Tuesday Morning Stuff That Doesn't Fit Anywhere Else
by Al on Jun 24, 2008 8:16 AM CDT
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Miscellaneous thoughts and facts while we await tonight's game:
- In both a post buried in the comments yesterday, and in email, I was told that the White Sox individual tossing a ball around while it was raining Sunday before the game, and making obscene gestures to the bleacherites, wasn't Ozzie Guillen; it was relief pitcher Octavio Dotel. Apologies to Ozzie -- and Octavio... geez, think a little, will ya?
- "Sources say" that Jim Hendry has the green light to spend "what ever it takes" to get starting pitching after the All-Star break. This comes all the way from Sam Zell. Will it be C. C. Sabathia? Maybe, but it could be anyone. In any case, here's more proof that the Cubs are going all-out to win this year.
- Since I -- and most of you -- never hesitate to criticize Joe Morgan (justifiably so), credit to Morgan for leading the charge to get Ron Santo into the Hall of Fame:
"I played against him, and when you look at third basemen, he was the best third baseman of his era," said Morgan, the Hall of Fame second baseman and ESPN broadcaster. "I thought that's the way you judged it. Every year I voted for Maury Wills and Ron Santo. Those are my first two guys. To me, they were both a no-brainer."
Well, Maury Wills isn't really a Hall of Famer, but again, if Morgan can help get Santo over the top next winter and into the Hall, good for him. - Lou Piniella has learned some stuff, not the least of which is that Micah Hoffpauir isn't an outfielder:
Micah Hoffpauir's left-handed bat is a valuable asset with Daryle Ward out, but, like Ward, the rookie is not good enough defensively to play left or right field on a regular basis. Hoffpauir looked tentative on a few balls that landed in front of him on the artificial turf at Tropicana Field, and he didn't start over the weekend against the Sox.
I could have told Lou that after watching him play "tentative" in the outfield during spring training. The article goes on to say that Hoffpauir could be trade bait. He doesn't really have much value, so if Jim Hendry can deal him, more power to Hendry. - Finally, a site note. I have received a few emails saying that the game threads have occasionally gotten a little contentious and personal. I just want to remind everyone of the paragraph you all read -- and agreed to -- when you signed up for your BCB account:
When posting at this blog, please follow this one simple rule: Before hitting "post" to post your remarks, ask yourself: "Would I be embarrassed to say this in front of strangers who were physically present in the room with me and could respond to my face?" If the answer is "yes," then don't post. BCB encourages and welcomes all opinions, no matter how strong; however, personal attacks, vulgarity, and other uncivilized forms of expression are not welcome. Thanks.
I don't think that kind of civility is too much to ask. Thanks again. Let's win tonight.
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First!
Sorry, never got to do that before. Go Cubs!
by jdb-44 on Jun 24, 2008 8:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
2nd is the new first
times are changing ma’aan! I hope this is the year for Santo and the Cubs.
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on Jun 24, 2008 8:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"other uncivilized forms of expression"
That must mean political expression! :)
by jcg996 on Jun 24, 2008 8:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is it possible...
...knowing Joe Morgan, that he’s thinking of someone else when he talks about Santo?
by SplintChesthair on Jun 24, 2008 8:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Santa?
This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
by HectorVillanueva on Jun 24, 2008 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Game Threads
While I haven’t been in them much this year, in the past they typically do get a little rowdy. The main reason I stay out of the game threads now is actually because they load extremely slow and it takes forever to scroll to the bottom of the page once there is about 150 comments or so.
by adam316 on Jun 24, 2008 8:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Game Threads
When I’m at work, I have no issues. On my laptop at home, extremely slow. When it’s that slow I go to my profile and shut off the live update feature. Then I just refresh as I used to do on the old site. I do find I’ve gotten used to the live update though. It’s a lovely feature when not in game threads.
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on Jun 24, 2008 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maury Wills ?!!!!!
This Maury Wills? Is he serious?
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on Jun 24, 2008 8:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Apparently so.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 24, 2008 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maury wills and his beautiful career .660 ops
give him a little credit did steal 100 bases one season aside of that I have no clue what Joe Morgan is thinking.
by cubs on Jun 24, 2008 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
He held the SB record for 13 years. That’s about his only distinction. (He was a bad manager, too.)
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 24, 2008 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Having lived through
his managerial career I can only say that calling him a bad manager is an understatement. Very diplomatic of you, Al.
"In football the object is for the quarterback, also known as the
field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the
defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the
blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and
long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this
aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in
the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
"In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! - I hope I'll
be safe at home!"
by bubbamike the one and only on Jun 24, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, longest sig line ever.
Nice gesture, though. R.I.P George Carlin.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 24, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I thought.
But I, and probably everyone else, read it.
Didn’t know it was Carlin, though. Nice gesture.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well............
..........he did sire Bump Wills!!
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns
by tville on Jun 24, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ooops...
didn’t see your post…lol..
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 24, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did father Bump..
for what that’s worth..
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 24, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are we talking about your dad?
Because now I am all kinds of confused
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 24, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check here............
http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/willsbu01.shtml
...........for more background.
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns
by tville on Jun 24, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
i was trying to be funny. obviously i failed… again.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 24, 2008 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, at least you've learned something.
And learning is half the battle.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL...
I get it….Well played cubbiegirl..:) Should I change my name to Bump Jr.?
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 24, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well at least someone laughed
:-)
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 24, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good, But Not HoF
If Wills had won 3 more Gold Gloves, had about 400 more hits, or walked 400 more times than he did, you could make a case for him. If he had stolen about 200 more bases, you could make a case for him. He simply does not have the numbers for the HoF.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Jun 24, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not even...
If we added in the stats of Bump and the other 4 Wills’ to ever play MLB to Maury’s would he be HOF worthy.
by BartlettBob on Jun 24, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This and That
First, who are these sources that indicate Hendry has the big green light? Al, are these sources, the same that said the Cubs wouldn’t get a certain 2B’er from a certain team that just happens to be in ChiTown today?
Second, Joe (I think I’m perfect) Morgan is leading the way for Ronnie? Who’d-a-thunk-it? I saw that article this morning and could not believe me eyes. I do have to wonder how paring down the vote from “up to 10 out of 20-25” to “up to 4 out of 10” really improves Ronnie’s chances of getting into the exclusive-this-is-our-tree-house-and-you’re-not-invited-club. I’m skeptical and won’t believe it until Ronnie gets the call. It’s just the HoF’s way of screwing something up, you know like the Negro league heros. Yeah, vote all these guys in – decades late – then “forget” Buck O’Neil…
Third, what’s with the game threads and larger posts in general? It’s like this new site is waaaaaayyyyy slower than the old one when the number of posts gets into the hundreds.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Jun 24, 2008 8:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nope, not the same sources.
But the sources that told be about TTSNBN not happening turned out to be correct.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 24, 2008 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude that second paragraph about green-lighting Hendry...
...sent a few shivers down my spine, not gonna lie. Al’s been talking about the whole year, but clearly this year is different. From a 25 year old, I feel like this is how our team SHOULD feel damn near every year – like the championship is ours for the taking. But apparently management hasn’t felt the same throughout the years. Either way, I’m glad that those in charge recognize that we have something special here.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Jun 24, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If true
I would stop thinking Zell to be the root of all evil, and just consider him the root of most evil
by cocknfire on Jun 24, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's the cash cap?
What is the maximum amount of cash that can be dealt between teams in a trade without a waiver from the Commish (a commish who I dare say would love the Brewers to get CC)? That’s the biggest chip the Cubs have. Honestly, what in our farm system could possibly appeal to the Tribe for CC?
Dome-san!!
by Goat Whisperer on Jun 24, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know..
if the Indians were prepared to allow time for a contract extension on a Sabathia trade, I’d say not much. However, if they’re going to stand firm on not allowing it - making C.C. a rental - then I would think a number of scenarios could come into play. Off the top of my head, I’d imagine that Jose Ceda and Jose Ascanio would be a nice starting point for conversation.
by Damen Jackson on Jun 24, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're exactly right on the first point
if there is no negotiation window, the Cubs have a lot better chance of getting C.C. I don’t think Ceda and Ascanio are enough to start the coversation. I think Gallagher starts the conversation.
by DGU on Jun 24, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder though
Even the rental price has high—more than the compensation picks they’d receive just for holding on to him until the end of the year.
Dome-san!!
by Goat Whisperer on Jun 24, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zell knows
a winner brings a higher price than a loser. He didn’t make all that money being a fool.
"In football the object is for the quarterback, also known as the
field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the
defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the
blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and
long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this
aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in
the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
"In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! - I hope I'll
be safe at home!"
by bubbamike the one and only on Jun 24, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zell probably knows the old addage of
you have to spend money to make money. It would seem to be pretty appropriate here.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jun 24, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Random question...
...regarding Hoffpauir specifically, but all players generally:
How hard is it to “practice” and thus “improve” your fielding? I mean, we regularly see guys take batting practice, hit off a tee, do video study of opposing pitchers and their own swing….but what does a guy do to improve his fielding from a practical standpoint?
I mean, you could hit him flyballs, but that only works if you’re not hitting them TO him, but rather someplace away from him so he has to play it like real game conditions, right? Is it as easy as just having Hoffpauir shag balls in the outfield during batting practice, pretending each ball hit is under “real” game conditions? That way he tries to get a jump on the ball, dive or play if off a hop, and get it into the proper cutoff man?
Just something I was wondering…it just seems easier for infielders to practice groundball fielding and turning double plays that it does for outfielders to get “real” practice.
by Chadnudj on Jun 24, 2008 8:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Being an athlete
You either are or you aren’t. He’s obviously athletic but he doesn’t have the same level of natural talent and skill that would allow him to improve dramatically such as a Rick Ankiel. How does that guy go from being a SP to a starting CF with good speed, pop and a cannon of an arm to throw out baserunners? He’s a good athlete.
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on Jun 24, 2008 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus...
... he’s 28 years old, and very unlikely to develop this sort of skillset at that age, with no experience, and to thrust him into a starting OF slot on a pennant contender is really unfair, both to him and to the team.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 24, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody can shag fly balls.
You can do it all day long. Hit right to you, to your left, to your right, from sun up to sun down. But there’s little things you pick up that, as Al said, a 28 year old is probably too old to learn now. Things like reading the ball off the bat so you can get a jump, knowing your pitcher’s arsenal and what pitch he’s likely to throw in different counts to different types of hitters and where those hitters are likely to place the ball. Fundamentals and raw talent are key to this game.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Reading the ball off the bat ASAP is soooooooooooooo important. Knowing your pitcher, also important. I still do that do this day – at my age – in 16” softball in CF, even at 1B.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Jun 24, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a certain level of physical talent that no amount of learning will replace.
Hoffpauir can’t learn how to be a more athletic runner or have a stronger arm.
by cwyers on Jun 24, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best outfielders
are instinctive. You can work on improving your reads of fly balls, but if you don’t have the instincts you won’t be a good outfielder.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 24, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Word.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 24, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outfielders +1
Anyone can catch a ball hit at you, but there seems to be so much movement on the balls lately its the gappers and down the line that would eat him up.
MH swings a good bat and would be an asset to most teams off the bench or in the AL as a DH.
I hear MH is a big R&R fan, would love to play in Cleveland. ( ???)
I bleed double blue Cubbies & NY Rangers
by parrotinct on Jun 24, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My wife could practice driving all day long and.....
well I think you know the rest
by gocubsgo22 on Jun 24, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 24, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for encouraging some civility Al
There were a few FanPosts yesterday as well that turned into personal bashing sessions. Let’s talk baseball and just ignore comments that we don’t like eh? No need to post a put down everytime someome you don’t like adds a comment. Ok, i’m done. Go Cubs.
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Jun 24, 2008 8:58 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Smugness Is Ugly
Nothing ruins a baseball forum or blog more than condescension and holier-than-thou attitudes. This one is unique in that it’s mature, good-natured, and populated by people that don’t take themselves too seriously. Please let’s keep it that way! For my part I am steering clear of game threads where I’m apt to turn into said douchenozzle.
by CaliCub on Jun 24, 2008 9:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I’ve taken a game-thread break myself, though I do sometimes read them the next day, which has lead me to notice an interesting occurrence: a couple of the nastier posters, who are usually only around during losses and/or meltdowns, seem to come back in the thread a couple hours after the game, once most everyone’s gone, and post multiple snarky replies. Classy.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 24, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, they have been a tad mean lately...
...but honestly, what’s to complain about when we are 20 games up? Not much, at least in my eyes.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Jun 24, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
This season has been great thus far, for sure.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 24, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blue Mike will find something
He always does
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 24, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes but...
lately Blue Mike will post a comment that isn’t controversial… and people will still feel the need to bash his posts, just cause they don’t like him. that makes for sucky threads IMHO
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Jun 24, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said Ben
I haven’t said anything but to be honest it’s been gettting mighty old
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
by carolinacub on Jun 24, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Maybe the dictionary needs to be updated with the word “ignore.”
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since this is the "Stuff That Doesn't Fit Anywhere Else" Post
via Deadspin, The most succinct take on Mariotti I’ve ever seen:
The second-worst thing a lifelong newspaper sportswriter can do is become the person who grows to hate sports because they’ve covered it for so long. The worst is realize that and try to cash in on it. Jay Mariotti, ladies and gentlehumans.
Game. Set. Match. Winner.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 24, 2008 9:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That Was SPOT ON
Great stuff Gary. I’ve thought the same of Jim Rome – does he really like the field he’s covering or just using it for self-aggrandization?
by CaliCub on Jun 24, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rome's different case, IMO.
He loves sports because it’s serves as a vehicle for his enormous ego. He’s guy that realizes his luck and his situation and uses both very well. I think he likes sports, but hates athletes.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 24, 2008 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rome is all about Rome
Just like a ‘shock-jock’ he says whatever he needs to say to get attention, which equals cash. Show biz, folks. Please don’t believe ANY talk show host, be it sports or political actually believes everything he or she says. Conflict = ratings (or circulation, in the newspaper biz) = money.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 24, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since this is about a little bit of everything...
Reed Johnson is probably going to the DL retroactive to June 17 with “back stiffness.” He was scheduled to appear (as he does every week) on the Mike North Morning Show on 670 AM in Chicago, however did not call him. RJ is the likely candidate to be sent to the DL in order to bring up Sean Marshall to fill in for Zambrano while he is on the DL. Reed was probably not very happy about Hendry moving him to the DL, however this fulfills a few needs…
-Too many outfielders… needed to get rid of one
-Eric Patterson has been playing well, and can play center, or left and fill in for Soriano if needed late in a game
-Much needed left handed started finally on the team who has looked good at AAA
Hopefully this is all temporary, Marshall produces, Reed isn’t hurt that bad, and we keep this streak alive!
by lswaidz on Jun 24, 2008 9:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's probably a good idea...
... considering RJ had back surgery a year ago. Why risk further injury if the team is winning and there’s a suitable temporary replacement?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 24, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
has anyone heard about the roster moves for sure?
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 24, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If RJ goes DL
does the platoon in CF become
v.RHP
LF Patterson
CF Edmonds
RF Dome
v. LHP
LF Murton
CF Dome
RF DeRo
Or will Edmonds get a shot to hit v. LHP?
by DGU on Jun 24, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I quite
game threads over a year ago. It’s just not worth weathering the knee-jerk reactions and idiotic behavior of so many. I don’t care about the language or anything particular, I just think those ledgejumpers and haters ruin my enjoyment of just following the game’s progress. I usually get off BCB and just follow the game via MLB or Yahoo while emailing with a friend or two that are doing the same thing.
"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young
by Kegler on Jun 24, 2008 9:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
(This reply belongs above) Re: Maury Wills
I really do believe that merit for HOF candidacy should go beyond the stat sheet, so if Joe Morgan thinks Wills was a special player, more power to him. Take Andre Dawson for example. I constantly find myself trying to defend his candidacy based on his cannon arm alone, but people just want to look at his bbref page and disregard anything beyond the numbers.
by Jerry Mumphrey on Jun 24, 2008 9:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dawson's career numbers...
... in the context of his era, were far better than Wills’ in the context of his.
You do have to look at Wills’ numbers in the context of the 1960’s, a very low-offense era, and that he played many years with Dodger Stadium, an extreme pitcher’s park in those days, as his home park.
The .720 OPS he put up in 1962 doesn’t look very good to us, but it was at least league-average then.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 24, 2008 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is nice to see Morgan making the context point.
That’s going to become increasingly important aspect of HOF voting, given the inflated numbers of the so-called “steroid era” and the slight offensive drop-off we’ve begun to see coming out of it.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 24, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also the SB...
he played in an era when the SB wasn’t as prominent as it was in the ‘70s and ‘80s, but he led the league in SB every year from ‘60-’65, and was top 4 in SB from ‘66‘69. He has an MVP award as well.
He probably would be considered more of the “fame” argument for his baserunning, and he probably is overrated based on the fact that OBP was largely ignored back then in favor of AVG, and as Al said he played in a park and in an era that deflated his stats.
by SouthernCub on Jun 24, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It also helps to understand
that shortstop was not considered an offensive position then but a defensive one. The two top shortstops of that generation were Aparicio and Wills, neither one of whom were real offensive threats except on the basepaths. Also they transformed the game and made speed a factor, a movement away from the three run homerun theory of baseball.
"In football the object is for the quarterback, also known as the
field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the
defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the
blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and
long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this
aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in
the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
"In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! - I hope I'll
be safe at home!"
by bubbamike the one and only on Jun 24, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gold Gloves
Maury Wills did win 2 Gold Gloves, but Aparicio won 9. Those 9 Gold Gloves along with Aparicio’s steals have gotten him into the HoF. Had Wills won 5 Gold Gloves to go along with Maury’s steals, he would have more HoF credibility. I believe Dawson’s 8 Gold Gloves should be taken into consideration for his HoF bid. IMO, that should make up for the low OBP of the Hawk. However, more than 25% of the HoF voters evidently disagree with me.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Jun 24, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm surprised by two things--Morgan and Micha
My understanding had always been that Morgan was a leader in NOT voting for Ron Santo and maybe even in increasing sentiment agaisnt him…if what’s posted here is true, then I can forgive a multitude of Joe’s sins.
I disagree with the analysis that Hoffpauir has very little trade value. I suppose it’s a relative term since he’s not really a power hitter and really is either a DH or 1B…..but I see a REAL good team in Anaheim featuring a starting 1B with a very similar skill set. There should be a slot for Micah in the AL, the man can hit, he’s lefty and he’s a pretty fair glove at first.
I'm a good speller, but my typing creates a SERIOUS vacuum. (especially while I'm at work sticking it to the man)
by cubfever7 on Jun 24, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morgan
I don’t know how much honesty there was there, but Morgan made some complimentary comments and talked openly about the Hall of Fame credentials of Santo in This Old Cub. That movie was four years ago, so Morgan has been promoting Ronny for at least that long.
This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
by HectorVillanueva on Jun 24, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know Hoff seems a lot like Kotchman at first glance,
but, one, Kotchman is 25, and broke in at 23; Hoff is 28 and broke in at 28. Also, check out their minor league numbers:
Kotchman, minors, career (5 seasons): .325/.401/.493/.894
Hoff, minors, career (6 seasons): .281/.338/.453/.791
Kotchman projects to be a better hitter than Hoff, and he’s also three years younger, which is a factor that just cannot be ignored.
That said, I do think Hoff has some value to an AL team, maybe Seattle, who are done with Richie Sexson, or Cleveland, who will need some one to alternate 1B/DH duties with Garko while Hafner is out.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 24, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's really no point...
... for Seattle to trade for Hoffpauir. They’re done this year and though I haven’t looked, I’d guess they have to have a 1B/DH in their own system who’s at least as good, if not better.
Cleveland, again—what do they gain?
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by Al on Jun 24, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you're right about Seattle,
but Cleveland gains a stopgap until Hafner gets back, if he gets back. He jsut a setback in his rehab, according to Yahoo! Sports, so they may be looking for a guy like Hoffpauir. I’m not saying Hoff is going to draw interest on his own, but as part of a package of players, there would be some value there for an AL team, given the DH possibility. Seattle is desperate to add power, even doubles-only power, because they’re not getting squat from Sexson or Vidro, and Cleveland will need someone to spell Garko. They’ve been using Blake and Martinez, but those guys need a rest once in a while, too, as they have their own full time positions.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 24, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it'd have to be as part of a package.
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by Al on Jun 24, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think Cleveland would consider C.C. for Hoff and Marshall or Gallagher
I’d hate to part with Gallagher or even Marshall, but if one of them, Hoff and a prospect or two would get us C.C., it might be worth it. (I would assume they’d want an arm to replace C.C. ....)
by cocknfire on Jun 24, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're pretty stocked on pitching
They need offense.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 24, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about Theriot!
KIDDING!
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 24, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How 'bout Pie?
[/sarcasm, lest anyone doubt]
by cocknfire on Jun 24, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, "he sucks".
Someone should make a fanpost about this….j/k, j/k…
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by Bump Bailey on Jun 24, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Consider? Sure. Do? No.
You’re going to have to either outbid the other contenders’ farm systems or come up with something better than what Cleveland thinks they can get with the two high draft picks they would get if CC leaves as free agent.
And IMO, I think Cleveland puts a pretty high value on their own scouts and farm system, so I think they’d be perfectly happy to roll the dice, ride CC for the whole season, and get the two draft picks.
You’re going to have to WOW them to get CC at deadline. And for the Cubs, WOW means somebody like Marmol, or Soto. And Hendry won’t do that. and he shouldn’t.
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by ballhawk on Jun 24, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree if it takes Marmol or Soto
I don’t know, I was just thinking out loud, I guess. It’s hard to come up with something that doesn’t give away all our top prospects that would be appealing enough to get him.
I’m not saying we shouldn’t give up some of the farm—I’m all for that. Just not too much of it.
by cocknfire on Jun 24, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CC for Hoff and Gallagher or Marshall
I’m pretty sure that Cleveland would laugh Jim Hendry out of their office with that proposal.
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by Josh77 on Jun 24, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cleveland is not the Pirates...
but we laugh pretty hard now about the Lofton/Raimrez trade(steal).
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by MikeOxbyg on Jun 24, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seattle
Just wanted to add that Seattle is rumored to be taking a look at Jojihma (sp), their former catcher,, at first if they do indeed release or trade Sexson. I believe Jojihma’s(sp) deal was 3 yrs. at $24 million and he’s played his way out from behind the plate this year.
Cleveland is an interesting option for Hoff, especially with C.C.’s name being thrown around
by Tangled Up In Blue on Jun 24, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No to both
Morgan has always supported Santo’s candidacy as he’s supported most big stars of the 1960s (see Wills, Maury). I think he also supports Gil Hodges
And comparing Hoffpauir to Casy Kotchman is wrong. First, Kotchman is three years younger than Hoffpauir. Secondly, I don’t think Hoffpauir would hit .300 over a full season in the majors like Kotchman.
The problem with Hoffpauir’s trade value is that every team has a guy like him. A career slugger who can’t play any position other than first base. The only thing he’s got going for him is that he’s left-handed. Heck, other than him being right-handed, we’ve got a second Micah Hoffpauir in the minors with Jake Fox.
Too many “Hoffpauirs” on the market for Micah to have much, if any, value.
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by Josh77 on Jun 24, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The best current comparison is
Jack Cust. A long term minor league guy that could hit, but not good enough in the field. He finally signed with an AL team in need of a DH and he has some success. Even though Cust tore through AAA pitching, teams couldn’t find a home for him.
by N Oakley on Jun 24, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Hoffpauir isn't Cust
Cust was putting up OBP well over .400 and knocking out 25-30 HR a year in the minors for five seasons in AAA. Hoffpauir’s OBP was in the .350 and he could never stay healthy enough to hit 25-30 HRs in a minor league season.
So Hoffpauir is a poor man’s Jack Cust. And think of all the trouble Jack Cust has had getting and keeping a major league job.
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by Josh77 on Jun 24, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surely someone will take a flier on...
Hoff, since he’s hit pretty well while he’s been up. He’s not an outfielder, but he might be a decent DH or 1B for someone.
My concern is we get rid of him and then DWard continues to struggle as he has most of this season.
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by carmen_fanzone on Jun 24, 2008 9:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
spare parts are sometimes just that but Hoff is a pretty valuable left handed bat to have waiting in the wings. Like you said if Ward would get hurt again and we trade Hoff, who is our next left handed specialist?
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Jun 24, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great point
Best moves “sometime’s” are the ones you don’t make
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by parrotinct on Jun 24, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al are you responsible for banning or is SBNation?
Eamus-Catuli was way over the line the other day and I’m sure got many complaints and yet was on the next day’s thread.
Just wondering what the protocol is. Warning first?
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by carmen_fanzone on Jun 24, 2008 10:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have received no complaints about him.
If anyone has any, I need to hear about it directly. Send specific links.
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by Al on Jun 24, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I flagged him too
I’ll see if I can dig up the links for you
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by Emelie on Jun 24, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if this goes directly to his comments....
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2008/6/19/554776/overflow-thread-2-cubs-vs#6866579
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by carmen_fanzone on Jun 24, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those comments are very nice...
I know i appreciate them! Thanks Eamus!
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 24, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that thread is hilarious and disturbing at the same time
there are a lot of crazy people on here during Cubs losses.
Before Edmonds: 24-16, (.600); With Edmonds: 24-12 (.666)
Edmonds with Cubs: .311 / .358 / .581
by joeschmitt on Jun 24, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know I flagged a few eamus-catuli posts a few days ago...
along with a few others… it was a nasty thread the 3rd game in Tampa Bay…
by lswaidz on Jun 24, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i flagged several ones of his
they were all way over the line.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 24, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FYI...
... I just saw all the flags. He’s been warned. If it happens again he’ll be banned.
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by Al on Jun 24, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't know you needed to be emailed
to know about this, i thought as admin you’d get notified about the flags. I’ll keep that in mind in case it happens again. :-)
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 24, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I was wondering that myself
What’s the point of flagging if no one sees it?
by John Q Freejazz on Jun 24, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I guess I need to take a look at those more often.
I can see them, but I don’t get an automatic notification.
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by Al on Jun 24, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was a bunch of additional garbage at the end of that thread
if you’re bored later, Al, feel free to take a look… make sure there’s no kids in the room though, it gets a little nasty
by lswaidz on Jun 24, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al, two FYI's
First, on the small issue of Joe Morgan, I got a personal email back from the person I BCC’d you yesterday and it basically stated in part; “thanks…duly noted and forward…the outcry by your fellow Cub fans was heard”. —MAY I SUGGEST THAT ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SHOULD CONTINUE TO SPEAK OUT TO THE ESPN COMPLAINT LINK IN THE FAN POSTS. Keep it civil, keep to the facts specific to Morgan’s ongoing characterization’s and story telling. My thinking is that the Cub organization is not too pleased either.
As for the bigger issue: Spending for a WS caliber roster. Cubs are at $120M which is roughly $20M or so below the East Coast level of WS perennial contenders. My thinking is that the Cubs probably have three players or roles they could add, two on the margins and one key player to have possibly the best playoff roster in ‘08.
Margins: Infield utility player, switch-hitting veteran bat off the bench, outstanding glove=Omar Vizquel. He is somewhat expensive but after the All Star break he will cost less than $3M for 2.5 months or less and he will not qualify for the automatic option in ‘09. Acquiring him will not be terribly expensive and he could solve the late inning defensive need at SS. My guess is that this might only cost the Cubs Murton and a Advanced A player of mid-level prospect status.
#2 Late-inning LOOGY Rumor had it that the CO ROX might be willing to part with LHP Fuentes the sling-shot lefty who made the All Star squad last year. He is a free agent and he also could be had for the right price lets say for a Cotts.
On par this might be overspending but to close up any weakness, especially short series or situational late game tactics this could add a lot to the club’s chances.
Key Player: Naturally this is the top of the rotation starter in the same vernacular as what Schilling, Alexander, Cone, Sutcliffe or Johnson did in respective years. To me analogy is falls on Schilling & Johnson’s experiences when Schilling went to AZ or Johnson went to Houston, both near the top of the games and during the mid seasons. Thinking through the scenario’s in both cases those players that were traded were did not become huge stars. That said who is the prime target? CC Sabathia of course but Oakland will be serving up Harden and Toronto dealing AJ Burkett. Cubs will have to overpay dearly for CC in that the Yankees, RedSox, Dodgers, Rays and possibly Cards and Brewers might be seeking to deal. That all said Sabathia is the player that puts the Cubs in the best roster position, the other two or three are good deals, less costly but killer app’s. So what will it take? My best guess looking at the other trades as the price and the inflation of contending teams.
Gallagher (no doubt), E Patterson (ready now), Colvin (Pie is hurt and a project), then two others, Donnie Veal (top level prospect) and Ceda (a final top level prospect) and the last two replace the lost FA draft choices. CC’s salary pro-rated would be like Vizquel’s and ultimately would put the Cubs at around $130M
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by Ivy Walls on Jun 24, 2008 10:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Glad to hear about the Morgan comments.
Maybe we’ll get somewhere.
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by Al on Jun 24, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Persistance pays off.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was frustrating to read in yesterdays recap thread,
some unwillingness by others to even try. We HAVE to speak up.
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on Jun 24, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gallagher, EPat, Colvin, Veal, and Ceda seems an awful lot
....for a 3 month pitcher, especially when Cleveland says they won’t allow any team to negotiate with Sabathia for a contract extension. Or did you mean some combination of this list?
I don’t know how we get rid of Gallagher. Too much upside, in my opinion.
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by carmen_fanzone on Jun 24, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree completely
I don’t want to sell the farm to get a veteren pitcher. Especially with the way baseball is trending toward youth.
If we can get a good deal, thats fine. But with as awful as the AL Central is, I don’t think Cleveland is going to be out of it for a long time, if at all.
I think the trade deadline’s going to be pretty bare, unless you want to go after Bedard. And everything I’ve heard about Bedard is that he’s a headcase who likes to take himself out of games. Plus Seattle gave up a LOT to get him, they’re going to want to restock their system.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 24, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard that too about Bedard.
Clubhouse cancer, struggles to go more than 5 innings. Haven’t we seen enough of his ilk?
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by Bump Bailey on Jun 24, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't give up all our top prospects for a "rent-a-pitcher" like Sabathia.
And who knows, Cleveland is just 6.5 games out of first and may want to keep him longer. Same holds true for Harden and Oakland. Burnette might be available, but he doesn’t seem to be much of an improvement on what we already have. As for Fuentes, no how, no way. I’d as soon have Cotts or Eyre as him. He’s been just as shaky as either of them.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 24, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuentes
... Fuentes has been pretty good this season. I’d love to see him in the Cubs’ pen. Are you sure you aren’t thinking about Manny Corpas?
Dome-san!!
by Goat Whisperer on Jun 24, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuentes
has downright nasty stuff when he’s on. But with the D-bags slide even the Rockies aren’t that far out of the race… they aren’t going to give him up yet.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 24, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps...
I was just remembering his 4 consecutive blown saves last year. You’re right, he is having a pretty good season this year. If he can be had, why not?
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 24, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was a report
from Ken Rosenthal that the Cubs were interested in Brian Fuentes, but he corrected himself a day later and said he had made a mistake. (A refreshing admission from Robothal. That’s why he’s the best these days.) But it sounds like Bump didn’t get the correction.
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by Josh77 on Jun 24, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was only replying to Ivy Walls comment above...
I didn’t know if he was available or not. However, that is refreshing indeed to hear that Rosenthal corrected himself. I’ve always liked him too.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 24, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Noooooooooo!
Not Daisy Fuentes!!!
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on Jun 24, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes! Daisy Fuentes!!!
Oh, you mean pitching?!
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by Blue W on Jun 24, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't need Omar and his cost
but thanks for playing.
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field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the
defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the
blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and
long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this
aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in
the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
"In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! - I hope I'll
be safe at home!"
by bubbamike the one and only on Jun 24, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we're going to go hog-wild with spending,
I’d take Dave Roberts off of SF’s hands befor Vizquel. Vizquel looks done to me. Roberts, though, would give us value of a real pinch-runner on the worst-case end and on the best-case end, he and Reed Johnson could potentially platoon in CF with the small grounds in Wrigley. (I wouldn’t play him over the Edmonds we are seeing now, but Edmonds is fragile at this stage of his career.)
by DGU on Jun 24, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the "actions" part of the site goes directly to SBNation?
I’ll look up some links….
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by carmen_fanzone on Jun 24, 2008 10:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No, it goes to his profile.
But unless I hear about it, I wouldn’t necessarily look up any specific profile.
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by Al on Jun 24, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got the links.
Thanks. This will be taken care of.
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by Al on Jun 24, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Al
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by carmen_fanzone on Jun 24, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks a bunch, Al.
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by slcathena on Jun 24, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was at the Sunday game..
And it was Dotel and Ozzie’s son playing catch. After they were done playing catch, Dotel acted like he was going to throw it to the RF bleachers, than the LF bleachers and ran off with the ball, acting like a tease.
He then got to the foul line and made a gesture that you see in the bedroom..
Devin Hester, you are rediculous! -Jeff Joniak
by ARAM FOR MVP on Jun 24, 2008 10:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I saw all of that.
From the LF corner it looked like Ozzie. Thanks for the details.
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by Al on Jun 24, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya, I was surprised.
And Al, you were at the Friday game I assume, right?
Devin Hester, you are rediculous! -Jeff Joniak
by ARAM FOR MVP on Jun 24, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I was. Why?
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by Al on Jun 24, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Security
Did security do anything about the WS fans throwing trash on the field after the Aramis walk-off or the guy jumping into the batters eye?
Devin Hester, you are rediculous! -Jeff Joniak
by ARAM FOR MVP on Jun 24, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know, because I left fairly quickly.
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by Al on Jun 24, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait but did you see the guy shagging balls
who gave us all the finger when running in from the OF on Saturday? That was also classy!
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 24, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW
“He then got to the foul line and made a gesture that you see in the bedroom”
For real? Damn, what is up with that team lately???
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jun 24, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they're classy, huh?
heh.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 24, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I've said...
... don’t even acknowledge this stuff. That’s what they want. Ignore them. That drives them crazy.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 24, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats were being the blind one comes in handy
never notice any of that crap.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 24, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really want to make the t-shirt
from the game thread the other day..
See you next week – we’ll bring the rats – you bring your teeth!
by lswaidz on Jun 24, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't believe it either.
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.
Devin Hester, you are rediculous! -Jeff Joniak
by ARAM FOR MVP on Jun 24, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All this after his 2 gopher balls on Friday.
LOL. Smart guy.
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by carmen_fanzone on Jun 24, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It does surprise me though...
I remember how this Crosstown series used to really get (it seemed anyway) into the CUBS players heads and not the other way around. And… even when it did… it only affected their play on the field (unfortunately – lol) and I can’t remember any of the Cubs players pulling some immature crap like I’ve heard about this past weekend. It’s unfortunate.
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jun 24, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano
We were walking down Mich. Ave and Soriano comes driving by revving his Aston Martin engine. Pretty funny. And Shawn Marion was sitting a rown in front of us, reppin his Cubs hat.
Devin Hester, you are rediculous! -Jeff Joniak
by ARAM FOR MVP on Jun 24, 2008 10:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
When did you see Alfonso on Michigan Ave.?
Just curious—I work near there.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 24, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sunday around 1. I was walking to Nike Town.
Devin Hester, you are rediculous! -Jeff Joniak
by ARAM FOR MVP on Jun 24, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool, thanks.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 24, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He wasn't driving this?
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by Bump Bailey on Jun 24, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny and Ozzie
Do they get a free-pass on what they said after Friday’s loss?
Devin Hester, you are rediculous! -Jeff Joniak
by ARAM FOR MVP on Jun 24, 2008 10:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Which part? lol
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jun 24, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol.
Everything. Classy organization. Guess that’s where the fans get it from.
Devin Hester, you are rediculous! -Jeff Joniak
by ARAM FOR MVP on Jun 24, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
These guys?
They always get a pass; they’re music legends!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 24, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Devin Hester, you are rediculous! -Jeff Joniak
by ARAM FOR MVP on Jun 24, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch - painful historical post
I was actually at the game when Ozzie did the 7th inning. Guy could barely walk up the ramp before killing the song.
What a painful day. I cant even remember if the Cubs won or lost that day
I bleed double blue Cubbies & NY Rangers
by parrotinct on Jun 24, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ozzie Osbourne
That clip is still on youtube. Funny stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdwOoinuJi0
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 24, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ozzie is an embarrassment to musicians everywhere.....
by crazymountain on Jun 24, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
People actually confuse him with musicians?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 24, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, yes.....
my guitar mags are full of Ozzie…...
by crazymountain on Jun 24, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does he actually play? Can he?
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They present his songs in tablature form...
but I don’t think many guitarists actually think he is a musician. Most people understand he’s just the vocal front man…Rhodes, Lee, Wylde, and Vai were the guys who madethose songs “go”....
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 24, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
And don’t forget Tony Iommi—I’ll defend the first five Sabbath albums with my life.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 24, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I guess it's debatable...
...whether he’s a “musician.” He’s worked with some great ones, though.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 24, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wating for SWL to pop in..
Devin Hester, you are rediculous! -Jeff Joniak
by ARAM FOR MVP on Jun 24, 2008 10:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 24, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
by CyberCyclist on Jun 24, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LAMO?
Laughing Amongst Many Others? A group thing?
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Something like that
my dog certainly thinks I’m hilarious… although I think she may be the only one.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 24, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Laughing Alone (but) Maniacally Outloud
Ha.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 24, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But laughter is better shared.
And you’re never alone on BCB. ;)
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless you're blue mike
than you’re always off in LF by yourself.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 24, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO...he's a 2nd baseman...remember?
I wonder how “scrappy” he was….hmmm.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 24, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wonder if he was the wonder mullet hamster
thing’s predecessor.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 24, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True. Ten points.
Come to think of it, so was Bonds.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it's punctuated.
Laughing ass, mine, off.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 24, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah. I can't do Yoda
or Yoda I cannot do or whatever.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 24, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What she said, that is.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the BCB Dictionary grows.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha
bet that’ll be fun to explain… wth does “wssti” mean.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 24, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Simply put: the evolution of a stupid joke.
Or, Star Warsification of an Office anti-joke.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
yeah, that’ll clear up everything.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 24, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't be simpler.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Danks
Kids a very good pitcher, but the league should do something about those comments he made.
Devin Hester, you are rediculous! -Jeff Joniak
by ARAM FOR MVP on Jun 24, 2008 11:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why?
I’d rather they do some work to ensure consistency among the umpires’ strike zones, stop umps from openly confronting managers and players, and do more to curb fan interference on balls in play. I could care less what the players have to say. Sticks and stones.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 24, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't have said it better
There are bigger issues than policing what players say about parks.
by rlpete on Jun 24, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I've given a lot of thought to the suspensions handed out by MLB.....
Position players suspensions are measured in days. Pitcher’s are handled the same, 5 days instead of 5 starts. So, why don’t they just make the suspended pitchers punishment something like…..3 starts throwing with the opposite hand!!!!!!
by crazymountain on Jun 24, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hoffpauir
His career minor league numbers are .281./.339/.454. His recent AAA numbers look better because he spent parts of 5 seasons there. He’s a 28-year old 1st baseman.
He is not going to add much value in any trade. Teams are not going to look at 19 major league AB’s and think he is all of a sudden a .300 hitter. Comparing him to Kotchman is ridiculous.
This overrating of him is starting to remind me of the Sam Fuld love-fest last winter.
by rlpete on Jun 24, 2008 11:12 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
Made the same remarks here earlier
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 24, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
only you made them more accurately and i daresay more reasonably.
I'm a good speller, but my typing creates a SERIOUS vacuum. (especially while I'm at work sticking it to the man)
by cubfever7 on Jun 24, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Fuld
is a triple-threat! He’s scrappy, hunky and Jewish!
It's a girl! Born 1-18-08. 2246 PST. 8 lbs. 1 oz.
by Josh77 on Jun 24, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so is Ben Stiller
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Jun 24, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure
Ben is scrappy.
It's a girl! Born 1-18-08. 2246 PST. 8 lbs. 1 oz.
by Josh77 on Jun 24, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he did nail that chick with a volleyball in "Meet the Parents."
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 24, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nor "hunky"
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 24, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can say that again.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 24, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's also really, really, good looking.
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Jun 24, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you forgot
ridiculously
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jun 24, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
charitable too
he’s got a center for kids that can’t read good
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 24, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he warns us that...
“Anyone can die in a tragic gasoline fight accident”
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Jun 24, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you just say "But Fuld"?
Geez, I’m so Immature.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel
by Blue W on Jun 24, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jewish and Catholic
They celebrated Christmas and Hanukkah.
by sue369 on Jun 24, 2008 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's had 45 at bats, not 19....
...with 14 hits. 6 doubles. I’ll take any guy off the bench who hits .400, whether he’s a career minor leaguer or not. He’s also 12-27 when he’s STARTED a game. You don’t think a team would take a flier on that?
I wouldn’t call it a love-fest, but you can’t deny he’s contributed and contributed well to this team. Everyone wants to complain that “he’s playing over his head”, but they’re called “career years” for a reason. Lightning in a bottle, baby.
Nobody cares about your fantasy league team
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 24, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did say
That Wrigley was a s* hole, and that he was bringing his nose plugs to drown the smell of urine.
Devin Hester, you are rediculous! -Jeff Joniak
by ARAM FOR MVP on Jun 24, 2008 11:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Who made the great comment here yesterday...
... about how he should keep his noseclips because the smell of defeat has to be worse than the smell of urine? That was brilliant.
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jun 24, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was the best poster ever
Sue
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Jun 24, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh.
Old ballparks smell. I refuse to take this stuff personally. It’s a ballpark. If he wants to say that stuff, and that’s how he feels, so be it. I’ve never been in the visitor’s clubhouse, so I can’t say he’s wrong, and another guy made much the same observation a couple years ago: Jim Edmonds.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 24, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For guys that work
2/3 of the year and get paid a buttload of money for playing a game, they sure bitch a lot.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Jun 24, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about you...
but I bitch a lot too….it’s just that my wife doesn’t print in in a newspaper, publish it on the internet, or broadcast it on national TV. Everyone complains.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 24, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone poops, too
but you don’t hear me making a big stink of it.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's true! I've got the book and everything!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 24, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That book singlehandedly potty trained my 2 daughters...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 24, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somewhere in the world there's a guy (or girl)
who, when hearing the phrase “Excuse me, I have to go to the bathroom” can respond with “Tell me about it, I wrote the book on it!”
No, I’m not jealous. Much.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, mine too!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 24, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does the book work for the Elderly?
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Jun 24, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure. Or you could try these:
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 24, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bitch about things all the time
I just bitched about rich guys playing a game bitching. Although, if a microphone was stuffed in my face and would be broadcasted to millions of people and then put into print for millions of more people Id shut my mouth.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Jun 24, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you would, but maybe you wouldn't hammer
Its not like anything you’re saying here is remotely false.
I remember one of the strikes years ago when the avg salary was ONLY $2M or so a year. One of the guys had the audacity to talke about not being able to plan his retirement if the players were on strike too long. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
Like Eddie Murphy said once in his standups about someone rich not being able to make ends meet. “You’re rolling in cash, the ends are meeting like a M-F’er”.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Jun 24, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Besides, who gives a rats ass what
any ChiSox player says anyway? It’s imbreeding from all the way at the top, starting with Kenny. See the Mariotti article about him the other day? This is the TEAMS’ GM SAYING THIS SHIT.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/mariotti/1015873,Mariotti062009.article
If the GM talks smack and the manager is a certifiable loon, the owner is greener than envy, the fan base for the most part is a self-pity party, what else can be expected from the players than that kind of crap? From remarks and antics from Valentin a few years back to the jackass that catches for them now and now the punk that said this…it never stops.
I’m just glad the Cubs organization kept to the high road and hope they continue to do so. The best thing ANY ONE OF US as diehard CUBS FANS can do is totally ignore the goings-on from the junior circuits’ representative 9 miles south. Like my late father used to tell me, “son don’t give them the satisfaction”.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Jun 24, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
Oh, and we can beat them when we play, too.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it has been historically true, White Sox management
being rotten from the top down. After all, the earliest I can think of is 1919, when Mr. Comiskey failed to pay his players what he promised them, bonuses if they won the pennant. The gambling crowd made sure they got their bonuses…...
by crazymountain on Jun 24, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That may not be true
that’s from “Eight Men Out” and later historians have been unable to find out where Asinof got that information and he didn’t cite it and never explained where he got that from. Essentially, there’s no concrete evidence that Comiskey ever welched on a bonus he’d promised. (The bonus to Cicotte if he won 30 is really shaky—it simply doesn’t fit the facts of Cicotte’s career and salary.)
It could have happened because there is a lot of evidence that Comiskey was a cheapskate of the first order. On the other hand, so was Charles Murphy, who owned the Cubs in the Tinkers-to-Evers-to-Chance days.
Don’t forget though, that Bill Veeck owned the White Sox for a few years.
It's a girl! Born 1-18-08. 2246 PST. 8 lbs. 1 oz.
by Josh77 on Jun 24, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've never seen "eight men out", tried but found it boring.
Actually got that bit from (can’t cite it because I’ve read a lot about the man!) something on Meyer Lansky….
by crazymountain on Jun 24, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The movie isn't as good as the book.
Read the book.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 24, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that usually the case though.
This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
by HectorVillanueva on Jun 24, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Devil Wears Prada
Movie much better than the book.
The exception that makes the rule.
"In football the object is for the quarterback, also known as the
field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the
defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the
blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and
long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this
aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in
the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
"In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! - I hope I'll
be safe at home!"
by bubbamike the one and only on Jun 24, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OOh, their big bad pitcher
insulted our park. I don’t care. Why does that matter?
He said it to insult us, and I can’t even get a fig about it. He lost thats enough payback for me.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 24, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares
Ozzie Guillen is crazy like a fox and says things for affect. It’s his way of motivating his ballclub. I can’t worry about the guy in the other dugout.
GET Rich Harden !!! 10 starts, 4-0, 59 IP, 72 Ks, 2.44 ERA !!!
by MDBNIU on Jun 24, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Edmonds doesn't scare me......
I’ll always pitch to him.” Seems like he walked Edmonds intentionally…...after that was said.
by crazymountain on Jun 24, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not worthy of a fanpost
but I was checking the O’s site in anticipation of tonight’s game and came across this article about everyone’s favorite unmentionable player.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 11:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
F.Y.I. on Roberts so far for 2008
BA: .290 / 5 HRs / 29 RBIs / 33 BBs / 51 Ks / OBP: .372
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jun 24, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's go one step further and get it out of the way:
Brian Roberts: .290/.372/.469 (.841 OPS, 125 OPS+), 21 SB
Mark DeRosa: .285/.373/.438 (.811 OPS, 111 OPS+), 3 SB
Anyone having any second thoughts? I must confess, Roberts’ numbers are better than I expected. (Full disclosure: I haven’t been following his performance very closely.)
Nonetheless, I’m guessing Sean Gallagher wouldn’t be on the team right now if the Cubs had, in fact, acquired BRob. So, particularly in light of Rich Hill’s fall into the seventh circle of minor league baseball, I still have no problem with Hendry walking away from this trade. The Cubs offense has been just fine.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 24, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and our pitching staff
is happy with gallagher, who i really like.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 24, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
someone said it above, the best deals are sometimes those never made. IMO the combination of DeRosa and Gallagher is helping the Cubs win more games than the Cubs would if they had Roberts, but without Gallagher.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jun 24, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
And with Z going down Hill might’ve been the one called up for these two starts.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was for it then when I thought
it was a mechanism to get Soriano out of the leadoff spot. Nothing against DeRo. For his numbers, I sort of expected that level. I just don’t know his defencive comparison to DeRo at 2B but the SB’s are intriguing. He’s on pace again for near 50.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Jun 24, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the stolen bases gave me pause, too.
That’s pretty impressive. Otherwise, their numbers are somewhat similiar. I’m a little bit surprised Roberts is outslugging DeRo, but I guess that could change pretty quickly.
If anyone out there can do a quick and dirty stats-based defensive comparison, that would be interesting, too.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 24, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Jun 24, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comparing apples to oranges
Roberts was to be broghtin to bea leadoff man.
No knock on DeRo but those sbs would be real nice on this club.
by cubbierc on Jun 24, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ron Santo is not going to get in the Hall
It’s become pointless to further debate the subject. All it does is serve to get Ron Santo depressed. Santo is clearly a borderline case. Fact is he never played on a great team, never made the playoffs and had a reputation for being a prick. If I had a vote then I would let Ronny into the Hall if for no other reason then there are a number of other borderline cases already in (e.g., Phil Rizzuto, Nellie Fox). But I think that ship has already sailed. Santo’s legacy is as a very good ballplayer. But not a great ballplayer. So for the sake of Ron Santo lets move on and let him enjoy what he has in life.
GET Rich Harden !!! 10 starts, 4-0, 59 IP, 72 Ks, 2.44 ERA !!!
by MDBNIU on Jun 24, 2008 11:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You don't think he can get in with the 'new rules', eh?
I was thinking (OK hoping) maybe he juuuust might get there… finally.
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jun 24, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Geez...thanks for popping the balloon of hope we all had MDBNIU....
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 24, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
umm...
is that rabbit trying to do what I think he’s trying to do?
Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
by CyberCyclist on Jun 24, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, yes I think it is
Poor confused little bunny.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 24, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hope he didn't buy it dinner first.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 24, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bet that was exciting dinner converstion
what do you mean you don’t like cedar bedding for your cage?
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 24, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Must be where those rabbit shaped balloons come from.....
by crazymountain on Jun 24, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's also where the expression...
...”doin’ it like rabbit-shaped balloons” comes from. Little-known fact.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 24, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watching this
gives new meaning to the saying “[humping] like rabbits”
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jun 24, 2008 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lesson of the day
I think you’re all smart enough to put this one together.
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on Jun 24, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Santo has a flag flying above Wrigley.
I’m happy with that.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everytime I see the speech he made
where he said that “This is my hall of fame”... I get a little misty. Gotta love that guy.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 24, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely.
Loved seeing that on Cubs Forever.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any one get the book?
I haven’t had a chance yet and hadn’t heard if it was any good
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 24, 2008 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I picked up a copy
It was a fairly interesting read, though it got quite repetitive after awhile. There are some very cool pictures, and for those of you who are lazy, there is a DVD with the book that bits and pieces of most of the interviews in the book.
---AC 00 00 00 - Believe
by mjk83 on Jun 24, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Ty Cobb
was a saint? It’s not the “good guys” HOF…..Cobb may have killed somebody, if we are to believe the reports.
Your case, (if you have one) isn’t accurate. On his stats alone—he’s in. Who gives a damn if he didn’t play on a great team?
You’ve just written this to provoke.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 24, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, the HOF is NOT for "just the good guys"
no matter what ESPN says. It is for great baseball players. Period.
by crazymountain on Jun 24, 2008 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: And Ty Cobb
You’ve just written this to provoke.
That pretty much sums up why MDBNIU is here.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 24, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bow to you, Great One...
Mdbniu, once again your wisdom is awe-inspiring. Selfish me, I never stopped to think about how much I was ruining Santo’s peace of mind by saying he should be in the HOF…..I’M NOT WORTHY!!!!!!! And, Sorry Ron, I will NEVER speak of the HOF again, now that I know your quality of life has been SO affected.
by crazymountain on Jun 24, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your boy Harden was mentioned
in Sullivan’s article today…take it for what its worth.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Jun 24, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else listen to Dave Kaplan's show on 'GN last night?
FWIW, he had a Bay area sportswriter on specifically to comment on the prospect of Rich Harden coming to the Cubs. After establishing that Harden is, in fact, a very talented young pitcher, Kap kept trying to pin the guy down on whether, if he (the sportswriter) was the Cubs GM, he would make a trade for Harden.
Finally, at the end of the interview, the guy basically gave in and confessed (in so many words) that he would NOT make such a trade BECAUSE OF HARDEN’S INJURY HISTORY. He said something along the lines of “prospects are gold” and the risk of the deal would simply be too great.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 24, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm.....
seems that a lot of us already said that….....mdbniu, whadda think?
by crazymountain on Jun 24, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Santo
was the best third basemen of the generation before Mike Schmidt. If Schmidt hadn’t come around then there would have been no argument about Santo belonging. Even Bill James knows he belongs, the fact that you don’t says more about you than it does about Santo.
IMHO, Santo was the best 3rd basemen who played ball from 1940 till the ‘70s.
"In football the object is for the quarterback, also known as the
field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the
defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the
blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and
long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this
aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in
the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
"In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! - I hope I'll
be safe at home!"