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I think Lou has brought a level of maturity to the Cubs.  They now act like they expect to win, just like the Yankees used to.  There are still joyous celebrations like after A-ram's walkoff homer, but on the whole they are acting like pros.  Contrast that with the sophomoric antics of the White Sox, typified by quotes from Guillen, Danks, and Pierzinski. Like their fans, their jealousy of all things Cub overrides their focus on playing winning baseball.

It makes quite a difference when adults are in charge.

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Well, it’s not like this is some great credit to Lou or the Cubs…it’s just what you’re supposed to do. Contrast that with Ozzie, who pretty much is the opposite of what you’d want in a manager, except for the passion which he has a ton of which is good.

by Canseco's Roid Party on Jun 23, 2008 7:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Did it hurt the Sox in '05?
...their jealousy of all things Cub overrides their focus on playing winning baseball.

by DrCrawdad on Jun 23, 2008 7:01 PM CDT reply actions  

No, obviously not.

Though I fail to see the point you’re so desperately trying to make.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 23, 2008 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

he has a point?

because all he seems to be to me is an angry bitter troll who doesn’t get the cubbie love.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 23, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, he's not.

But he does keep harping on something that happened three years ago. Maybe they ignored that in ‘05, but they seem as if they’re wallowing in that jealousy now.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jun 23, 2008 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Angry bitter..."

I suppose bitterness and anger impelled me to post this.

by DrCrawdad on Jun 23, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Praytell, then, what compelled you to post

This?

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 23, 2008 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Milquetoast excuse.

Drop it.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 24, 2008 6:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

As our great Coach Ditka said:

“Those who live in the past are cowards and losers”

A good day for me is a cubs win and a sox loss.

by diehardmark on Jun 23, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

the point is, you got that trophy, you got those rings

and yet your manager/GM/players feel compelled to talk trash about the stadium to the north—and then gets swept in three games. Badly. Obviously out-played.

Concentrate on the game. Concentrate on your own team. You’ve been successful when you do that.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jun 24, 2008 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know if it's Lou or not...

But they do appear very professional. This is glaringly apparent when you contrast them with Dusty’s Cubs teams, which seemed to do almost everything the wrong way. Lou’s boys have a very even keel to them, which to me explains why they come from behind to win so many games. They do not panic while they still have outs left.

What is truly amazing to me is that they feed off the unbelievable crowd energy at Wrigley without getting too geeked up at the same time. Just calm precision and fundamental soundness. Take what the other team gives you.

"Give 'im the heater!" -Lou Brown

by Goodie1969 on Jun 23, 2008 7:27 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree

If it wasn’t for Dusty, we might still have Stoney and Chip, (I love Len and Bob though) but it just shows you what kind of leader he was. I honestly didn’t hate the sox until this weekend, the fact that from the GM all the way down the the players and fans(not all players and fans) that they show no class or maturity is just ridiculous to me. I feel bad for guys like Konerko and Thome who probably hear some of those remarks and are just ashamed they wear the same jersey as some of those guys.

Svelte

by ryanbrixenivy on Jun 24, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

No sense in being like the White Sox fans

who are more interested in the Cubs losing than the Sox winning and in feeling superior to Cub fans. Fact is there are some very good players on the Sox, there are some great Sox fans who are intelligent and who don’t troll here. It is a silly rivalry when you don’t even play each other except 6 times a years because Bud’s an idiot.

Ozzie is Ozzie but he is no Al Lopez, now there was a classy guy.

"In football the object is for the quarterback, also known as the
field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the
defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the
blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and
long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this
aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in
the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

"In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! - I hope I'll
be safe at home!"

by bubbamike the one and only on Jun 23, 2008 7:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Troll or a liar?

Were you trolling or lying when you’ve posted negative messages in the Sox NG while claiming to be a Sox fan?

by DrCrawdad on Jun 23, 2008 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't believe that I ever posted

any negative articles in the Sox newgroup about the Sox. Now about Sox fans that is a different story.

Now go have a good summer, we’ll see you next weekend and maybe in October, if we’re both lucky.

"In football the object is for the quarterback, also known as the
field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the
defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the
blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and
long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this
aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in
the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

"In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! - I hope I'll
be safe at home!"

by bubbamike the one and only on Jun 23, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you think its wierd?

According to your profile you have over 1100 posts here but only 7 over at the SouthSideSox…......is that true or is it wrong?

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jun 24, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds about right to me

Sox fan who cares more about Cubs misery then the Sox winning. I can guarantee you that the first thing I will think of will not be the Sox if the Cubs ever win it all again….

by LT on Jun 24, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

And what about...

... those Cubbie fans who boast perpetually on this site and wherever Cubbie fans gather about how they are “superior” to Sox fans? Is that wrong?

by DrCrawdad on Jun 23, 2008 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

go ahead and show me a link

but I’d say that a group of fans that care about their team doing well more than they care about another team (not even in the SAME LEAGUE!) doing badly is superior.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jun 24, 2008 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are spot on.............

..............in several regards.

This so-called rivalry is nothing of the such. These teams have not played a truly meaningful game against each other since 1906. It’s only thanks to Selig’s folly of interleague play that the teams have met since.

So for fans on either side of the diamond to get all geeked up about this series shows that both teams have misguided fans following their respective ball teams.

That said, Sox fans suck down the Hate-o-rade at a far greater pace. Many wouldn’t cheer for the Cubs to beat the Twins, even if it meant it would get the South Siders to the post-season. Ridiculous to be sure, but all too prevelant.

It’s not to say there are no Cubs fans with similar views, but the percentage of Sox fans who enjoy Cubs losses more than Sox wins seems to be significantly higher in my experiences.

"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns

by tville on Jun 23, 2008 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ridiculous...
That said, Sox fans suck down the Hate-o-rade at a far greater pace. Many wouldn’t cheer for the Cubs to beat the Twins, even if it meant it would get the South Siders to the post-season. Ridiculous to be sure, but all too prevelant.

It’s not to say there are no Cubs fans with similar views, but the percentage of Sox fans who enjoy Cubs losses more than Sox wins seems to be significantly higher in my experiences.

This description of Sox fans is said by Cubbie fans frequently but I do not remember ever meeting a Sox fan as you describe. Me and every Sox fan I know will take a Sox win over a Cubbie loss any day. That’s the Sox fans that I know, but Cubbie fans love to twist it into something different entirely.

I don’t accept your description, but if we’re playing the “twist” then it’s also true that Cubbie fans are more concerned about being more popular than the Sox than they are about the Cubbies winning. Since popularity and attendance trophies are a preoccupation of many Cubbie fans.

by DrCrawdad on Jun 23, 2008 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now who's trotting out tired, laughably incorrect stereotypes?
Since popularity and attendance trophies are a preoccupation of many Cubbie fans.

Let’s just be happy both sides of town are playing winning baseball and lose the trite fanboy behavior. This kind of shit is exactly why people hate Red Sox and Yankee fans. Let’s not become those douchenozzles. The Cubs’ rivals are the Cardinals, not the White Sox; The White Sox’ rivals are one of the teams in their division (honestly, I don’t know who their rivals are, because I don’t care about them anymore than I care about the Rays). Don’t let ESPN and the braindead, meatball, LCD-pandering sports media in this town tell you otherwise.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 23, 2008 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Too bad the Brewers left the American League.

Lots of Sox fans used to travel up to County Stadium and the Brewer fans to Comiskey. Now the Brewers are getting to be almost as big a rival to the Cubs as the Cardinals are. Thank Bud Selig for that one.

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Jun 23, 2008 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Crawdad's stereotypes............

...............notwithstanding, there are far too many fans on both sides of this city’s fence that dwell upon these six games. It’s absurd and ridiculous, but I’m willing to say a significant number of so-called fans place far too much value in the subway series.

I recall when Dusty Baker first got the job with the Cubs, and when he was introduced at the Cubs Convention, a lady fan told him “just be sure to beat the Sox”. Baker thought that was pretty stupid, and that might have been the smartest thing he ever said.

"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns

by tville on Jun 23, 2008 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

My experiences............

.............are my experiences. Yours are yours. It’s not my fault my results don’t match yours.

I can clearly say I’ve never met a Cubs fan that cares about the attendance. There are those who find it wonderful that fans show up to support the team (myself included), but I’ve not come across someone who holds this as a preoccupation and places it ahead of winning ballgames.

"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns

by tville on Jun 23, 2008 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

"This description of Sox fans is said by Cubbie fans frequently but I do not remember ever meeting a Sox fan as you describe"

Do you recognize this man:

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jun 24, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

What does this prove?

nada.

Guillen was in Cleveland when he made this stupid gesture. I don’t remember it having anything to do with the Cubbies.

How does this prove that Sox fans “enjoy Cubbies losses more than Sox wins?”

by DrCrawdad on Jun 24, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

those who will not look

do not see.

Once again: your manager, your GM and your players talked a lot of smack about this team and the facilities. This team did nothing in return—except to kick your asses back south of 290.

Next time your babies wanna talk trash, make sure they bring their game. Otherwise, shut up and at least play competently.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jun 25, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Again...

How does this prove that Sox fans "enjoy Cubbies losses more than Sox wins?"

by DrCrawdad on Jun 25, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

And speaking of...
This team did nothing in return—except to kick your asses back south of 290.

The Cubbies have lost, what, 6 straight games in the post-season?

by DrCrawdad on Jun 25, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Conclusion

White Sox are about to implode. Ozzie Guillen is another bad word or two away from being fired. Their pitching is good but is starting to wear down from having to carry too much of the burden. Paul Konerko is in rapid decline phase. Jim Thome has nothing left. Nick Swisher is severely overrated. The minor league system is bare.

GET Rich Harden !!! 10 starts, 4-0, 59 IP, 72 Ks, 2.44 ERA !!!

by MDBNIU on Jun 23, 2008 8:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Stereotypes are stupid...

...and there’s just as likely to be obnoxious fans on both sides of town.

That being said, Crawdad’s profile says he has more than 1,100 comments on BCB…

...and 7 on the Sox blog.

I’m not saying that’s the sum total of your Sox love, Crawdad, but you’ll live longer and enjoy life more if you stop trying to “expose” every dumb comment made by a Cubs fan and concentrate on supporting your own (talented and competitive) team. Take it from someone who used to get worked up about Cardinal Nation, it ain’t worth it.

By the way, this is my first post here and I’ve enjoyed reading this blog for the last couple of months. Go Cubs!

by SplintChesthair on Jun 23, 2008 11:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Great to have ya splint, and for your first comment...

I completely agree with ya.

It’s also kind of odd that he says that he hasn’t met a sox fan who cares more about a Cubs loss than a Sox win and yet he’s posted here during MULTIPLE Cubs losses, and barely posted during Sox wins.

Oh well, I’m always up for an intelligent argument against a rival for a handful of posts, but when people bring their own passion onto the wrong blog for 1100 posts (while also holding a personal feud that we don’t care about with another poster), I wait for the day he realized he clicked the wrong league on SBnation. Maybe he’s just thought the White Sox blog really cared about the Cubs and he found his way here.

Conversation at a Cubs Game
Me "I think it's cool that a lot of Cubs have names that are abbreviations. A-Ram, D-Ro, D-Lee.... how about R-Ther (R-Tear).
Cousin "....that just sounds graphic."

by Beaushek on Jun 24, 2008 2:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why fret so much over a "troll?"
It’s also kind of odd that he says that he hasn’t met a sox fan who cares more about a Cubs loss than a Sox win and yet he’s posted here during MULTIPLE Cubs losses, and barely posted during Sox wins.

I’ve been attacked here for only posting following or during Cubbie losses. It’s not true.
But I don’t follow your argument.

You can be sure that if I had not posted following the CUBBIES SWEEP OF THE SOX, I would have been attacked. The Cubbies won, the Sox lost. I’ve posted my comments and taken the lumps.

As I’ve said over and over, I’ll post here as long as I wish and Al allows. If Al wants me to depart, all he has to do as say it. He doesn’t have to ban me. Until then, I don’t ask for your permission. If you don’t like my comments, why not simply ignore them?

by DrCrawdad on Jun 24, 2008 6:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez

by Emelie on Jun 24, 2008 4:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Inspector...
That being said, Crawdad’s profile says he has more than 1,100 comments on BCB…

I regularly post on at 3 Sox discussion boards, SB Nation not being one of them.

by DrCrawdad on Jun 24, 2008 6:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

I figured that was the case, but since we were all having some fun with stereotypes in this thread I thought it would be funny to point out.

All told, I’m not sure what you’re looking for, Crawdad. You’re likely not going to get a personal apology signed by all of Cubdom for the stupid behavior of a handful of us. If that were the case, you would have sent Tom Gamboa a nice fruit basket by now. I’d like the dope segment of the fanbase to keep quiet as much as I’d like the dopes on your side of town to, but it won’t happen.

Last time I checked, there wasn’t a stat column for “Positive Remarks From Jay Mariotti (PRFJM).”

by SplintChesthair on Jun 24, 2008 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

If there were such a stat column as PRFJM,

I fear it would be empty!

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 24, 2008 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's the most irresponsible, worthless piece of drivel

I’ve read in years. It makes asshats of fans from both sides, compares the rundown underbelly of Wrigley to Fallujah, a completely inept and inappropriate analogy, and then there’s this inexplicably stupid “I don’t-have-a-wrap-so-I’ll-make-one-up” moment:

He is of the age that his grandfather might have served in World War II. Let’s say he did. Grandpa fought at Iwo Jima so that Jerkface can smell like a back alley and try to start fights.

What tripe.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 24, 2008 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I saw this, too.

Absolutely worthess, as is the editor who gave this reporter this assignment.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jun 24, 2008 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Tripe" & "Absolutely worthless"

Those words should also have been used here to describe Mariotti’s and Couch’s recent smears of the Sox and Sox fans instead they were celebrated.

by DrCrawdad on Jun 24, 2008 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dude, you're just like my little sister when we were growing up

I’d be happy, minding my own business, watching TV or reading a book or something. Then she’d come into the room and start with me. She’d purposefully find something to be annoyed about (e.g. I’m channel surfing too quick), then she’d start complaining. I’d respond. She’d complain more and louder. I’d get angry. Then she’d hit me, and run to my mom and/or dad complaining that I’m picking on her.

You come to the blog regularly, you find something to be annoyed about, then you bitch and moan, moan and bitch and goad people into responding to you. You start fights, then cry about how mean Cubs fans are to you poor little Sox fans. You throw out all sorts of Cubs fans stereotypes, then become indignant when someone comes close to using a Sox fan stereogype. You find a handfull of your posts when you actually compliment the Cubs to proudly show your credentials that you’re an “honest and even-handed fan,” then proceed to type some of the silliest attacks on the Cubs I’ve read.

When somebody corners you with facts, you shift the topic and use ad hominum attacks against others (fellow BCB bloggers, fans at games that none of us have ever met, even players). When someone actually gives the White Sox props, you complain that we should be complimenting them MORE, or you say something like, “well, that’s a far cry from what Cubs fan Jow Blow said to me the other day…”

You’re ridiculous. There’s not arguing with you…not because your arguments have merit (and some of them do), but because you’re simply hell-bent on causing trouble on this blog. I’m sure in real life, you’re a nice man with a good family and that you’ve earned the respect of co-workers and neighbors alike. But, when you come onto this blog, you’re an amazingly irrational soldier looking for a fight.

Please drop the macho Sox-fan stuff…or at drop it when you go to other team’s blogs.

by Rev Gunia on Jun 24, 2008 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fair and balanced?
When somebody corners you with facts, you shift the topic and use ad hominum attacks against others …

Since when are ad hominum attacks here discouraged? Rather than being my M.O., it’s usual device used in response to my baseball related posts.

by DrCrawdad on Jun 24, 2008 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Example?

Look no further than this thread.

by DrCrawdad on Jun 24, 2008 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not a big fan...

... of Mariotti but he’s been right on in calling out the Sox organization for being classless. You can say that the comments coming from Williams, Guillen and his players are in good fun, only if the other side plays along. If not then they only look like fools.

by troutfishin on Jun 24, 2008 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

I dunno.

I mean these guys are all competitive, and especially with Ozzie and Kenny being ex-players, sometimes that just boils over and stuff gets said. I think the best thing to to do is recognize it as regular old jock-talk and ignore it as such.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 24, 2008 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree....

....though I think much of what was said is born out of an inferiority complex. Jealousy can be an ugly thing.

by troutfishin on Jun 24, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe.

I think Ozzie and Kenny are stupid like foxes. They’ve done this multiple times: they say something outrageous, or get in a “fight,” or bring up the Cubs, and it takes the focus from their players, puts it on them, and many times, the players have responded favorably. I’m of a mind that this was just such an occasion.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 24, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Frankly...

... I think we should stop talking about this. That’s what they WANT us to do - we as Cub fans - NOTICE all the trash they’re talking.

Ignoring them is the best revenge. They HATE that.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jun 24, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is true.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 24, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

it's hopeless

but +1

It’s like asking them to ignore the blue guy

We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez

by Emelie on Jun 24, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're going to need to show where I celebrated

anything Mariotti and Couch have said. Here’s a hint: you won’t find it, because I didn’t do it. You know nothing about me, so stop replying to my posts with sweeping generalizations about the denizens of this blog. I don’t read Couch or Mariotti, as I do, in point of fact, believe their columns to be tripe, as well. Mariotti is a juvenile pansy, who cares little for the games he writes about and more for any opening he gets to skewer the teams in town. Couch is just, well, weird and his incessant ranting about Premium Ticket Services a fews years back was just nauseatingly transparent. Bruce Miles is pretty much the only guy in town that I read.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 24, 2008 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Incessant Ranting?

His was a voice crying out in the wilderness. I will be going to my first game at Wrigley this year since they started the unseemly business practice of purchasing tickets from themselves and reselling them at four to eight times the face value and now they’re in bed with stub-hub? Couch was doing a service for calling Tribco out. Now that Zell owns the Cubs he should immediately end the shell game that is Wrigley Field Premium Tickets. BTW, doesn’t it bother you to not be able to get a 100 level seat at face value?

by troutfishin on Jun 24, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

It got tired and it

was just part of the Sun Times undying efforts to use the Cubs business practices to indict their competitors. Plus, it’s not as if they weren’t already extorting everyone in the ballpark with 3 dollar hot dogs, 4 dollar sodas, and 6 dollar beers. And I can’t afford 100 level seats at face anyway and I prefer UD box. The Cubs just got a piece of the action, because it’s not as if these tickets would ever have been available to single game ticket buyers; brokers would have snapped them up, and they’d be sold at a huge markup anyway. I don’t like the practice of ticket brokerage on the whole, but for Couch to continually call out the Cub without, one, acknowledging the egregious conflict of interest, and two, without indicting the ticket brokerage “business” wholesale is simply unprofessional and disingenuous.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 24, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

who said you cant get a 100 level seat for face value?

I agree with what you have said but, get up out of bed get down to the box office and get a ticket.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jun 24, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's true.

Day of game, there are a surprising number of good seats available at the box office at face value.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 24, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

When it isnt summer and school isnt out

It is very easy to get a ticket. Im just fortunate enough to walk there at about 745 get my ticket then hop the train to work. At 745 when schools still in session for kids there never has been more than 4 or 5 people in the line that early.

Now, summer is crazy, people are out there at 715 and theres already a line of about 10-15 people depending on the opponent

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jun 24, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, if there's a big line at the DOG window,

I’ll usually wait until the bottom of the 1st, and get a decent ticket at face, or a bit over, if it’s a premium game, from one of the guys behind Sports Corner or over by the firehouse, depending on where I land to wait it out.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 24, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

There were about 30 people in line...

... when I checked the CubWorld webcam at 4 am on Saturday.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jun 24, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right, summer + the white sox.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jun 24, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've done it twice for SRO tix

Cubs/Red Sox and Cubs/White Sox. Got in both times by the skin of my teeth. Gotta love the hoodlums who get in line, by their 2, get back in line again and again until someone notices and they go off on you. Almost classy as the $50 markup they impose once they get them.

OT: How much SRO these days? Still $12. I’m guessing they’re more now.

"You just don't know understand how frustrating this is"- Kevin Borseth

by TkGoUWGB on Jun 24, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I ignored them.

I’ve been a cubs fan for ten years (which makes me a kid here, I know). I’ve been a serious fan for five. Before this year, I never paid attention to the Crosstown series—there was always something happening that weekend. Several times, it was my (first) wedding anniversary weekend.

But then your GM, manager and players had to start talking trash - and they couldn’t back it up. THAT, my friend, is unforgivable. And the Cubs weighed in the best way they could have - without getting into a verbal fight, and kicking your team’s collective butts back south of Randolph.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jun 24, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying....

...you can’t get a single decent seat at face value, what you can’t get are three or four consecutive decent seats unless you sit in the 500 level(which let’s face it is a crap shoot) or in the non-drink family section(which is also a crap shoot, foul pole, etc.). I’ve got a wife and 2 kids to think about every time I’m looking to entertain myself. The other points you bring up, 3$ hot dogs, $5 beer are huge profit centers for the organization as well as with any team. What I find offensive is that they looked at other areas to generate revenue and decided to develope a huge conflict of interest by setting up their own company to sell tickets way above the price listed on a ticket. I call someone like Eric Soderholm an Entrepreneur, I call Wrigley Field Premium Tickets a Crooked Enterprise. If notice how many tickets they are setting aside to themselves you’ll see they’re making money by artificially creating demand. That’s not to say that without WFPT their wouldn’t be demand but at least it would create a more level playing field.

by troutfishin on Jun 24, 2008 10:45 AM CDT reply actions  

There are plenty of idiots on both sides of town

as far as im concerned, Dr. Crawdad isn’t one of em. Quite frankly, there are plenty of people who post in the normal game threads on a daily basis that are more inflammatory than Dr. Crawdad ever has been. He wanders over around the Cubs-Sox series and generally is nowhere to be seen for the rest of the season.

This diary is a good example of why I don’t look forward to this time of the year. Too much b.s back and forth between both sides of town.

---AC 00 00 00 - Believe

by mjk83 on Jun 24, 2008 10:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Sox Mgmt Totally Unprofessional

What bothers me about the Sox really has nothing to do with the fans, but it has everything to do with the constant pattern of unprofessionalism that gets displayed over there. It’s the “tone from the top” (perhpas not as high as Riensdorf) and it’s evidenced in so many ways:

1) The “Happy Anniversay” comments from Kenny Williams – Why would a GM even get involved in a comment like that? Doesn’t he have far bigger issues to worry about? Why would he intentionally poison a relationship that he may need to work with in the future?

2) The “Blow up Doll” incident – Behavior like that has no place in a professional locker room. If they wanted to do that behind closed doors, that’s up to them, but many people have to use that same locker room to conduct their business. A locker room is not the property of the players. It’s the property of a Major League franchise. If the players wanted to own and maintain their own private clubhouse, then so be it. They can set their own rules.

3) The televison broadcast team. Hawk and DJ are not professional journalists. They are ex jocks who, in my opinion, try to give the impression to the viewer that they are in the dugout with the team. That’s fine if that’s the way they want to portray the broadcast, but it’s not a journalistically professional way to do a broadcast. The constant complaining that they do about umpires is boring and juvenile.

Of course, if we were to think about it, there would be so many more examples of unprofessional behavior from that organization. As a Chicagoan, it’s something that’s a source of shame. It’s kind of like “Otis the Drunk” except without any of the funny parts.

Formerly NO100

by jerry morales rules on Jun 24, 2008 11:32 AM CDT reply actions  

People overreact to Ozzie Guillen

Personally, I think Guillen is crazy like a fox. He knows exactly what he is doing. He might be an inflammtory douche, but I’m convinced every word out of his mouth is thought of in advance and has an intended purpose.

GET Rich Harden !!! 10 starts, 4-0, 59 IP, 72 Ks, 2.44 ERA !!!

by MDBNIU on Jun 24, 2008 11:38 AM CDT reply actions  

do you still think he is going to get fired soon?

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jun 24, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hawk Harrelson is awful

I want to puke everytime he interjects the phrase “our guys” or “our ballclub” into the dialogue. Or calls every ballplayer on the Sox by their nickname. Your the frickin play-by-play man for crying out loud.

GET Rich Harden !!! 10 starts, 4-0, 59 IP, 72 Ks, 2.44 ERA !!!

by MDBNIU on Jun 24, 2008 11:40 AM CDT reply actions  

he is putrid

I listen in occasionally because I hate him so much and need to hear him occasionally to keep the hate

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jun 24, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

if he were a national broadcaster

id be more bothered by that. Since he is doing local broadcasts for a local audience that doesn’t bother me all that much. His TERRIBLE catch phrases on the other hand are quite terrible.

---AC 00 00 00 - Believe

by mjk83 on Jun 24, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

it’s always a pretty sad revelation to have come to grips with during interleague play, when I get settled in for a WGN broadcast expecting Bob and Len and am confronted with something else entirely. Honestly, I can live with a little broadcast favortism from the crew that covers a team on a day to day basis, it’s just that Hawk is so God awful. He gone….indeed. I sick.

by OmahaCub on Jun 24, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ozzie Guillen = Hugo Chavez

A loudmouth laughingstock of a Venezuelan who will be gone in a couple years.

by CaliCub on Jun 24, 2008 1:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Being a Cub fan

I really don’t follow anything White Sox related now or have in the past. I can’t honestly tell you if Ozzie was an opinionated loudmouth as a player. He obviously times his rants when his team is playing poorly and takes the heat off of them and puts it on himself. He knows it, the sportswriters know it, EVERYONE knows it. Eventually, this tactic will wear thin and have no impact, kind of crying wolf one too many times. At that time, maybe White Sux management will decide whether they still want him around to manage. So far, he can get away with it, but I see a day, not to far away, when the curtain falls on his act and he’s gone, to turn a Hawkism.

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on Jun 24, 2008 1:38 PM CDT reply actions  

More trash talk from Guillen...

... and he proves that he and Sox fans would rather see the Cubbies lose than the Sox win.

...I’d rather lose against the Cubs than the Minnesota Twins,” said Guillen, sitting in the visitor’s dugout prior to Tuesday night’s Interleague opener at Dodger Stadium. “I know it’s about pride, and I want Chicago people to know there’s not a bigger fan than Ozzie Guillen with the Chicago White Sox.

“There’s nobody who hurts more on this club than me. Besides, I’m the manager and love this franchise. The people have to understand, they kicked our butts and did a lot of things better than we did. They did a lot of things well, and that’s why they swept us.”

This quote was on WhiteSox.com but not on ChicagoSports.com, hum…

by DrCrawdad on Jun 25, 2008 6:30 PM CDT reply actions  

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