Missed It By That Much: Cubs 5, Orioles 7
by Al on Jun 25, 2008 8:44 AM CDT
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A fair amount of the play in the early innings of last night's 7-5 Cub loss to the Orioles, snapping their home winning streak at 14, resembled the bumbling spy Maxwell Smart (I haven't yet seen the new Get Smart movie, though I think I will -- I was a big fan of the TV series when it originally aired when I was a kid).
Some of the game recaps in the traditional media focused on a certain second baseman, who plays for the Orioles, who was the subject of at least 15,357 rumors on this site alone all winter. Granted, Brian Roberts had a good game last night, singling and tripling (including his 1000th career hit), and scoring two runs.
But the key play in this game was the misplay Eric Patterson made in left field when Luke Scott led off the sixth inning with a short pop fly into left-center. Now, usually that's the left fielder's ball -- any time an outfielder can get into range to catch a ball like that, you'd say he should, because he's got a better angle on it. In this case, Ryan Theriot was waving his right arm frantically, calling everyone else off -- the right thing to do when you've GOT IT!
Patterson bulled ahead anyway, chasing Theriot out of the way, and the ball dropped in between the two of them and Jim Edmonds, who had no shot at it. Scott was originally credited with a double, but later charitable (and correct, I think) scoring changed it to an error, making all three runs allowed by Michael Wuertz unearned (Jeremy Guthrie, the Orioles pitcher, would have made the last out of the inning by striking out).
That really was the game, because it made a 4-1 game into a 7-1 game, and if those runs don't score, Edmonds' three-run HR in the 7th and Aramis Ramirez' RBI single in the 8th would have won the game instead of just putting the Cubs back in it. They had a terrific chance to at least tie the game up in the 9th when they loaded the bases with nobody out, but Ronny Cedeno, Kosuke Fukudome and Henry Blanco all struck out and that was that.
Let's talk about Cedeno's K for a moment. He really didn't have a good at-bat -- he was set up well by O's closer George Sherrill, who put two fastballs by him and had Cedeno (he's got to give back ONEDEC! for a while, I think, having turned back around to the bad old Ronny) looking for a breaking ball outside -- and then Sherrill got him with a fastball again. So although Cedeno looked bad, give credit to Sherrill -- he does, after all, have 26 saves, the second-most in baseball.
Sean Marshall, I thought, threw well enough; he struck out seven and had his curve working quite well -- until he issued a walk in the 4th that helped lead to the first two runs, after which he started getting hit hard and often. The bullpen did a decent enough job of keeping the Cubs in the game -- as noted, the three runs off Wuertz shouldn't have scored.
You didn't really think this home winning streak would last forever, did you? That's a good long run, 14 games, and no streak like this one lasts forever. Credit to the Cubs for turning what looked, after six innings, to be a blowout loss, into a close game in the 8th and 9th that had the ballpark (and unlike a lot of midseason games, hardly anyone had left by the 9th) rocking, on an absolutely gorgeous, though coolish for late June, evening.
This is the first time the Orioles have visited Wrigley Field and there were a surprisingly large number of orange-clad Orioles fans in attendance. They were readily apparent not only for their bright-colored shirts, but they took part in what is a Baltimore tradition -- during the National Anthem, when the phrase near the end "Oh say does that star-spangled banner yet wave" is sung, they yell, very loudly, "O!" when "Oh" is sung. It was louder than you might have expected, mostly from the left field corner; the crowd last night, 41,537, was the sixth-largest crowd of the year.
That, and some pre-game discussion of the upcoming Peoria Chiefs game at Wrigley Field (to which, I learned from BCB reader BartlettBob, who sat with us last night, you cannot buy bleacher tickets at the box office -- only online), prompted me to go on an expedition to find out what the real seating capacity of Wrigley Field is. I remembered, years ago, there used to be posted signs, required by the Chicago Fire Department, of how many seats are in each area of the ballpark, including the bleachers. I figured if I added them all up, I could get pretty close, because there are so many different numbers online as to the current capacity. The Cubs website says 41,160, but that's been the same since last year; they haven't, it seems, added the 70 CBOE seats to that total. ESPN.com has -- sort of. They say 41,210. Ballparks.com, a pretty good authority, says 41,118.
So what do the official "ballpark figures" say? What they say is, the fire department and the Cubs have to get together and make a new sign. There's only one sign, now posted near the Cubs administrative office entrance. It's dated July 29, 2004 -- that's just about when the city came in to inspect, in connection with the falling concrete found earlier that month. The sign says the "fixed seating" capacity is 38,548 with "fixed seting including standing room" (yes, it's misspelled "seting") as 39,075.
Hey, Cubs: those numbers aren't even close to being right -- they don't include several of the premium seating sections nor the bleacher expansion. How about an accurate count?
Anyway, onward. The Cubs lost at home. It hadn't happened in five weeks. It was bound to happen sometime. We'll get 'em tonight. Final question for all of you: I noticed a third overflow thread was posted. Do you all think I need to post three overflow threads?
Jim Edmonds' HR in the 7th brings the Cubs back to within 7-4
Orioles submariner Chad Bradford pitching to Derrek Lee in the 8th; his hand nearly touches the ground when he throws.
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First?
Yes to the 3rd overflow
Nobody cares about your fantasy league team
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 25, 2008 8:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What say the rest of you?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 25, 2008 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll post a poll.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 25, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about adding a pregame thread instead?
The initial game thread is often pretty full before the game even starts.
by simonuk on Jun 25, 2008 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jun 25, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That gets my vote.
Post the actual game thread about five minutes to start time.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that thread IS kind of a pre-game thread...
... because I’ve been having the first overflow post near the start of game time.
I’ll keep an eye on the poll.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 25, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that would work better....
+1
Nobody cares about your fantasy league team
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 25, 2008 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok - while I was writing my treatise (see way father below)...
...Simon and others were succinctly posting similar thoughts. Put me down for a most definite “Word” on this.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 25, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent idea.
I was going to say that the original game thread is posted pretty early some times and by game time has so many posts it gets pretty slow before the first overflow comes up.
by sue369 on Jun 25, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted yes.
Anything to ease the inevitable slowdowns.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Either a pregame or additional game thread works for me.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 25, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'll get the extra thread tonight.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 25, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bench
All of a sudden, with ReedJ on the DL and the demotion of Hoff, I think our bench has become weaker.
Sure, it’s nice to get DWard back (as long as he hits like last year, and not this year so far), but with Murton, Cedeno, Fontenot, and Blanco….I’m all of a sudden concerned about our pinch-hitting/double switch capabilities. None of those guys have been hitting lately.
These injuries lately have really sucked. :)
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by carmen_fanzone on Jun 25, 2008 8:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, sure.
Injuries deplete your bench. Every team has the injuries.
Point is, we’re struggling through the injuries (one to a key player) and finding ways to win. Remember, it could be Neifi out there.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Jose Macias.
Or Tony Womack. Or Enrique Wilson. Or Rey Ordonez. Or John Mabry.
Ugh. Now I have to wash the keyboard off.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 25, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just cos of typing those names
or the projectile vomit that resulted?
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
It seems bad, but it’s not as bad as some teams, especially some former Cubs teams.
Some teams would really like a bench with two middle infielders who can hit a little.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hoffpauir demotion doesn't hurt the bench at all
what we were really hurt by last night was not having a good RH PH – Reed Johnson would have been nice – but even nicer would have been if Alfonso Soriano was hitting first and Dome 2nd. If Soriano was up in that situation…
by DGU on Jun 25, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree on the RH PH but....
sending a guy down that’s hitting .400 doesn’t hurt at all? A guy that’s hitting 12-27 when he starts a game? I realize I may be only one of a few Hoff supporters, but come on.
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by carmen_fanzone on Jun 25, 2008 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hoff supporter here
That doesn’t look right…but I’d rather have him than Matty Murton.
by Spydey on Jun 25, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do hoff supporters chafe?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it ok to wear them before Labor Day?
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 25, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disappointing loss on three ugly K's
but all you can do is get up, dust yourself off, and start a brand spankin’ new streak today. The Cubs have shown resiliancy all season, and the O’s still gotta play in our house. The series ain’t up yet.
Go Cubs.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 8:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Reminds me of Lloyd and Harry in Dumb and Dumber....
...”we’re in a hole and we just have pull ourselves out of it.”
I'm a good speller, but my typing creates a SERIOUS vacuum. (especially while I'm at work sticking it to the man)
by cubfever7 on Jun 25, 2008 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's been far too long since I've watched that movie.
“If she’s the kind of girl I think she is, she’ll invite us right in for tea and strumpets.”
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or.....
“Nice hooters you have there….....the owls.”
I'm a good speller, but my typing creates a SERIOUS vacuum. (especially while I'm at work sticking it to the man)
by cubfever7 on Jun 25, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those your skiis? Both of 'em?
This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
by HectorVillanueva on Jun 25, 2008 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
preced by..."skis huh?--they yours?"
a great line
I'm a good speller, but my typing creates a SERIOUS vacuum. (especially while I'm at work sticking it to the man)
by cubfever7 on Jun 25, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Just go, man, go."
“Ooooh, that’s warm.”
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al, got to echo your comment about Lee from a few days ago
I’m also worried. He doesn’t seem to be going to RF as much as he used to with runners on base, and he has hit into an alarming amount of double plays. Both times last night with runners on, he hit weak grounders to the left side—one was a DP, the other should have been.
I know he’s on pace to drive in more than 100, and it’s hard to find fault with that. But it just seems lately, with runners on, he’s not been himself.
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 25, 2008 8:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Had to watch the game on Dish DVR late last night est.
Was there any talk on the threads to have Ronnie C. lay down a bunt ??? in the 9th.
seems you might have given up a out for a run and put more pressure on Sherrill with only a one run margin.
The song says 2 out of 3 aint bad, 14 out of 15 is great !!!
I bleed double blue Cubbies & NY Rangers
by parrotinct on Jun 25, 2008 9:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
With the bases loaded, anything less than a perfect bunt is a force at home
and quite possibly a double play.
Swinging away was the only call, but with the caveat to swing at strikes.
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 25, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a certain sense, you wonder if they should have sent Blanco up there then
and told him to keep the bat on his shoulder.
by DGU on Jun 25, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Start a new streak tonight!
And despite it all they were still in it at the end of the game. No one thought the streak was going to last the rest of the season. The Cubbies are now 32-9 at home this season! If they have anything even close to that type of home record the rest of the season, we’ll be doing A-OK to say the least.
Let’s get those O’s tonight.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel
by Blue W on Jun 25, 2008 9:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The thing about the loss hurting
was because we came back and had a shot to win. If things continued and we lost 7-1 we’re bummed but not really heartbroken. To come back with a three-run shot then bases loaded in the ninth and losing on three straight UGLY strikeouts is what takes the wind out of you.
But, yes, we’ll get those birds tonight.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cedeno
Hopefully his horrific at bat in the ninth will end the doubt as to who is our SS.
That was really pathetic
Can’t win em all though
by plenz on Jun 25, 2008 9:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm also hoping that Fukudome's horrific AB will end doubt as to who our RF should be.
Free Micah Hoffpauir!
by DGU on Jun 25, 2008 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen more pitches in the last week than Cedeno has.
We can’t expect him to be good at pinch hitting…he’s not a pinch hitter.
He needs a start or two.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last night hinged on two plays...
Cedeno’s at bat in the 9th. Earlier EPat’s error on the ball in shallow left center. Cedeno went down just like in the past, swinging at balls out of the strike zone. We needed a fly ball, he needed to make contact. Oh… well- Theriot had that ball, and sure it is the purview of the OF’er to call off an infielder. However, not in that particular case last night, running in at the last second, when Theriot is under it. Not good. All in all though, they lost, but showed Cubbie pluck to get back into it. They’ll start another winning streak tonight.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 9:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
Fukudome’s AB was just as bad. The last pitch he swung at was at least a foot outside.
by rlpete on Jun 25, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that Cedeno's AB was an absolute rally killer...
...but I also can’t deny that Dome’s AB really swung the momentum in Sherrill’s favor. Kosuke seemed a little “wired up” last night. He appeared to have really exagerrated reactions to the chin music being thrown his way. (Of course, that’s easy for me to say. I wasn’t the one having 95+ mph pitches thrown at me.)
I guess it’s something to keep an eye on. I still have a pretty substantial amount of faith that Dome is smart enough to adjust to the “bust-him-inside-then-throw-him-sliders-low-and-away” strategy that opposing pitchers have been using on him.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMO
Dome was forced to swing at those consecutive sliders by a bad strike call on the outside corner on the fastball that preceded the two sliders. I didn’t think that fastball was a strike, but Sherrill got the call and the sliders were initially right on the same line. Dome had to swing at those.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jun 25, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dome's at bat
anyone else noticing a pattern emerging… It seems they’re going at him with a first pitch strike or inside pitch, getting him into 1-2 counts then pouring on sliders low and away. Considering his spin swing towards right, there’s no way he can get to tose pitches.
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on Jun 25, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It does seem to be happening a bit more frequently
and it doesn’t help when Dome swings at pitches that are a foot outside. It makes the problem even more evident. It looks like it is a bit of adjustment by some teams to him. He needs to adjust in return.
by rlpete on Jun 25, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It should also be noted...
...that the O’s had ‘buzzed his tower’ twice before he had that weak strikeout swing. Two instances of chasing him out of the box with a high and tight fastball, as well as getting plunked hard on the elbow by Sox pitching on Sunday night…it’s no wonder that he wasn’t diving out over the plate on a sweeping slider from a hard-throwing left-handed closer…
by Shawon O Meter on Jun 25, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A moment of silence please.
Let’s all take a moment to recognize that we have now watched the entire ML career of one Micah Hoffpauir. It was fun while it lasted and because he had such a nice string of luck, he will forever have a handful of fans saying, “If only he really got a shot!”
by DGU on Jun 25, 2008 9:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You haven't seen his entire career.
Lou likes him. He’ll be back in September.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 25, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
DGU – I realize you don’t care for the guy as a player, and I agree he’s surely been playing over his head at the plate in his brief time in the MLB. But he is absolutely going to get another trip up to the big leagues, if for no other reason than that the rosters will expand in September.
by SouthernCub on Jun 25, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'll be back....roster expansion.
Why wouldn’t he? Jeez.
Nobody cares about your fantasy league team
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 25, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although the 9th was frustrating with the three Ks last night...
...one of the many things I love about this team is that they didn’t quit!
How many teams would have just packed it in down7-1? Quite a few in my estimation….
This team is in just about every game and that will get you quite a few W’s in the end.
by JB 23 on Jun 25, 2008 9:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree about them not quitting!
I remember years past when a ball was dropped or the score became 7-1 it usually ended 12-1 with the Cubs going down looking bad. Even when this team makes mistakes they comeback from it instead of getting blown out. Yeah, the three K’s was frustrating but they went down fighting and made it close at the end. It is a lot better than getting blown out like in the past. They don’t ever quit and that is one of the many things I love about this Cubs team!
"My favorite umpire is a dead one."
-Johnny Evers
by MiCubsFan on Jun 25, 2008 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The other bonus...
...that comes from not quitting is that we caused two of their relievers to throw 30+ pitches over 1.1 innings last night. Might come into play in games 2 & 3…
by Shawon O Meter on Jun 25, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get Smart movie
Don’t go to it expecting it to be anything like the show other than character names. Beyond that, it’s nothing like the show.
Still funny. But not in the same way at all.
by Arbusto on Jun 25, 2008 9:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Because the old show played on
gender stereotypes and counter-culture cliches; this version just doesn’t get it.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you're saying
the movie needs to get smart?
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll probably go see it anyway...
... just because I like Steve Carell.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 25, 2008 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same.
Can’t say enough good things about Little Miss Sunshine.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
great great movie
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 25, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 25, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the best Alan Arkin performances.
Great stuff!
by Tangled Up In Blue on Jun 25, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see him on the Daily Show the other night?
If not, here’s the full episode.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was phenomenal.
Love seeing people genuinely lose it like Steve did.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I miss "EvenStephen"
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ironically, yes.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But only
if you worked for the entertainment section of a bad newspaper.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
The whole premise of the show-WHY THE SHOW WAS ACTUALLY FUNNY-was not a part of the movie’s characters. The TV show was one of my favorites growing up. And it was because the plot always went:
1. Maxwell does something stupid.
2. Agent 99 bailed him out without Maxwell knowing.
3. Maxwell claims credit, even though everyone knows Agent 99 was the hero.
They tried to make the movie really new-agey and feminism friendly, but they actually did the opposite: Agent 99 never really was the heroine.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
He’s not supposed to be smart at all. He’s supposed to be bumbling and lucky.
In the movie, he’s very smart just new.
I do enjoy Carrell and he did nail the part (minus the parts where he channels Michael Scott and 40 Year Old Virgin).
by Arbusto on Jun 25, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Lou overmanaged last night.
Murton PH for Edmonds.
Cedeno in the most crucial contact AB of the game.
Blanco PH for Patterson.
I mean, Edmonds got the game back into reach the previous at bat. I don’t care if the pitcher is throwing with BOTH hands…leave that guy in.
The problem isn’t our bench depth in light of our injuries. The problem is the onus we’re putting on our bench when the original player might be a better option.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 9:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Funny enough, earlier in the game Len was mentioning Lou’s replacement for Fontenot on Saturday after he hit the homerun, and when Lou was asked about it he claimed it was a “senior moment.” Maybe that’s what happened last night, but I would’ve much preferred Edmonds and Patterson to hit since they’re relatively hot at the moment.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
Edmonds and Patterson most likely would have got the job done too. I still don’t understand that move. I actually think that Lou has overmanaged in all of the AL matchups, even the ones we won.
by adam316 on Jun 25, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also agree on the Murton for Edmonds...
if I recall, Edmond’s 2nd HR agains the Sox a couple days ago was agaisnt a lefty—he’s in a huge groove hitting outside pitches the other way…I leave him in and screw the %’s.
I'm a good speller, but my typing creates a SERIOUS vacuum. (especially while I'm at work sticking it to the man)
by cubfever7 on Jun 25, 2008 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
May I say something about Jim Edmonds.....
I’m mostly a Cardinal fan, and a little piece of me smiles and dies at the same time watching him play for you all…....You may recall he was a star for us…..
Just enjoy him, enjoy his run, and doesn’t he have a pretty home run swing anyway….......Mostly I’m glad the man has been given a chance to play again, and he clearly has something left to offer. And Lou should have went with him instead of a pinch hitter—facing a lefty or not, he would have had a good at bat….go with the experience in that circumstance…..
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Jun 25, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A view from the other side of the tracks. :D
I live in St Louis and have been very aware of Edmonds’ abilities. Thus far he’s been a bloody steal for us.
And if part of you dies watching Edmonds hit dingers for us, imagine those poor Padre fans. They’ve gotta be wondering where the hell this was at the start of the season.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
while they $$$hell out for him with no return
I'm a good speller, but my typing creates a SERIOUS vacuum. (especially while I'm at work sticking it to the man)
by cubfever7 on Jun 25, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Your wife's cheating on you. With me.
And you’re paying for dinner. Thanks.”
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"and then I'm taking your mother out for a nice seafood dinner....
......and I’m never calling her again!!”
I'm a good speller, but my typing creates a SERIOUS vacuum. (especially while I'm at work sticking it to the man)
by cubfever7 on Jun 25, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice of you to drop in jillsinmo....
I think we all appreciate insightful level comments from fans of all teams….don’t we guys?
I'm a good speller, but my typing creates a SERIOUS vacuum. (especially while I'm at work sticking it to the man)
by cubfever7 on Jun 25, 2008 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you.....
I’m one of those folks that enjoy a rivalry, but may the best man, er…team, win. I have more “anger” towards the Brewers and their ability to grow home run hitters at will…..not fair.
Ha! I guess the joke is on the Padres-they are paying for this, with real money!
When you fall for a particular player, it’s hard to turn it off anyway….what are you gonna do? Go Jim Edmonds…...
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Jun 25, 2008 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Allow me to take this opportunity...
...to proclaim openly that I have submitted my application and membership dues for the Jim Edmonds Fan Club. To wit, I hereby accept him as a valuable member of the 2008 Chicago Cubs. There, I said it. Hey, can I get one of those muffins?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get that man a muffin!
Post Haste…
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait...
there’s muffins? Figures.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 25, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Edmonds and Ramirez are having such good at-bats lately, I like either of them at the plate in the most crucial situations.
"Give 'im the heater!" -Lou Brown
by Goodie1969 on Jun 25, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the time....
I was surprised he made these moves, but I had to reflect about who am I? I’m just a fan, he’s the manager that has led these guys to the best record in baseball. If someone is coming off a hot at-bat why not leave them in is my reasoning. But, I’ve felt that way before and Lou’s moves proved to right at those times unlike last night. So, last night they didn’t work out…. What we view as overmanaging last night could prove to be a stroke of genius tonight.. :)
"My favorite umpire is a dead one."
-Johnny Evers
by MiCubsFan on Jun 25, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True.
We’re all armchair managers, and while we have every right to second guess all day long, Lou maybe saw something we didn’t, and I know he knows things we don’t.
Bottom line: he took a chance last night and it didn’t pay off. Play again the next day. That’s baseball.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh right.
You’re absolutely right. Not condeming Lou, jumping off a ledge or proposing I replace him.
Just sayin’...lots of moves last night, none of ‘em worked, I would have preferred less moves. Let’s get ‘em tonight.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought so too
...I don’t tend to evaluate Lou’s moves a ton, because they work out more often than MY moves would! BUT, with the game on the line, do you want the key at bat in the hands of Edmonds or Murton? Gimme all the stats you want, but I cringed when MM came up. He battled at least…Cedeno has been money w/ the bases loaded so that was ok but UGH what an at-bat!!!
""At the end of the day, boys, you don't tell me how rough the water is, you bring in the ship." -- Steve Stone
by kentmeister on Jun 25, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You wonder if...
Lou doesn’t OVER manage early in seasons to give everyone a chance to grip onto an identity…like Cedeno/Blanco thinking he’s the guy who comes in late with a big hit, etc. Then, he plays off of those identities late in the season.
I realize every game matters equally, but you know more about your players late in the year and you can make better decisions.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I posted this on the "Choice of Pinch Hitters?" fanpost up right now...
...but I’ll say it again: I thought Matt Murton put together a decent AB against Sherrill last night. Obviously it wasn’t a successful one, but he came back from an 0-2 count to work the count full and he drove the ball to left field. I fully recognize the holes in Matt’s game, but I think he deserves some credit for a good effort. And I didn’t/don’t have a problem with Lou using him as a pinch hitter against LHP.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh.
Murton’s swing looks like an unfolded lawn chair right now.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I'd have to watch the AB again...
...but I thought he hung in there rather admirably against a very tough LHP. Then again, maybe my opinion is being swayed by my utter joy in seeing Murt hit a ball out of (and above) the infield.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hung in there
but he gets awarded zero style points. His swing looks really bad.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hung in
but I would disagree that he drove it to LF. It was more of an easy fly ball to LF.
by rlpete on Jun 25, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Extra Innings
I always get concerned with his moves when he doesn’t leave any bench for a possible extra inning game. If we tie, we’re out of position players. I just get worried that we’re going to be at a key at-bat in the 10th or 11th (or later) and we’ve got to trot Jason Marquis (with Silver Slugger Zambrano on the DL) or the current pitcher up to the plate.
by BrownE34 on Jun 25, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is EXACTLY what I said last night
as soon as they went to the lefty, I knew Lou was taking Edmonds out. right now, he’s a much better option than Murton. especially in that big spot. not a good move.
by Spydey on Jun 25, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still am disappointed a little
Bases loaded, no outs, and Cedeno, Fukudome, and Blanco cannot get it done. I mean if there is no other situation where we need somebody to come through, that was the one. This team is impressive this year, and in that situation it was almost expected that they would at least tie the game up. All three of them swung at bad pitches, and Dome could have probably at least walked in a run having been more patient. It seems that they were pressing too much in that situation because they knew that if nobody scored, it would be a disappointment. In stressful situations, I want to see these guys relax and come through, not totally fail, otherwise we could end up with playoff results similar to last year.
by adam316 on Jun 25, 2008 9:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You can't always come from behind
This team has shown a penchant for playing come from behind baseball but if you depend upon it once in awhile it will bite you in your butt. We have to get in front and stay there. Put less pressure on the pitchers and the offense. Come the playoffs come from behind will become stay behind.
"In football the object is for the quarterback, also known as the
field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the
defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the
blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and
long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this
aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in
the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
"In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! - I hope I'll
be safe at home!"
by bubbamike the one and only on Jun 25, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sean Marshall
So, there I was in the fourth inning, excited about Sean Marshall’s pitching, and he loses it again. It’s still too soon to judge (hopefully he can improve next start), but if Marshall can’t get through lineups twice, he’s going to end up a very good ‘pen option for us instead of a good starter.
by DGU on Jun 25, 2008 9:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Relief
Seems to be where he belongs. He threw 3 excellent innings to start off the game, but he obviously had trouble getting much further than that. I am like you though, until the 4th I thought he was on fire.
by adam316 on Jun 25, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Middle reliever?
If he can solidly pitch three innings on a regular basis that might be a good place for him.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that Marshall and Lieber
could really strengthen the ‘pen by being guys who go 2-3 innings regularly. Having both be able to do that woulld allow Lou to send them out for those long outings without worrying about then needing to rest them and being without them in the next couple games. The key would be to avoid the temptation to pull Marshall against RH batters, although I’d understand making him just a LOOGY. Last year RHP hit .280/.338/.443 off of him.
by DGU on Jun 25, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LSA
Lou has one long reliever (Lieber) and could have two, but he doesn’t seem to like using relievers that way.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 25, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we had two long relievers and they were used as long relievers
we could probably get away with carrying 11 pitchers and avoid being in a situation where Henry Blanco is batting in a key spot.
by DGU on Jun 25, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I was thinking.
But Lou would have to be willing to use them as such. We could be wrong, but it seems like he likes playing individual matchups and anytime he sees a wee bit of trouble he reaches for his Marmol-brand Security Blanket.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Galagar wasnt at the top of our lst either when he first came up.
Second start he got better.
Defence didnt play well behind Marshall either. Dome mis played asingle into a triple.
by cubbierc on Jun 25, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hope this doesn't get lost - but not worthy of a fanpost
Speaking of the Peoria Chiefs game to be played at Wrigley, now I’m seeing the ads for kids being allowed to run the bases after the game. I bought bleacher tickets for that game (haven’t had a chance to sit out there since the reconstruction), so I’m kind of concerned that bleacher fans will be excluded from that promotion because they have no field access – obviously I don’t want my son to miss out on that incredible opportunity. Does anyone have any info on whether or not fans from the bleachers will be allowed to participate? If not, anyone know who I could call – Chiefs or Cubs?
This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
by HectorVillanueva on Jun 25, 2008 9:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Try the Chiefs first, then the Cubs.
Prediction: both will tell you they never thought of that.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 25, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
I have a feeling I’m going to have to raise holy heck to get them to do a ticket exchange for me.
This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
by HectorVillanueva on Jun 25, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Instead...
... why not raise holy heck to make sure bleacher fans are included? It wouldn’t be that hard for them to let you walk through the stands to get there when the game is over.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 25, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy Heck will be raised.
This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
by HectorVillanueva on Jun 25, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let us know what you find out.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 25, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Additionally,
There is field access in the lf corner downstairs. Through the old clubhouse door. I acted ‘confused and lost’ one day a few years ago as we were leaving and walked out on the field through there. They politely guided me to the exit.
by BartlettBob on Jun 25, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you have questions about this game
email howardy@peoriachiefs.com” >Howard Yates. He is the director of guest operations (and a good friend of mine) and should be able to clear up any questions you have.
by lswaidz on Jun 25, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We really miss Soriano
Last night showed it. Soriano would have come to bat with one out against a LHP, and most likley have gotten a better AB just by being a righty.
Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs
by nji232 on Jun 25, 2008 9:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
not to mention he wouldn't have tried to catch popup earler in the game
Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs
by nji232 on Jun 25, 2008 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, too true.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nature (and apparently BCB) abhors a vacuum...
Yep, it would appear we need a third overflow, but I think it’s safe to say that soon after that, people would be clamoring for a fourth, and then a fifth, etc. Or to put it in baseball terms… if you build it, people will post… ;-)
Maybe instead of just adding a third overflow, we rethink the timing. Seems like the first game thread – especially for a night game – gets so filled up by the time the game actually starts, it’s already crawling along at the pace of a Blanco triple. Al, it would appear the overflow threads get added based on time, so how about this…
Post your Open Thread as usual only call it “Pre-Game” thread instead. Hell, maybe get a sponsor for it! “Welcome to the Big Gulp Pre-Game Thread…” ;-)
Have another thread set to post at when the game actually starts, i.e. 1:20, 2:55, 7:05, etc.. Or maybe five minutes before to synch up with Pat & Ron – call it the “Cubs Baseball is on the Air!” game thread…
Then set up overflow thread(s) to post as you’ve done in the past – I’d start with just one at about the 90 minute mark. If after a few games it’s apparent we need more, then post two – the first at 60 minutes, the second at 120 minutes.
Finally, going under the assumption a game lasts about 3 hours, set up a final overflow thread to post at the 3 hour mark. Call it the “Last!” post game thread. Or if you’re really optimistic, call it the “Go Cubs Go!” post game thread. This should satisfy all the celebrators and/or ledge-jumpers until you get a chance to post your recap.
Picking apart my own idea, I can see that this doesn’t account for rain delays and/or 14 inning games with the Pirates. Also, having this many threads might be a bit confusing to this crowd at first. Some of us tend to react a bit differently under the pressures of a real game situation… ;-)
But I think the basic premise (separating out a pre and post game thread) is sound and would work out better in the long run. Thoughts?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 25, 2008 9:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is a good idea.
I’ll work on this today.
Incidentally, you didn’t have a very good BP session out on Waveland, did you.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 25, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope, not at all. Too many "senior moments"
Around 20 came out between both teams and I got skunked. Couldn’t pick them up out of the sky for the life of me. The few that I did see good enough and was camped under, fans up on the top row of bleachers and/or on the walkway made some great catches to keep the balls in the park.
Eh… these things happen, right? All I can do is come out again tonight and keep trying. A few more games like that though, and I may get sent down to Iowa… ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 25, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And then Josh77 will be posting updates on how ballhawk has clearly lost the command he formerly had.
And I’ll read those Minor League Wraps and offer up a sigh for who you used to be.
All kidding aside, maybe you need a graceful slumpbuster?
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jun 25, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well done, sir.
A thought-out idea AND humorous? Me likey.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good points ballhawk
...I think one of the biggest X’s factors that slows the game threads is large photos…
Most are very good about it, but there still are some who post ones with large resolutions and that really slows the thread down and that is always hard to control…
by JB 23 on Jun 25, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing you can do, if you use Firefox
is right clock on the image, adblock it, then refresh your browser.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have asked people NOT to do that in the game threads.
If that keeps up I may have to ban picture posting and I really don’t want to do that.
Please—large photos really slow down the game threads. Restrain yourself.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 25, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LSA -- fine ideas one and all.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The winning streak is over
but here’s something else.
The last time the Cubs lost a home series was when the Brewers beat the Cubs on May 1st to take 2 out of 3 in the April 29 – May 1 series.
That’s a stretch of 7 straight series wins at home.
That dropped the Cubs to 11-6 at home. Since that game they have gone 21-3 at home.
---AC 00 00 00 - Believe
by mjk83 on Jun 25, 2008 9:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wuertz and Murton
belong in Des Moines until further notice.
by Itchy on Jun 25, 2008 9:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why Wuertz?
A fielding gaffe like the one he had would derail most.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree...he hung in there pretty well after that.
...I think he should be pitching more actually
by JB 23 on Jun 25, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give my "should be pitching more" award to...
Jon Lieber.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's been terrible
usually walks the first guy he faces, gives up a ringing double, gets taken out. I know his era isn’t that bad but last year he’d keep the ball down and strike guys out, not so this year. Lieber needs to pitch more and should’ve been in on Sat.
by Itchy on Jun 25, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wuertz has 32 appearances this year.
Has walks in only 12 of those games. I’m not going to comb through those 12 games, but I’m betting those walks didn’t occur in the first AB every time.
I realize you’re being hyperbolic, but you’re just wrong. He’s a boon to this club, and will continue to be. We can’t have 7 Marmols in our bullpen. For what he is, a non-setup middle reliever, he’s darn good.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He stinks this year
Throw whatever stat you want out there but I’ve watched just about every innning this year and he is not pitching aything like last year.
by Itchy on Jun 25, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been watching too...
(Thank the DirecTV gods)
I think he’s been just fine for what he is. The Brewers have Guillermo Mota filling his role in their bullpen. The Mets have someone named Joe Smith. D’Backs: Juan Cruz or Edgar Gonzalez. It could be MUCH worse.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give me Mota or Cruz
and you can have Wuertz!
by Itchy on Jun 25, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see. You've watched every game...
...and obviously have a photographic memory. Let’s not allow facts to get in the way.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So he's pitching great
He’s put in to get us through one inning, fails. He’s put in to get one hitter, fails. Lou brings him in in specific situations and this year, he’s failed. Ok?
by Itchy on Jun 25, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How'd he fail?
If anything, blame E-Patt dropping the ball.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just overall, not specifically
last night
by Itchy on Jun 25, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok.
Still think you’re wrong.
Not sure we’re gonna get anywhere on this…so…
Go Cubs.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The perfect end to any argument.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only when coupled with
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drink Local!
(G. Heileman Brewing Company, Milwaukee, WI)
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's really cool!
They sell those all around Chicago, or just Wrigleyville?
I still have an old Pepsi can with Wrigley on it, and I had a Coke can celebrating back-to-back wins for the Bulls but that’s been lost to time.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thos were from two years ago, IIRC.
The talls for this year are all-blue with gold pinstripes.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a few
I solemnly swear I am not the seller
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheers,
but the empty beer can is missing the best part.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
only in South Elgin
you collect cans, they collect beer
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on Jun 25, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see. So he's failed in every appearance this season.
Wow, you’re right. DFA is ass.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Being a non-setup middle reliever is HARD.
You’re only going to get used if you’re up big or the starter got hit around. It’s more likely you’ll be used in the latter scenario.
So, here’s what you get: a inning or so against a really confident ballclub. Good luck.
He’s really really good at what he does, let’s not compare him to Marmol or even Howry. He’s not. If we had a bullpen full of Marmols or Woods, we’d be playing in “Wrigley Field at Citibank Park brought to you by Old Style in the City of Chicago: home of Motorola” to pay for the darn team.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, that's why
when he becomes ineffective, it’s time to try other, similar guys from within the organization.
by Itchy on Jun 25, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Care to name names?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His ERA is good because once he gives up a hit or two,
Lou is generally quick to give him the hook and bring in someone like Marmol to strand the inherited runners. Wuertz is an ideal example of why ERA is a pretty worthless stat for relievers.
That said, giving him away on waivers by trying to send him to Iowa would be dumb, and we don’t really have any viable option to replace him with at the moment anyway.
by ohboy on Jun 25, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ERA's not the best stat for a reliever
but you do know that Michael Wuertz has the best ERA on the whole team? Wuertz should have great trade value for us, but not if we demote him.
by DGU on Jun 25, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah right
Just like the trade value of Murton, zero.
by Itchy on Jun 25, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade value
Murton’s value is low, but not zero. Wuertz’ value should be fairly high given the dearth of relievers available. Someone, somewhere should look at the sparkly ERA the history of good #s the last couple of years and be willing to give us something for him (should we choose to move him).
by DGU on Jun 25, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All we could get
is another middle reliever or utility infielder.
by Itchy on Jun 25, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weren't the Tigers inquiring about him at one time?
I thought I read that somewhere.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 25, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
but they just got back Zumaya and Rodney’s on his way, I think. There will be lots of teams that will be interested in a youngish, cheap reliever with an ERA below 3.00.
by DGU on Jun 25, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are both back
Neither has looked very good so far
by madeindetroit on Jun 25, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
I’m a Tigers fan too and these guys have been very rusty, to put it politely. Although I’ve never liked Rodney even back in 2006!
by CaliCub on Jun 25, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maddening
That is how I describe Rodney…hopefully Zumaya gets his control back.
by madeindetroit on Jun 25, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And T. Jones Ain't Good
Leyland must go through a whole pack of Marlboros every time they have a lead in the 9th.
by CaliCub on Jun 25, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope the league didn't notice
How a few earlier inside pitches to Kosuke apparently rattled him. I guess that’s what it was. On that last at-bat he was bailing like Capt Jack Sparrow in a leaky longboat. So out of character to see him have a terrible plate appearance…
""At the end of the day, boys, you don't tell me how rough the water is, you bring in the ship." -- Steve Stone
by kentmeister on Jun 25, 2008 9:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily agreeing with you.
Don’t think he got rattled, just think he was in protect mode.
However…anyone else notice Fukudome is becoming a little more of a showman? He seems to embellish a lot of inside pitches, and I thought he showed the ump up a little on a called strike late in the game (high breaking ball). He’s doing this more and more…wondering if he has a reputation for being a showman in Japan?
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you talking about
how he’ll stand straight after a call he didn’t particularly like? If so, I think he’s pretty much done that all season.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah.
He did it for a REALLY long time last night though. Maybe I’m just now catching on.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No idea if he did that in Japan.
It always looks to me like he’s recouping, and possibly taking signs from Quade.
As far as it getting him in trouble, I would assume that as long as he keeps his mouth closed and/or restrains from evil glances at the ump he’s fine. He’s probably frustrated in himself more than anything.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he protects by...
swinging late on those marginal pitches and fouling them off and does it amazingly well. He wasn’t in the same zip code for that last strike though.
And I agree, it seemed a bit much running halfway to first base on the tight pitches. But then again I never faced major league pitching…
""At the end of the day, boys, you don't tell me how rough the water is, you bring in the ship." -- Steve Stone
by kentmeister on Jun 25, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a video of Kosuke in Japan REALLY losing it on a call..
if I remember, it actually made Z look nearly tame….it was on a ball and strike
I'm a good speller, but my typing creates a SERIOUS vacuum. (especially while I'm at work sticking it to the man)
by cubfever7 on Jun 25, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think most of us have seen that video.
It’s the only time he did that in Japan—and the umpire was clearly wrong in his call.
I don’t think that’s any indication of his character.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 25, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, dragonsfanatic has confirmed this.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't either--he's shown nothing but class since arriving..
..i mention it because some folks said he appears to be loosening up and for some reason I thought that implosion was not that widely known about—but apparently it is!
Personally-he has my permission to marry my daughter-current betrothal (is that a word?) notwithstanding.
I'm a good speller, but my typing creates a SERIOUS vacuum. (especially while I'm at work sticking it to the man)
by cubfever7 on Jun 25, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me?
Or did he not look somewhat lost in the field last night as well?
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 25, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not lost, but
he misplayed a couple of balls pretty badly, one of which cost the Cubs at least one run, if not two. Cub defense on the whole was bad last night.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which non-Cub pitcher is the most fun to watch for you?
I have to say that I really get a kick out of watching Chad Bradford, every time.
by DGU on Jun 25, 2008 9:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Chad Bradford
makes my head spin every time. I can not fathom how a human being can contort their body like that and still throw strikes. I think of the John Kruk/Randy Johnson AB everytime I see him, because if I had to hit against that, I think I’d stand in the on deck circle and hope for four straight balls.
This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
by HectorVillanueva on Jun 25, 2008 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradford
My girlfriend and I were at the game last night and she turned to me after Bradford’s warmup pitches and asked “Is he kidding? Does he really throw like that?”
It is something to behold. I don’t know how he keeps from falling over.
by Tangled Up In Blue on Jun 25, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the old Nintendo games
had a pitcher like that my brother liked to use and it would frustrate me to no end. I was usually down on three straight.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
RBI baseball on NES
Bret Saberhagen. Untouchable.
Great RBI site for those interested…these guys have way too much time on their hands.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheers!
I’m thinking the game was actually coded to make him perfect.
There was also Tecmo Bowl, and the Bears had a screenpass play to Payton that was a guaranteed 20-yard+ everytime. My bro and dad used to counter my use of Chicago with the Giants who could block any PAT/field goal.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tecmo Bowl sucked.
Tecmo Super Bowl was awesome. Only two dominate players in TSB—LT and Bo.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tecmo Bowl did suck.
Though I do remember my dad, who never plays games, winning the Super Tecmo Bowl with, I believe, the Niners on an 80-yard field goal.
Yeah, Tecmo Bowl sucked.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs had a pitcher like
Frustrated Batters.
Ted Abernathy
by cubbierc on Jun 25, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Abernathy had a wicked squiggle pitch
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Wicked squiggle pitch"
Damn, how I wish commentators could start using that one….
And Marmol’s sets him down with a wicked squiggler on the corner!
"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young
by Kegler on Jun 25, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Morgan would be so much better if
on a changeup he did the “woooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo” sound from RBI.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's know as the diddly-do
Here it comes…
by Mapmaker on Jun 25, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if he has ever gotten a little dirt from the mound on his knuckles?
Its a pretty amazing delivery…..he is one the Billy Beane finds if I remember my Moneyball correctly
by JB 23 on Jun 25, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradford's story in Moneyball
is my favorite part of that book.
by DGU on Jun 25, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that was him!
Thanks for pointing this out.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mark Grace
Best… pitching… impersonations… ever
by lswaidz on Jun 25, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
edmonds....
can we all agree that signing edmonds has turned out to be a brilliant move by Hendry?
by cubbiefanTN on Jun 25, 2008 10:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
I’m quite glad that ED has something left.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Viva, Jim Edmonds!
ED…tee hee.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You like calling him ED?
Most don’t seem to care for it.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I don't.
Just reminded me of Viagra.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh...
And here I was thinking you making a play on Viva El Birdos.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can I still get credit
If you thought it funny???
(I need all the help I can get, ask my girlfriend.)
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not.
A laugh is a laugh is a laugh.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except for when it's not a laugh, which is never.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jun 25, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the anti-laugh.
The laughter of hate.
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by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
with every HR he hits
the fact that he was a cardinal demishes in my mind….. let’s hope he keeps it up
by cubbiefanTN on Jun 25, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It takes RBIs and run-preventing catches
to purge the remnants of his Cardinal jersey from his skin.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Taking Edmonds was a great move
even if he didn’t work out.
My only regret in the Edmonds move reflects on the management decisions that led up to the Edmonds move. It took Jim Edmonds 130 PA before he showed he had anything in the tank. Felix Pie got half that in less regular playing time. I still think that if Lou had show the kind of confidence in Pie that he showed in Edmonds, and given him regular playing time, we would have a better, faster, CF right now.
I don’t want to start that whole debate again, though. I am glad Edmonds is the way we went.
by DGU on Jun 25, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah,
DGU doesn’t want to start the whole debate again. I agree with him, most of know how we feel about this subject, no sense re-hashing it.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Jimmy.
The only reason I mentioned it is the larger point – that very good players can be very bad. For 128 PA, Jim Edmonds hit .167/.244/.211. For 130 PA (from May 13 – June 13), Derrek Lee hit .223/.262/.380. If guys, All-Stars, like that can look so bad, how can we judge prospects who are getting their first taste of the majors on 70 PA? It’s not Pie that I want to rehash; rather, I’d look at the same kind of decision making which has gone into the decision of who gets the bulk of Soriano’s playing time. Patterson hits a HR and suddenly he’s the man. I like Patterson, but I’m not sure he’s the best option on roster.
by DGU on Jun 25, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure he's the best option either.
Of what we have, who do you think at this time is the best option. Given that Pie & RJ are hurt? If Murt could hit for at least a little power, ( a HR here or there, a few doubles), he would be the man methinks…
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd tell Murton not to worry about power
and to do his best RH Dome impersonation – just get on base and working the count and getting on base. Murton can do that. I think his struggles have come from trying too much for power. With all the run production this lineup has, just getting on base keeps the lineup rolling.
by DGU on Jun 25, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Up until now...
I would have disagreed with you. During the time that Fonzi is out, we’ll get the power we need elsewhere in the line-up. If Matt can get back to the Matt the Bat he has been in the past, I would have to agree with out. First to third, first to third, first to third; keep the merry-go-round going!
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Murton should be told to look at Kevin Youkilis' career path.
Just keep getting on base and the power will come. (I’m not sure that the power will come for him, but it might, and in the meantime he needs to keep doing what he can do.) Murton’s still just 26. Youkilis’ slugging was never better than Murton’s until he was 29 (this year).
by DGU on Jun 25, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
except that...
edmonds has a proven track record for hitting major league pitching. that’s something Pie has not shown yet…. trust me i’ve been following and routing for Pie for 4 years but he’s just not at the major league level right now.
by cubbiefanTN on Jun 25, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Lou does seem to have more patience with vets than the youngins.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 25, 2008 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou - I guess a Senior moment
Murton for Edmonds you have got to be kidding….. Murton is clearly overmatched by some good MLB pitching….. Edmonds on a hot streak …. forget the percentages.
Cedeno….. what a horrible at bad ….. shades of Korey Pat…. chasing the High Heat.
Forget Pie …........... not gonna happen….we need Sori back…. Edmons in the 5
hole good line up ….... hey its only one game…. I thought Marshall perform well for
his first game back…... Lets start another streak
by nimblenikelfoos on Jun 25, 2008 10:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Big fan of the ellipses, huh?
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Larry King
remains relevant.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jun 25, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Chicago, Illinois...hullo."
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is this, a poetry jam?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Round of snapped-fingers for the man!
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by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excuse me while I whip out my bongos.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pray to God that's not a euphemism.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"wo-man...wo-man.whOOOOAAAA, man!"
“She was a freak…you gotta believe…she stole my heart and my cat….”
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I Married an Axe Murderer ref?
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jun 25, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes!
So glad someone got it…...
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Myers
really reminded me of an old pal in that scene. Not the best movie but it’s a great scene.
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jun 25, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Life on the point is hard.
Not that I watched that show…
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he's
transcribing from ticker tape?
"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young
by Kegler on Jun 25, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be.
Or maybe he meant to send us a telegram:
Murton for Edmonds you have got to be kidding…..STOP…...Murton is clearly overmatched by some good MLB pitching….. STOP…...Edmonds on a hot streak …. STOP…...forget the percentages. Cedeno….. STOP…...what a horrible at bad ….. STOP…...shades of Korey Pat….STOP…... chasing the High Heat. Forget Pie ……........ STOP…...not gonna happen….STOP…...we need Sori back…. STOP…...Edmons in the 5 hole good line up ……. STOP…...hey its only one game…. STOP…...I thought Marshall perform well for his first game back…… STOP…...Lets start another streak…..STOP
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Third Overflow:
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jun 25, 2008 10:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
twss
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Judges?
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, come on!
Third overflow? Followed by a billion “YES
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, I get it now.
/puts on dunce cap. sits in corner.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Commodus sez...
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should have won the Oscar - I'm sorry, but he got screwed.
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jun 25, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is a great actor.....totally underrated IMO
by JB 23 on Jun 25, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
8mm
Yikes…
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by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that movie was really really out there....
by JB 23 on Jun 25, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding.
Though I was a little pulled out of it by thinking, “Tony Soprano is a porn mogul?”
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a ship full of Marines heading to the Middle East,
8MM was the only movie that creeped us out enough to be unofficially banned.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wowza.
Well, I could list a few more if you wanna feel uncomfortable for an extended length of time.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
8MM had SO many great performances...
...totally underrated if you ask me. That said, definitely a difficult pill to swallow.
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jun 25, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give it to him.
(Preemptive TWSS.)
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only if you guys agree to stop posting pictures in game threads.
They are slowing down the threads.
Thanks.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 25, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
SWL, are you reading this?!
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by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We may need digitalbenjamin to light the SWL beacon.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only it was that easy.
“Whenever there’s a photoshopped image needed to punctuate a joke…I’ll be there.”
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks JB
Somehow “Single White Lesbian” seemed out of context.
by CaliCub on Jun 25, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oddly enough...
I happen to BE a Lesbian. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly what I thought
after seeing your screen shots from the CA games.
by N Oakley on Jun 25, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My only regret is..
they didn’t get a good shot of the fabulous shoes I was wearing…they were to DIE FOR.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw them!
http://api.ning.com/files/rxagKE25u0NOzoi7H4-2O-yiMRf4bNIl8PIXsqRs-gtQUvuZncn3Szwhqtgiqk2E8Y3ZgM-fVo6kxOV9Q57Yz3wygII/kellysshoes.jpg”/>
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
d'oh
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No no no...
Leg Warmers as soooooo 1984….try again…I’ll give you one more chance.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're An Actor?
Oh wait…that’s ‘thespian’. :D
by CaliCub on Jun 25, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What part of the isle are you from?
"In football the object is for the quarterback, also known as the
field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the
defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the
blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and
long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this
aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in
the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
"In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! - I hope I'll
be safe at home!"
by bubbamike the one and only on Jun 25, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
santoswoodenlegs
Poster extraordinaire. King of the photoshop. All-around jerk.
:D
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wish I Was An Ump
Guaranteed employment until retirement no matter how much of an assbag I act like on the field. Sign me up!
by CaliCub on Jun 25, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure I haven't posted any...
...images in a game thread for a while, though my impulse control may have failed me here or there. In any case, I’ll double my efforts not to.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been careful to post the pictures from the google preview page
keeps ‘em down around 7-10k, pretty small.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 25, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pics that small are OK.
Other than that, try to restrain yourselves. Thanks.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 25, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al, you may want to define "small"
25 KB? 50 KB? Otherwise, some may think 500 KB is small.
"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."
by flachimesa on Jun 25, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can someone around Wrigley tell me what the weather is like there?
I drove from PA and I’m staying in Coal City and woke up to a thunderstorm. It dried up already but I’m still nervous.
Great comeback last night. Too bad we fell short. I am now on a 6 game losing streak at Wrigley Field.
Al, I think I’m going to stop by tonight. I had front row seats in right last night and didn’t want to pass it up.
Bleeding Cubbie Blue since 1985.
by Bricks and Ivy on Jun 25, 2008 10:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bookmark
This It’s the fancam across the street from Wrigley.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overcast, and a little rain earlier this morning...
but it’s appeared to have stopped. I’m at Navy Pier, a few miles from Wrigley.
by Damen Jackson on Jun 25, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bricks and Ivy
When I left for work this morning, around 8:00am, it was drizzling and chilly. Currently, downtown, it is overcast, but it appears to have stopped raining.
by Tangled Up In Blue on Jun 25, 2008 10:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Forecast is for scattered showers...
... but it looks like it’s clearing out.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 25, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trying Not To Panic
Last night’s tough loss, combined with the Cards and Brew Crew winning AGAIN, had me pretty upset at first. But I’m trying not to panic. We’re still in first, we have a good shot at winning the next two at home, and we can’t waste time staring at the scoreboard worrying about StL and Mil.
Still….
1) The injury factory is starting to show. No Z on the mound, no Sori starting in LF, no Reed Johnson to PH in the 9th. Hoping Z and RJ are back by the ASG and Sori by the end of July, which still gives us enough time to either pad our lead or shoot back ahead if we’re tied or behind in the standings.
2) Cedeno’s K was fugly, and hopefully it will motivate him to learn for the future. A big fly wasn’t necessary in that spot – just a solid line drive resulting from a smooth swing at a strike was the best thing to do there.
3) Same with EPatt in LF. Learn from the situation and get it right next time. He’s decent at the plate of late so having him able to play LF would increase his usefulness to the team.
4) The Cubs have come so far under Lou. They’ve become a much more confident, smarter, and formidable team. The last three at-bats were like a scary flashback to the past that had me reeling (“Oh no! Haven’t they learned?!”). Let’s hope it was all just jitters caused by wanting to give the crowd another thrill than reverting to 2005-2006 “hackalicious” form. Realize that you need to be calm and have good at-bats instead of trying to be the Cavalry all by yourself.
Onward!!
by CaliCub on Jun 25, 2008 10:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone notice Brian Runge's little performance last night?
It’s all here. This guy has long been in the Cuzzi/West/Bucknor class of show-offs, and last night he actually bumped Manuel, just so he could eject him. Weak sauce, Brian. MLB should suspend Runge. They have to do something about umpires making a show of themselves.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 11:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, captivating stuff...
...and I completely agree with you and the announcer. Runge was way, way out of line and should be suspended – or at least fined and ordered to apologize. And Jerry Manuel and Carlos Beltran both deserve some credit for holding it together as well as they did. Runge does that once too often and someone’s going to take a swing at him.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beltran had to keep his cool whilst holding a bat.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but Runge
really made it a lot worse with the whole brush off the plate thing. Bush league stuff from the ump and what Runge did to Manuel was just plain wrong.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way.
That was the traditional bottom of the fourth, 0-2 count, plate dusting. Regularly scheduled.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kinda wish he'd busted out...
...a Dustbuster, Naked Gun-style.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're joking
because that is some delicious sarcasm.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed.
It’s my specialty.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll have a double.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you like a side of irony?
Or a tall, cool glass of dry wit?
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer a sidecar of smartass
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Served!
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
An observation in the 8th inning—
Anyone else think that the “neighborhood” call in the 8th on DLee’s grounder was not what I always thought was a “true neighborhood” call.
On plays where the ump calls the runner out at second on these phantom calls, more often than not the fielder has already caught and released the ball before he has ever touched second base.Other times, he releases the ball before he ever touches the bag.
In last night’s game, neither of these scenarios happened. What did happen—a bad throw by Mora pulled Roberts off the bag. Roberts was already standing on second waiting for the throw. Mora’s throw was high and pulled Roberts off the bag just as Patterson was sliding.
This was just an out and out missed call by the second base umpire. It changed the entire inning and the outcome of the game.
by ceegeewow on Jun 25, 2008 11:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Even given the "neighborhood call" custom
that was a generous call. Roberts was pretty obviously off the base.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I saw that play happen, too, and...
...well, obviously, I would’ve liked to see the Cubs get that call. I agree that Roberts appeared to be off the bag when Patterson slid in. But, as Len and Bob, said, 95% of the time the infielder will get the call in that situation. Let’s hope next time it happens, the Cubs are the defenders.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Point Is --
I “understand” the neighborhood call and heard L and B’s quick explanation.
But my thinking was—Roberts was waiting for the ball. He wasn’t crossing the bag with or without the ball like you usually see in the Neighborhood fashion.
Mora threw too high and Roberts had to get off the bag to catch the ball. When he caught it, Patterson was on the bag.
Len and Bob reacted as though it was a Neighborhood call—that’s what the ump did and again in my opinion completely blew the call. Roberts had to get off the bag to catch the ball. He was not in the process of crossing or reaching for the base.
by ceegeewow on Jun 25, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Solid point.
That was my impression, as well. It’s just like when a throw pulls a 1st baseman off the bag. The throw was wild, and the ump bailed out the Orioles.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks --
Your example is exactly what I am talking about. There are some phantom calls at first as well. First basemen often “cheat” on close calls to get a favorable ruling. But when the first baseman leaps to catch a ball and is off the bag when the runner reaches the base, the ump will call him safe.
by ceegeewow on Jun 25, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
It’s one thing when it’s a sweep situation, and quite another when the throw clearly pulls the baseman off the bag.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In this situation
what probably worked against us was that it should have been a super easy play and the ump probably already had his mind made up before the thrown was even made. No excuse for it…need to make the call correctly.
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
by TheRiot Police on Jun 25, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
overflow posts
do whatever allows pictures to be posted without slowing things down..
I'm a reader not a poster, but I'm also a poster so don't get any ideas.
by cozmotaylor123 on Jun 25, 2008 11:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Everyone gets a brand new computer and high-speed internet for free? Sweet, sign me up!
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jun 25, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JIMMY BALLGAME ON ROME TODAY
Rome radio, second hour (12-1 pm central), Jim Edmonds on.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Jun 25, 2008 11:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Uh, what station is that?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
7th Inning Stretch Celebrities
I have a question. Do the celebrities who sing the stretch and do chats with the radio and TV broadcasters pay the Cubs or WGN/Comcast for the free advertising? Just listened to last night’s game and that singer basically said: “hey Cub fans, please go out and buy my CD. Here’s the name of it. Thanks!” That was the gist of the “content” provided by this guest appearance and it felt just like a commercial.
I realize on an actual talk show there is value to the show producer in having guests – they are the reason for the show. But what do the Cubs or WGN/Comcast get out of this segment? They can’t really bring in listeners/viewers, can they? And if they are just going to blatantly plug the product and that’s about it, the Cubs should charge for the service.
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jun 25, 2008 11:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I ahte, hate, hate, hate the guest conductor series.
It has run its course. Hand it over to Ron or end it. Now.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Let Ronnie do it or play a recording of harry
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
by TheRiot Police on Jun 25, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure it was noted in the game thread
but that singer was completely off-key – and she was just plugging an album?
I’ve said it before – Ron actually does it well and I wouldn’t mind if he did it all the time, with the occasional turn by the other broadcasters.
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jun 25, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would not even mind if Wayne doing it
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
by TheRiot Police on Jun 25, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes! The Messman!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
She was easy on the eyes, though.
Yeah, I said it.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+hotness
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DLEE DP Stats
Currently resides at 14. Last year he had 15 all year. Career high for a season is 18. He is on pace to shatter his career high.
What does this say about him…not sure.
My observations are…
Pitchers are not scared to pitch to him. I usually interpret that to me not scared means less mistakes over the plate by the pitcher.
Gets himself behind in the count a lot
Does not get a lot of respect from the umps…i.e. borderline calls go to the pitcher
Swinging at some terrible pitches and beating them into the ground…
He stats for this season are projecting like his career pre-2005. So you have to ask if 2005 and 2007 are anomlies…and what we see this year is more like what we should expect.
There has been a lot of talk of moving him in the order. With as hot as ARAM has been and as clutch as he is, you would think that DLEE would see some great pitches to hit. The three spot should be great for him because of ARAM protection
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
by TheRiot Police on Jun 25, 2008 11:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Food For Thought
It makes you wonder if the whole concept of “protection in the lineup” is just mythology. As long as pitchers are aware of a hitter’s weaknesses and exploit them, it may not matter who’s up next.
by CaliCub on Jun 25, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only we had Fred McGriff to protect D. Lee...... :)
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jun 25, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DLee's stats are in a trough right now on their way back up.
Let’s start this conversation again after a few more weeks. He was as hot as it gets the first month. I think he’s still capable of better #s. And don’t forget that his pre-Cub #s were held down by his home park. I don’t think 2007 was that far from his career #s when park-adjusted.
by DGU on Jun 25, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly--he shall return....
..since May began, he’s been pressing more and has been a 6-3 machine—-but i see more balls being hit to right. That will equate to him cycling back up closer to April’s performance.
I'm a good speller, but my typing creates a SERIOUS vacuum. (especially while I'm at work sticking it to the man)
by cubfever7 on Jun 25, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It appears most of you missed Fukudome's miss-play in the 4th as well
The game did not hinge on the pop out of Murton in the 8th or the K on Cedeno (then Fukudome and Blanco) in the 9th, it hinged on Fukudome’s miss play of the triple in the 4th that scored 2 runs (played well it was at best a one-run double) and then Patterson’s bonehead call off of Theriot in the 6th that led to 3 unearned runs.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Jun 25, 2008 12:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Um, I'm pretty sure Dome's misplay has been mentioned a couple times.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'll notice quite a few of us mentioned it in the game thread
and daver and I have discussed it in this thread , as well.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When someone like Fukudome makes an error
it is the exception. When you play an infielder in the outfield it is an error waiting to happen. There is a difference. No one is perfect and mistakes happen to the best, that is what happened to Fukudome.
"In football the object is for the quarterback, also known as the
field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the
defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the
blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and
long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this
aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in
the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
"In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! - I hope I'll
be safe at home!"
by bubbamike the one and only on Jun 25, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't enjoy being right about this but
From my post yesterday
“E-Pat in the outfield is an error waiting to happen. ”
Ok lots of people here don’t like Murton but guess what HE IS A LEFT FIELDER
OUR LEFT FIELDER IS INJURED. You do not put in a “speedy:” player who is only “versatile” because you play him out of position. I am not crazy about DeRossa in LF but it is a LOT better than E-Pat. I don’t know what Lou’s problem is with Murton but he literally hates the guy, he refused twice to call him up when Sori went down so it could not be clearer he does not want to use him. I have said before I have NOT liked Lou’s managing since April but I get that no one is going to argue with a team with this success even if I think Lou’s in game strategy is just terrible. At this point Hendry really needs to trade Murton for PTNL and find somebody who is an real left fielder that can be used till Soriano is back. There must be somebody out there who can field we can pick up cheap. I still think it inexcusable that Lou won’t use Murton while he has no other left fielder but so it goes. He overuses the bench so that is constantly running out of players and overuses half the BP ( Wood, Marmol ,Howry) and lets most of the others sit around. So far the Cubs are good enough to get away with this but I do get nervous.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 25, 2008 12:18 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You know-it-all BASTARD!
:) No, seriously, that’s interesting, and I wonder about that whole ‘Murton thing’ myself. Is it just that he doesn’t (and apparently CAN’T) hit for power? There must be something there…
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jun 25, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Murton had a half a clue at the plate,
you’d have a point. Murton looks lost at the dish, like he has no chance of hitting for any type of power, while Patterson has been hitting well this time up. If we could somehow mash them together, we might have a serviceable LF.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has a lifetime .295 BA
In 2 and half major league seasons. A little more than a small sample size
If maybe he was allowed to actually play a few games in a row you might be able to see that.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 25, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His swing is awful right now.
He seems to have lost the ability to hit for extra bases, as his SLG in the minors this season was .382, and in the majors this year is a paltry .261. He looks awful at the dish. Awful.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I'd reiterate that...
...I thought Murton put together a pretty good AB against Sherrill in the eighth. That said, I think EPatt’s error was unfortunate but somewhat forgivable given he’s a rookie who’s relatively inexperienced in left field. I still like having Eric’s speed and left-handed bat in the lineup.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Getting around late on fastballs and fouling off pitches
does not equate to a good AB. He was inept, his timing was of, and his swing looked completely out of whack.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Granted, but Sherrill is a very good pitcher this year...
... and it’s not like Matt’s had a ton of opportunities to face him.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps.
I haven’t like one single swing I’ve seen from Matt this year. And I like Matt a lot.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually I missed the AB
but fouling off pitches working a count to 3-2 and hitting fly was a lot better than
what happened in the 9th with the bases loaded. Not having seen it I don’t know if
the ball was hit deep enough to have scored a runner on 3rd. I think Lou has killed Murton
so I am all for letting him go somewhere he might actually get conistant ABs to judge his
skills . However E PAT CAN not play the OF ( frankly no more than Hoff or Ward actually)
If Murton is limited by having little power or speed, E-Pat is limited by being a crappy fielder and an ESPECIALLY bad OF. Since Lou won’t use Murton he should use DeRossa and let
Cedeno play 2b until Soriano is back and or go hunting for a short term LF Lou might actually play.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 25, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pie
How’s about bringing him up as our defensive OF once the hand heals?
by CaliCub on Jun 25, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not until September.
Barring an injury, Pie will not be back with club until September.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a soft liner.
Nothing to write home about. Someone-Mat himself, Von Joshua, Gerald Perry, Lou-has completely jacked Murton’s swing. It’s awful right now, and he shouldn’t be playing while Patterson is hitting. We’ve had a superior defensive shortstop on the bench all year, because the other one was hitting; I don’t think Lou is going to change things up in LF until Sori gets back or Patterson stops hitting.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yea big difference
Murton has 6 hits in 23 at bats ( you must have missed those in your not a single
good swing all season) and E-Pat has 7 hits in 23 at bats. Ok yes E-Pat has
2 extra base hits and Murton has one. This is an insanely small sample size
Bottom line Murton IS a left fielder and has several years of stats to show he is
perfectly good hitter for contact but little power. The biggest stat difference this year
is E-Pats 3 run error and if you think Murton looks bad at the plate – E Patt looks worse in the field. Lou is playing a crap shoot that basically E -Pat won’t have a lot of balls hit at him so he wants the speed. Thanks a lot I want someone who can field and hit for contact. I am not sure how bad e-Pat is at 2nd where of course he will have a lot more chances. Right now I don’t think he can field at the major league level so on the bench as a pinch hitter/pinch runner fine but he should NEVER be an everyday player until he fan field
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 25, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry that was 22 AB for EP
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 25, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're fine with contact instead of power from an NL ocrner OF'er, then Murton is your man.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember it being more of a pop up to the middle of left field.
In fact, I thought it looked good coming off the bat, but then it was immediately clear that the ball wasn’t going anywhere. IIRC, Len made the comment that Murton got under it.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was to left, but a soft liner.
Looping liner, whatever you want to call it. Murton is wreck at the plate and Lou has proven this season that he doesn’t give a whit about defense; if you can hit, you’ll stay in the lineup.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree but that does not make it right
Basically you get a 3 run error to offset his hitting well in one game.
Theriot and Edmonds are what I would call below average fielders,
E-Pat is BAD. For the MOMENT I am fine with contact and guy who has shown
he can hit nearly .300 in over two full seasons until Soriano gets back but
I admit Lou isn’t. I think we all agree that he overuses ( and misuses ) the bench
and the bullpen so is going for speed over defense is hardly a surprise.
Are you OK with a guy who going to constantly miss judge balls because
he is fast and hits left ?
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 25, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't call Edmonds a below average fielder.
He may have lost a step, but he’s still pretty good. I agree with you on Theriot.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 25, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not A Bad Plan
you suggested, in keeping DeRo in LF and EPatt on 2nd.
by CaliCub on Jun 25, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe after the week Patterson's had
someone’s complaining about him.
He tried to do too much last night and made an error. I’m not sure he’s an “error waiting to happen”. He’s a young player.
Patterson’s been great for us this week.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guy can't field
he could not field in the MINORS so is not going to suddenly get better
He is NOT a left fielder they just had him playing some to make him “versatile”
It is one thing to have bad outfielders who hit for power ( Soriano, Dunn etc) but Patterson does
not have that much power. I have no problem with him on the bench but not as a regular and definately
not in LF
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 25, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um.
2007 Iowa Cubs, OF: no errors in 40 games
2008 Iowa Cubs, OF: 1 error in 3 games
This is a guy who plays mostly at 2B in the minors. In 2007 he had no errors.
I wouldn’t say he can’t field in the outfield, I’d say he hasn’t been given a fair crack.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um read any scouting report on the guy
and various blogs of folks who have watched him play. Look I know I sound like
I hate him and I don’t I just think he does not belong in the OF. Oddly enough those of us
who love Murton and those of you who think he is basically worthless agree on one thing
HE NEEDS TO GO. If he goes to a team that might actually let him play ( It is worth noting
that Murton is now constantly being used to pinch hit and in late innings which is hardly his
strength ). When that happens we can finally resolve the issue. In the meantime I would
really prefer DeRossa in LF who while really not that good is better than E-Pat. I actually
think defense matters.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 25, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for putting words in my mouth.
And assuming I haven’t watched him play.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry I was not clear
I meant his playing in the MINORS. Now if you have watched a lot of his games
in the minors sorry but the report from those who have pretty much said he was
a way below average fielder and the Cubs were struggling to find a position he could play
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 25, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're missing my point.
He’s played 43 games in the minors in the OF. He needs to be given more learning opportunities than that. And, he’s been servicable, with 1 error.
Kid can rake, it makes up for a lot. Let’s give him some sort of time to grow into an outfielder before we call for his head.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry you can NOT
use the major leagues to learn to play the outfield. We had a thread like
this on Hoff earlier I believe. Again maybe if you are a guy who is going to hit
30 home runs and get over a hundred RBI’s then you are given a little slack but
otherwise forget it. Seriously it is not like the guy has shown a natural ability to field but is a little wild ( say Pie). He has been a deficient fielder at every position he has played in the minors. For now he belongs on the bench.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 25, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
You shouldn’t use the ML as a training ground to play OF.
But he’s really not as bad as you’re making him out to be. And, it’s silly to compare Patterson to Hoffpauir, totally different skill set.
I would say 43 games is not enough to make someone deficient. It’s just enough to make the results inconclusive.
I’m not clamoring for him to be our new LF. He’s a stopgap, doing fine for now, and we can roll with his blip last night. When Soriano gets back, Patterson should be the everyday LF or CF in Iowa, and then we can see what he does.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can use the majors as a training experience
but not on a contending team. On a team like the Royals or Mariners it would be a good thing.
"In football the object is for the quarterback, also known as the
field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the
defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the
blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and
long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this
aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in
the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
"In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! - I hope I'll
be safe at home!"
by bubbamike the one and only on Jun 25, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lee will be fine...
He’s just not seeing the ball well right now. With that being said, I think Lou will settle on Dome at the 2-spot in the line-up after Fonzi comes back. He’s got the lefty he needs after Ramirez now in Edmonds, put a lefty between Fonzi & Mr. Lee. If Soriano doesn’t get on, then Dome is essentially a second lead-off hitter in the first. As you go through the line-up, Dome will have enough spots to get RBI’s, especially with The Riot hitting eighth. Just give it a few weeks with the line-up and with Lee.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 12:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're right
but why is Lee hitting into so many double plays. I have no confidence when he is at the plate.
by mgfabc on Jun 25, 2008 12:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He's not seeing the ball well.
Now I know this seems to be a generalization. What makes Lee such a great hitter is his ability to really hit any pitch. He relies on the speed of his bat and his eyesight. If he isn’t seeing the ball well out of the pitchers hand, then really he can’t put the swing on the ball that will produce the outcome he desires. What concerns me actually is his plate discipline right now. It has not declined markedly, but he could get a few more walks, see a few more pitches per appearance, maybe this will help.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO confidence? Dang, that's harsh.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My opinion
He’s trying to pull everything. When DLee’s going well, he’s going the other way, and punishing pitches that are inside. Those DP groundouts are pitchers pitches that he should either not be swinging at or going the other way on. He had a couple AB’s last night that could have changed the complexion of the game, along with all the other stuff mentioned.
I'm not a religious man, but I pray for Carlos Marmol's arm.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's also got Mr. Scrappy
I-get-a-lot-of-singles-hit-to-the-right-side-of-the-field sitting in front of him. If Theriot could hit for doubles, Lee would be advancing the runner to third, not hitting into double-plays.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 25, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Switch Theriot and Fukudome?
How about then batting Theriot 1st and Fukudome 2nd, since Dome can hit for extra bases?
by CaliCub on Jun 25, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or
once Sori gets back, Dome second, and Theriot 8th.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Winner.
Theriot is perfect for the 8 spot.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
word
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 25, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
So it’s somehow TheRiot’s fault for being on first, therefore causing/enabling Lee to hit into so many DPs?! Very nice. So now our man TheRiot is being blamed for even his teammates’ shortcomings? My oh my….
"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young
by Kegler on Jun 25, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's a valid point.
And it’s his very own shortcoming that he can’t hit a double.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 25, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see
So Lee’s hitting into DPs has nothing to do with Lee’s inability to lift the ball when he’s slumping or hit to the opposite field more often when there’s a runner on 1st? The latter of these TheRiot does quite regularly, I might add, which is something that might contribute to his singles-only onslaught.
The Theriot hate around here is really something else. Your “valid point” doesn’t fly with last year’s stats, does it? I mean, TheRiot played most of the year last year and Lee didn’t hit into so many DPs…and TheRiot sure wasn’t more powerful or a better hitter last year, was he?
"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young
by Kegler on Jun 25, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he certainly was a better
runner.
I don’t hate Theriot. I just don’t think he’s a very good starting shortstop, and the numbers bear that out.
When 90% of Riot’s hits go to right, can you really call that the opposite field? I mean, really, it’s his ONLY field…
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 25, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Double plays are a result of clogging the basepaths!
If Theroit wasn’t on base there would be no DP. It is as plain as the nose on your face.
"In football the object is for the quarterback, also known as the
field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the
defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the
blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and
long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this
aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in
the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
"In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! - I hope I'll
be safe at home!"
by bubbamike the one and only on Jun 25, 2008 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can U imagine...
If all these guys somehow (!) got ‘hot’ at somewhat even CLOSE to the same time??? Oh man…
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jun 25, 2008 12:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Joe Morgan Sez...
“Well, in my opinion, if you asked me, and most people do, they’d be almost as good as the Big Red Machine but not AS good because, well, I was on it and won 2 MVPs and hit the game winning single in Game 7 of the 1975 World Series which we won although people act like Carlton Fisk won it for Boston.”
“Oh, and Ryne Sandberg will never be as good as me.”
by CaliCub on Jun 25, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rescinding An Opinion
I am hereby retracting my observation that Milwaukee won’t be a threat. While I still don’t believe they’ll win the division, I will concede that they will be in the hunt this year. Maybe Ned Yost smartened up all of a sudden!
by CaliCub on Jun 25, 2008 12:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep, they've won four in a row...
...and eight of their last 10. Most worrisome, indeed.
Incidentally, I just tuned into their game against Atlanta via Gameday Audio. I shall attempt to wield my mastery of the black arts against them. (Daver dons black cape, disappears in an explosion of gray smoke and fllutters off as a bat.)
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As Long As
The Cubs keep winning as many as they can and play StL and Mil tough, we should be OK.
by CaliCub on Jun 25, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They've been getting pitching
This is why the Cubs must make sure that the Brewers do not get Sabathia. Although I can’t imagine him wanting to play in Milwaukee…
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they offer a bounus of all the brats he can eat...they could have a shot.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CC and Prince
The Battle of the Heavyweights!
by CaliCub on Jun 25, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the Cubs can counteroffer with some deep dish pizza...
...or maybe an Italian Beef or three.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Milwaukee will offer Lutefisk, and we'll get C.C. for Deep dish.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, total pwnage!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pwned=owned
internet meme based on common mispellings, i.e. “teh”=”the”
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You totall pwned him
on his lack of knowing what it meant!
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's "totally."
I think I pwned myself.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LAWLZ
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jun 25, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The pwnage is exponential around here.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it
an Evil cape? Is it an Evil explosion of gray smoke?
"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young
by Kegler on Jun 25, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, they're all evil.
In addition, there is no dark side of the moon. It’s all dark.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent.
"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young
by Kegler on Jun 25, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moon
The “dark side of the moon” is a misnomer because it implies that one side of the moon is always dark. This is not the case at all; rather, one side of the moon never faces the earth because the gravity of earth has locked the moon into an orbit that takes the exact same amount of time as a lunar “day.” So although we never see that side, it isn’t always night over there; indeed, when there is a “new moon” here on earth, it’s when the far side of the moon is in full daylight and the near, familiar side is fully at night. A “full moon” on earth is when the familiar side of the moon is fully in daylight.
Sorry to digress.
"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979
by danimal15 on Jun 25, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
m-o-o-n
that spells Tom Cullen!
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 25, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Appreciate The Stand reference!
One of the great books of all time.
"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979
by danimal15 on Jun 25, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come down here and eat chicken with me, beautiful! It's so dark.
the creepiest sentence he ever wrote…
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you...
I’m watching them a lot closer than I’m watching the Cardinals (0-0 bottom 2 v. Atl) because I think in the long run they offer more of a threat. However, it all comes back to starting pitching, and after Sheets, they don’t have anyone that blows you away.
I'm not a religious man, but I pray for Carlos Marmol's arm.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sometime's Hitting Alone Is Enough
to win a division, although the Cubs’ offense can be the equal to the Brewers’ in terms of run scoring capability. However the Crew has more HR hitters than the Cubs.
If Milwaukee is successful in acquiring a starter, then the Cubs will have to make some sort of counter-move (pitching, bullpen, bench strength).
by CaliCub on Jun 25, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
I think regardless of what the Brewers do, the Cubs need a starter. If not C.C. or Harden, then maybe Aaron Cook? He’s got amazing numbers for that park. Sinker baller, would fit well I think.
I'm not a religious man, but I pray for Carlos Marmol's arm.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What Part of Canada Eh?
We got back from a trip to Calgary and Canmore a month ago – beautiful country up there!
by CaliCub on Jun 25, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Braves tie it up 2 to 2 in the bottom of the third.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 1:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dat Ol' Black Magic
Give ‘em one for me!
by CaliCub on Jun 25, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Edmunds on Rome
Nice interview, he said one he spread out his stance, everything fell into place. Let’s hope it stays there!! He didn’t sound like half the jag he did when he was in St. Lou.
by Itchy on Jun 25, 2008 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
WHat's he doing on Rome?
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Update from Turner Field
Score still tied at 2 in bottom of the fifth. But Brandon Jones has just doubled on a fielding error by Ryan Braun. Sounded like Braun misplayed the ball horribly.
Wait, wait…the pitcher just singled. Runners at the corners, nobody out.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 1:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Blanco hits RBI single. 3-2 Braves.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Conjure away
my man!
"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young
by Kegler on Jun 25, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will do!
And am doing: Kelly Johnson’s infield single makes it 4-2. Mark Texeira up to bat.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Braves score no further, leave bags juiced.
End of five: 4-2 Atlanta.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good work thus far
Daver, though you may want to step out of the room from time to time, what with all that smoke you’ve got in there. Might need to clear your airways a bit on occasion.
"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young
by Kegler on Jun 25, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're probably right.
The other day Amy Winehouse warned me I might get emphysema.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
4-2 braves top 6
"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.
by CubsBall2202 on Jun 25, 2008 1:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
r u evil, 2?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just another thought about Murton --
Correct me if I am wrong—
Prior to Lou’s arrival, didn’t Murton use a more upright stance in the batter’s box. It seems since early last year, his stance is spread out—almost Edmonds’ like.
Was this an attempt for more power? Whatever it is, it ain’t working.
by ceegeewow on Jun 25, 2008 1:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
good observation
I never noticed a change in his stance, but it’s possible. He definitely was a better hitter under Dusty.
"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979
by danimal15 on Jun 25, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MUHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Prince Fielder drops easy infield pop up. One on, one out in the bottom of the seventh.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 2:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, wait. Nevermind. It was a foul pop.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It had meat on it.
And, well, you know…
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trippy...
If I scroll down the main page quickly, it makes Bradford pitch…if I scroll back up quickly, the ball goes back into his pitching hand…
by Shawon O Meter on Jun 25, 2008 2:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I've noticed some odd things about this thread as well.
The schnozzberries taste distinctly like schnozzberries.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jun 25, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 outs in the 9th - Braves still lead 4-2
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jun 25, 2008 2:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
B A L L G A M E !
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jun 25, 2008 2:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
YES! (Daver does tomahawk chop.)
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
-1
Strike a blow against stereotypes and never do the chop.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd start with Cleveland's logo first.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Pittsburg's....
Pirates are people too.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Respect the Pittsburgh
Let’s give them their “H”
by N Oakley on Jun 25, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yearggh, ye be makin' light of a serious subject.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes! Yes!
We should
free the pirates!!!Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
The on to the Washington Redskins
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
Blackhawks, Braves, et al I never had a problem with. Traditional tribe names and respectful imagery were fine by me. I’m really shocked Cleveland and Washington (Washington, of all places in our PC country) have been allowed to use the imagery and terminology this long, as am I of the Native American community for not pressing the issue as much as they could (unless they are and I’m unaware of it).
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
I’m unaware of any organized efforts to thwart the outright racist stereotypes in Cleveland and Washington. Personally, I’d have gone after the Chief Wahoo and the Redskins long before I went after Chief Illiniwek.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And don't forget Notre Dame and their little fighting hooligan of a leprechaun...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 25, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
how come you don’t hear any complaining from the Irish about that? It’s like the Irish, the Cowboy, and the 49’er don’t even care that we all making fun of them.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've yet to mention the multitude of animal mascots.
Who’ll speak up for them?
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who speaks up for
the poor lost Yankee?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 25, 2008 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Irish by descent, and I hate that damn leprechaun
as much as I hate the idiocy that surrounds St. Patrick’s day
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen the film Once?
It’s brilliant.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I loved loved loved Once
one of the best musicals ever made. Bought the Swell Season CD. Great stuff
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 25, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But...but..I'm evil.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that's
what makes this so hard….
"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young
by Kegler on Jun 25, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
THE EVIL DEED IS DONE!!!
Braves beat Brew Crew 4-2 at Turner Field!!!
On a sidenote, does anyone know a good way to get a chicken blood stain out of a white t-shirt? Call me.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 2:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
murderer...
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jun 25, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, do you want to win this division or don't you?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oxy Clean!
That failing, try a 1-3 solution of bleach and hot water.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Thing is
the Brewers have been playing a lot better lately, yet they are still 5.5 (could be 6 tonight). I don’t see them being as hot as they have been these next 2 series in Minnesota and AZ.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jun 25, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Call you?
You need to post a thread with your cell first.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon, get serious.
No one would ever do something that stupid.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come one, everyone...
...can’t we all just “get together”?
:)
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jun 25, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hm, that sounds strangely familiar...
...but I just can’t quite put my finger on it.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ask LaRussa
They say what he’s been doing is nothing short of magical.
by CaliCub on Jun 25, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just dye the rest of the shirt blood red...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 25, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about blood stains in the trunk of an oldsmobile?
I mean A LOT of blood. No reason I ask, just curious.
by Mapmaker on Jun 25, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can help you out...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do what these guys did. Call The Wolf.
“Let’s get down to brass tacks, gentlemen. If I was informed correctly, the clock is ticking, is that right, Jimmie?”
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
but a little dude named Jobu just asked me for a shot of RUM, do you have any Captain Morgan’s?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 25, 2008 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try club soda
and then soak in cold water.
by sue369 on Jun 25, 2008 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The first time I went to an Oriole's home game...
that whole “O!!!!!!” thing during the national anthem had me completely baffled. My head was on a swivel looking around trying to find whatever it was the entire crowd was “O!”ing for. When it happened during the game the next day, I finally caught on…
I forgot about it until, whenever it was the All-Star game was at Camden Yards. Watching it on TV, the music celebrity they had do the national anthem, wasn’t a singer… he only played it, so it was an instrumental version of The Star-Spangled Banner. Sure enough, when the music came to the “O!!!” part, the whole crowd did it anyway, even though no one was singing.
by MillsChC on Jun 25, 2008 2:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jay Mariotti / Mike North
Take note, as I’m quite sure this will be the ONLY time I EVER ‘suggest’ you read an article by this tool, but this IS one I enjoyed.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/mariotti/1023088,mariotti062508.article
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jun 25, 2008 3:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not only is this article
not enjoyable, but it’s a piece of hypocrisy of the highest order, as Mariotti is every bit the uncouth tool that North is; this piece is the ultimate example of the pot calling the kettle black. It’s disingenuous, myopic and in poor taste. I only hope someone else in this town celebrates Mariotti’s demise in equal fashion.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW
I’m glad North is off the air. What an ass.
Daver, did you have something to do with that, too?
"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young
by Kegler on Jun 25, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad, too, as my diary today states,
but this piece Mariotti is so nearsighted it’s laughable.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course.
Mariotti’s a joke, as well. I completely agree.
"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young
by Kegler on Jun 25, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's just say that North's replacement has fewer zeros in his bank account balance these days.
MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree Mariotti is a joke and such...
...but, that said, I still agree with him for much of this article. And while I think Ozzie was an IDIOT for even calling to North’s show in the first place, to me, what North did was even worse. So, for once, even though it’s moron vs. moron, I’m on J.M.’s side for one of the few times in my life – lol.
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jun 25, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed - and let's hope that's NEXT!
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jun 25, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mariotti's demise I meant - my reply wasn't put where I wanted it :)
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jun 25, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pre-Game Thread UP!
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jun 25, 2008 3:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn, guess this means I won't be first.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nor will you be last... ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 25, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
last?
what is this last that you speak of?
by tootle on Jun 25, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe he means
he’s lost…
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 25, 2008 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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