The 1969 Cubs
In Al's article about today's 5-3 win over the Rockies, he mentioned how this season, at least so far, felt a lot like 1969. Several people (including myself) posted messages in the thread agreeing with him. One poster said something, though, about how that team had the biggest collapse of all time, and how they didn't want to talk about it.
As we know, it was a heck of a collapse, but it wasn't the biggest. But that's not the reason for this FanPost. To twist some classic words, I don't come here to bury the '69 Cubs, but to celebrate them. That team had four Hall of Famers on it (I include Ron Santo here because he will get elected one day) including Ernie Banks, Billy Williams and Ferguson Jenkins. It had what might be the Cubs' best infield since Tinkers to Evers to Chance, i.e., Santo at 3b, Kessinger at SS, Beckert at 2B and Banks at 1B. It had one of the most awesome starting rotations in Cubs' history, including Fergie Jenkins (21-15, 3.21 era, 23 complete games), Bill Hands (20-14, 2.49 era, 18 complete games), and Ken Holtzman (17-13, 3.58 era, 12 complete games).
Have you ever noticed the flags that fly in the Cubs' outfield (shown frequently on WGN) of the players whose numbers have been retired? Three out of four of those players were on the '69 Cubs (Banks, Santo and Williams, with Sandberg being the sole non-'69 Cubs player with a retired number). The 1969 Cubs were part of a string of six straight plus .500 seasons. The last time Cubs teams had done that were a string of 13 consecutive plus .500 seasons beginning in 1926 and ending in 1939.
Have you ever noticed on the left field foul pole, the words "Hey! Hey!"? That's from another '69 Hall of Famer, Jack Brickhouse. Some of my earliest memories are of listening to Jack Brickhouse announce games that no one cared about except me (and a few other die-hards). I heard the genuine excitement in his voice, and the sadness, as he went through the 1969 season with me and other die-hard Cubs fans. God rest his soul.
That song we all sing at the end of Cubs' victories, "Go Cubs Go". That's a Steve Goodman song, and he lived and died with the '69 Cubs along with all of us as well. God rest your soul too, Steve.
The '69 Cubs permeate Wrigley Field and everything that happens there.
Regardless of what happened in the past, if the '08 Cubs do it, we'll all celebrate and feel wonderful about it. But, if the Cubs had never come close since 1945, if they'd never broken .500 and been the doormat of the National League every single year, there would be something missing today.
Without those glorious years, where we came so close, where we fell in love with other heroes, other than DLee, the Big Z, Aram, Dome and so on, and where we cheered and cried with others who aren't there with us today, that makes today feel so wonderful. It is the fact that we've reached for it in the past, and failed mightily, rather than with a wimper, that sweetens it all.
Go Cubs!
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i was only 9 years old in ‘69, and i remember Holtzmans nohitter, JQualls breaking up Seavers perfect game, Hundley jumping up and down after tagging Agee out….there was no “collapse”, the @@##$!$^x%x Mets just wouldn’t LOSE!!!!!
Great post.
That may have been the best team in recent baseball history that failed to make the postseason. We celebrate not their failures, but their successes.
And we hope this year’s team surpasses them.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Bench and bullpen
This team is better situated. We have reserves – 1969 had Paul Popovich. We have a bullpen – 1969 had Phil Regan. We have Lou Piniella – 1969 had Leo Durocher.
Most of 1969 was a great season, and I went to a lot of games. This year I’m 400-some-odd miles away, and I see a better team – one that may have fewer outright “stars” (although that’s yet to be determined) and more flexibility and adaptability.
This summer is going to be a good one, I suspect.
Please, please, please
don’t tie this team to 1969. There were great individual accomplishments in 1969, but the last time I checked, that team had arguably one of the biggest chokes in history; going from about 8 up in mid-August to finished 8 back when it was all said and done.
This team is going well right now, enjoy it. Note Lou’s statement about the record the other day. It’s nice to have the best record but go see him when there’s a week left in the season and they have the best record.
They need to take their act on the road. Remember how negative things were just ONE WEEK ago after the 2nd blown game in the past 3 and a 2-4 road trip. Shoulda, coulda, woulda….that trip coulda gone 5-1 but didn’t. They have to correct that.
They have to fortify the team, whether its by youngsters like Gallagher really turning heads, Edmonds doing a 1998 Gary Gaetti or even a trade or two before 31Jul, Jim and Lou will continue to improve the team.
There’s other things that permeate Wrigley than 1969. The scoreboard and ivy went up in 1937, the lights were finally added in 1988 and even though the WS hasn’t been there since 1945, the Cubs did make WS trips in ‘38, ‘35, ‘32, ‘29 & ‘18 at Wrigley/Cubs Park/Weeghman. The OF doors used to be red, Blackhawk red. The IF dirt really was dirt, the park was falling apart, the neighborhood was dangerous, then came Harry and Ryno; things started to change.
Can’t talk about 1969 CG’s. Game was totally different then; just coming off the mound lowering from 15” to 10”. Just like you can’t compare the fact Babe Ruth used to out-homer entire teams. That, like 20-30 CG’s a season by one pitcher won’t happen again.
Once again...
... I want to reiterate, that the reason I mentioned 1969 is that the feeling about this team right now feels the way it did early in that season. I have clearly delineated the differences between the two teams, and so has cubfansince1957 in this post.
This team is better. This year is going to be better. Just know that the feeling that began in 1969 can continue through this regular season and beyond.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Once again (again)
this year’s team evokes the fun and excitement level that equals the ‘69 team. It’s as simple as that. We know that era of baseball is non-existant today and the 2008 Cubs are built differently than the ‘69 Cubs. This team overall is better IMO.
But, all we are saying, is give peace a chance. ;) No, I mean we are feeling that “feeling” again, that feeling where we will not lose. Period. Yes, we have a tough month of baseball ahead of us, 2/3 of the games are on the road, where we have struggled so far this season.
In my eyes and ears, albeit 1800 miles away, is this season is much more reminiscant of what all of us Cub fans felt in that glorious summer of ‘69. The ‘84, ‘89, ‘98. ‘03 and ‘07 teams were fun to watch and we all went crazy. But THIS YEAR is different. I’ve felt it since late April. I am enjoying the hell out of this.
Let’s hope that this season will finally wash away the seasons of collapse and post season failures in our lifetimes.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
My Dad tells me he would hold a picture of the Mets over my crib and tell me “These guys are evil”
We had a videogame where New York was hit by a nuclear bomb at the end in the early 80s and we’d yell “Death to the Mets!”
We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.
more comments on the mets
growing up I was taught that you don’t root for new york teams.
---AC 00 00 00 - Believe
If this is the year...
I hope the Cubs organization does something to honor those players from ‘69. If the Cubs get to playoffs and the Series, (which they will!), I wish the team could put all of those players from that season and have them all sitting on the front row. Let them be able to celebrate with our current team… Players like Santo, Banks, and Williams. This season is for them too!
Just make sure somebody throws Ryno into the mix… for in Chicago, 2008 will be soooooo great!
The 69 team broke my heart, but it prepared me
for many more disapointments with the Cubs. Most importantly it taught me not to get my hopes up too high because it only made the failure that more bitter. I think we should take that advice to heart now because the season is very young.
I know the 69 team finished weakly, but in retrospect I think the Mets just played out of their minds. I don’t still feel that the Cubs collapsed as much as the Mets played fabulously. It’s still hard for me to complement the Mets even after all these years and it will be many years before I can ever root for them against any opponent.
Agree 100%
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by tucsoncubsfan on Jun 2, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
The 69 team was my second year
following the Cubs. That team made me a lifelong Cubs fan.
and by the way, it wasn’t the biggest collapse in history. The biggest baseball collapse had to be the 1964 Phils.
Outstanding Fanpost--absolutely outstanding
BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"
great year anyway
I was a senior in high school in ‘69. I had never experienced anything but bad Cub teams until 1967. All the while the Cubs were winning in ‘69, it never occurred to me they might not win it all. However, since then, I’ve always been wary of any good starts. That team scarred me for life. This 2008 Cub team is the best I’ve seen, especially in their approach at the plate in game situations. Maybe this CAN be the year!
"It's a funny old world. Man's lucky if he gets out of it alive." W.C. Fields
Not Born Yet; 1969 Team Interests Me
I wasn’t even born in 1969. Those who remember this team speak so fondly of it. I am amazed that this team was actually 9 games back going into the final game of the season after being up by 9.5 games in the middle of August. Looking at the stat sheet, I see the Cubs beat the Mets on the last day of the regular season to finish 8 games back. Normally, fans don’t speak fondly of teams that finish 8 games out. The Mets won 100 games, the NL pennant, and beat a great Orioles team in the World Series.
There was no shame in getting beaten out by the Mets. I only have good memories of the Cubs and Mets in playoff battles. I remember the Cubs beating out the Mets for the ‘84 and ‘89 division titles. The Mets were one of the teams that lost out to the Cubs for the ‘98 wild card.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
Yes, the Mets won it as much as the Cubs lost it.
That didn’t make it feel any better. If you had been there, you’d understand.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I was 16 in '69
. . . and totally hooked on the Cubs, as I am today.
One of the “pleasures” of being a long-suffering Cub fan is being able to look back at one team after another and, by so doing, re-visit different periods of our lives as well. 1969 was a huge disappointment and 1969 was a very special and memorable year. It’s part of what makes us who we are, as fans, today.
I still celebrate that team (and my kids hate the Mets)
I'm right there with you Leo...
I don’t hate the Mets like I used to….there was some hate for the Padres for a little while, especially Steve Garvey..the outside pitch calls the Braves always got in ‘98 bugged me, but I didn’t dislike the Bravos. The Marlins—heck I pulled fo them to win the WS.
The Cardinals bug me quite a bit, but the team i REALLY want to see lose now is the Reds and it’s solely due to their pompous, arrogant jerk weed announcer… found it interesting in this weeks’ Sport Iluustrated-there’s a big article on Josh Hamiton and the writer revealed that a number of the Reds were very jealous of the attention Hamilton got last year making his comeback from hell. Unbelievable. What egos they have-right in line with Marty B.
BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"
I was in college during the "big red machine" era and had
a number of reds fans in my dorm so I hated the reds, especially that blowhard Marty B. He was such a pompous jerk of an anouncer even back then. I have no trouble rooting against Cards, Mets and Reds.
They got me hooked!
I was a 7 year old growing up in a family of Sox fans in the SW burbs. It was a combination of the Cubs quick start plus being able to watch all the games on channel 9 (the Sox had been exiled to channel 32 by then) that got me hooked. When they collapsed in September, my Sox fan brothers and dad were not very kind, and so I had to stick with the Cubs. They have become a lifelong addiction/curse/obsession.
My winter project this year was to scour ebay and get autographed baseballs from the ‘69 team. I ended up with the 8 position players, Fergie, and Phil Regan. They are all proudly displayed in my home office.
Also – I hate the Mets!!

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