In Rainbows: Cubs 7, White Sox 1
After it rained before the game for the third day in a row (delaying the start about ten minutes), a beautiful rainbow appeared in the sky to the east of the ballpark; both kaseyi and I took photos, from two different angles -- and the second one I took shows a rare "double rainbow". That's probably the brightest rainbow I've ever seen above Wrigley Field.
And isn't that a good metaphor for this season so far? The Cubs shone brightly this entire weekend, sweeping the White Sox (their sixth straight win over the Sox dating back to last year), this time dominating them in a 7-1 victory where the Cubs, for the first time in the series, led from start to finish. They scored virtually every way you could think of -- from walks and stolen bases and wild pitches to home runs, another one from Aramis Ramirez (hot again, four HR in the series), and Eric Patterson's first major league dinger (extremely small sample size, but he's shown the last two days why a lot of people here think he should have been on the roster all year). The Cubs hit nine HR in all this weekend, and the usually-volatile Ozzie Guillen actually said some charitable things afterward:
"Believe me, I like it," he said. "I talked to the players and said this is the best scenario you can ever have. If [no fans] show up, if no media show up, that means these games don't mean anything for the city. It's fun for the players -- the players enjoy it. I've never seen the city so into this three-game series, and there's another one next weekend.
"The Cubs, they beat the [hell] out of us. They played better than we did. That's the main thing. If people are mad about it, well, are we smiling in here? Are we happy? Are we celebrating that we lost against them? No."
Before you think I'm getting soft on Ozzie, I should point out that during the rain, while the tarp was still on the field, he was in CF throwing a ball around with someone -- I think it might have been one of his sons -- and making what appeared to be obscene gestures with his hips toward bleacher fans.
Ozzie. Gotta love him, right? Thankfully, the Cubs had extra security in the bleachers last night -- they needed it, as the crowd, likely overfueled from being able to party all day before the Sunday night game, was pretty rowdy. There were quite a few ejections, both of people wearing Cubs AND White Sox clothes (many of the ejections appeared to be for underage drinking, a chronic problem at Wrigley).
OK, enough of that. How about some love for Ryan Dempster? I never thought he could become a good starter -- it had been five years since he had started regularly, he always walked too many batters, etc. But give Dempster all the credit -- he lost weight, got in shape, and worked his butt off, and the results can be seen with every start. Until the 6th, every out was either a strikeout or an infield grounder. After that the Sox did start hitting some line drives, but Dempster gutted it out through 8, getting a standing ovation when batting in the 8th, and might have finished had he not allowed the first two Sox hits in the 9th. Bob Howry -- this is encouraging -- put the next three down in order to finish it.
More good stuff: Kosuke Fukudome, who seemed a bit less patient than usual in his first few days leading off, walked to lead off the game -- on four pitches. Then Patterson walked -- on four pitches. Patterson didn't see a strike till his third at-bat -- when he homered after Fukudome had been hit by a Javier Vazquez pitch. It wasn't intentional -- Vazquez was wild all night -- and it was an anxious moment briefly, as Fukudome appeared at first to be injured, but he shook it off.
Even more good news: Bruce Miles tells us that video reviews of Carlos Marmol's delivery have apparently found some flaws and Marmol's going to fix them:Marmol seemed upbeat about the video session.
"I was looking at video, what I did wrong and what I did good," he said. "I know what I'm doing now. I think (being too low) was a problem. I opened too soon. I'll just stay a little more on top."
Marmol added that he had a stretch like this in 2006, when he was a starter for a time with the Cubs.
"I think I can fix this," he said.
History in the making: the 14 consecutive home wins is the longest such streak in seventy-two years, since a 14-game home winning streak from June 4-July 10, 1936. The club record is 18, set in 1935, the first 18 of the team-record 21-game winning streak that helped that '35 team win the NL pennant (yes, homestands in that era were typically far longer than they are today). The 1935 Cubs are the last Cub team to win 100 games.
As I have written many times here: savor this, revel in it, remember every moment, where you were, who you shared it with. We are experiencing things that have not been done in many generations of Cub teams.
Now, I must comment on last night's TV broadcast, which I did not, of course, see, but heard plenty about.
There are many reasons virtually all of us criticize Joe Morgan's "broadcasting" (the quotes are there for obvious reasons; he may be among the worst sports broadcasters in history). However, when he invents "facts" to back up his biases, I think he needs to be called on it and shown that doing this isn't just wrong, it's irresponsible. I speak here of his continued carping about the Wrigley Field outfield wall basket and his contention that Ernie Banks deposited "many" home runs into the basket. In fairness, I am compelled to point out that Morgan is correct (Gasp! Morgan is right about something!) when he says that the basket was installed for security reasons. Early in the 1970 season fans began to walk on top of the wall, which at the time was a flat surface, and some jumped onto the field. So, at the end of a homestand (I believe the one that ended on April 26, 1970), the Cubs put concrete on top of the wall, angled so no one could walk on it, and a basket which would take a fairly large jump to leap over. Sometime in the last ten years -- I can't remember exactly when -- someone jumped over it and landed on the field. The leap and 12-foot drop caused him to break both his ankles.
Ernie Banks was nearing the end of his career when this basket was installed. I went through Ernie’s game logs. After April 26, 1970, he hit 8 home runs at Wrigley Field. Eight. The first one he hit after that was one I personally witnessed -- his career #499, hit on May 9, 1970. That one didn’t go in the basket. Video exists of his 500th, hit three days after that, on May 12, 1970 -- you've probably seen this video, and know that one didn’t go in the basket, either.
That leaves six others. It's possible that all of them landed in the basket, but I doubt it. And even if that's true, that's six of 512 -- a little over 1% of his career total, maybe 2% of all he hit at Wrigley. The basket was never, ever called "Banks Boulevard", nor nicknamed after any other player. Just as a guess, without any corroborating information or formal research, I'd speculate that about 1-2% of all HR hit at Wrigley Field -- by the Cubs or by their opponents -- land in the basket (as Eric Patterson's did last night).
For promulgating this egregiously bad information on the air -- it's a blatant lie -- Joe Morgan should be immediately fired and ESPN should air a correction prominently on Baseball Tonight, and again at the beginning of next Sunday's telecast.
Enjoy this off day -- you can bet the Cubs are. Till tomorrow.
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Beautiful pictures, Al
It was a heck of a game – listening and making fun of Miller and Morgan was far better than putting up with Hawk and DJ at least.
This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
by HectorVillanueva on Jun 23, 2008 8:41 AM CDT 0 recs
Agreed
Even though the game last night was plenty of entertainment, it’s kinda fun to listen to the crap that comes out of Morgan’s mouth and just laugh at him and his ignorance.
I forgot where I read it this morning, but there was apparently a sign in the upper deck that a fan had brought to the game that read something like “Hey Joe – Ryan was a better than you!” Just classic.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on
Jun 23, 2008 8:45 AM CDT
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*Ryne
can’t believe I mistyped that
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on
Jun 23, 2008 8:49 AM CDT
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Did you know...
That the Rays swept us?
(making reference to the 30 times Morgan brought that up)
I must say i hate both Miller and Morgan, but it almost seemed last night that Miller was poking a stick at Morgan trying to get him to bash the Cubs and occasionally Morgan took the bait.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on
Jun 23, 2008 8:51 AM CDT
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I don't know if anyone else caught it
But when they interviewed Lou, Miller called him the manager of the White Sox, I could swear, amazing.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on
Jun 23, 2008 9:57 AM CDT
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Yeah
my girlfriend was leaving the room, stopped in her tracks, and came back in the room and said “Did he just say the manager of the White Sox?”
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
Jun 23, 2008 10:00 AM CDT
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Yep, heard that, too.
I wish Lou had made a joke about it.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Jun 23, 2008 11:20 AM CDT
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These guys are talking so fast
they can’t control the words that come out of their pie holes.
by JFCubFan on
Jun 23, 2008 12:24 PM CDT
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Yup, their cake holes either.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Jun 23, 2008 12:32 PM CDT
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Do you think Vazquez...
Regrets saying: ””You should go to the American League and you’ll see more potent lineups,”
Yea i doubt it too. I just dont understand why the Sox feel the need to bash our stadium, our fans, and our team. But i guess it works into our favor seeing that they are more focused on hating us than beating us!
For what it is worth, i spent roughly 60 games in the batting cage area (about 4 hours per game) and never saw 1 rat in there. Yes it is small, but Ozzie should wake up a little bit, his stadium was built in th 90s, and they royally screwed that up.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on Jun 23, 2008 8:49 AM CDT 0 recs
So bad, they painted it black.
Was trapped in traffic yesterday after noon on the Ryan and spend close to 40 minutes immediately next to the former blue seated spaceship. I’d never had the time to sit and look at Sox park and was surprised to notice that in addition to all the seat removal, roof line revisions and other stuff, they actually painted the non brick/stone/concrete surfaces black. I guess Reinsdorf thinks black is slimming.
by N Oakley on
Jun 23, 2008 8:53 AM CDT
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They messed up....
The seats, the BATTING CAGES, and all joking aside, the clubhouse is bigger, but not that much bigger.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on
Jun 23, 2008 8:56 AM CDT
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Marmol
I hope Marmol gets those “flaws” fixed. In my mind his performance is of bigger concern than our players on the DL. Lets hope he gets it together.
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand. - Homer J Simpson
by MikeOxbyg on Jun 23, 2008 8:50 AM CDT 0 recs
I'm sure he will.
His perfornance last year and up to last week should be proof that he just has a mechanical problem. Those can be fixed, and I’m certain this one will.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jun 23, 2008 8:55 AM CDT
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Is there any way we can start a mass petition
To ATLEAST get this recognized. There are people chiming in on the game that don’t understand, in this situation, the Cubs or for that matter, the White Sox, that are basing there information off what the ESPN broadcast gives them. This is just wrong. Miller is annoying but he would be better without Morgan. Lets start a petition of some sort to atleast be read and maybe somebody at ESPN will bring it up. Chances are unlikely but it would be interesting how many E-signatures we can get on this thing throughout all of the major league baseball blogging sites with their name and blogging site written down with a call of disgust for each person… just an idea, probably not reality.
"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano
by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jun 23, 2008 8:51 AM CDT 0 recs
We could just overwhelm
ESPN with emails on the subject. We could at least get recognition by next Sunday night maybe and a on air retraction from Morgan.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on
Jun 23, 2008 8:53 AM CDT
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I emailed this post's link...
... to the people at Fire Joe Morgan—I hope they’ll post about it.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jun 23, 2008 8:55 AM CDT
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I have no doubt Mose Schrute will rip em a new one.
---AC 00 00 00 - Believe
by mjk83 on
Jun 23, 2008 9:00 AM CDT
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+1
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on
Jun 23, 2008 10:20 AM CDT
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I just did
I sent ESPN an email regarding this. I would encourage you all to do the same. I doubt it will get anything done, but I KNOW doing nothing won’t get anything done.
"I'm not giving him a high-five ever again." - Sammy Sosa, joking about Moises Alou's personal habits
by MorePiePlease on
Jun 23, 2008 12:15 PM CDT
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Lets get rid of Miller too.
I want to slap him every time I hear him say Aramis Ramirez.
by adam316 on
Jun 23, 2008 9:13 AM CDT
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or Mar--MOLE
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
Jun 23, 2008 9:14 AM CDT
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ESPN Corrections
you can submit a ‘correction’ on the ESPN site. I just did for the Morgan “Banks Boulevard” comment.
by Spydey on
Jun 23, 2008 11:13 AM CDT
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If you found out a way to start that
I’d happily partipate
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on
Jun 23, 2008 11:33 AM CDT
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Last night wasnt the first time Morgan spewed...
...the factual inaccuracies of the basket and Banks’s supposed proclivity to hit HR’s there. This is the third game I have heard him spin this yarn in the past two seasons.
In two sentences he has managed to diminish a brilliant HOF career to a national audience.
Unfortunately I don’t think ESPN cares about inaccuracies on their broadcasts, if they did we wouldn’t have heard that for the third time.
by JB 23 on Jun 23, 2008 8:52 AM CDT 0 recs
i think you are right -
ESPN just wants the game on their tv network.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on
Jun 23, 2008 8:53 AM CDT
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the puke gag stimuli last night was exceptionally strong
My wife couldn’t figure out why I was yelling at the TV.
I’m all for a email campaign. Let’s do it. I have had it with this
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on
Jun 23, 2008 8:55 AM CDT
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i caught that too about the basket
plus, he kept referring to the AJ/Barrett fight as being played at Wrigley Field, despite constant replays of it.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
Jun 23, 2008 9:15 AM CDT
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Exactly!
Right after the replay he said something to the effect of, “Could you imagine what would have happened if the Sox were at home?”
Facepalm.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on
Jun 23, 2008 10:22 AM CDT
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I hate Morgan as a broadcaster
...and I’d be happy if he were removed from the Sunday telecast. (I do like Miller, however.)
Anyways, I’m wondering if there’s any truth to the Banks Boulevard thing. No, Cubs fans and Cubs broadcasters never called it that, and no Banks never hit more than a handful of homers into that basket at most. Those are the facts. But…
Morgan was an active, opposing player at the time the baskets were installed. Is it possible, that in HIS dugout, they saw the shiny new baskets and his teammates joked that they were installed to help the declining Ernie get his 500th home run? And then perhaps he hit one in there in front of his eyes and it was a running joke for him and his Astros/Reds teammates from there on out? And isn’t it possible that an opposing broadcaster back in the pre-internet days said something along those lines? Cubs fans never would have heard it. As FireJoeMorgan likes to point out, Joe doesn’t watch much baseball. He only watches the games he broadcasts, and I’m quite positive the only baseball he watched back in the day was the very games he played.
I’m just saying he’s old and confused, and nothing to get too worked up over.
by MikeJ on Jun 23, 2008 9:06 AM CDT 0 recs
Let's look at the facts...
... something Morgan never does.
Morgan wasn’t on the Reds while Banks was active—he was dealt to the Reds after the 1971 season.
Banks hit a three-run HR against the Astros on April 25, 1970—before the basket was installed. (Proof: me as witness. I was at that game. There was no basket then.)
The total number of HR hit by Banks against the Astros after that: zero. In fact, the total number of games Banks played against the Astros after that series in April 1970 ended was also zero. So Morgan never even witnessed Banks play against him after the basket was installed.
Nice try, Mike, but the facts don’t fit your scenario. Morgan has hated the Cubs for years, and misses no opportunity to slam them, even when he has to lie to do it.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jun 23, 2008 9:12 AM CDT
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ONEDEC'd
And all Sandberg did was play well, and the rest is history
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
Jun 23, 2008 9:16 AM CDT
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I guess my point is....
...he probably doesn’t think he’s lying. He probably remembers something along those lines, whether it happened or not. And he’s just a lousy broadcaster that, as you noted, has always hated to Cubs.
by MikeJ on
Jun 23, 2008 9:25 AM CDT
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OK, point conceded.
However, as someone who works in the TV business, I know that in general, TV managers have very low tolerance for that kind of thing constantly on the air. It astounds me that ESPN management lets him continue to do this.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jun 23, 2008 9:27 AM CDT
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Then
someone at ESPN should be responsible for setting him straight. If ESPN cared at all about their image as a national network (which they clearly don’t) they would not want to be represented by some one spewing statistical inaccuracies that are easily check and corrected.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on
Jun 23, 2008 9:27 AM CDT
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ESPN...
That is of course if ESPN even knows or cares if Joe is getting his facts wrong. I’m guessing they just assume all is well and never fact check these guys. The ratings stay high so they could prolly care less. They basically have zero competition and ESPN has just gotten fat and lazy.
by Peter on
Jun 23, 2008 11:26 AM CDT
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ESPN
I’d love to see any TV network broadcast a correction – ever. After working for newspapers and newswires, in which we had to file corrections for the slightest mistake, it’s disappointing to see the egregious flaws on both network, local and sports news go uncorrected.
"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979
by danimal15 on
Jun 23, 2008 11:27 AM CDT
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You guys missed a positive comment from Joe
He said at one point that the Cubs are the best team in the National League this year. It was a backhanded compliment, though, because of the way he said it. He said in his view, the whole league was weaker but the Cubs were stronger.
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Good news
Al, you are totally right about savoring this season. It seems like every hitter is finding a way to chip in. We are getting better than expected performances from several pitchers – Dempster the most obvious, but Marquis has been better than expected, too. That Marmol found the problem and should fix it is more good news. This after hearing that Z should only miss two starts. Thanks, also, Al and BCB community, for this site which is enchancing my enjoyment of the season.
by DGU on Jun 23, 2008 9:09 AM CDT 0 recs
ESPN: Contact Us
If you are interested, here is the online form to email ESPN. It will take a minute of your time, but a minute well spent if it forces ESPN to remove Morgan or at least makes him retract and apologize.
I just sent my email. Hope this works. Maybe a separate fanpost so it doesnt get lost in the shuffle would be a good idea.
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on Jun 23, 2008 9:11 AM CDT 0 recs
More FJM material...
Don’t get me wrong here. I’m a card-carrying member of the Joe Morgan is a Dillweed Society, but talking out his wazoo about the basket is a fire-able offense? You’re wasting your time complaining to ESPN.
One of the things that bugged me is when he was talking about how the Cubs have played an inordinately large majority of their games at home and that is how they have built up their great record (or words to that affect). Not 10 seconds earlier (literally, as I hit the "back 10 seconds" button on the DVR), they had put up the home-road records, showing they had played 39 games at home, 36 on the road. Yes Joe! 52% is far outside anyone’s definition of fairness 75 games into the season. Dweeb.
Dome-san!!
by Goat Whisperer on
Jun 23, 2008 10:18 AM CDT
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Obviously you are not one of those
INTERESTED
Thanks for piling on though, but you shouldn’t have wasted your time. We’re just an online community of passionate fans that are tired of much more than one comment about the basket.
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on
Jun 23, 2008 10:24 AM CDT
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Then by all mean, keep firing away to ESPN...
I am interested, but the back of the camel known as Joe Morgan has to be made of titanium. If it hasn’t broken by now, his basket comment sure won’t add to the weight. Especially when he spent most of his time praising Mr. Cub.
The fire-able offense comment addresses the 2d to last paragraph of Al’s intro.
And thanks for the clarification of what BCB is. Who knew?
Dome-san!!
by Goat Whisperer on
Jun 23, 2008 10:35 AM CDT
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I agree here
Joe Morgan is incorrect on tons of stuff. He ain’t going anywhere. If Chris Berman can survive all those YouTube videos, then Morgan surely is OK.
The firing thing is a little much. What’s that saying about glass houses?
by lamentir on
Jun 23, 2008 12:27 PM CDT
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Here is the link
to where you can lodge a complaint about Joe Morgan with ESPN:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?page=contact/espntv
by dfrancon on Jun 23, 2008 9:11 AM CDT 0 recs
Done
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand. - Homer J Simpson
by MikeOxbyg on
Jun 23, 2008 9:16 AM CDT
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I did it too.
Here’s what I wrote:
Morgan’s comments - repeated consistently every time you cover a game at Wrigley Field - that the outfield basket was installed to help Ernie Banks hit HR, and that it was called “Banks Boulevard”—are blatant lies. The facts belie that.Please see the following post on my website for full details:
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2008/6/23/556907/in-rainbows-cubs-7-white-s
Your network owes the Cubs, Ernie and Cub fans a full apology. Next Sunday’s telecast would be a good time.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jun 23, 2008 9:18 AM CDT
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I officially sent in my complaint
"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano
by SouthsideCUBSfan on
Jun 23, 2008 9:36 AM CDT
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I would also suggest e-mailing the ombudsman about this,
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on
Jun 23, 2008 10:39 AM CDT
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that's actually a good idea
if the argument is misrepresenting facts
by Shanghai Badger on
Jun 23, 2008 10:44 AM CDT
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Which it is.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jun 23, 2008 1:18 PM CDT
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done.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on
Jun 23, 2008 11:36 AM CDT
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done
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on
Jun 23, 2008 9:26 AM CDT
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Done
I complained also. I am disgusted with Morgan, and ESPN.
by TheHawkRules on
Jun 23, 2008 9:46 AM CDT
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done
This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
by HectorVillanueva on
Jun 23, 2008 9:47 AM CDT
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Done...
...though the 500 character limit was a problem for me. I assume that no one reads those messages, so a snail mail address might be more effective. I would just drive over the studio to make my complaints in person (studios are about 45 minutes drive from my place), but they do make it difficult to get through the front gate.
by Qixotl on
Jun 23, 2008 10:17 AM CDT
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Thanks for the link.
Done and done.
Next Sunday’s telecast could be very interesting.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on
Jun 23, 2008 10:35 AM CDT
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done...
...though I was more polite than most, adding that on top of his shoddy commentary, Joe Morgan also has been seen torturing kittens.
Help me Obi-ONEDEC. You're our only hope.
by IowaCubs- on
Jun 23, 2008 11:04 AM CDT
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done
Though I missed this instance of Joe Morgan idiocy by playing the WGN radio feed over the net (with the TV muted) – I synced it up as soon as I saw Morgan’s face. I’ve heard his insults and lame ramblings too many times before.
Win.
by RavenswoodRob on
Jun 23, 2008 11:28 AM CDT
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Guys, it's nice you
are all passionate about this, and I am too - but nothing will change. There will be no ‘correction,’ there will be no apology. Only guys that seem to offend ‘other’ sensibilities get canned - Steve Lyons, from Fox, for one —Harold Reynolds, another example from ESPN.
Factual errors are never corrected—never. Morgan seems to be able to say and do whatever he wants. As long as he doesn’t grope an intern, he’s going to be fine.
All the huffing and puffing is a waste of time. All the ‘1908/Bartma/Goat references will end when the team wins. I was trying to time how long it would take last night for somebody to mention “1908” and by my count (unofficial, of course) it was 70 mins into the broadcast.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on
Jun 23, 2008 12:31 PM CDT
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all that is required for bad things to continue
is for good people to stand by and do nothing.
Yes, that’s a paraphrase.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
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