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Missed It By That Much: Cubs 5, Orioles 7

A fair amount of the play in the early innings of last night's 7-5 Cub loss to the Orioles, snapping their home winning streak at 14, resembled the bumbling spy Maxwell Smart (I haven't yet seen the new Get Smart movie, though I think I will -- I was a big fan of the TV series when it originally aired when I was a kid).

Some of the game recaps in the traditional media focused on a certain second baseman, who plays for the Orioles, who was the subject of at least 15,357 rumors on this site alone all winter. Granted, Brian Roberts had a good game last night, singling and tripling (including his 1000th career hit), and scoring two runs.

But the key play in this game was the misplay Eric Patterson made in left field when Luke Scott led off the sixth inning with a short pop fly into left-center. Now, usually that's the left fielder's ball -- any time an outfielder can get into range to catch a ball like that, you'd say he should, because he's got a better angle on it. In this case, Ryan Theriot was waving his right arm frantically, calling everyone else off -- the right thing to do when you've GOT IT!

Patterson bulled ahead anyway, chasing Theriot out of the way, and the ball dropped in between the two of them and Jim Edmonds, who had no shot at it. Scott was originally credited with a double, but later charitable (and correct, I think) scoring changed it to an error, making all three runs allowed by Michael Wuertz unearned (Jeremy Guthrie, the Orioles pitcher, would have made the last out of the inning by striking out).

That really was the game, because it made a 4-1 game into a 7-1 game, and if those runs don't score, Edmonds' three-run HR in the 7th and Aramis Ramirez' RBI single in the 8th would have won the game instead of just putting the Cubs back in it. They had a terrific chance to at least tie the game up in the 9th when they loaded the bases with nobody out, but Ronny Cedeno, Kosuke Fukudome and Henry Blanco all struck out and that was that.

Let's talk about Cedeno's K for a moment. He really didn't have a good at-bat -- he was set up well by O's closer George Sherrill, who put two fastballs by him and had Cedeno (he's got to give back ONEDEC! for a while, I think, having turned back around to the bad old Ronny) looking for a breaking ball outside -- and then Sherrill got him with a fastball again. So although Cedeno looked bad, give credit to Sherrill -- he does, after all, have 26 saves, the second-most in baseball.

Sean Marshall, I thought, threw well enough; he struck out seven and had his curve working quite well -- until he issued a walk in the 4th that helped lead to the first two runs, after which he started getting hit hard and often. The bullpen did a decent enough job of keeping the Cubs in the game -- as noted, the three runs off Wuertz shouldn't have scored.

You didn't really think this home winning streak would last forever, did you? That's a good long run, 14 games, and no streak like this one lasts forever. Credit to the Cubs for turning what looked, after six innings, to be a blowout loss, into a close game in the 8th and 9th that had the ballpark (and unlike a lot of midseason games, hardly anyone had left by the 9th) rocking, on an absolutely gorgeous, though coolish for late June, evening.

This is the first time the Orioles have visited Wrigley Field and there were a surprisingly large number of orange-clad Orioles fans in attendance. They were readily apparent not only for their bright-colored shirts, but they took part in what is a Baltimore tradition -- during the National Anthem, when the phrase near the end "Oh say does that star-spangled banner yet wave" is sung, they yell, very loudly, "O!" when "Oh" is sung. It was louder than you might have expected, mostly from the left field corner; the crowd last night, 41,537, was the sixth-largest crowd of the year.

That, and some pre-game discussion of the upcoming Peoria Chiefs game at Wrigley Field (to which, I learned from BCB reader BartlettBob, who sat with us last night, you cannot buy bleacher tickets at the box office -- only online), prompted me to go on an expedition to find out what the real seating capacity of Wrigley Field is. I remembered, years ago, there used to be posted signs, required by the Chicago Fire Department, of how many seats are in each area of the ballpark, including the bleachers. I figured if I added them all up, I could get pretty close, because there are so many different numbers online as to the current capacity. The Cubs website says 41,160, but that's been the same since last year; they haven't, it seems, added the 70 CBOE seats to that total. ESPN.com has -- sort of. They say 41,210. Ballparks.com, a pretty good authority, says 41,118.

So what do the official "ballpark figures" say? What they say is, the fire department and the Cubs have to get together and make a new sign. There's only one sign, now posted near the Cubs administrative office entrance. It's dated July 29, 2004 -- that's just about when the city came in to inspect, in connection with the falling concrete found earlier that month. The sign says the "fixed seating" capacity is 38,548 with "fixed seting including standing room" (yes, it's misspelled "seting") as 39,075.

Hey, Cubs: those numbers aren't even close to being right -- they don't include several of the premium seating sections nor the bleacher expansion. How about an accurate count?

Anyway, onward. The Cubs lost at home. It hadn't happened in five weeks. It was bound to happen sometime. We'll get 'em tonight. Final question for all of you: I noticed a third overflow thread was posted. Do you all think I need to post three overflow threads?

Jedmonds!
Jim Edmonds' HR in the 7th brings the Cubs back to within 7-4

How does he...

... do that??
Orioles submariner Chad Bradford pitching to Derrek Lee in the 8th; his hand nearly touches the ground when he throws.

Click on photos to open a larger version in a new browser window. All photos by David Sameshima

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Do we need a third overflow posted for game threads?
  • Yes
  • No

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Yes to the 3rd overflow

Nobody cares about your fantasy league team

by carmen_fanzone on Jun 25, 2008 8:49 AM CDT   0 recs

What say the rest of you?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 25, 2008 9:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll post a poll.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 25, 2008 9:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

How about adding a pregame thread instead?

The initial game thread is often pretty full before the game even starts.

by simonuk on Jun 25, 2008 9:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Jun 25, 2008 9:15 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That gets my vote.

Post the actual game thread about five minutes to start time.

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 9:15 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, that thread IS kind of a pre-game thread...

... because I’ve been having the first overflow post near the start of game time.

I’ll keep an eye on the poll.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 25, 2008 9:15 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, that would work better....

+1

Nobody cares about your fantasy league team

by carmen_fanzone on Jun 25, 2008 9:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ok - while I was writing my treatise (see way father below)...

...Simon and others were succinctly posting similar thoughts. Put me down for a most definite “Word” on this.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 25, 2008 9:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Excellent idea.

I was going to say that the original game thread is posted pretty early some times and by game time has so many posts it gets pretty slow before the first overflow comes up.

by sue369 on Jun 25, 2008 1:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I voted yes.

Anything to ease the inevitable slowdowns.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 10:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

Either a pregame or additional game thread works for me.

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Jun 25, 2008 11:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You'll get the extra thread tonight.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 25, 2008 1:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Bench

All of a sudden, with ReedJ on the DL and the demotion of Hoff, I think our bench has become weaker.

Sure, it’s nice to get DWard back (as long as he hits like last year, and not this year so far), but with Murton, Cedeno, Fontenot, and Blanco….I’m all of a sudden concerned about our pinch-hitting/double switch capabilities. None of those guys have been hitting lately.

These injuries lately have really sucked. :)

Nobody cares about your fantasy league team

by carmen_fanzone on Jun 25, 2008 8:57 AM CDT   0 recs

Well, sure.

Injuries deplete your bench. Every team has the injuries.

Point is, we’re struggling through the injuries (one to a key player) and finding ways to win. Remember, it could be Neifi out there.

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 9:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Or Jose Macias.

Or Tony Womack. Or Enrique Wilson. Or Rey Ordonez. Or John Mabry.

Ugh. Now I have to wash the keyboard off.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 25, 2008 9:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Just cos of typing those names

or the projectile vomit that resulted?

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 9:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Both.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 25, 2008 9:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Right.

It seems bad, but it’s not as bad as some teams, especially some former Cubs teams.

Some teams would really like a bench with two middle infielders who can hit a little.

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 9:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hoffpauir demotion doesn't hurt the bench at all

what we were really hurt by last night was not having a good RH PH – Reed Johnson would have been nice – but even nicer would have been if Alfonso Soriano was hitting first and Dome 2nd. If Soriano was up in that situation…

by DGU on Jun 25, 2008 9:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agree on the RH PH but....

sending a guy down that’s hitting .400 doesn’t hurt at all? A guy that’s hitting 12-27 when he starts a game? I realize I may be only one of a few Hoff supporters, but come on.

Nobody cares about your fantasy league team

by carmen_fanzone on Jun 25, 2008 9:11 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hoff supporter here

That doesn’t look right…but I’d rather have him than Matty Murton.

by Spydey on Jun 25, 2008 1:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Is it ok to wear them before Labor Day?

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Jun 25, 2008 2:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Disappointing loss on three ugly K's

but all you can do is get up, dust yourself off, and start a brand spankin’ new streak today. The Cubs have shown resiliancy all season, and the O’s still gotta play in our house. The series ain’t up yet.

Go Cubs.

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 8:59 AM CDT   0 recs

Reminds me of Lloyd and Harry in Dumb and Dumber....

...”we’re in a hole and we just have pull ourselves out of it.”

I'm a good speller, but my typing creates a SERIOUS vacuum. (especially while I'm at work sticking it to the man)

by cubfever7 on Jun 25, 2008 9:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's been far too long since I've watched that movie.

“If she’s the kind of girl I think she is, she’ll invite us right in for tea and strumpets.”

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 9:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

or.....

“Nice hooters you have there….....the owls.”

I'm a good speller, but my typing creates a SERIOUS vacuum. (especially while I'm at work sticking it to the man)

by cubfever7 on Jun 25, 2008 9:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Those your skiis? Both of 'em?

This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.

by HectorVillanueva on Jun 25, 2008 9:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

preced by..."skis huh?--they yours?"

a great line

I'm a good speller, but my typing creates a SERIOUS vacuum. (especially while I'm at work sticking it to the man)

by cubfever7 on Jun 25, 2008 9:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Al, got to echo your comment about Lee from a few days ago

I’m also worried. He doesn’t seem to be going to RF as much as he used to with runners on base, and he has hit into an alarming amount of double plays. Both times last night with runners on, he hit weak grounders to the left side—one was a DP, the other should have been.

I know he’s on pace to drive in more than 100, and it’s hard to find fault with that. But it just seems lately, with runners on, he’s not been himself.

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 25, 2008 8:59 AM CDT   0 recs

Had to watch the game on Dish DVR late last night est.

Was there any talk on the threads to have Ronnie C. lay down a bunt ??? in the 9th.

seems you might have given up a out for a run and put more pressure on Sherrill with only a one run margin.

The song says 2 out of 3 aint bad, 14 out of 15 is great !!!

I bleed double blue Cubbies & NY Rangers

by parrotinct on Jun 25, 2008 9:00 AM CDT   0 recs

With the bases loaded, anything less than a perfect bunt is a force at home

and quite possibly a double play.

Swinging away was the only call, but with the caveat to swing at strikes.

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 25, 2008 9:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Start a new streak tonight!

And despite it all they were still in it at the end of the game. No one thought the streak was going to last the rest of the season. The Cubbies are now 32-9 at home this season! If they have anything even close to that type of home record the rest of the season, we’ll be doing A-OK to say the least.
Let’s get those O’s tonight.

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel

by Blue W on Jun 25, 2008 9:03 AM CDT   0 recs

The thing about the loss hurting

was because we came back and had a shot to win. If things continued and we lost 7-1 we’re bummed but not really heartbroken. To come back with a three-run shot then bases loaded in the ninth and losing on three straight UGLY strikeouts is what takes the wind out of you.

But, yes, we’ll get those birds tonight.

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 9:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Cedeno

Hopefully his horrific at bat in the ninth will end the doubt as to who is our SS.
That was really pathetic

Can’t win em all though

by plenz on Jun 25, 2008 9:04 AM CDT   0 recs

I've seen more pitches in the last week than Cedeno has.

We can’t expect him to be good at pinch hitting…he’s not a pinch hitter.

He needs a start or two.

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 9:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe...

but that AB was pathetic. 3 pitch whiff and two of them were balls.

by Spydey on Jun 25, 2008 2:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Last night hinged on two plays...

Cedeno’s at bat in the 9th. Earlier EPat’s error on the ball in shallow left center. Cedeno went down just like in the past, swinging at balls out of the strike zone. We needed a fly ball, he needed to make contact. Oh… well- Theriot had that ball, and sure it is the purview of the OF’er to call off an infielder. However, not in that particular case last night, running in at the last second, when Theriot is under it. Not good. All in all though, they lost, but showed Cubbie pluck to get back into it. They’ll start another winning streak tonight.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 9:07 AM CDT   0 recs

To be fair

Fukudome’s AB was just as bad. The last pitch he swung at was at least a foot outside.

by rlpete on Jun 25, 2008 9:47 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree that Cedeno's AB was an absolute rally killer...

...but I also can’t deny that Dome’s AB really swung the momentum in Sherrill’s favor. Kosuke seemed a little “wired up” last night. He appeared to have really exagerrated reactions to the chin music being thrown his way. (Of course, that’s easy for me to say. I wasn’t the one having 95+ mph pitches thrown at me.)

I guess it’s something to keep an eye on. I still have a pretty substantial amount of faith that Dome is smart enough to adjust to the “bust-him-inside-then-throw-him-sliders-low-and-away” strategy that opposing pitchers have been using on him.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 10:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

IMO

Dome was forced to swing at those consecutive sliders by a bad strike call on the outside corner on the fastball that preceded the two sliders. I didn’t think that fastball was a strike, but Sherrill got the call and the sliders were initially right on the same line. Dome had to swing at those.

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on Jun 25, 2008 12:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Dome's at bat

anyone else noticing a pattern emerging… It seems they’re going at him with a first pitch strike or inside pitch, getting him into 1-2 counts then pouring on sliders low and away. Considering his spin swing towards right, there’s no way he can get to tose pitches.

Go ahead, Z me.

by tony412 on Jun 25, 2008 9:49 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It does seem to be happening a bit more frequently

and it doesn’t help when Dome swings at pitches that are a foot outside. It makes the problem even more evident. It looks like it is a bit of adjustment by some teams to him. He needs to adjust in return.

by rlpete on Jun 25, 2008 10:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It should also be noted...

...that the O’s had ‘buzzed his tower’ twice before he had that weak strikeout swing. Two instances of chasing him out of the box with a high and tight fastball, as well as getting plunked hard on the elbow by Sox pitching on Sunday night…it’s no wonder that he wasn’t diving out over the plate on a sweeping slider from a hard-throwing left-handed closer…

by Shawon O Meter on Jun 25, 2008 11:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

A moment of silence please.

Let’s all take a moment to recognize that we have now watched the entire ML career of one Micah Hoffpauir. It was fun while it lasted and because he had such a nice string of luck, he will forever have a handful of fans saying, “If only he really got a shot!”

by DGU on Jun 25, 2008 9:09 AM CDT   0 recs

You haven't seen his entire career.

Lou likes him. He’ll be back in September.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 25, 2008 9:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed...

DGU – I realize you don’t care for the guy as a player, and I agree he’s surely been playing over his head at the plate in his brief time in the MLB. But he is absolutely going to get another trip up to the big leagues, if for no other reason than that the rosters will expand in September.

by SouthernCub on Jun 25, 2008 10:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He'll be back....roster expansion.

Why wouldn’t he? Jeez.

Nobody cares about your fantasy league team

by carmen_fanzone on Jun 25, 2008 9:15 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Although the 9th was frustrating with the three Ks last night...

...one of the many things I love about this team is that they didn’t quit!

How many teams would have just packed it in down7-1? Quite a few in my estimation….

This team is in just about every game and that will get you quite a few W’s in the end.

by JB 23 on Jun 25, 2008 9:14 AM CDT   0 recs

I agree about them not quitting!

I remember years past when a ball was dropped or the score became 7-1 it usually ended 12-1 with the Cubs going down looking bad. Even when this team makes mistakes they comeback from it instead of getting blown out. Yeah, the three K’s was frustrating but they went down fighting and made it close at the end. It is a lot better than getting blown out like in the past. They don’t ever quit and that is one of the many things I love about this Cubs team!

"My favorite umpire is a dead one."
-Johnny Evers

by MiCubsFan on Jun 25, 2008 9:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The other bonus...

...that comes from not quitting is that we caused two of their relievers to throw 30+ pitches over 1.1 innings last night. Might come into play in games 2 & 3…

by Shawon O Meter on Jun 25, 2008 11:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Get Smart movie

Don’t go to it expecting it to be anything like the show other than character names. Beyond that, it’s nothing like the show.

Still funny. But not in the same way at all.

by Arbusto on Jun 25, 2008 9:17 AM CDT   0 recs

Because the old show played on

gender stereotypes and counter-culture cliches; this version just doesn’t get it.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 9:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So you're saying

the movie needs to get smart?

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 9:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll probably go see it anyway...

... just because I like Steve Carell.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 25, 2008 9:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Same.

Can’t say enough good things about Little Miss Sunshine.

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 9:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Word

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 9:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

great great movie

We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez

by Emelie on Jun 25, 2008 10:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 25, 2008 10:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Did you see him on the Daily Show the other night?

If not, here’s the full episode.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 9:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That was phenomenal.

Love seeing people genuinely lose it like Steve did.

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 9:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I miss "EvenStephen"

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 9:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ironically, yes.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-1