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Pregame Thread: Cubs vs. Orioles, Wednesday 6/25, 7:05 CT

Baltimore Orioles at Chicago Cubs, Jun 25, 2008 7:05 PM CDT



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Baltimore Orioles
@ Chicago Cubs

Wednesday, Jun 25, 2008, 7:05 PM CDT
Wrigley Field

Brian Burres vs Ted Lilly

Partly cloudy with a 50-percent chance of rain. Winds blowing out to center field at 10-15 m.p.h. Game Time temperature: Around 80.

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Ask and you shall receive. I'm posting this thread early, you can all hash everything out till gametime, then if this one gets too busy, there'll be a "first pitch" thread.

Here's something that ought to get you going, from John Perrotto's column at Baseball Prospectus (may be $, not sure):

NL Rumors and Rumblings: There is growing sentiment among baseball people that the Cubs might be relaying the catcher’s signs from the hand-operated scoreboard at Wrigley Field to the hitters. The Cubs are averaging 6.5 runs a game at home and 4.4 on the road.

Jealousy's not pretty, is it? There's no one stealing signs. Nobody's in that board except the ground crew workers up there. Say, did it ever occur to "baseball people" that maybe, just maybe, the Cubs have put together a team well-suited to its home park? (And there are quite a few other teams playing well at home this year. Are they stealing signs too? How ridiculous.)

Today's Starting Pitchers
Ted Lilly
T. Lilly
Cubs
vs. Brian Burres
B. Burres
Orioles
7-5 W-L 6-5
4.71 ERA 5.24
91 SO 39
34 BB 27
16 HR 12
vs. Bal -- vs. Cubs

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Ted Lilly 7-5 16 16 0 0 0 0 91.2 89 51 48 16 34 91 4.71 1.34


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Brian Burres 6-5 15 14 0 0 0 0 80.2 96 49 47 12 27 39 5.24 1.52

I confess I know almost nothing about Brian Burres; he was originally drafted by the Giants and acquired via waivers by Baltimore two years ago. He's been a back-of-the-rotation guy for them since then. He has never faced the Cubs.

Ted Lilly has faced Baltimore many times, of course, playing in the AL East; the last time he faced them was two years ago. In 12 career starts he's 6-2, 4.24 vs. the Orioles. Kevin Millar, Jay Payton and Ramon Hernandez have all hit him pretty hard.

Today's game is on CSN and MASN; it should be on EI and at the MLB.com Mediacenter.

MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)

MLB.com Gameday (2008 version)

Baseball-reference.com game preview

OK, let's try this today: first pitch thread at 7:00 pm CT; first overflow thread at 8:15 pm CT; second overflow thread at 9:15 pm CT. We'll see how that goes.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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FIRST!!!

GO CUBS!!!

Wait a minute... who am I here?

by malicedoom on Jun 25, 2008 3:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

SECOND!!!

What do I win?

by bergs55 on Jun 25, 2008 3:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A CI-GAR!

Wait a minute... who am I here?

by malicedoom on Jun 25, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't we already discuss

how unfair the wild card is?

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Second!!

It’s the new first. Go Cubs!

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Jun 25, 2008 3:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Attending my...

....FIRST Cubs game of the season, with my little brother (a fellow Cubs fan) in town from Florida for his FIRST Wrigley game.

We’re sitting in the bleachers…presuming I get off work early enough to get a seat, we’ll try to make it over to left field to say hello, Al. Probably won’t stay there, though….we’ll be hitting the Old Style and talking to the coeds (but always keeping track of the game)

by Chadnudj on Jun 25, 2008 3:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I say let 'em wonder about what lurks behind the scoreboard

Maybe the opponents should change their signs every few innings just to be sure. This just begs for a coy response from management.

by Jerry Mumphrey on Jun 25, 2008 3:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cubs should wait for the next

100 degree day and invite the opposing team executives to watch the game from the scoreboard.

by N Oakley on Jun 25, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is a pretty long way..

for someone to see a finger between the legs of a catcher. If they had a telescope and some binoculars hanging out of the scoreboard then the opposing team would have something to worry about.

by Ga Cub on Jun 25, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But then the batter would need EXCELLENT vision.

Unless he’s speaking into a microphone connected wirelessly to the earwig inside the batter’s helmet’s earguard. That’s probably it.

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That story is ridiculous.

What, so the Cubs just figured out how to do this? So in all the decades they’ve been struggling at Wrigley Field it never occurred to them to steal signs from the scoreboard? If the concept were even feasible, wouldn’t the Cubs have won 20 World Series by now?

I’d love for whoever started this rumor to step out into the open so Sweet Lou can vaporize him with one withering glance. Absolutely ridiculous.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

With Roids, HGH, The Patriots aka The Cheatriots

tainting sportsmanship, I’m sure someone thinks this is truly happening. Pretty sad.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Jun 25, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, everyone's(but mine) favorite -Steve Stone

implied that during the weekend series on his pathetic Sox broadcast.
He’s a bitter little man, with no future in baseball, just with the Sox. How bad is that.

by cubswin on Jun 25, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stone has become a shadow of his former self.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I knew Stone was arrogant

but this just shows he’s just a bitter ex employee.

by Rick B on Jun 25, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stoney has an obvious axe

to grind. He can’t get into MLB as an owner, (majority or minority), can’t get into management either, noboby will touch him. He has become an ass. He thinks he knows it all, and that he deserves to be a GM or management type. He’s been trying, but no one will touch him for the last ten years.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would be a lot more believable

if you told me someone stole their play book, scouting reports, something…. but stealing signs (signs that don’t always mean the same thing) just crazy. Whoever wrote that should be embarassed.

Go ahead, Z me.

by tony412 on Jun 25, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What somebody needs to do...

Somebody in the bleacher needs to make a series of signs that say “fastball”, “curveball”, “slider” etc. and only hold them up when the other team is batting.

In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this -Oysterband

by Ross on Jun 25, 2008 3:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Brilliant!

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Jun 25, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good idea!

Maybe they’re not in the scoreboard but in the bushes in center. The spies can be anywhere!

Go ahead, Z me.

by tony412 on Jun 25, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stealing signs from the grassy knoll.

Fastball. High…and to the left.

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I was.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Check the Zambrano film.

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was one magic sign.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the Cubs have somebody in the scoreboard relaying signs

then he must have been taking a very ill-timed bathroom break during the last three at bats of last night’s game.

by bluekoolaide on Jun 25, 2008 3:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Or

didn’t have the sign for HIGH fastball.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Jun 25, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Article On Old Sign Stealing

This article by Rich Marazzi in the June 2001 issue of Baseball Digest goes over the 1951 Giants stealing signs. The article also chronicles an incident in 1898 involving the Phillies using a wire to steal signals.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Jun 25, 2008 3:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

HBO did a great documentary on that a year or two ago

made a very compelling case that Bobby Thompson knew what pitch was coming before he hit “the shot…”

by bluekoolaide on Jun 25, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's the rats, I tell you

the Rats are being commanded by Scott “Willard” Eyre, who’s not only having them steal signs, but they are going into the visitor’s clubhouse and stealing their scouting reports and eating their post-game buffet, naturally.

Unfortunately, the Cubs will never be able to trade or release Eyre because . . .well, let’s just say it wouldn’t end well for Jim Hendry.

It's a girl! Born 1-18-08. 2246 PST. 8 lbs. 1 oz.

by Josh77 on Jun 25, 2008 3:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just for AL a scouting report on Burres

Scouting Report

Assets: Has solid sink on his high-80’s fastball, and mixes in a slider and change-up. Is versatile enough to be used as a starter or reliever.

Flaws: His command needs to be almost perfect, since he doesn’t have the repertoire to blow hitters away due to his mediocre fastball.

Career potential: A solid middle reliever or spot-starter.

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Jun 25, 2008 4:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting, thanks.

His numbers don’t exactly fill me with dread.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely. His ERA+ is 80.

I feel fairly confident the Cubs will do well offensively tonight.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

His numbers

do fill me with dread. An unknown pitcher with a 5.24 ERA- this tends to be the type of guy who pitches his first career shutout against the Cubs.

"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979

by danimal15 on Jun 25, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I would've said that, too...

...about previous Cubs teams, but not this one. Let’s hope they don’t prove me wrong.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's the Weather like there?

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Jun 25, 2008 4:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Weather at Wrigley

See the weather outside the park.

http://www.cubworld.com/category/a_cubworld_cam/

Favorite Game - 'The Sandberg game" June 23, 1984

by Cub Fan Mike on Jun 25, 2008 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In downtown Chicago...

...it’s partly cloudy, blue skies, presumably warm. (I haven’t been outside today. Chained to my desk working like a slave. Oh, and committing heinous acts of black magick against the Milwaukee Brewers. Yeah, that too.)

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good

So no problem getting the game in tonight?

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Jun 25, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn't appear so at the moment.

There were warnings last night and this morning that we could have severe thunderstorms today, but they never seemed to materialize. I should note, however, that I haven’t checked a weather radar lately.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I live in Milwaukee

So I have to listen to all the Brew fans. 2 weeks ago everyone was ready for football to start. Now that they have turned it around somewhat they are getting Sabathia and are going all the way. Craziness…

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Jun 25, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sounds familiar

Before Edmonds: 24-16, (.600); With Edmonds: 24-13 (.649)
Edmonds with Cubs: .300 / .352 / .587

by joeschmitt on Jun 25, 2008 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As for the signals, let me see....Cubs must also be slowing the game down like the Matrix

Because there is probably less than a second no more than two between the signal and the throw…and then one has to refocus on the pitcher…...

Hey right….old rumor….new media.

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Jun 25, 2008 4:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Note to Al

Your “Baseball-reference.com game preview” link goes to the Cubs May 18 game vs. the Pirates. In case Al has already left for the game, here’s the link for today’s game.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 4:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Stealing signs has long been a part of baseball...

...and so I don’t find the allegation as ludicrous as some here do. Of course, that could also be because I’m not sure I’d be upset if it were true.

That said… the Cubs also have a lower ERA at home than on the road, a tough thing to pull off when your home park is Wrigley Field. Are Cubs pitchers stealing their own signs, too?

by cwyers on Jun 25, 2008 4:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A runner on second

stealing signs for his teammate is one thing. That’s using the tools available to you to outplay the other team. If someone in the Wrigley scoreboard is stealing signs that’s called cheating.

But it’s not happening.

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, about that cheating thing.

I really have a hard time becoming emotionally involved in allegations of cheating in baseball. There are plenty of guys who are in the Hall of Fame essentially for the quality of their efforts in cheating at baseball. I guess I just view it as part of the fabric of the sport.

[This is also why I’m not worked up about rumors that teams are selectively pulling different balls out of the humidor based upon whether the home team or the away team is batting.]

About the only time it gets to me is when the competitive integrity of the sport is in question – like throwing a game or shaving points. Cheating to win just doesn’t seem to bother me. I’m not trying to claim this is the only position or even the correct position, but it’s how I feel about it.

by cwyers on Jun 25, 2008 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see what you're saying

and I’d be living in a fantasy world if I believed Major League Baseball was 100% honest. And while I don’t condone cheating of any kind, something about outside cheating (a non-player stealing signs, videotaping plays, etc.) really bothers me.

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i wouldn't get worked up about it either

but you don’t think a non-player stealing signs about pitch location and relaying it to batters would be putting “the competitive integrity of the sport in question”?

by billywan on Jun 25, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no more so than PED...

and we all know how hard and fast MLB (Bud the CHUD) came down on the players when they got wind of that!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Competative integrity...

...is a very precise term, the way I’m using it at least. Obviously cheating is against the rules – that’s why it’s cheating – and for a reason.

But there’s a difference between cheating to gain a competitive advantage and cheating to arrange the outcome of the event. Stealing signs, using steroids, doctoring the baseball – all of those are attempts to better ones performance. We can argue over degrees and justification and whatnot.

But to do things like shave points or fix a game – then you’re not watching a sport, you’re watching pro wrestling. I can live with the first; I can’t live with the latter. And that’s what I mean about the competitive integrity of the sport – I can forgive cheating, so long as both teams are still out there trying to win, and the outcome of the game is in doubt. I can’t forgive it if the outcome has been decided beforehand.

by cwyers on Jun 25, 2008 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

interesting

good explanation of the distinction.

my own (more or less arbitrary) lines for what i’ll accept are a touch different.
but good explanation.

by billywan on Jun 25, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a matter of degrees.

I don’t know that any one person is more or less right about where to draw the lines. It’s interesting to think about, though.

by cwyers on Jun 25, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i strongly agree with you.

"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella

by anormal on Jun 25, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wholeheartedly agree.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it is my understanding

that it is against the rules of baseball for a runner on second or the 1st and 3rd base coaches to signal the batter as to any signal from the catcher to the pitcher. too lazy to look it up though.

Before Edmonds: 24-16, (.600); With Edmonds: 24-13 (.649)
Edmonds with Cubs: .300 / .352 / .587

by joeschmitt on Jun 25, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That might be so.

And I agree with the base coaches not stealing signs. But I’m fine with the nine guys playing the game to. And if a guy on second can pick up the signals of a catcher and relay that to the batter in time for him to make a concious decision before the pitch is thrown…well, that’s pretty amazing.

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

One, I don;t care if the Cubs are stealing signs, as I’m sure it’s something everyone tries to do, if not succeeds at doing. Two, there’s so many other factors at play, it’s a silly accusation to make.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe the Cubs

have hired Belichick to operate the scoreboard.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by tucsoncubsfan on Jun 25, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come on Cubs!

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Jun 25, 2008 4:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bildo!

Let’s start it now! COME ON, YOU CUBS!!!!!!!!!!!!

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Going to the game tonight...

LEZDOIT

The Baseball Prospectus article requires a membership, unfortunately.

CUBS WIN! CUE THE ORCHESTRA!

by Keith on Jun 25, 2008 4:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

LEZDOIT? SWL, he’s calling you.

by N Oakley on Jun 25, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he meant...

http://letzdoit.com/

Yes…it’s safe for work.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thought it was a porn site

No wait, there’s a T in there after the Z – nevermind. :)

Wait a minute... who am I here?

by malicedoom on Jun 25, 2008 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Burres

LIGHT IM UP!

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jun 25, 2008 4:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bloody hell!

I did it yesterday. My spot won’t come up for another five games.

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cor blimey, mate!

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jun 25, 2008 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

TWSS

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Jun 25, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

EM instead of IM

and I’m not too sure about the !

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jun 25, 2008 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's an 'omage.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jun 25, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bloody 'ell

:-)

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jun 25, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Going with the enemy

Have a group visiting from Baltimore. About to leave to get to the game meeting in the seats. Tomorrow we’re going to spend the morning downtown go to the game and dinner afterwards.

We forget how treasured and loved Wrigley is but my one friend is a huge baseball fan and was so excited he couldn’t sleep last night.

Go Cubs

by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 25, 2008 4:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Been net friends for years with the wife/mom of the family in a non sports group. Have met her but not the husband or kids or her brother and sister in law who are all coming.

Go Cubs

by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 25, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ohmigod...

I barely stifled my laugh.

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

You weren’t there, right?

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't where?

There was nowhere to be.

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.

by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am nowhere and it was nothing.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your a real nowhere man...

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

coulda been somthing, this nothing man

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was standing in the middle of nowhere...

...wondering how to begin. Caught between tomorrow and yesterday. Between now and then (now and then, now and then).

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 25, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same here.

Very subtle play by SWl. Well done.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tigers' Inge loses battle with pillow, placed on DL

Not really fan post worthy, but I thought this was amusing….

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080625/SPORTS02/80625089

by Neifi Puppy on Jun 25, 2008 4:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I mean, that’s gotta be a big pillow, right? Or maybe he sneezed while moving it…

"The ever-changing kaleidescope of raw reality would defeat the human mind by its complexity, except for the mind's ability to abstract, to pick out parts and think of them as the whole." -Thomas Sowell

"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse

by Goodie1969 on Jun 25, 2008 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you saying Inge is a pillow biter...err, fighter

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stop channeling emaus_catuli....

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All apologies.

(geez, how many rock songs can I reference in one thread…)

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lets get back on track tonight!

"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.

by CubsBall2202 on Jun 25, 2008 4:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This may be old news

But it’s worth the diversion if you read to the end.

Fantasy Baseball Owner Rips Team In Media

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jun 25, 2008 4:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1 for using the new window link

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Jun 25, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There was no hesitation whatsoever

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jun 25, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

TWSS

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matt Albers instead of Burres

Got the flu. Still a RH though.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 5:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

E-Patt in the 2-Hole instead of Theriot; Theriot back in the 8-Hole

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Enter SWL: (holds up baseball and examines it)

Cedeno….2b….or not 2b….that is the question.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2008 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whether tis nobler in the box

To suffer the high fastballs of outrageous fortune, or by taking bad swings to end it?

"The ever-changing kaleidescope of raw reality would defeat the human mind by its complexity, except for the mind's ability to abstract, to pick out parts and think of them as the whole." -Thomas Sowell

"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse

by Goodie1969 on Jun 25, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, what a rougue and peasant shortstop am I!

Is it not monstrous that this player here,
But in a pinch hit appearance, in a dream of late-inning glory,
Could force his strike zone so to his won conceit

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thus 0-2 counts doth make coward of us all

And…ah, screw it.

"The ever-changing kaleidescope of raw reality would defeat the human mind by its complexity, except for the mind's ability to abstract, to pick out parts and think of them as the whole." -Thomas Sowell

"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse

by Goodie1969 on Jun 25, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to the Score, E-Patt was re-inserted in the Lineup.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope so....I dont see the point of sitting him

...and impacting his confidence. He needs to get right back out there IMO.

Cedeno is used to sitting.

by JB 23 on Jun 25, 2008 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LF

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you

I just heard it on the radio and missed who it was or I would have posted it.

by Mapmaker on Jun 25, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why does that guy sound familiar?

"The ever-changing kaleidescope of raw reality would defeat the human mind by its complexity, except for the mind's ability to abstract, to pick out parts and think of them as the whole." -Thomas Sowell

"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse

by Goodie1969 on Jun 25, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jimmyeatworld, (but he gets fatter)

Goodie1969, what’s up? Been home today?

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tweaked my back (Not Moving Pillow)

Forgot Albers was on the Astros until last season.

"The ever-changing kaleidescope of raw reality would defeat the human mind by its complexity, except for the mind's ability to abstract, to pick out parts and think of them as the whole." -Thomas Sowell

"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse

by Goodie1969 on Jun 25, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Been watching your posts all day...

Knew ya had to be at home. Feel better brougham.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Naughty boy

Does Darkman know you scan the posts at work? Not very productive, sir. Tsk tsk.

"The ever-changing kaleidescope of raw reality would defeat the human mind by its complexity, except for the mind's ability to abstract, to pick out parts and think of them as the whole." -Thomas Sowell

"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse

by Goodie1969 on Jun 25, 2008 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah,

Dark Mavis no mind. (As long as I’m not doing it all day, and doing my work). Mostly I check at lunch hour & end of day.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah

When Mapmaker said Burres is sick, I thought he was being sarcastic.

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jun 25, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can see that now.

Hopefully he’s not sick in the “filthy” sense tonight.

by Mapmaker on Jun 25, 2008 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Based on his numbers

that’s why I thought it could be a sarcastic note. But if he’s really sick and isn’t pitching, I hope Albers isn’t filthy/sick!

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jun 25, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anybody see any line-ups?

For both Cubs and O’s.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 5:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Who's in LF today? Soto? :)

Wait a minute... who am I here?

by malicedoom on Jun 25, 2008 5:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dome is a late scratch...

Tightness in his legs.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 5:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Specifically his hamstring.

Not good for tonight. Probably more precautionary than anything else.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So, in the past 20 minutes on The Score

Bernstien and Holmes have insinuated the Cubs home record is due to sign stealing and amphetamine usage. Now I know why I stopped listening to that worthless vehicle-for-monstrous-egos station.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 5:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

let's just get this out of the way now

nice PK, modric. have fun at tottenham.
that is all.

by billywan on Jun 25, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Say goodbye to Adebayor and hello to Nasri, yet another

short, overrated midfielder.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's short, overrated...

midfielder’s who don’t score goals, to you! but boy, they sure pass pretty.

sigh. why’d i bring this up…

by billywan on Jun 25, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL.

We may disagree on footy, but we can agree on this: GO CUBS!!!!!!!!!!!!

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

indeed

go cubs. i can’t take losing streaks of more than one game anymore.

by billywan on Jun 25, 2008 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know. I've become

spoiled by this team.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the coolest feeling about it

is that even when we’re losing, i don’t just feel like we’re GOING to come back I actually wonder “Hmm, who’s it going to be today?”. That is a lot of fun.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

I was never worried last night. I just assumed they’d come back, which made my disappointment all the more bitter when they didn’t.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bernstein infects all those who unfortunately come in contact with him...

Maybe I need to call him again. Called him late last year when he was carping that Ramirez was sub-par defensively, and didn’t hustle. After I gave him his fielding pctg. and # of errors, and explained why he doesn’t always bust ass, he shut up. Had to argue with him and insist he tell me who was better based on stats, he couldn’t answer… so he hung up on me.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bernstein=MDBNIU

except you said Bernstein shut up.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apt comparison.

Yeah Bernstein finally shut-up. I had to take his approach. Beat him over the head with stats & insist he tell me how he could say that about Rami with all the evidence I presented, (fielding pctg., # of errors, Ramirez history of playing through leg & foot issues in Pitt.). Once he knew I would persist, he shut up, then promptly hung up on me.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So thats how they are justifying the White Sox getting swept there

So if they justa s bad @ the Cell what is going to be the reason???

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 25, 2008 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ninjas.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All of them.

They’re better at home, because they can get rest, while, apparently, they don’t sleep on the road and their speed dependency kicks in.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well they're chalking all of the team road woes

on to the lack of “Greenies”... which I’ve never heard of but am assuming are amphetamines of some kind. Its not just the Cubs the media is assuming it of at least, not that its much consolation.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's still stupid of Bernsie to imply it

and it smacks of sour grapes.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

It just wasn’t the only time I’d heard it.

:shrug: They’re just jealous that the Cubs are playing so well.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Likely so.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's the most idiotic thing I've ever heard...

Clean for fifteen years. I can tell you from experience that dependency doesn’t work that way.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

And congratulations to you, sir, for staying clean!

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Gary.

It’s a daily struggle. But thankfully not much of a struggle anymore. I want to live.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Always good to hear.

Stay strong.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Echo'd from here

Congrats, and keep it up! We want you to live as well!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Albers, 2 starts this year

11 IP 4 ER

Career wise: DeRo’s 2-5, Theriot 2-3, Rami 0-4, DLee 1-4, Edmonds 1-4

Career vs Cubs: 4 games, 1 start, 9.1 IP, 5.79 ERA

Nobody cares about your fantasy league team

by carmen_fanzone on Jun 25, 2008 6:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Stealing signs: I've had that in the back of my head for most of June

I have absolutely nothing to back it up – but have I have to be honest, I’ve had the thought rolling around in my head for most of June wondering if maybe they were stealing signs from the outfield / scoreboard.

That said, there is a difference wondering weather it was a possibility and claiming its happening.

Maybe I’m so unused to Cubs being this successful that I need to question it!

by otherones on Jun 25, 2008 6:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If the Cubs were stealing signs,

I don’t think we’d have seen Cedeno, Dome, and Blanco flailing like blind men last night.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Purely posturing... but...

when they all struck out – the thought honestly went through my mind that maybe they are too dependent on the signs they are getting and swinging blindly purely based on the sign.

Probably my imagination – but I do find it interesting that other people are talking about it too when i’ve had the thought it my ‘gut’ / intuition.

by otherones on Jun 25, 2008 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In my line of work,

that’s what we call “confirmation bias.”

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

100% agree -- it is all speculation.

which is why its a shame if it would start hitting major media.

by otherones on Jun 25, 2008 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's their MO

They love a nonsense story, because they can use it to distract from the fact they lack more than a basic knowledge of anything they speak about.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If that were the case

Then the Cubs would have not suck so bad in 2006, lol. Hell, not even in 97, 99, 2000, 2002 etc.

by Geo4MVP on Jun 25, 2008 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Althought I got admit....

people wondering how the Cubs are winning so much isn’t a bad thing. I never thought I’d be hearing people come up ideas like that

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 25, 2008 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Figures

I’m not home to watch the game on Tuesday and its on WGN… I am home to watch this game its on Comcast which I don’t have. ::sigh::

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

but at least I get to watch game 3 of the college world series, which is a lot of fun.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pulling for

Fresno. Who are you pulling for?

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by tucsoncubsfan on Jun 25, 2008 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love the Fesno story

But mostly I’m rooting for a good game. I don’t want either team to lose b/c of a blown call or something. :-)

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

or stolen signs...

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What the hell

Will this Cardinal nightmare ever end? lol. Man, I really dislike this years Cubs schedule and I wish they would face the Cardinals more often than the Pirates.

by Geo4MVP on Jun 25, 2008 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I’ve been itching for Cubs-cardinals ever since the last series, which was forever ago.

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jun 25, 2008 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course he did

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jun 25, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kyle Lohse is living on borrowed time

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was just thinking the same thing

Feels like a million years ago the last time we played the cards.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, boys & girls.

Gotta go home and feed the girls, (cats). Oh, and listen to Pat & Ron, score the game, and get some rest as well. See ya’ll later.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 6:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

G'night

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Latest lineup

O’s
Roberts, 2B
Markakis, RF
Mora, 3B
Huff, 1B
Hernandez, C
Scott, LF
Payton, CF
Cintron, SS,
Albers, P

Cubs
Patterson, LF
Theriot, SS
Lee, 1B
Ramirez, 3B
Edmonds, CF
Soto, C
DeRosa, RF
Fontenot, 2b
Lilly, P

Fukudome scratched because of left-calf tightness.

by Bruce Miles on Jun 25, 2008 6:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

All these lefty bats must be making

Lou giddy.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ronny obviously back in the doghouse

as the Wonder Hamster gets a start.

E-Patt leading off is interesting.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Patterson, Theriot, Fontenot and DeRosa all in the same line-up

C’mon, put Cedeno in. Might as well have five second basemen in there. If Soriano was around….

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jun 25, 2008 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is positively Dusty-esque.

I hadn’t noticed that.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jun 25, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awww, dude, why you gotta dude me like that?

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude?

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, the dude abides.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was the affirmative exclamation "dude"

but then, that’s probably a movie quote you’re dude-ing there, and I’m not picking it up dude

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jun 25, 2008 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Duuuuuude.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Should be our motto

Don’t Do What Dusty Would Do.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DDWDWD?

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jun 25, 2008 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or something like that

SWL is the clever one. I just talk. :-)

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and you have a silver tounge. ;)

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2008 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um, thanks

I think. :-)

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

twss?

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 25, 2008 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's better than a

” target=”new”>silver nose.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Argh

Silver Nose

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But not as good as

a Silver Machine.

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jun 25, 2008 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Runs the gamet from

Pesky to Scrappy to Hamster, huh?

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you've got an extra "s" there.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Murton not in line up

For lack of scrapiness and failure to learn Cajun

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Jun 25, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks Bruce

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 25, 2008 6:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

varsho need a refill

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Murton officially thrown under bus

Ron just said that Lou said that if Jedmonds faces a lefty, he’s not going to pinch hit for him.

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jun 25, 2008 6:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Learning has occurred.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

About time after his senior moments lately

Seriously, I mean, one of Jedmonds two homers that were hit in the same inning was against a lefty. And he pinch hit for Fontentot who had just hit a HR in an inning that they batted around in. Fewer senior moments please.

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jun 25, 2008 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well I didn't think it was a horrible move to pinch hit for Jedmonds

against their closer, but to go for Murton when you needed an extra bagger not just a single was the problem to me

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hadn't he just hit a 3-run HR in a previous at bat?

I’m sure this has all been debated, and I saw the splits for JE against LH and Sherrill against leftys, so I understand that. But I woulda stuck with the guy that already produced a bunch of runs that day.

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jun 25, 2008 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As mentioned above

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jun 25, 2008 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I know

But my biggest problem with the move is who he went to off the bench, not that he went to the bench. ::shrug:: Maybe thats just me.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The adorable redhead

is not on Lou’s christmas card list, huh?

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Methinks that

our OF depth is a bit non-existent right now—especially since Murton currently resides in the basement of Lou’s doghouse. Orange hair in a doghouse. A golden retriever? Would Doggie Stalker know?

Just hope that Lou’s (Italian) Swiss Army Knife can stay healthy.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Jun 25, 2008 6:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

MLB.TV is talking Lieber Retirement...

I didn’t have the sound turned on…but the showed a few replays from last night and then the graphic on the screen behind the reporter at the desk said “John Lieber Retirement?”

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2008 6:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh no.

is he hurt? Is that why he never pitches anymore? (Other than last night?)

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hope he's retiring

at the end of the season and not now.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by tucsoncubsfan on Jun 25, 2008 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There was an interview with him

in the Trib or maybe cubs.com where he said he’s thinking about it after the season.

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jun 25, 2008 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That story was in the Trib this morning.

Link.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Jun 25, 2008 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the link

Sure glad it’s the end of the season. I was worried for a moment.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by tucsoncubsfan on Jun 25, 2008 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, thanks!

I missed the story entirely in the paper. I think he’s in a good place right now, executing as expected, and should consider a one-year extension in the off-season.

by chilango2 on Jun 25, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

John Lieber....Major League Starter...20 game winner....

quitter.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Accusations of cheating...

... are terrible and they often reveal jealousy, true.

by DrCrawdad on Jun 25, 2008 6:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Like

When Beuhrle accused Maddux of throwing spitballs?

Or when Beuhrle accused the Rangers of stealing signs?

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

just let it go.

don’t feed into him

by tootle on Jun 25, 2008 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll try.

I can only take so much stupidity, though.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good thing...

... you don’t care about the Sox and don’t follow them.

Buehrle should envy Maddux. He’s a great pitcher.

And you of course know that accusations of cheating were common howls of whining by Cubbie fans about the World Champion 2005 White Sox. And you of course know that revealed the bitter envy and jealousy of Cubbie fans. Hence your anger. Truth hurts, no?

by DrCrawdad on Jun 25, 2008 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Dome tonight ......

"My favorite umpire is a dead one."
-Johnny Evers

by MiCubsFan on Jun 25, 2008 6:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think it may be Al on the grassy knoll with binoculars and a flashlight/mirror

Two flashes outside, one flash inside. Followed by morse code indicating one quick flash for off speed and two slow flashes for fast ball.

I have got it!!!! Al is the imposter for the Cubs hitting ability in Wrigley. I thought I saw DLEE looking toward left field last night. He was really squinting though. I think Al needs to get a higher powered flashlight. Ace Hardware has some really good models on sale right now.

Bwaaaahhhhhh,,,,,HAAAAAAAAAA…......HAAAAAAAAA…what a crock of sheeeiiiiitttttte!!!!!

by mmancubfan on Jun 25, 2008 7:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh jeez...

Anthem singer… horrid.

by chilango2 on Jun 25, 2008 7:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sounded like they asked for a volunteer from the audience

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jun 25, 2008 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No kidding.

Let Wayne do it all the time. That was awful.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OT:

Anyone looking for a nice everyday wine, try this:

Just had some for dinner and it’s quite nice.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 7:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Beer, eh?

Just had this the other day. It’s a local brewer, but if you like German beer, you’ll like this:

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah, cool, I like trying the micro beer, especially like porters and stouts, but

weiss’s are great too.

"My favorite umpire is a dead one."
-Johnny Evers

by MiCubsFan on Jun 25, 2008 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They make a few varieties.

Three Floyds makes a fantastic Russian Imperial Stout, but it’s seasonal.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

one pitch one out! good job!

"My favorite umpire is a dead one."
-Johnny Evers

by MiCubsFan on Jun 25, 2008 7:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

One pitch, one away

Good start Theodore Roosevelt!

by chilango2 on Jun 25, 2008 7:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Everyone:

JUMP!

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2008 7:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Overflow thread is up

Nobody cares about your fantasy league team

by carmen_fanzone on Jun 25, 2008 7:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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