after a shitty throw.

had he made a routine play he would have been out by half a step+. asinine move with two outs. unexcusable, stupid baseball. he should be sitting on the bench, and he would be if he were pie.

by mike b on Jun 18, 2008 8:49 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yep.

And Felix at least has the speed to justify trying to bunt for a hit.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 18, 2008 8:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you thought that was

a shitty throw? I thought it was an amazing play.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2008 10:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i cheered the play

and I hate when the Cubs lose….its was a cool ending IMO

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jun 18, 2008 11:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I would also disagree that it was a "shitty throw."

Watch the replay on Gameday. Longoria made a bare-handed pickup and was off balance when he threw the ball. The fact that he bounced it to Aybar was actually smart – he was using the artificial surface to his advantage. If he had tried to target Aybar on a line drive, he probably would have thrown wide or high. I would guess a significant number of major league third basemen don’t make that play.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 18, 2008 11:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's how I see it, yeah.

Look, I can’t say definitively what his intentions or inner thoughts were. But he’s a great defensive third baseman with a cannon for a right arm and he was playing on his home field. Watch the replay. He threw hard and the ball landed well in front of Aybar and bounced right to him. It was like a bounce pass in basketball.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 18, 2008 11:28 AM CDT