In Rainbows: Cubs 7, White Sox 1
by Al Yellon on Jun 23, 2008 8:35 AM CDT
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Photo by Kasey Ignarski
After it rained before the game for the third day in a row (delaying the start about ten minutes), a beautiful rainbow appeared in the sky to the east of the ballpark; both kaseyi and I took photos, from two different angles -- and the second one I took shows a rare "double rainbow". That's probably the brightest rainbow I've ever seen above Wrigley Field.
And isn't that a good metaphor for this season so far? The Cubs shone brightly this entire weekend, sweeping the White Sox (their sixth straight win over the Sox dating back to last year), this time dominating them in a 7-1 victory where the Cubs, for the first time in the series, led from start to finish. They scored virtually every way you could think of -- from walks and stolen bases and wild pitches to home runs, another one from Aramis Ramirez (hot again, four HR in the series), and Eric Patterson's first major league dinger (extremely small sample size, but he's shown the last two days why a lot of people here think he should have been on the roster all year). The Cubs hit nine HR in all this weekend, and the usually-volatile Ozzie Guillen actually said some charitable things afterward:
"Believe me, I like it," he said. "I talked to the players and said this is the best scenario you can ever have. If [no fans] show up, if no media show up, that means these games don't mean anything for the city. It's fun for the players -- the players enjoy it. I've never seen the city so into this three-game series, and there's another one next weekend.
"The Cubs, they beat the [hell] out of us. They played better than we did. That's the main thing. If people are mad about it, well, are we smiling in here? Are we happy? Are we celebrating that we lost against them? No."
Before you think I'm getting soft on Ozzie, I should point out that during the rain, while the tarp was still on the field, he was in CF throwing a ball around with someone -- I think it might have been one of his sons -- and making what appeared to be obscene gestures with his hips toward bleacher fans.
Ozzie. Gotta love him, right? Thankfully, the Cubs had extra security in the bleachers last night -- they needed it, as the crowd, likely overfueled from being able to party all day before the Sunday night game, was pretty rowdy. There were quite a few ejections, both of people wearing Cubs AND White Sox clothes (many of the ejections appeared to be for underage drinking, a chronic problem at Wrigley).
OK, enough of that. How about some love for Ryan Dempster? I never thought he could become a good starter -- it had been five years since he had started regularly, he always walked too many batters, etc. But give Dempster all the credit -- he lost weight, got in shape, and worked his butt off, and the results can be seen with every start. Until the 6th, every out was either a strikeout or an infield grounder. After that the Sox did start hitting some line drives, but Dempster gutted it out through 8, getting a standing ovation when batting in the 8th, and might have finished had he not allowed the first two Sox hits in the 9th. Bob Howry -- this is encouraging -- put the next three down in order to finish it.
More good stuff: Kosuke Fukudome, who seemed a bit less patient than usual in his first few days leading off, walked to lead off the game -- on four pitches. Then Patterson walked -- on four pitches. Patterson didn't see a strike till his third at-bat -- when he homered after Fukudome had been hit by a Javier Vazquez pitch. It wasn't intentional -- Vazquez was wild all night -- and it was an anxious moment briefly, as Fukudome appeared at first to be injured, but he shook it off.
Even more good news: Bruce Miles tells us that video reviews of Carlos Marmol's delivery have apparently found some flaws and Marmol's going to fix them:Marmol seemed upbeat about the video session.
"I was looking at video, what I did wrong and what I did good," he said. "I know what I'm doing now. I think (being too low) was a problem. I opened too soon. I'll just stay a little more on top."
Marmol added that he had a stretch like this in 2006, when he was a starter for a time with the Cubs.
"I think I can fix this," he said.
History in the making: the 14 consecutive home wins is the longest such streak in seventy-two years, since a 14-game home winning streak from June 4-July 10, 1936. The club record is 18, set in 1935, the first 18 of the team-record 21-game winning streak that helped that '35 team win the NL pennant (yes, homestands in that era were typically far longer than they are today). The 1935 Cubs are the last Cub team to win 100 games.
As I have written many times here: savor this, revel in it, remember every moment, where you were, who you shared it with. We are experiencing things that have not been done in many generations of Cub teams.
Now, I must comment on last night's TV broadcast, which I did not, of course, see, but heard plenty about.
There are many reasons virtually all of us criticize Joe Morgan's "broadcasting" (the quotes are there for obvious reasons; he may be among the worst sports broadcasters in history). However, when he invents "facts" to back up his biases, I think he needs to be called on it and shown that doing this isn't just wrong, it's irresponsible. I speak here of his continued carping about the Wrigley Field outfield wall basket and his contention that Ernie Banks deposited "many" home runs into the basket. In fairness, I am compelled to point out that Morgan is correct (Gasp! Morgan is right about something!) when he says that the basket was installed for security reasons. Early in the 1970 season fans began to walk on top of the wall, which at the time was a flat surface, and some jumped onto the field. So, at the end of a homestand (I believe the one that ended on April 26, 1970), the Cubs put concrete on top of the wall, angled so no one could walk on it, and a basket which would take a fairly large jump to leap over. Sometime in the last ten years -- I can't remember exactly when -- someone jumped over it and landed on the field. The leap and 12-foot drop caused him to break both his ankles.
Ernie Banks was nearing the end of his career when this basket was installed. I went through Ernie’s game logs. After April 26, 1970, he hit 8 home runs at Wrigley Field. Eight. The first one he hit after that was one I personally witnessed -- his career #499, hit on May 9, 1970. That one didn’t go in the basket. Video exists of his 500th, hit three days after that, on May 12, 1970 -- you've probably seen this video, and know that one didn’t go in the basket, either.
That leaves six others. It's possible that all of them landed in the basket, but I doubt it. And even if that's true, that's six of 512 -- a little over 1% of his career total, maybe 2% of all he hit at Wrigley. The basket was never, ever called "Banks Boulevard", nor nicknamed after any other player. Just as a guess, without any corroborating information or formal research, I'd speculate that about 1-2% of all HR hit at Wrigley Field -- by the Cubs or by their opponents -- land in the basket (as Eric Patterson's did last night).
For promulgating this egregiously bad information on the air -- it's a blatant lie -- Joe Morgan should be immediately fired and ESPN should air a correction prominently on Baseball Tonight, and again at the beginning of next Sunday's telecast.
Enjoy this off day -- you can bet the Cubs are. Till tomorrow.
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Beautiful pictures, Al
It was a heck of a game – listening and making fun of Miller and Morgan was far better than putting up with Hawk and DJ at least.
This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
by HectorVillanueva on Jun 23, 2008 8:41 AM CDT reply actions
Agreed
Even though the game last night was plenty of entertainment, it’s kinda fun to listen to the crap that comes out of Morgan’s mouth and just laugh at him and his ignorance.
I forgot where I read it this morning, but there was apparently a sign in the upper deck that a fan had brought to the game that read something like “Hey Joe – Ryan was a better than you!” Just classic.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
Did you know...
That the Rays swept us?
(making reference to the 30 times Morgan brought that up)
I must say i hate both Miller and Morgan, but it almost seemed last night that Miller was poking a stick at Morgan trying to get him to bash the Cubs and occasionally Morgan took the bait.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
I don't know if anyone else caught it
But when they interviewed Lou, Miller called him the manager of the White Sox, I could swear, amazing.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
Do you think Vazquez...
Regrets saying: ””You should go to the American League and you’ll see more potent lineups,”
Yea i doubt it too. I just dont understand why the Sox feel the need to bash our stadium, our fans, and our team. But i guess it works into our favor seeing that they are more focused on hating us than beating us!
For what it is worth, i spent roughly 60 games in the batting cage area (about 4 hours per game) and never saw 1 rat in there. Yes it is small, but Ozzie should wake up a little bit, his stadium was built in th 90s, and they royally screwed that up.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
So bad, they painted it black.
Was trapped in traffic yesterday after noon on the Ryan and spend close to 40 minutes immediately next to the former blue seated spaceship. I’d never had the time to sit and look at Sox park and was surprised to notice that in addition to all the seat removal, roof line revisions and other stuff, they actually painted the non brick/stone/concrete surfaces black. I guess Reinsdorf thinks black is slimming.
They messed up....
The seats, the BATTING CAGES, and all joking aside, the clubhouse is bigger, but not that much bigger.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
Marmol
I hope Marmol gets those “flaws” fixed. In my mind his performance is of bigger concern than our players on the DL. Lets hope he gets it together.
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand. - Homer J Simpson
I'm sure he will.
His perfornance last year and up to last week should be proof that he just has a mechanical problem. Those can be fixed, and I’m certain this one will.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Is there any way we can start a mass petition
To ATLEAST get this recognized. There are people chiming in on the game that don’t understand, in this situation, the Cubs or for that matter, the White Sox, that are basing there information off what the ESPN broadcast gives them. This is just wrong. Miller is annoying but he would be better without Morgan. Lets start a petition of some sort to atleast be read and maybe somebody at ESPN will bring it up. Chances are unlikely but it would be interesting how many E-signatures we can get on this thing throughout all of the major league baseball blogging sites with their name and blogging site written down with a call of disgust for each person… just an idea, probably not reality.
"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano
by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jun 23, 2008 8:51 AM CDT reply actions
We could just overwhelm
ESPN with emails on the subject. We could at least get recognition by next Sunday night maybe and a on air retraction from Morgan.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
I emailed this post's link...
... to the people at Fire Joe Morgan—I hope they’ll post about it.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
+1
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 23, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I just did
I sent ESPN an email regarding this. I would encourage you all to do the same. I doubt it will get anything done, but I KNOW doing nothing won’t get anything done.
"I'm not giving him a high-five ever again." - Sammy Sosa, joking about Moises Alou's personal habits
by MorePiePlease on Jun 23, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
ESPN Corrections
you can submit a ‘correction’ on the ESPN site. I just did for the Morgan “Banks Boulevard” comment.
If you found out a way to start that
I’d happily partipate
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 23, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Last night wasnt the first time Morgan spewed...
...the factual inaccuracies of the basket and Banks’s supposed proclivity to hit HR’s there. This is the third game I have heard him spin this yarn in the past two seasons.
In two sentences he has managed to diminish a brilliant HOF career to a national audience.
Unfortunately I don’t think ESPN cares about inaccuracies on their broadcasts, if they did we wouldn’t have heard that for the third time.
i think you are right -
ESPN just wants the game on their tv network.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
the puke gag stimuli last night was exceptionally strong
My wife couldn’t figure out why I was yelling at the TV.
I’m all for a email campaign. Let’s do it. I have had it with this
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
i caught that too about the basket
plus, he kept referring to the AJ/Barrett fight as being played at Wrigley Field, despite constant replays of it.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
Exactly!
Right after the replay he said something to the effect of, “Could you imagine what would have happened if the Sox were at home?”
Facepalm.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 23, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I hate Morgan as a broadcaster
...and I’d be happy if he were removed from the Sunday telecast. (I do like Miller, however.)
Anyways, I’m wondering if there’s any truth to the Banks Boulevard thing. No, Cubs fans and Cubs broadcasters never called it that, and no Banks never hit more than a handful of homers into that basket at most. Those are the facts. But…
Morgan was an active, opposing player at the time the baskets were installed. Is it possible, that in HIS dugout, they saw the shiny new baskets and his teammates joked that they were installed to help the declining Ernie get his 500th home run? And then perhaps he hit one in there in front of his eyes and it was a running joke for him and his Astros/Reds teammates from there on out? And isn’t it possible that an opposing broadcaster back in the pre-internet days said something along those lines? Cubs fans never would have heard it. As FireJoeMorgan likes to point out, Joe doesn’t watch much baseball. He only watches the games he broadcasts, and I’m quite positive the only baseball he watched back in the day was the very games he played.
I’m just saying he’s old and confused, and nothing to get too worked up over.
Let's look at the facts...
... something Morgan never does.
Morgan wasn’t on the Reds while Banks was active—he was dealt to the Reds after the 1971 season.
Banks hit a three-run HR against the Astros on April 25, 1970—before the basket was installed. (Proof: me as witness. I was at that game. There was no basket then.)
The total number of HR hit by Banks against the Astros after that: zero. In fact, the total number of games Banks played against the Astros after that series in April 1970 ended was also zero. So Morgan never even witnessed Banks play against him after the basket was installed.
Nice try, Mike, but the facts don’t fit your scenario. Morgan has hated the Cubs for years, and misses no opportunity to slam them, even when he has to lie to do it.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I guess my point is....
...he probably doesn’t think he’s lying. He probably remembers something along those lines, whether it happened or not. And he’s just a lousy broadcaster that, as you noted, has always hated to Cubs.
OK, point conceded.
However, as someone who works in the TV business, I know that in general, TV managers have very low tolerance for that kind of thing constantly on the air. It astounds me that ESPN management lets him continue to do this.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Then
someone at ESPN should be responsible for setting him straight. If ESPN cared at all about their image as a national network (which they clearly don’t) they would not want to be represented by some one spewing statistical inaccuracies that are easily check and corrected.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
ESPN...
That is of course if ESPN even knows or cares if Joe is getting his facts wrong. I’m guessing they just assume all is well and never fact check these guys. The ratings stay high so they could prolly care less. They basically have zero competition and ESPN has just gotten fat and lazy.
ESPN
I’d love to see any TV network broadcast a correction – ever. After working for newspapers and newswires, in which we had to file corrections for the slightest mistake, it’s disappointing to see the egregious flaws on both network, local and sports news go uncorrected.
"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979
You guys missed a positive comment from Joe
He said at one point that the Cubs are the best team in the National League this year. It was a backhanded compliment, though, because of the way he said it. He said in his view, the whole league was weaker but the Cubs were stronger.
Good news
Al, you are totally right about savoring this season. It seems like every hitter is finding a way to chip in. We are getting better than expected performances from several pitchers – Dempster the most obvious, but Marquis has been better than expected, too. That Marmol found the problem and should fix it is more good news. This after hearing that Z should only miss two starts. Thanks, also, Al and BCB community, for this site which is enchancing my enjoyment of the season.
ESPN: Contact Us
If you are interested, here is the online form to email ESPN. It will take a minute of your time, but a minute well spent if it forces ESPN to remove Morgan or at least makes him retract and apologize.
I just sent my email. Hope this works. Maybe a separate fanpost so it doesnt get lost in the shuffle would be a good idea.
Go ahead, Z me.
More FJM material...
Don’t get me wrong here. I’m a card-carrying member of the Joe Morgan is a Dillweed Society, but talking out his wazoo about the basket is a fire-able offense? You’re wasting your time complaining to ESPN.
One of the things that bugged me is when he was talking about how the Cubs have played an inordinately large majority of their games at home and that is how they have built up their great record (or words to that affect). Not 10 seconds earlier (literally, as I hit the "back 10 seconds" button on the DVR), they had put up the home-road records, showing they had played 39 games at home, 36 on the road. Yes Joe! 52% is far outside anyone’s definition of fairness 75 games into the season. Dweeb.
Dome-san!!
by Goat Whisperer on Jun 23, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Obviously you are not one of those
INTERESTED
Thanks for piling on though, but you shouldn’t have wasted your time. We’re just an online community of passionate fans that are tired of much more than one comment about the basket.
Go ahead, Z me.
Then by all mean, keep firing away to ESPN...
I am interested, but the back of the camel known as Joe Morgan has to be made of titanium. If it hasn’t broken by now, his basket comment sure won’t add to the weight. Especially when he spent most of his time praising Mr. Cub.
The fire-able offense comment addresses the 2d to last paragraph of Al’s intro.
And thanks for the clarification of what BCB is. Who knew?
Dome-san!!
by Goat Whisperer on Jun 23, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree here
Joe Morgan is incorrect on tons of stuff. He ain’t going anywhere. If Chris Berman can survive all those YouTube videos, then Morgan surely is OK.
The firing thing is a little much. What’s that saying about glass houses?
Here is the link
to where you can lodge a complaint about Joe Morgan with ESPN:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?page=contact/espntv
I did it too.
Here’s what I wrote:
Morgan’s comments - repeated consistently every time you cover a game at Wrigley Field - that the outfield basket was installed to help Ernie Banks hit HR, and that it was called “Banks Boulevard”—are blatant lies. The facts belie that.Please see the following post on my website for full details:
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2008/6/23/556907/in-rainbows-cubs-7-white-s
Your network owes the Cubs, Ernie and Cub fans a full apology. Next Sunday’s telecast would be a good time.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I officially sent in my complaint
"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano
by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jun 23, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
that's actually a good idea
if the argument is misrepresenting facts
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 23, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
done.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 23, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
done
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 23, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Done
I complained also. I am disgusted with Morgan, and ESPN.
by TheHawkRules on Jun 23, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
done
This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
by HectorVillanueva on Jun 23, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Done...
...though the 500 character limit was a problem for me. I assume that no one reads those messages, so a snail mail address might be more effective. I would just drive over the studio to make my complaints in person (studios are about 45 minutes drive from my place), but they do make it difficult to get through the front gate.
Thanks for the link.
Done and done.
Next Sunday’s telecast could be very interesting.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 23, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
done
Though I missed this instance of Joe Morgan idiocy by playing the WGN radio feed over the net (with the TV muted) – I synced it up as soon as I saw Morgan’s face. I’ve heard his insults and lame ramblings too many times before.
Win.
by RavenswoodRob on Jun 23, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Guys, it's nice you
are all passionate about this, and I am too - but nothing will change. There will be no ‘correction,’ there will be no apology. Only guys that seem to offend ‘other’ sensibilities get canned - Steve Lyons, from Fox, for one —Harold Reynolds, another example from ESPN.
Factual errors are never corrected—never. Morgan seems to be able to say and do whatever he wants. As long as he doesn’t grope an intern, he’s going to be fine.
All the huffing and puffing is a waste of time. All the ‘1908/Bartma/Goat references will end when the team wins. I was trying to time how long it would take last night for somebody to mention “1908” and by my count (unofficial, of course) it was 70 mins into the broadcast.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 23, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
all that is required for bad things to continue
is for good people to stand by and do nothing.
Yes, that’s a paraphrase.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 23, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
As was mentioned earlier, I’m sure nothing will change. But if we did nothing at all I’m positive nothing would change.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 23, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
At least they'll know that people notice.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Done.
It probably won’t help but it made me feel better. I like Al’s suggestion that they bring it up on next Sunday’s broadcast. They probably won’t (pompous asses).
While we are at it, did anyone get annoyed at Miller’s constant references to “Number 1 playing Number 1”? I got the feeling that their preparation for this broadcast involved learning two or three facts and winging it from there.
IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!
by Cubfansince1957 on Jun 23, 2008 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I didnt know the schedule off the top of my head
But I remember thinking last night that if the Cubs won that today would be a perfect offday. You dont want a let down after a series like that at all. The day off lets them breathe from what was a crazy weekend and start it up again tomorrow.
GREAT WEEKEND.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
I was also getting slighty annoyed with the constant Dempster being 8-0 at home
Does anyone realize that his ERA is actually BETTER on the road and that in 1 of his 2 losses he gave up ZERO runs.
FWIW---Season ends today Dempster and Lincecum are 2 and 3 in CY voting. Hes been such a positive, and a guy that can get the bunt down as well
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
Stuff
To start what a weekend, your right Al we need to enjoy these times.
Below is Maritti’s article:
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/mariotti/1019401,mariotti062308.article
Maritti is a very biased jerk and I have trashed him many times on this site but he is at least interesting, I can’t say that about many writers in town. His article illustrates why I have problems with the Sox, they never shut up. Kenny Williams is the enabler for his manager and team.
Finally did anyone notice when Joe Morgan was talking about Derosa finally finding a position at second? Does Morgan do any research? I really think he just goes on-air with the information he has picked up along the way.
Lets do it Cubbies
is anyone else??
as frustrated as I am at seeing marmol, howry, AND wood all up to at least warm-up when we have a 7-1 lead? don’t get me wrong, i’m thrilled with the way this season is going, but it drives me crazy when lou and larry refuse to use any of our other relievers when we have that big a lead. give the big three some rest!!!
by gocubsgoradio720 on Jun 23, 2008 9:14 AM CDT reply actions
Yep
Lou really needs to trust other people in the bullpen, they at least warm up most games.
Lets do it Cubbies
Last night's game...
... was one or two hits away in the 9th from being a tight save situation. Howry’s been shaky. Wood wasn’t throwing very hard. I didn’t have a problem with that, especially with the off day today.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
There will...
too many games where the Cubs blow the other team out to the point where the opposition don’t have a chance or two to make a comeback. I just think the uses those 3, especially Marmol to liberally. I just don’t want it to bite the Cubs at the end of the year. As Hendry says they plan from the end of the year backwards…or something like that.
Lets do it Cubbies
Point taken.
However, assuming mechanical problems can be fixed, it appears Marmol thrives on the extra work.
Let’s see what happens in the next few weeks. One of the problems is that Lou refuses to use Jon Lieber properly. He’s a long reliever! He can be used for two or three innings at a time, but Lou never does.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I agree with that
In these games the Cubs are up 4-5 runs Lieber should be put in when the starter is pulled and finish the game if possible.
Lets do it Cubbies
Yeah...
...I thought Lieber should have gotten some work in, especially Saturday/Sunday w/ decent leads. He’s made only 4 appearances all month – you’d think the long relievers’d have to get some work to keep sharp, also…
by Shawon O Meter on Jun 23, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Who is this Lieber you speak of?
Is he on the team?
:)
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 23, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
He's an anti-anti-grav device.
He keeps the bullpen chairs and/or benches from floating into space.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 23, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Speaking of the bullpen...
...whenever you see a reliever warming up, the bullpen coach is always holding a binder and going over things w/ the reliever(s). Anyone know for sure what the binder’s all about? My only guess is that it’s scouting reports on the upcoming hitters…unless he’s just reading the reliever’s favorite book. Maybe Marmol’s getting a dose of Green Eggs ‘n Ham before Lou makes the call…
by Shawon O Meter on Jun 23, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I heard Len and Bob say the book is scouting reports on the batters he'll face.
This was in a broadcast some weeks ago.
IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!
by Cubfansince1957 on Jun 23, 2008 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
1 Other thing
Of course ESPN finds a way to factor Bartman and ‘03 into the beginning of their telecast.
Lets do it Cubbies
More ESPN hate....
I was working late last night, and Hey the game is being rebroadcast at 2:00 am. Which is excellent because I was unable to watch the majority of the game.
So I happily watch the first inning, Cubs up 2-0.
Goes to commercial, comes out of commercial with the “We are moving forward in the game due to time constraints, right after this commercial message”. Game comes back on in the Top of the Fifth with two outs. Dempster throws like five pitches, end of inning and back to commercial.
Comes out of commercial with “We are moving forward…...., right after this commercial message.”
Come back to the game, Fukudome is on first and Patterson is up to bat. Don’t remember the inning, Patterson hits his homerun(He’s looked good.), Lee makes an out. Ramirez hits his homerun and runs around the bases, but before he can touch home plate they cut to commercial.
After the commercials they come back with “We are moving forward….,RIGHT AFTER THIS COMMERCIAL MESSAGE,”
So now I have seen 1 2/3 innings of baseball and its an hour or so into the broadcast, I decided it wasn’t worth it and turned off the television. If they would have shown half the commercials they could have shown almost twice as much baseball.
This is SOP
on those late-night “rebroadcasts.”
Better invest in a DVR.
It's a girl! Born 1-18-08. 2246 PST. 8 lbs. 1 oz.
by Josh Timmers on Jun 23, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
The commercials....
are the point, not the game. This is just a way for ESPN to show some highlights from a game in a 2-hr package. It’s never been a ‘game rebroadcast.’
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 23, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
You misunderstand
and think that ESPN exists to show sports on TV. Nope, they exist to sell commercials. and sports are the filler around the commercials.
by bubbamike the one and only on Jun 23, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Al can you post the appropriate email
of people we all could send emails to with complaints. I feel you know the right outlets, and I might just go ahead and make a facebook group to spread the hate, maybe just maybe we can have some kind of influence on this
"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano
by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jun 23, 2008 9:25 AM CDT reply actions
See the links above for email contact info.
Other than that, I don’t know any specific people to send emails to.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I don't use this word to describe many people
But Joe Morgan is a certified asshat.
Sorry, Dr. Asshat.
"Hey! If the moon were made of ribs, wouldja eat it? I know I would!"
I'm sure this will help
if any ESPN rep follows Al’s link and comes here to see a dignified argument against Joe Morgan.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 23, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Olney on Cubs chances for Sabathia
Buster in his blog today:
The Cubs would rank first in motivation, given the 100-year thing; they’d love to have Sabathia, he would be perfect for them, and he and a healthy Carlos Zambrano could match up against any duo from any contender in the National League. The rest of the motivation rankings might go something like this, given the current standings: Brewers, Dodgers, Phillies, Rangers, Yankees, Red Sox, Rays, etc.And the Cubs run into some serious problems, according to rival talent evaluators, in the ranking of prospective offers; they don’t have the kind of high-end talent that might be needed to pry Sabathia away from Cleveland, although they probably could go all-in with their best pieces and fashion an acceptable offer.
Will the Cubs go “all-in”? I tend to think, yes, they will.
John Perotto over at BP (behind a subscriber wall) said the Cubs are packaging Rich Hill and Matt Murton.
Wow.
If the Indians would do that, I’d do that deal yesterday. But I can’t believe Cleveland would let Sabathia go for a middling-talent outfielder and a pitcher who’s apparently having psychological problems.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
You cant believe it because its ridiculous
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
Oh, to be clear
Perotto is not saying we’d get Sabathia for Hill and Murton. His rumor was separate. Here’s a quote from him:
The Cubs are willing to package left-hander Rich Hill and outfielder Matt Murton in a trade for a starting pitcher or center fielder, though they have not inquired about Red Sox outfielder Coco Crisp lately.
Oh, I get it.
Still, Murton and Hill for a major league starting pitcher—I’d do that.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Depends on the pitcher.
Would you do it for Maddux? for Burnett?
Remember, we’ve still got 3 or 4 years of Hill at the ML level if he does get worked out.
Would you give up all the years of Hill, of Gallagher, plus Mark DeRosa and another prospect or two for CC?
That's a pretty steep price
I’m willing to trade the future for the present if it makes the Cubs the prohibitive favorite, but DeRosa is a big part of the present. Hill and Gallagher for Sabathia? If they could sign him to an extension—I would, but I suspect I’ll be in the minority here.
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 23, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
The Indians...
... have already said they won’t grant a 72-hour window for whoever trades for him to try to negotiate an extension. So if you deal for Sabathia, it’s probably a rental.
Gallagher is a steep price to pay for a rental.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
If they stick to that statement, I agree.
They also said they weren’t going to trade him, though, didn’t they? Probably comes down to, is the offer big enough to make them change their minds.
The Brewers possibly getting CC is a concern, but I’m not sure that puts them over the top if they do.
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 23, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
It'd definitely help the Brewers if they could.
That’s why IF the Indians are serious, the Cubs have to step to the front of the line.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
No question -- CC would help anyone
And dreaming about him and Z in a short series for the Cubs . . . wow. I do wonder, though—would the Brewers take that chance on a rental? They’ve got a young core that should be good for a while, they don’t have the same urgency as the Cubs do, and right now, they’ve got a deficit to make up. It’s not a huge one, but still . . .
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 23, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I sat behind home plate on Friday to watch Hill pitch...
He was absolutely awful. Koyie Hill was working extremely hard to catch him. His fastball was somewhere between 86-87, and his signature looping curve was either hanging or two feet off the plate. There were wild pitches, past balls, etc. He looked really sad and lax on the mound.
I think everyone felt really sad for him. As he was leaving the game he got this really pathetic ovation from the crowd in sort of an Iowa-Nice sort of way. Poor Rich. It’s really sad to see him fall as far as he has.
Help me Obi-ONEDEC. You're our only hope.
I would give up
Murton and Hill in a heart beat without thinking twice for a CC rental. Sean would be a little tougher to throw in but I still would…I think. There is no guarantee that Hill ever makes it back to the majors. I like him and it’s is easy for me to say from my comfy seat but he seems to be a head case.
Lets do it Cubbies
They might get a SP for that
But no way that it is CC Sabathia.
C’mon folks, we’re not going to get a top of the rotation starter for wash-outs like Murton and Hill.
by salparadise23 on Jun 23, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Coco Crisp?
No thanks. After watching him botch Sunday’s Cardinals game, I’d pass. Waste of time.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 23, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
If Hendry got Sabathia for Murton and Hill...
...it would obliterate the Aramis Ramirez deal in terms of full-fledged fleecing. Seriously, Jimbo would have to use Jedi mind tricks to get a deal like that.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
"These ARE the prospects you're looking for."
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 23, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL
Excellent!
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 23, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think that Hill/Murton gets it done
nor did my original post intend to convey that. I do think that it is possible that if Sean Gallagher is made available, he might be the best pitching prospect on the trade market. If the Indians call the Brewers and ask for Gallardo and call the Yankees and ask for Hughes and call the Red Sox and ask for Buchholz and call the Dodgers and ask for Clayton – sure they might want those pitchers more than they want Gallagher, but all those other teams are going to say, “No.”
FYI -- the Brewers can't trade Gallardo while he's on the DL
Against the rules.
You’re probably right, though.
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 23, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess we are passionate
We just swept a series at home and we are bitching….LOVE IT.
Other at the other teams site they are complaining the Cubs were getting the calls on balls/striek
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
Saw some of the Red Sox game yesterday
and I am glad we didn’t get Coco Crisp. He misplayed two balls badly that allowed the Cards to score.
Did anyone else hear Morgan talk about DeRosa finally finding a home at second after being moved around. He is really bad. I hope the players get a good laugh out of it because he is laughable.
What about the fireworks last night?
I’m not talking about the Cubs’ bats. I’m at the beer stand and at around 9:15 some clown lights 10-12 super loud fireworks right from the sidewalk at Addison and they shoot above the stadium! Anyone have any info about that?
Fukudometer: Created 3/31/08 Wrigley Debut 4/5/08 WGN and Japan TV Debut 4/6/08 Sun Times Debut: 4/20/08
We all saw that.
At first it looked like it was coming from inside the park in the upper deck, but then it was clear that it was outside on Addison.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I almost spilled my beer...
...I hope someone was arrested.
Fukudometer: Created 3/31/08 Wrigley Debut 4/5/08 WGN and Japan TV Debut 4/6/08 Sun Times Debut: 4/20/08
Arrested for...?
Aggrevated Beer Spilling?
Involuntary Beer Slaughter?
Help me Obi-ONEDEC. You're our only hope.
And Miller took that opportunity
to admonish the Cubs for celebrating too early.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 23, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
That kinda freaked me out while it was happening.
I couldn’t tell whether the sound of the fireworks was coming from my TV or from outside of my house. The only reason I didn’t completely panic was none of the players on the field seemed to pay any attention to it.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Marmol
Glad to see him using video to work on his stuff. Dumb and Dumber made such a big deal about Dempster using video and talking to Maddox, I wonder who was helping Marmol with his video session. The way Tom and Jerry put it was Maddox was the only person who could make a person understand a video session.
I would like to see a nice Cub outing on Tuesday and give Marmol a chance to get in and work on the changes.
A Cub fan in Cardinal territory.
Maddox
Why would Dempster be talking to ex-Steeler’s QB Tommy Maddox?
j/k
Fukudometer: Created 3/31/08 Wrigley Debut 4/5/08 WGN and Japan TV Debut 4/6/08 Sun Times Debut: 4/20/08
Or maybe it was 1970's OF Elliott Maddox? Or 1970's OF Garry Maddox?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I know
As soon as I posted it, I screwed up. My wife was talking while I was posting. She needs to go back to work.
A Cub fan in Cardinal territory.
by FSArkCubsFan on Jun 23, 2008 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
It was Lester
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
by carolinacub on Jun 23, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I believe he means former Phillie, Garry Maddox
This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
by HectorVillanueva on Jun 23, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Another thing about Morgan
I know I should comment on the great series by the Cubs but another Joe Morgan comment that frustrated me was when he gave credit to Bill Williams and Ernie Banks as Hall of Famers it seemed as if he pre-planned his comments to leave out Sandberg. His hostility towards Ryno and the Cubs has become to evident. Oh well…let’s enjoy the day off and get set for Baltimore.
"Commit to the Indian!"
just a matter of time before he hates Jeff Kent
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
What inning did Morgan say that?
I’ll try to do a Red Lasso clip for it and post it for people who didn’t see it.
Old Style is the nectar of life.
We should be nice to Morgan, right?
He sits on the HOF veterans commmittee, which will decide in 2009 if our own Ron Santo can make it in to the Hall of Fame before he (gasp) dies.
I’m really worried that Ronnie won’t live to see the day.
Help me Obi-ONEDEC. You're our only hope.
Supposedly, Morgan has voted for Santo in the previous elections.
It’s Mike Schmidt who’s been lobbying to keep Santo out.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Are you serious?
Is there some animosity there or something?
Wasn’t it Santo that paved the way for the power hitting third baseman? If it wasn’t for Santo, Schmidt could have been one of the best hitting shortstops of all time.
Help me Obi-ONEDEC. You're our only hope.
True.
Schmidt turned into a jerk after he retired, apparently.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
And to be fair to Schmidt...
...in the most recent election, he wrote an eloquent column, I believe, stating that he had changed his mind and would henceforth be supporting Santo….
Does anyone have a link? I know I read this somewhere…
Somewhere over the rainbow
out dreams will come true. Al, was your son at the games this weekend? If he is still undefeated, we’ll be happy to send him to every game.
Just Friday.
He’s away at summer camp now till July 19… don’t worry. I’ll get him to a lot of games in August.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Morgan Clueless
When Mets 2nd baseman Luis Castillo misplayed a pop up at Wrigley …. Joe said
he was an American League guy coming from the Twins….. and didn’t know the winds in
Wrigley…........clueless as to Castillo’s years with the Marlins.
Morgan said Leyland didn’t know what he was talking about when he said Chemistry
was overated…. Morgan went on and on about how you needed it to win…. guess he
never heard of the Oakland A’s in his home area…
How did this guy get to be a HOF V.P. ? Thinks he is the greatest 2nd baseman to play
with all due respect to Ryno ….. R O G E R S H O R N S B Y
by nimblenikelfoos on Jun 23, 2008 10:33 AM CDT reply actions
And Morgan even PLAYED for the A's.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I literally watched the game on MLB Gameday last night...
...rather than tune in BECAUSE of who was broadcasting the game. Those 2 truly blow raw monkey.
Wait a minute... who am I here?
as opposed to cooked monkey?
I'm a good speller, but my typing creates a SERIOUS vacuum. (especially while I'm at work sticking it to the man)
Yes, blowing cooked monkey is actually rather easy...
...because it tastes like chicken (more or less). Blowing raw monkey is a much more difficult feat.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Blowing cooked monkey
is a method of cooling it before consumption. In places where monkey is an accepted form of sustenance.
On the other hand, blowing raw monkey leaves you with quite a mess. I think it’s illegal, too.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 23, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmmm...I guess it won't be surprising...
...if we see a new quickfire challenge on Top Chef next season based on this oft overloooked cuisine.
I'm a good speller, but my typing creates a SERIOUS vacuum. (especially while I'm at work sticking it to the man)
They DID eat chilled monkey brains in Temple of Doom, so...
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 23, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Possibly the best part of the movie
along with the baby snakes. Are we OT? Or perhaps out of bounds even?
I'm a good speller, but my typing creates a SERIOUS vacuum. (especially while I'm at work sticking it to the man)
Not really
cos I think carving open the big snake to let all the little snakes slither about and wreak havoc is akin to the way Sweet Lou has begat this fine Cubs team who are now wreaking havoc all over the Major Leagues.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 23, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
And grew up and still lives
in the East Bay Area.
It's a girl! Born 1-18-08. 2246 PST. 8 lbs. 1 oz.
by Josh Timmers on Jun 23, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Clueless Morgan was a muppet goat
I can’t think of a better mascot for the ESPN telecast of Cubs baseball.
This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
by HectorVillanueva on Jun 23, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Dude
don’t EVER diss the Muppets
Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
by CyberCyclist on Jun 23, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I love the Muppets
how else would I have recalled the name Clueless Morgan? However, with Joe’s obsession with the goat and his cluelessness (is that a word?), I thought it was a fitting symbol.
This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
by HectorVillanueva on Jun 23, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
it is a fitting symbol
I was just messing with you. Clueless Morgan would probably be a better analyst than J.M.
Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
by CyberCyclist on Jun 23, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, that really goes without saying.
This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
by HectorVillanueva on Jun 23, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
that would be great
Kermit doing the play by play with Morgan doing the analysis. Miss Piggy could do dugout interviews and Rizzo could sit on Ozzie’s shoulder.
Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
by CyberCyclist on Jun 23, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Of course, if the game was at Wrigley
Rizzo would have to be the same size as Miss Piggy
This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
by HectorVillanueva on Jun 23, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL
Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
by CyberCyclist on Jun 23, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Again....
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 23, 2008 10:51 AM CDT reply actions
with feelin'
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 23, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
that might just be
the funniest one from SWL. HAHAHA
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 23, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Priceless. Absolutely priceless.
And sooo accurate.
IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!
by Cubfansince1957 on Jun 23, 2008 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
E-Patterson
He is finally starting to show he can handle ML pitching. If he continues to do this consistently, E-Patt could become Lou’s favorite player. He could work the count, has some power, and top of that he is not a bad defensive player.
The thing about Shapiro is I don’t know if he is looking at quantity or quality. Is he demanding close to MLB ready players/proven young players, or does he want a bunch of type B prospects or players like Rich Hill, Pie etc. If it is quality he wants, I would imagine he would demand Gallagher along with another ready to go young player (possibly at this point Eric Patterson), and possibly a tyoe B prospect, but I don’t think Hendry will do that. Well, whatever Hendry is going to do he has to make sue that he won’t completely drain the farm system or give up players that we are most likely going to need in the future (e.g. Gallagher). Lets hope he demands quantity over quality, lol.
espn
i’m with all you guys regarding my hatred for games called by morgan and miller….however i do like some of things espn does production wise, in particular some of the camera angles from field level (i.e. showing epat coming around 3rd) or kzone…..i’ve always wondered why wgn doesn’t do some of these things or am i in the minority?
agreed
Those are cool features. Maybe WGN will start doing more of that. However, K-zone has probably been copyrighted or something.
Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
by CyberCyclist on Jun 23, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
I find the
batting average after each pitch count to be an interesting stat. I was amazed by two of them in particular:
Dome: something like .278 after on 0-2 count
Ramirez: something like .310 after a 1-2 count
Those are incredible!
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
Aramis with 2 strikes on him.....
..i remember Hendry a few years ago during an interview in the tv booth saying what a really good 2 strike hitter Aramis is.
Having a few guys on your team like Dome (and I believe Theriot is another) and Aramis who are both fearless and frutiful 2 strike hitters is an advantage that almost cannot be over stated. Edmonds seems like he’s been pretty tough with 2 strikes as well.
Some hitters-as soon as they fall behind on the count with 2 strikes-you can almost know that they’re dead meat
I'm a good speller, but my typing creates a SERIOUS vacuum. (especially while I'm at work sticking it to the man)
Other teams
use the same pitching illustration under different names. WGN, for whatever reason still avoids this feature. Padres/Cox TV uses a similar pitch-tracker.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 23, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
K-Zone is something I liked
though I’m not sure what’s behind it that makes it accurate or not. But it is nice to have on those close called balls and strikes. Watching the Red Sox and Cards on TBS earlier in the day I noticed they also use it though I don’t know if it goes by a different name.
I didn’t like the in-game updates every 5 minutes of College baseball and I’m also not a big fan of taking away from the game for the dugout interviews. Same as I feel for the WGN 7th inn guest.
Go ahead, Z me.
Right...
Like the lead singer for Fall Out Boy doing a worthless interview. Who cares?
Someone interesting that has some actual insight to the game, but the seventh inning stretch has become too much of a Celebrity love fest, what record or movie they’re working on, etc, and not enough about the love of the game.
It would be awesome if Ron Santo became the new Harry, singing every 7th inning.
Help me Obi-ONEDEC. You're our only hope.
Who cares?
Umm, all the emo kids at home on a Saturday afternoon watching baseball. ALL OF THEM!
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 23, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL...
...I wish I could write songs about the pain in my suburban life, whine about it in a song and get paid for it. Ahh, to be emo…
Help me Obi-ONEDEC. You're our only hope.
Inspiration can be found in all places.
Like the time I went to Hot Topic and they were all sold out of AFI t-shirts.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 23, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
:blows reverse mullet out of eyes:
Nothing.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 23, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Camera Angle
From behind ARam on his HR was tremendous.
Dome-san!!
by Goat Whisperer on Jun 23, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
They had a side view for one pitch on his previous AB and it caused me to think how cool it would be to homer the one pitch they were filming differently. That was something.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 23, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
visuals by ESPN HD on Verizon FIOS and audio by Pat & Ron on MLB.tv radio feed
the only way to get the best of both worlds.
It takes some effort with pause and fast forward to get them ‘n sync’, but it’s worth it.
I agree some of the wide viewing angles were great on the epatt score on the error, etc. They gave you a feel for the whole play and a feel for being in the park. They reminded me of the wide angle shots WGN used in the throwback game.
Win.
by RavenswoodRob on Jun 23, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
That drives me crazy sometimes..
trying to get them in sync, but it’s well worth it..
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 23, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I also liked..
the closeup shot they did when E-Pat was caught stealing. Great stuff.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 23, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
dugout
or the robotic camera they have in the dugouts…...nothing is better than the up close shots of ozzie’s mug after rammy goes yard
To all you folks in town with Sox-fan friends
it sure is nice to rebut that “Cubs haven’t beat any worthy opponents” argument, eh?
For me, the Cub win combined with the loooooong dramatic Cardinal loss made for a sweet day.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 23, 2008 11:00 AM CDT reply actions
It would be awefully
hippocritical of Sox fans to make that argument now, you are right about that.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
That, or moranic.
Is “hippocritical” a pun?
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 23, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Cubbies are very good...
... and anyone who says they aren’t haven’t been watching or are letting their feelings get in the way of an honest, candid comment. And it’s much like Cubbie fans who denigrate the 2005 Sox and say they were lucky.
They were lucky
Even the best team has to get lucky to win. Nothing wrong with that. A good team makes it’s luck, look at what AJ did that pulled a game out when they could have lost it. That the Umpire bought his act is a tribute to him and to the luck of the team.
"In football the object is for the quarterback, also known as the
field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the
defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the
blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and
long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this
aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in
the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
"In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! - I hope I'll
be safe at home!"
by bubbamike the one and only on Jun 24, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
For the sake of Sox fans
I will exclude the actions of my two Sox friends from Saturday. Needless to say one of them is going to be embarrassed at work today with the 4 stitches in his face.
OT—-Drinking at 9am is usually a bad idea. (did I say too much)
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
p.s
I wasnt drinkning at 9am they were. Yikes. We had some at noon when people came over and we BBQd—-Great day, went to Lincoln Park fest afterwards where the weather couldnt have been better
OT again, I hate the Brown Line
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
The Morgan comment that caught my ear...
...occurred right after Vazquez hit Dome in the bottom of the fifth. He kept harping on the fact that Dome moves toward first base when he swings, and Morgan said something like, “It’s harder for Fukudome to spin out of the way of inside pitches because he’s moving to first.”
I’m sorry, but wouldn’t it be easier to spin away from a pitch if your body is already in motion? I mean, your momentum is already carrying you away from the plate, so wouldn’t that be an advantage to avoiding a ridiculously inside pitch like the one Vazquez threw? Or am I missing something here?
After all, Dome stands pretty close to the plate, and I believe that was his first HBP of the season. Obviously, I’m glad to hear he’s OK.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Morgan
seems to make a lot of comments without thinking about what he is saying. He thinks it’s baseball wisdom when he’s just spouting solid waste. It’s surprising that ESPN leaves him on when he is so clearly off base so often. The image above of Clueless Morgan fits him perfectly.
Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
by CyberCyclist on Jun 23, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I think he was thinking
that if you’re spinning away from the plate it’s harder for you to stop, reverse, and spin with your back to the mound to avoid the pitch.
But he could, you know, just keep spinning to his right to avoid the pitch.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 23, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Right, that's what I was thinking.
You would just need to follow your momentum to the right.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
In addition to what tal said...
You expose your hands, elbows, and face that way. You’d much rather expose the back of your shoulders.
Did you guys happen to catch last Sunday night's game with Morgan?
Was in the gargage working and had it on in the background-Morgan went on triple ad nauseum about how a switch hitter like Chipper has a better chance at .400 than a left handed speedster. And I mean Triple quintuple AD NAUSEUM…..they get a live dugout interview with Bravo hitting coach Terry Pendleton and Joe asks him which hitter has a better chance-thinking he’ll get validation--WRONG!!! Pendleton said left handed speedster—BBBWWAAAHHHHHAHAHAH.
I swear that even though he’d neve radmit it—Jon Miller enjoys baiting him and probably also thinks that Joe is a chowder headed nitwit.
I'm a good speller, but my typing creates a SERIOUS vacuum. (especially while I'm at work sticking it to the man)
Maybe you're on to something.
It’s like the friend-of-a-friend you can’t stand, but they’re so inept that you find enjoyment in baiting them.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 23, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
That was priceless..
It’s just too bad that Miller has to dumb himself down while on the air with Morgan. He’s really not too bad when he does Giant games.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 23, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought the same thing when Morgan said that
"Commit to the Indian!"
by Bpatterson83 on Jun 23, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
RJ just stated those reports about going to the DL ae "false"
Hendry never mentioned this to RJ and it would make no sense putting him on the DL (that is assuming he is healthy) considering Hoffpauir and Murton could both be send down for the return of Ward and Marshall.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/1019129,CST-SPT-cubnt23.article
For the love of God
Please stop with the incessant bashing of ESPN. We are 20 games over. Do we need everyone in the media to agree with us. Hit the mute, turn the channel and redirect your energy. Stay positive and enjoy the summer. GO CUBS
I don't have a huge problem with ESPN....
but Joe Morgan is another story.
I'm a good speller, but my typing creates a SERIOUS vacuum. (especially while I'm at work sticking it to the man)
FYI
Get a look at the last two game threads over on the SouthSideSox site. Honestly BRUTAL. If you were to put those post over here there would be mass banning.
Including this nugget
“That FUKU guy, I heard he wung the wong number”
Gimme a break.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
I think it was Saturday's game..
Someone there posted..
Sox = Cubs little bitches
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 23, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
read that too
but the trickle down effect from Kenny and Ozzie whining leads right into that site. Including how there were two strikezones and more….
I constantly read “Not to get all Hawk on you but that pitch was brutal”
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
Then our trickle down effect
would be to win and keep winning.
And, possibly, overeat.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 23, 2008 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Dignity.
Always dignity.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 23, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Well you can add the comment about Edmonds, the 'giant rats', the 'Cubs fans are idiots'...
... and countless others to that. And, sadly, those are just the ones coming from the Sux PLAYERS and MANAGER. LOL
Wait a minute... who am I here?
AJ needs to shut his mouth
My buddies girlfriend WASHES AND COLORS HIS HAIR and told me that he is the biggest loser to ever walk in there and that he really thinks he is very special.
I told her to tell him GO CUBS
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
Have her shave a Cubs logo in his head.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 23, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
If she ever gets really mad at A.J. ...
...she should punch him the mouth and say something like, “I didn’t have the cream rinse, bitch!”
Nanika Ga Okoru!
So we forgave Edmonds, right??? What if AJ....
was on our team? Would we enjoy the way he hustles to backup first or baits the opposing hitters?
I'm a good speller, but my typing creates a SERIOUS vacuum. (especially while I'm at work sticking it to the man)
Please, I'm having lunch..
I could never enjoy that asshat…
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
I figured as much ;c-)
He pretty much has held the belt for years as baseball’s heavyweight champion butthead.
I'm a good speller, but my typing creates a SERIOUS vacuum. (especially while I'm at work sticking it to the man)
I'm a Cubs fan.
I cheer the blue and red, regardless of who wears it.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 23, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
It's been a long process for me...
...getting used to Jedmonds being a Cub – and I’m almost there. I would guess it would take me twice as long to accept A.J.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
If he could help the team
I wouldn’t have a problem.
by bubbamike the one and only on Jun 23, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
that whole thread
went some very ugly places… and not ONE person over there cared.
I’m not little miss politically correct by any means, but…wow.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 23, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Winning breeds chemistry.
Losing breeds animosity.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 23, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
they're pretty pathetic. They were calling it a sweep
in the middle of Game 2. I think they know that their team is about to tumble.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 23, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
It was a great
weekend of Cubs baseball. I don’t understand all of the comments coming from the Sux players. It’s too bad they feel so inferior to the Cubs. I hope Danks kept that clothes pin..I’m sure the smell of defeat is worse than the smell of urine.
I don't get it either...
...and I can’t remember them ever being so ‘chatty’ about the Cubs in general. Granted, a couple of their guys have been saying the ‘right’ things (“doesn’t matter who we play, we just need to win…”, etc.) but most haven’t, at least most that have been the loudest about it. It just seems foolish.
Am I the only one who thought it looked like Ozzie was literally POUTING in the dugout late in the game yesterday? That’s just nuts at the MLB level, if you ask me…
Wait a minute... who am I here?
YOU LEAVE OZZIE ALONE!
He works hard! He cares! Wah wah wah wah wah!
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 23, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Chicago will always be a Cub town at heart....
...no matter what the White Sox do. It’s a fact. That’s what really frosts their collective cake. Envy, jealously—and perhaps a couple other of the seven deadlys.
I'm a good speller, but my typing creates a SERIOUS vacuum. (especially while I'm at work sticking it to the man)
I dunno
I bet Lou beats Ozzie on Gluttony. On the other hand, Lou is a better rapper.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 23, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Classic Sue!! Smell of defeat > smell of urine
I'm a good speller, but my typing creates a SERIOUS vacuum. (especially while I'm at work sticking it to the man)
I saw a few of these last year's Cubs-Sox game...lol.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
ah,
to be going to the cell next weekend with that shirt…
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 23, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm guessing you wouldn't live long.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
the mentality at those games can be befuddling...
..one time in ‘83, I was walking into Comiskey with a Reds hat on (I was big Pete fan) and a couple of 35th and Shields looney tune types started giving me a ration of AJ about it. Wearing an NL team hat wasn’t acceptable—blows were not exchanged, but it was a little ugly.
I'm a good speller, but my typing creates a SERIOUS vacuum. (especially while I'm at work sticking it to the man)
If you go to the jail Cell next weekend
you may want to invest in your future. As in having one, now this would be priceless.
Go ahead, Z me.
I can never get the link icon to work
I'm a good speller, but my typing creates a SERIOUS vacuum. (especially while I'm at work sticking it to the man)
My favorite Cell story.
I went to this game on June 28, 2002, where the Cubs blew an 8-0 lead and lost 13-8.
I walked out of there - wearing my Kerry Wood jersey - and heard the usual Sox fan taunts, “Cubs suck!” (How original, right?)
I turned around and said, “I can’t argue with that today.”
Shut ‘em right up.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
And no one finds that shirt offensive?
But the off the cuff comment by a 23 yr old Sox pitcher is offensive?
Not a valid response unless the posters laughing about the shirt
are complaining about Danks. If they are, then it is indeed inconsistent.
I think the better solution is to not be so thin-skinned about it for all fans, like Al’s comment above. Personally, I don’t give a rat’s arse what Pierzynski, Danks or Guillien think. I’m focusing on the Cubs.
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 23, 2008 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
?
I'm a good speller, but my typing creates a SERIOUS vacuum. (especially while I'm at work sticking it to the man)
No idea he posted here.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 23, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Al, thanks again
for the great pics!! I was watching the game last night and said to my self, it would be great to have a pic of the rainbow over wrigley like that, and sure enough you must have read my mind!!!
by bleed that blue on Jun 23, 2008 2:36 PM CDT reply actions
Happy Anniversary, Ryno!
Today is the 24th anniversary of the “Sandberg Game.” http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN198406230.shtml
One of the greatest games in Cub History.
One day, the dream will come true.
Nut on the field
Sometime in the last ten years - I can’t remember exactly when - someone jumped over it and landed on the field.
A friend and I went to a day-after-opening-day game back in the late 70s. It was a cold, drizzly day, and the Cubs played the (then) ‘Spos. Somewhere during the game, some nutball jumped out of the bleachers and ran around in the outfield for some several minutes before being led away.
The game also featured Ellis Valentine bumping an ump, if memory serves.
So there was one before the last ten years, and the basket was in place.
I got an email about this.
The date I was thinking of was August 2, 1999, the day Mark Grace got his 2000th hit.
The guy did break both his ankles and they had to drag him off the field.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
The guy playing catch............
............in the light drizzle was not Ozzie, but actually Octavio Dotel. I was seated in left-center, and it was Dotel horsing around with the fans.
His gestures were rude, but I’ve seen guys on the “Pro Bowlers Tour” do the same thing.
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns
Thanks for this.
I got an email confirming this (not that I don’t believe you, because I do). I’ll post this on the main page later today.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
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