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Open Thread: Cubs vs. Orioles, Tuesday 6/24, 7:05 CT

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Baltimore Orioles
@ Chicago Cubs

Tuesday, Jun 24, 2008, 7:05 PM CDT
Wrigley Field

Jeremy Guthrie vs Sean Marshall

Partly cloudy. Winds blowing from right to left field at 5-10 m.p.h. Game Time temperature: Around 75.

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Finally! A game day with no rain in the forecast.

In this, the 12th year of interleague play, the Orioles finally complete the AL circuit of Wrigley Field -- up to tonight, they are the only AL team to have not played at Wrigley since interleague play began. And considering how many former Cubs have traipsed through Baltimore in the last few years, with the recent DFA of Freddie Bynum, the number of ex-Cubs on the Orioles' active 25-man roster is... zero. The closest to an ex-Cub they have is Alex Cintron, who was in spring training with the Cubs this year, and who replaced Bynum as their starting SS. (Although there are many Orioles who have been rumored to be coming to the Cubs in recent years, from Jay Payton to Aubrey Huff to ... well, you know who, the second baseman.)

Just the fact that Freddie Bynum was Baltimore's starting SS ought to tell you a lot, although they are still hanging around the fringes of the AL wild-card race (5.5 games behind as of today). However, they have done this before in recent years, most notably in 2002, when they were 63-63 on August 23 and went 4-32 the rest of the way. (No, that's not a misprint. They lost 10 straight, won one, lost 8 more in a row, won one, lost one, won one, then finished the 2002 season with an 11-game losing streak. Think about that the next time you think the Cubs are going through a tough stretch.)

Andy MacPhail's coming to Chicago with the Orioles, but he doesn't really want you to notice:
"I'm really not looking for that," MacPhail said about the unremitting media spotlight, which he knows will likely find him. "I've thought about it, and I would try to lay low as much as I can, but obviously, you're going to face more of an issue if you're going to duck the media. [The Cubs] have the White Sox on both ends of us, so it should be fairly quiet."

OK, Andy, you got a deal. That's the last mention I'll make of him during this series.

Today's Starting Pitchers
Sean Marshall
S. Marshall
Cubs
vs. Jeremy Guthrie
J. Guthrie
Orioles
0-0 W-L 3-7
4.15 ERA 3.51
5 SO 68
7 BB 30
2 HR 13
vs. Bal -- vs. Cubs

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Sean Marshall 0-0 13 0 0 0 1 0 8.2 8 4 4 2 7 5 4.15 1.73


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Jeremy Guthrie 3-7 16 16 0 0 0 0 102.2 94 44 40 13 30 68 3.51 1.21

Neither of these pitchers has ever faced tonight's opponent. Jeremy Guthrie has one career relief appearance against the Cubs, a poor two-inning stint when he was with Cleveland in this June 19, 2006 game, one of the few the Cubs actually played well that year. Guthrie's decent ERA and poor W-L record suggests low run support, and his gamelogs bear that out: the Orioles have scored only 55 runs in his 16 starts, 3.44 per game. Guthrie's also allowed 13 HR in those 16 starts. The Cubs have had their HR shoes on lately -- light him up!

Oddly, the only current Oriole Sean Marshall has faced is a pitcher, Lance Cormier; that was June 8, 2007, when Cormier started a game for Atlanta against Marshall and the Cubs.

The game's on MASN, the Baltimore/Washington cable channel, so it should be on EI; it's also on WGN and at MLB.com Mediacenter.

MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)

MLB.com Gameday (2008 version)

Baseball-reference.com game preview

Today's overflow comment thread will post at 7:30 pm and 8:45 pm CT.

And I ask of you again: please, PLEASE try to be nice to each other in the game thread. We are all passionate about baseball and the Cubs and have strong opinions. But we don't have to be nasty to each other. Thanks.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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Go CUbs!

by Itchy on Jun 24, 2008 3:33 PM CDT   0 recs

Awww, heck

First!

I just wanted to note that Sean Marshall pitched 8 innings in his last Iowa start, but that was only 87 pitches. I wouldn’t expect him to go more than 6 innings tonight…not that there’s anything wrong with that, since the relievers had yesterday off.

Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"

by zambranofan on Jun 24, 2008 3:34 PM CDT   0 recs

87 pitches in 8 innings is outstanding.

I’d love to see that tonight.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 24, 2008 3:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll take 6 strong

with the Cubs up 7-1!!!

by Itchy on Jun 24, 2008 3:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That is vaguely...

...Maddux-esque. 87 pitches – 8 innings….maybe Marshall is finally using all that knowledge he gained from sitting next to Maddux in 2006!

by Chadnudj on Jun 24, 2008 3:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yep he was a prize pupil

He and Murton ( who figured Maddux knew a thing or two about hitting as well) took full advantage
of having the professor around.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Jun 24, 2008 4:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

27 pitches

Well – Greg Maddux came closest in recent times. He once pitched a complete, 9-inning game with just 64 pitches vs. the Expos in 1988.

"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979

by danimal15 on Jun 24, 2008 3:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh my God.

Just…wow.

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 3:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I echo: Wow

We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez

by Emelie on Jun 24, 2008 4:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maddux

It was late September and neither club was in the race. They were both just playing out the string and I imagine the Expos were swinging at a lot of first pitches.

"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979

by danimal15 on Jun 24, 2008 4:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't care what the circumstance is.

That pitch total in a CG is ridiculous. Maddux is so great.

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jun 24, 2008 5:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Speaking of efficiency...

...let’s try to make the opposing pitchers more INEFFICIENT and grab some base-clogging walks today. I’m somewhat saddened that the season walk total has fallen below club-record pace, according to Al’s sidebar.

by Chadnudj on Jun 24, 2008 3:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The angels havent played at Wrigley yet Al

Someday we'll go all the way.

by Cubbinstrongsince86 on Jun 24, 2008 3:45 PM CDT   0 recs

smacking forehead!

You’re right. I thought the Orioles completed the cycle.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 24, 2008 3:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

language

OK, Al – I’ll stop making those nasty comments right away!

Dan

"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979

by danimal15 on Jun 24, 2008 3:45 PM CDT   0 recs

GO CUBS!!!

Wait a minute... who am I here?

by malicedoom on Jun 24, 2008 3:45 PM CDT   0 recs

SWEET!!!

I actually get to watch a weeknight game. Cox Cable doesn’t carry WGN (or any other network that regularly features the Cubs) here in Fredericksburg, but the O’s are on ALL THE TIME.

"I'm not giving him a high-five ever again." - Sammy Sosa, joking about Moises Alou's personal habits

by MorePiePlease on Jun 24, 2008 3:50 PM CDT   0 recs

Strange

I have Cox Cable up in Fairfax and get WGN. I do have EI though too so I get to see more games there.

by rlpete on Jun 24, 2008 4:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

4-32!

Damn I didn’t think it was possible to be that bad.

My new life, my new world, and my beautiful daughter:
Kayla Davis: Due date (8-11-08)!

by Unique on Jun 24, 2008 3:56 PM CDT   0 recs

Hammer seems to be running behind...

Guthrie – light him up.

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 3:59 PM CDT   0 recs

Doesn't Hammer use all-caps ;)

Guthrie – LIGHT HIM UP!!

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on Jun 24, 2008 4:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, but he also uses "em"

which, to me, implies “them” not “him.”

It’s like a band covering a song: it’s not exact.

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 4:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think I remember the "em"

because it always bothered me.

You just sound jealous. ;)

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 4:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I am jealous, actually.

I squandered my PhD on KOW.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 24, 2008 4:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You did sound

awfully familiar with the FanPost that wasn’t

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on Jun 24, 2008 4:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yep, I have the dissertation to prove it.

Not that I would use my advanced degree to participate in any fanposts centered on said individual. If, in fact, any such fanposts did or did not actually exist on this or any other space-time continuum, which they do and/or did not.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 24, 2008 4:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

When Al deleted it

he altered the course of the site, essentially taking us off BCB and placing us firmly inside BCB-A.

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 4:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanc yu for pla-ink on BCB uniferce simoolashun.

Plese x-at tu tha reer.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jun 24, 2008 4:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe its all string theory

and you exist in an alternate reality

We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez

by Emelie on Jun 24, 2008 4:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Can the Cubs be a dynasty

with a ring on every finger here?

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 4:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's like being a comic book inker.

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 4:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You mean "tracer"...

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 24, 2008 4:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh, Banky...

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 4:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Great

Kevin Smith reference there

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on Jun 24, 2008 4:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Does anyone know who was sent down when we recalled Marshall? I know Patterson was brought up to take Z’s spot.

by Donbedouin on Jun 24, 2008 4:06 PM CDT   0 recs

Reed Johnson went to the DL

n/t

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Jun 24, 2008 4:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Didn’t he say just yesterday that he wasn’t asked by Hendry about the DL and that his back was getting better?

by Donbedouin on Jun 24, 2008 4:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He did offically?

I’ve been checking this all day and haven’t been able to find anything about it. Retroactive to last 06.17?

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 24, 2008 4:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Can't find anything official.

Everything is just speculative, saying he’ll likely be sent down to make room for Marshall. And since Marshall is pitching tonight, I guess we’re just putting two and two together.

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 4:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Just found it

on the Sun-Times twitter (pops up in new window, can’t get a link to it), posted 19 minutes ago

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on Jun 24, 2008 4:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Just googled

There are no official links yet

"ROUS's? Rodents of Unusual Size. Don't worry, they don't exist."
http://margaritagirl11.spaces.live.com/

by iluvryno on Jun 24, 2008 4:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

don't post sausage links

I’m already hungry.

Go ahead, Z me.

by tony412 on Jun 24, 2008 4:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Gordon Wittenmyer reported it briefly at Chicago Sun-Times

Chicago Sun-Times Cubs

Here’s the link to the Chicago Sun-Times Twitter update

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Jun 24, 2008 4:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Anyone know of a place in Denver to catch the game tonight?

"ROUS's? Rodents of Unusual Size. Don't worry, they don't exist."
http://margaritagirl11.spaces.live.com/

by iluvryno on Jun 24, 2008 4:21 PM CDT   0 recs

Tonight's starting lineup vs. O's

Fukudome
Patterson
Lee,
Ramirez
Edmonds
Soto
DeRosa
Theriot
Marshall

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Jun 24, 2008 4:23 PM CDT   0 recs

I call a DeRosa HR tonight.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 24, 2008 4:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Kind of an "in yo' face" to Roberts, eh?

“This is DeRo’s house!”

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 24, 2008 4:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I suppose so...

but I don’t expect him to steal a base.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 24, 2008 4:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

exactly.

Probably should have Cedeno hit one too, just to stick it to McPhail. Then have Murton hit one, have Gallagher get a save…... you get the point.

by sackings108 on Jun 24, 2008 4:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe Kosuke could, too.

I’m No.1 ‘round here!”

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 4:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

"Frosted tips" sure?

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 4:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I did not place any wager on it...

I’m just calling it.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 24, 2008 4:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

back to back maybe?

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 24, 2008 4:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe :)

If Guthrie pulls off a Contreras tonight, lol.

by Geo4MVP on Jun 24, 2008 4:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Then, with the crowd going bonkers, Theriot comes up...

and grounds out.

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 4:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

wow

it’s like you have a movie of the future, posting man!

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jun 24, 2008 4:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He's omniscient

"ROUS's? Rodents of Unusual Size. Don't worry, they don't exist."
http://margaritagirl11.spaces.live.com/

by iluvryno on Jun 24, 2008 4:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He has ESP n

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Jun 24, 2008 4:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I knew you were going to type that.

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 24, 2008 4:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Are you from the future?

"ROUS's? Rodents of Unusual Size. Don't worry, they don't exist."
http://margaritagirl11.spaces.live.com/

by iluvryno on Jun 24, 2008 4:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Daver

could probably make it happen

Go ahead, Z me.

by tony412 on Jun 24, 2008 4:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I can only make bad things happen. To other teams.

Hear that Kevin Millar? MUHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 24, 2008 4:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs