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Open Thread: Cubs vs. White Sox, Saturday 6/21, 12:05 CT

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Saturday, Jun 21, 2008, 12:05 PM CDT
Wrigley Field

Jose Contreras vs Jason Marquis

Partly cloudy with a 40-percent chance of rain. Winds blowing in from left field at 5-15 m.p.h. Game Time temperature: Around 80.

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Since I -- and most of you -- love to bash ESPN and ESPN.com, I thought I'd give them equal time when there's actually a good article on ESPN.com about the Cubs. Wayne Drehs has an excellent take on yesterday's game, which as of early this morning was the featured lead story on their front page.

After yesterday's game, the White Sox were whining about the call on Orlando Cabrera's drive in the 7th, claiming it might have been fair. No way. I was only about 30 feet from where that ball landed. It was 100% foul.

Yesterday, Alfonso Soriano was on the field before the game tossing a ball around for a few minutes. He'll be examined on Monday to see how close he is to returning. Also, that article says Daryle Ward may be activated in time to DH at next weekend's series at the Cell.

In case you are one of those saying "WHYISNTHENDRYDOINGSOMETHING!!?!!?!11", Barry Rozner writes that Jim Hendry is looking for deals every single day:

"I try to go to work every day open for business and thinking this could be the day we get something done, not that we're actively seeking anything," Hendry said. "I think you have to operate like that because some of our best deals have come out of nowhere, and weren't even on the map a day or two before it happened.

"It's all about timing and opportunity, and what people speculate about is often something that's impossible and not in our hands. The best deals are often the ones not on anyone's radar."

So whether Zambrano misses a week or a month, or somewhere in between -- they'll announce that decision today -- Hendry won't be forced into going after C.C. Sabathia or any other big-name starter unless the terms are right for the Cubs, too.

More significantly, Hendry said he's got the cash necessary to do anything possible to win the World Series.

"At $120-something million on our payroll, I'd have to get something cleared to add a lot more (payroll)," Hendry said. "But I've been assured that if we need to add a piece or two, we'll be able to do it.

"There's no doubt we have the money to get something done if we need it."

Hendry has done a fine job putting together the 2008 Cubs, so far. I have confidence that if & when the right deal appears, he won't waste time making it happen. (Note, the emphasis in the above quotebox was added by me.)

Today's Starting Pitchers
Jason Marquis
J.
Marquis

Cubs
vs. Jose Contreras
J. Contreras
White Sox
5-3 W-L 6-5
4.24 ERA 3.24
37 SO 55
30 BB 24
6 HR 4
vs. Sox -- vs. Cubs

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Jason Marquis 5-3 13 13 0 0 0 0 74.1 81 38 35 6 30 37 4.24 1.49


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Jose Contreras 6-5 14 14 1 0 0 0 94.1 84 36 34 4 24 55 3.24 1.14

Yesterday's hero, Aramis Ramirez, is the active Cub who hits Contreras the best -- .455/.538/1.364 (5-for-11, a double, 3 HR). Contreras is 1-2 with a 4.23 ERA in four career starts against the Cubs.

Don't ask what Jason Marquis' lifetime record is vs. the Sox. It's bad. OK, so you asked. It's 1-1, 10.06. However, that includes this 2006 game in which Tony LaRussa left him out there to "take one for the team" and he allowed 13 earned runs in 5 innings. Take that out and the ERA drops to 4.50, closer to Marquis' career norms. Marquis is 4-0, 3.09 in his last six starts. A lot of the Sox have hit Marquis hard, but again, a lot of that dates to that June 2006 game.

Today, national viewers can see Len & Bob on WGN. The Sox announcers will be on CSN, so if you don't have WGN but do have EI, you'll see them. Also see the MLB.com Mediacenter.

MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)

MLB.com Gameday (2008 version)

Baseball-reference.com game preview

Today's overflow comment threads will post at 1:15 pm and 2:15 pm CT.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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lots of interesting links to articles. *heads back to read them

by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 21, 2008 9:07 AM CDT   0 recs

Thank Goodness

Fox didn’t get its mitts on this one.

by 08Cubs on Jun 21, 2008 9:08 AM CDT   0 recs

Not that I'm complaining...

but how did the wizards at FOX miss out on this game? It’s one of the better interleague matchups every year. Throw in the fact that both teams are in first place, and it’s pretty much a no-brainer.

by hokie316 on Jun 21, 2008 9:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Easy

The Red Sox aren’t participating.

by 08Cubs on Jun 21, 2008 9:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And next week's

a rematch anyway, so Fox is doing that.

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 21, 2008 11:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks MLB

I can’t watch Len and Bob on the baseball package today because of restrictions, so I HAVE to listen to how great the Sox are. This SUCKS!!!!

A Cub fan in Cardinal territory.

by FSArkCubsFan on Jun 21, 2008 11:38 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

CONTRERAS

LIGHT EM UP

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jun 21, 2008 9:10 AM CDT   0 recs

Woohoo Let's Go Cubs!!

What a game yesterday… On a side note… I just bought a house and yesterday was cleaning out the spa that came with it. I happened to notice the name of the company that made it… “Marquis Spa”. Thought that was kind of interesting considering he is pitching today.

by GoCubbies34 on Jun 21, 2008 9:14 AM CDT   0 recs

A house with a spa?

Can I move in with you? Please??

We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez

by Emelie on Jun 21, 2008 9:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I hope you don't "sink" a lot of money into that spa...

...because that would be a (former) Cardinal sin. And I would guess you’ll have a hard time “exchanging” that spa for another one because of its high cost. On the bright side, it’s probably not going to break down on you, but you may have to turn it off sooner than you want to. OK, I’ll stop.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 21, 2008 9:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Dont invite Woody over

he cant handle spas

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jun 21, 2008 9:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ha ha ha

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Jun 21, 2008 11:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Can I get some whine with the claim of whine?
After yesterday’s game, the White Sox were whining about the call on Orlando Cabrera’s drive in the 7th, claiming it might have been fair. No way. I was only about 30 feet from where that ball landed. It was 100% foul.

I did not see the game yesterday. But when I was driving home I heard one person on ESPN AM 1000 claim that Cabrera’s hit was fair…

Cubbie fan Harry Teinowitz!

And besides that, where’s the whine in the article Al referenced?

by DrCrawdad on Jun 21, 2008 9:22 AM CDT   0 recs

I too heard Harry

say it was 100% fair. I agree with Murton, it appears to hit the fence directly behind the pole.

Also, I know Al, isnt citing it but some of the whine came from my friend Doug who still wont let it go.

He says “Apparently in the f*$king NL balls that are fair dont count” Bare in mind this guy is crazy and does not represent Sox fans. My other Sox fan thought it was foul too.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jun 21, 2008 9:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

(remove the comma after Al in the second sentence)

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jun 21, 2008 9:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and you dont mean a comma

Sorry :P

LOL, I dont (notice) feel the need for that

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jun 21, 2008 9:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

There wasn't

And I’m not a stickler for puncuation. I just found it funny that there was an extra comma but an apostrophe missing right next to it.

by GoCubbies34 on Jun 21, 2008 9:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ha, come on now.

ITS EARLY…......

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jun 21, 2008 9:44 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Article...

t I read that article and ‘where’s the whine?” A very lame example of whining, if it even is whining.

by DrCrawdad on Jun 21, 2008 9:38 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ticky tack

Blame the writer, not AL

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jun 21, 2008 9:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Write or Al?

The writer NEVER mentions that the Sox were whining. The only person to say they were whining was Al.

I don’t see how you can look at that article and sum it up to say that the Sox were whining.

by DrCrawdad on Jun 21, 2008 5:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I saw it live on WGN

and it wasn’t close to fair. Besides, Hawk and DJ didn’t even raise a stink about it, and you know they would have if it were even close.

"Don't give me any of that ole' bulls#!t." - Lou Brown

by mondello58 on Jun 21, 2008 11:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think that says it all.

That’s a fair barometer, I think

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Jun 21, 2008 11:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I went back to MLB TV

It looks like it hits the pole on TV, at least to me. Al, did it hit the fence behind or what?

by tal1286 on Jun 21, 2008 10:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Foul Ball On WGN...

...from the camera angle they had on Comcast, the ball appeared to bounce off the pole. But on WGN, they had different camera angles, and it was clear that the ball bounced off a piece of the stand well past the foul pole.

by 60613 on Jun 21, 2008 10:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The angle on my set, Comcast, gave me a stroke....

however with no arguement from the Sox, I knew it HAD to be foul…

by crazymountain on Jun 21, 2008 11:59 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's very reassuring to hear

Hendry say he’s got the cash to get us to the series. Let’s hope that serendipitous deal materializes soon.

We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez

by Emelie on Jun 21, 2008 9:23 AM CDT   0 recs

It all makes sense that he would have the go-ahead

because, when the team went up for sale, the FA spending went way up. Now, with our record, the chance of getting to the WS is a viable one. Get to the WS or, better yet WIN it, means the Cubs franchise price rises considerably, maybe as much as $50 Million…..

by crazymountain on Jun 21, 2008 12:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

trades

as far as cc,harden, and bedard go i believe we can scratch those off are wishlists. sorry but everything i’m seeing and from what I think it will take 2 near major leaguer top prospects plus some for each. we dont have em. we will get outbid, the dodgers and brewers just to name a couple are extremely loaded with top tier prospects.

as far as burnett goes I gotta believe he may be a little more attainable but still I think they will want a heavy bounty plus assume his salary. pretty big chance on a good pitcher with a glass arm.

after those i really dont see that much out there better than what we have. hopefully I’m wrong. good luck cubbies today. no bteer way to make up for a sweep than to go out and get one.

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by cubsluver22 on Jun 21, 2008 9:27 AM CDT   0 recs

I agree

It would take top notch prospects to get either of those guys, but hey maybe the Mariners could lower their demands for Bedard. Bedard is not a number 1 pitcher anymore and with the way he is pitching this year I think he i only worth 1 top of the line prospect.

Regardless, I believe the Cubs will have no choice, but to go after Burnett. He could be the perfect number three pitcher for this team, but as you mentioned he is somewhat injury prone. He is not injury prone like Prior, but if the price is too high for Burnett, then the Cubs should just say no and go after a pitcher like Paul Byrd or Greg Maddux.

by Geo4MVP on Jun 21, 2008 10:01 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Bedard left last night's game with back spasms

Let’s just ride it out.

We need someone to fill the gap that Z leaves, but I don’t think we mortgage the future unless it’s someone that will help long term.

by AlabamaCubFan on Jun 21, 2008 10:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maddux had very good night

7 innings , one run ( a HR to Granderson) 5 hits , 4Ks one walk and 85 pitches against a
good hitting Tigers line up. Of course HE GOT NO DECISION. leaving with a 2-1 lead as that was
all the Padres could scratch out over a rookie who gave up 6 runs in 5 innings in his only previous start. BP gave the run back. Padres won so Maddux won’t care but I do. I want him to pass
THE EVIL one.

I don’t think Maddux is leaving the Padres and I am not suggesting he is an ace but a lot
of folks here are underestimating him. He is now 9th in the NL in ERA at 3.17

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Jun 21, 2008 11:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think Bedard is the answer.....

Seattle overpaid to get him, he is having problems with velocity and now back spasms? No way…...

by crazymountain on Jun 21, 2008 12:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ESPN...

Had Ramirez’s walk-off at #1 on the “Top 10 Plays” countdown, I got goosebumps… again.

"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."

by CubsBullsBears on Jun 21, 2008 9:29 AM CDT   0 recs

Ive watched in about 5 times since sitting down on the couch this morning

Report from Wriglyville—-its just poured rain for about 10 minutes but is bright and beautiful again.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jun 21, 2008 9:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hammer btw I've watched that wrigley cam a few times this morning

you do realize EACH DAY how lucky you are to actually see those things right????

by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 21, 2008 10:01 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

absolutely--No doubt

nothing taking for granted, i promise you

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jun 21, 2008 10:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

How does Hammer get to see "those things"?

And to what “things” are you referring?

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Jun 21, 2008 11:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh OK.

It sounded like he lived on the roof of Wrigleyville Sports or something.

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Jun 21, 2008 11:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Why is Eric Patterson coming up?

Does anyone know? the DM paper this moring said he was recalled and it would be explained for who before thoday’s game. I can’t think who he is going to replace.

Rich Hill was at probably his worst performance of the year last night. Only lasted 2/3 of an inning. It’s not even worth putting his stats down, if you want to see them you can find them. I think he is so far off the radar we’ll never hear his name this year. The I-Cubs article said he and his pitching coach are watching tons of film and trying a lot of little things to get him back on track. It’s not working. I still wonder if he is hurt somehow.

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Jun 21, 2008 9:39 AM CDT   0 recs

The bench was..............

....................very short yesterday with Edmonds and Johnson out. One of these guys must be going on the DL with Patterson serving as the replacement. Like DeRosa, he can play infield and outfield positions, so his flexibility must be desired by Lou. And don’t forget his speed.

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by tville on Jun 21, 2008 9:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Anyone have a guess

who is going on the DL? I thought both Johnson and Edmonds were available yesterday if needed.

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Jun 21, 2008 9:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

my guess

Edmonds

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jun 21, 2008 9:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wrong

Edmonds said he might play today. His injury was not serious at all, but RJ has back problems and he is not even near to 100 percent.

by Geo4MVP on Jun 21, 2008 9:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

if im wrong does that make you right?

seems as if we are both speculating

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jun 21, 2008 10:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

RJ didn't even sound like if he will be ready at all this series

Edmonds injury is less severe than RJ (who has a history of back problems and Edmonds could be ready by today.

by Geo4MVP on Jun 21, 2008 10:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought

Reed was more day to day, that the problems were more to do with muscle spasms than anything to do with the herniated disc surgery he had.

Then again, they did say on the broadcast y’day that Edmonds was available to PH.

Whoever said you couldn't mix business and pleasure never owned a putt putt course. --Andy Bernard

by carmen_fanzone on Jun 21, 2008 10:11 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

But I was going according to what RJ said he said he was not close to ready. Edmonds on the other hand said he will be available tomorrow.

by Geo4MVP on Jun 21, 2008 10:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

according to Cubs.com

Outfielders Reed Johnson and Jim Edmonds were available to pinch-hit Friday.

Whoever said you couldn't mix business and pleasure never owned a putt putt course. --Andy Bernard

by carmen_fanzone on Jun 21, 2008 10:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Weird

RJ said it himself that he was not completely ready to play. Oh well, I was hoping for Edmonds to start today against Jose, but it is going to take alot to beat the ageless wonder.

by Geo4MVP on Jun 21, 2008 10:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He was quoted

as saying they’re being cautious with his back spasms. So, who knows.

Whoever said you couldn't mix business and pleasure never owned a putt putt course. --Andy Bernard

by carmen_fanzone on Jun 21, 2008 10:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Pat and Ron..

said during the last game in Tampa that Johnson was available for “limited duty”.

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Jun 21, 2008 11:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm assuming that he and Murton are being showcased prior to a trade.....

doesn’t make sense otherwize, Z goes to DL and they call up a 2B? Hmmmmm….....

by crazymountain on Jun 21, 2008 12:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's because Edmonds and Johnson are both banged up...

...and they wanted someone else who could play center.

Now, why a second baseman as opposed to a center fielder? Because we’re the Cubs, and we like second basemen.

by cwyers on Jun 21, 2008 12:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

whoops, didn't finish

Kosuke should be in right, Pie in CF. Kosuke looked a bit overmatched in his first game at Wrigley in CF

by crazymountain on Jun 21, 2008 12:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Dunno how good Patterson is as a center fielder...

...but if his defense there is alright, he’s not a BAD choice for a backup/replacement CF, especially is you want to keep Pie in AAA to continue his development.

Now, EPatt as a left fielder? That’s just kinda dumb, if you ask me.

by cwyers on Jun 21, 2008 12:17 PM CDT to parent up