I’m more inclined to give him a break on that one though, since he was a pretty good base stealer the past two seasons. Still, with their limited value, he’s probably better off not trying to steal at all.

I thought he was going to need a minute alone after Theriot dove for that ball in the bullpen.

to have some numbers in it. But I think what you gave us was much better ;).

but I’d rather have Derosa’s bat and versatility.

that’s a bad trade.

Zambrano will never lose his job to Glendon Rusch & I don’t doubt that. i understand what you’re saying though.

Baseball Prospectus has Dan Fox’s EqBRR, the best baserunning metric, but they don’t publish it currently in ANY form on their website that I can find; Dan works for the Pirates now, so I don’t know if they’ll ever get EqBRR as part of their stats. I have my own baserunning +/- stat, but it uses Retrosheet data, which is only available through the 2007 season. I’m working on parsing the Gameday XML data for fielding/baserunning analysis, but nothing really definate.

...but have no real way of showing given my lack of 2008 data, have you looked at Derrek Lee’s GDPs lately? Lee’s averaged about 13 GDPs a season since 1998; he already has 11 this year.

Talk about sleepwalking, what an example that is.

He is providing stats and lots of em.

they are, by definition, matters of fact. And stating them is not a “putdown” of a player, it is the real, honest truth about that player’s ability to play the game.

Ripken, Garciaparra, Jeter and ARod have raised that bar. However, I still think that C, 2B, SS and CF are primarily defensive positions, not in need of power bats. Derek Jeter is possibly the worst shortstop playing in MLB and he wins Gold Gloves. Me? I’m old school.

That being said, I think Theriot is an out of position 2B. I like the guy a lot, he adds a dynamic to this team as RJ does, and NO one on this team is a better hit and run guy, Rami is close. I think DLee could be, but we want him to be a power bat as we do with Rami and Soriano.

Its ok he doesnt have any power, cause thats the type of hitter he is?

Its ok that he has been a bad fielder, cause he’ll do better in the future?

Its ok that he gets caught stealing, cause he’ll do better in the future? (Oh and its Cubs/Theriots fault, not Theriots?)

Zone rating is subjective, not like errors?

So you have a singles hitter, who gets caught stealing a lot, commits a lot of errors. How is this acceptable, especially if you think he does not better than .290/.360/.360? To be an acceptable “singles hitter” you need to be exceptional on defense and be above average on the bases, or vice versa.

Or you can do what Ryan has done, hit .320/.400/.380. As long as he can keep that up, and stops getting caught stealing, I am good with him starting. If he drops to your .290/.360/.360, he needs to be benched.

Maybe they can do an odd platoon. Cedeno actually has had much more success vs righties than lefties not just this year but for his entire major league career, while it is vice cersa for Ryan.

You’re fool enough to think Mark DeRosa is viable option at the shortstop position. He stopped being everyday shortstop material several years ago. I’m tired of conversing with stats geeks and robots who never even played the game at the sandlot level. Oh for a better brand of discussion around here.

And when there’s a camera around he seems to be there.

neither does he.

You should realize that it is often better to be thought a fool than to write a post such as you just did and remove all doubt.

Hey college player, just because you say it doesnt mean we have to believe it.

Some of that type of analysis is extremely beneficial. I mean, it’s an undeniable fact that winning percentage and on-base percentage are positively correlated.

I don’t know exactly where the analysis gets off track with regards to Theriot. He’s a good fit for this team. He most certainly is not on the calibur of many of the NL shortstops. He’s never going to come close to the stats that Ramirez, Tejada, or Rollins put up. He’s not that talented, but the Cubs aren’t relying on him to put up those numbers. He’s doing his job though.

just wow. You have no idea how utterly unintelligent and stuck up and foolish you sound.

Egg yolk.

I’m not going to provide the stats you seek. Just watch the game.

Honestly, I get stats. I was debating whether to even start a post on this thread because I thought I might sound like some Theriot loving Luddite. Go ahead. Call me one if you want if that makes you happy.

We can’t prove a negative though, can we? We can’t possible determine what the Cubs record would have been if Cedeno was the starting SS. We couldn’t even know what Cedeno’s stats would be. Doesn’t the success of the team and the success of Theriot (this year) say something? I fully recognize that the Cubs record could be better if Cedeno was the starting SS, but do you really want to take that chance just because Cedeno’s stats project to be better? There’s a BIG difference between projections and reality. Obviously, Piniella is choosing to stay with what’s winning.

scrappy! And a sparkplug. Is there a stat for sparkplugs?