Pregame Thread: Cubs vs. Orioles, Wednesday 6/25, 7:05 CT
by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2008 1:25 PM CDT
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Ask and you shall receive. I'm posting this thread early, you can all hash everything out till gametime, then if this one gets too busy, there'll be a "first pitch" thread.
Here's something that ought to get you going, from John Perrotto's column at Baseball Prospectus (may be $, not sure):
NL Rumors and Rumblings: There is growing sentiment among baseball people that the Cubs might be relaying the catcher’s signs from the hand-operated scoreboard at Wrigley Field to the hitters. The Cubs are averaging 6.5 runs a game at home and 4.4 on the road.
Jealousy's not pretty, is it? There's no one stealing signs. Nobody's in that board except the ground crew workers up there. Say, did it ever occur to "baseball people" that maybe, just maybe, the Cubs have put together a team well-suited to its home park? (And there are quite a few other teams playing well at home this year. Are they stealing signs too? How ridiculous.)
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I confess I know almost nothing about Brian Burres; he was originally drafted by the Giants and acquired via waivers by Baltimore two years ago. He's been a back-of-the-rotation guy for them since then. He has never faced the Cubs.
Ted Lilly has faced Baltimore many times, of course, playing in the AL East; the last time he faced them was two years ago. In 12 career starts he's 6-2, 4.24 vs. the Orioles. Kevin Millar, Jay Payton and Ramon Hernandez have all hit him pretty hard.
Today's game is on CSN and MASN; it should be on EI and at the MLB.com Mediacenter.
MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)
MLB.com Gameday (2008 version)
Baseball-reference.com game preview
OK, let's try this today: first pitch thread at 7:00 pm CT; first overflow thread at 8:15 pm CT; second overflow thread at 9:15 pm CT. We'll see how that goes.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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Didn't we already discuss
how unfair the wild card is?
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Second!!
It’s the new first. Go Cubs!
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
Attending my...
....FIRST Cubs game of the season, with my little brother (a fellow Cubs fan) in town from Florida for his FIRST Wrigley game.
We’re sitting in the bleachers…presuming I get off work early enough to get a seat, we’ll try to make it over to left field to say hello, Al. Probably won’t stay there, though….we’ll be hitting the Old Style and talking to the coeds (but always keeping track of the game)
I say let 'em wonder about what lurks behind the scoreboard
Maybe the opponents should change their signs every few innings just to be sure. This just begs for a coy response from management.
Cubs should wait for the next
100 degree day and invite the opposing team executives to watch the game from the scoreboard.
That is a pretty long way..
for someone to see a finger between the legs of a catcher. If they had a telescope and some binoculars hanging out of the scoreboard then the opposing team would have something to worry about.
But then the batter would need EXCELLENT vision.
Unless he’s speaking into a microphone connected wirelessly to the earwig inside the batter’s helmet’s earguard. That’s probably it.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
That story is ridiculous.
What, so the Cubs just figured out how to do this? So in all the decades they’ve been struggling at Wrigley Field it never occurred to them to steal signs from the scoreboard? If the concept were even feasible, wouldn’t the Cubs have won 20 World Series by now?
I’d love for whoever started this rumor to step out into the open so Sweet Lou can vaporize him with one withering glance. Absolutely ridiculous.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
With Roids, HGH, The Patriots aka The Cheatriots
tainting sportsmanship, I’m sure someone thinks this is truly happening. Pretty sad.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
Well, everyone's(but mine) favorite -Steve Stone
implied that during the weekend series on his pathetic Sox broadcast.
He’s a bitter little man, with no future in baseball, just with the Sox. How bad is that.
Stone has become a shadow of his former self.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
I knew Stone was arrogant
but this just shows he’s just a bitter ex employee.
Stoney has an obvious axe
to grind. He can’t get into MLB as an owner, (majority or minority), can’t get into management either, noboby will touch him. He has become an ass. He thinks he knows it all, and that he deserves to be a GM or management type. He’s been trying, but no one will touch him for the last ten years.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
It would be a lot more believable
if you told me someone stole their play book, scouting reports, something…. but stealing signs (signs that don’t always mean the same thing) just crazy. Whoever wrote that should be embarassed.
Go ahead, Z me.
What somebody needs to do...
Somebody in the bleacher needs to make a series of signs that say “fastball”, “curveball”, “slider” etc. and only hold them up when the other team is batting.
In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this -Oysterband
Brilliant!
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
Good idea!
Maybe they’re not in the scoreboard but in the bushes in center. The spies can be anywhere!
Go ahead, Z me.
Stealing signs from the grassy knoll.
Fastball. High…and to the left.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
No, I was.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Check the Zambrano film.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
That was one magic sign.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
If the Cubs have somebody in the scoreboard relaying signs
then he must have been taking a very ill-timed bathroom break during the last three at bats of last night’s game.
Or
didn’t have the sign for HIGH fastball.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
Good Article On Old Sign Stealing
This article by Rich Marazzi in the June 2001 issue of Baseball Digest goes over the 1951 Giants stealing signs. The article also chronicles an incident in 1898 involving the Phillies using a wire to steal signals.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
HBO did a great documentary on that a year or two ago
made a very compelling case that Bobby Thompson knew what pitch was coming before he hit “the shot…”
by bluekoolaide on Jun 25, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
It's the rats, I tell you
the Rats are being commanded by Scott “Willard” Eyre, who’s not only having them steal signs, but they are going into the visitor’s clubhouse and stealing their scouting reports and eating their post-game buffet, naturally.
Unfortunately, the Cubs will never be able to trade or release Eyre because . . .well, let’s just say it wouldn’t end well for Jim Hendry.
It's a girl! Born 1-18-08. 2246 PST. 8 lbs. 1 oz.
Just for AL a scouting report on Burres
Assets: Has solid sink on his high-80’s fastball, and mixes in a slider and change-up. Is versatile enough to be used as a starter or reliever.Flaws: His command needs to be almost perfect, since he doesn’t have the repertoire to blow hitters away due to his mediocre fastball.
Career potential: A solid middle reliever or spot-starter.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
Definitely. His ERA+ is 80.
I feel fairly confident the Cubs will do well offensively tonight.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
His numbers
do fill me with dread. An unknown pitcher with a 5.24 ERA- this tends to be the type of guy who pitches his first career shutout against the Cubs.
"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979
Yeah, I would've said that, too...
...about previous Cubs teams, but not this one. Let’s hope they don’t prove me wrong.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
What's the Weather like there?
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
Weather at Wrigley
See the weather outside the park.
http://www.cubworld.com/category/a_cubworld_cam/
Favorite Game - 'The Sandberg game" June 23, 1984
by Cub Fan Mike on Jun 25, 2008 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
In downtown Chicago...
...it’s partly cloudy, blue skies, presumably warm. (I haven’t been outside today. Chained to my desk working like a slave. Oh, and committing heinous acts of black magick against the Milwaukee Brewers. Yeah, that too.)
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Good
So no problem getting the game in tonight?
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
It doesn't appear so at the moment.
There were warnings last night and this morning that we could have severe thunderstorms today, but they never seemed to materialize. I should note, however, that I haven’t checked a weather radar lately.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
I live in Milwaukee
So I have to listen to all the Brew fans. 2 weeks ago everyone was ready for football to start. Now that they have turned it around somewhat they are getting Sabathia and are going all the way. Craziness…
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
sounds familiar
Before Edmonds: 24-16, (.600); With Edmonds: 24-13 (.649)
Edmonds with Cubs: .300 / .352 / .587
As for the signals, let me see....Cubs must also be slowing the game down like the Matrix
Because there is probably less than a second no more than two between the signal and the throw…and then one has to refocus on the pitcher…...
Hey right….old rumor….new media.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
Note to Al
Your “Baseball-reference.com game preview” link goes to the Cubs May 18 game vs. the Pirates. In case Al has already left for the game, here’s the link for today’s game.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Stealing signs has long been a part of baseball...
...and so I don’t find the allegation as ludicrous as some here do. Of course, that could also be because I’m not sure I’d be upset if it were true.
That said… the Cubs also have a lower ERA at home than on the road, a tough thing to pull off when your home park is Wrigley Field. Are Cubs pitchers stealing their own signs, too?
A runner on second
stealing signs for his teammate is one thing. That’s using the tools available to you to outplay the other team. If someone in the Wrigley scoreboard is stealing signs that’s called cheating.
But it’s not happening.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, about that cheating thing.
I really have a hard time becoming emotionally involved in allegations of cheating in baseball. There are plenty of guys who are in the Hall of Fame essentially for the quality of their efforts in cheating at baseball. I guess I just view it as part of the fabric of the sport.
[This is also why I’m not worked up about rumors that teams are selectively pulling different balls out of the humidor based upon whether the home team or the away team is batting.]
About the only time it gets to me is when the competitive integrity of the sport is in question – like throwing a game or shaving points. Cheating to win just doesn’t seem to bother me. I’m not trying to claim this is the only position or even the correct position, but it’s how I feel about it.
I see what you're saying
and I’d be living in a fantasy world if I believed Major League Baseball was 100% honest. And while I don’t condone cheating of any kind, something about outside cheating (a non-player stealing signs, videotaping plays, etc.) really bothers me.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
i wouldn't get worked up about it either
but you don’t think a non-player stealing signs about pitch location and relaying it to batters would be putting “the competitive integrity of the sport in question”?
no more so than PED...
and we all know how hard and fast MLB (Bud the CHUD) came down on the players when they got wind of that!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Competative integrity...
...is a very precise term, the way I’m using it at least. Obviously cheating is against the rules – that’s why it’s cheating – and for a reason.
But there’s a difference between cheating to gain a competitive advantage and cheating to arrange the outcome of the event. Stealing signs, using steroids, doctoring the baseball – all of those are attempts to better ones performance. We can argue over degrees and justification and whatnot.
But to do things like shave points or fix a game – then you’re not watching a sport, you’re watching pro wrestling. I can live with the first; I can’t live with the latter. And that’s what I mean about the competitive integrity of the sport – I can forgive cheating, so long as both teams are still out there trying to win, and the outcome of the game is in doubt. I can’t forgive it if the outcome has been decided beforehand.
interesting
good explanation of the distinction.
my own (more or less arbitrary) lines for what i’ll accept are a touch different.
but good explanation.
It's a matter of degrees.
I don’t know that any one person is more or less right about where to draw the lines. It’s interesting to think about, though.
Wholeheartedly agree.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
it is my understanding
that it is against the rules of baseball for a runner on second or the 1st and 3rd base coaches to signal the batter as to any signal from the catcher to the pitcher. too lazy to look it up though.
Before Edmonds: 24-16, (.600); With Edmonds: 24-13 (.649)
Edmonds with Cubs: .300 / .352 / .587
That might be so.
And I agree with the base coaches not stealing signs. But I’m fine with the nine guys playing the game to. And if a guy on second can pick up the signals of a catcher and relay that to the batter in time for him to make a concious decision before the pitch is thrown…well, that’s pretty amazing.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
One, I don;t care if the Cubs are stealing signs, as I’m sure it’s something everyone tries to do, if not succeeds at doing. Two, there’s so many other factors at play, it’s a silly accusation to make.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Maybe the Cubs
have hired Belichick to operate the scoreboard.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by tucsoncubsfan on Jun 25, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Bildo!
Let’s start it now! COME ON, YOU CUBS!!!!!!!!!!!!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Going to the game tonight...
LEZDOIT
The Baseball Prospectus article requires a membership, unfortunately.
CUBS WIN! CUE THE ORCHESTRA!
Thought it was a porn site
No wait, there’s a T in there after the Z – nevermind. :)
Wait a minute... who am I here?
Burres
LIGHT IM UP!
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
Bloody hell!
I did it yesterday. My spot won’t come up for another five games.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
EM instead of IM
and I’m not too sure about the !
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
it's an 'omage.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 25, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Going with the enemy
Have a group visiting from Baltimore. About to leave to get to the game meeting in the seats. Tomorrow we’re going to spend the morning downtown go to the game and dinner afterwards.
We forget how treasured and loved Wrigley is but my one friend is a huge baseball fan and was so excited he couldn’t sleep last night.
Go Cubs
glad you could arrange the get together...have a blast.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2008 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks
Been net friends for years with the wife/mom of the family in a non sports group. Have met her but not the husband or kids or her brother and sister in law who are all coming.
Go Cubs
by puckishcubsfan on Jun 25, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
ohmigod...
I barely stifled my laugh.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Why?
You weren’t there, right?
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Wasn't where?
There was nowhere to be.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jun 25, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I am nowhere and it was nothing.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Your a real nowhere man...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
coulda been somthing, this nothing man
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
I was standing in the middle of nowhere...
...wondering how to begin. Caught between tomorrow and yesterday. Between now and then (now and then, now and then).
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Same here.
Very subtle play by SWl. Well done.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Tigers' Inge loses battle with pillow, placed on DL
Not really fan post worthy, but I thought this was amusing….
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080625/SPORTS02/80625089
LOL
I mean, that’s gotta be a big pillow, right? Or maybe he sneezed while moving it…
"The ever-changing kaleidescope of raw reality would defeat the human mind by its complexity, except for the mind's ability to abstract, to pick out parts and think of them as the whole." -Thomas Sowell
"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse
Are you saying Inge is a pillow biter...err, fighter
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Stop channeling emaus_catuli....
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
All apologies.
(geez, how many rock songs can I reference in one thread…)
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Lets get back on track tonight!
"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.
This may be old news
But it’s worth the diversion if you read to the end.
Fantasy Baseball Owner Rips Team In Media
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
There was no hesitation whatsoever
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
TWSS
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
E-Patt in the 2-Hole instead of Theriot; Theriot back in the 8-Hole
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
has the lineup been changed then? E Patt was sitting according to the lineups given on ESPN 1000 an hour ago
Dome
Theriot
Lee
ARam
Soto
DeRo LF
Edmonds
Cedeno 2b
Theodore
Enter SWL: (holds up baseball and examines it)
Cedeno….2b….or not 2b….that is the question.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2008 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Whether tis nobler in the box
To suffer the high fastballs of outrageous fortune, or by taking bad swings to end it?
"The ever-changing kaleidescope of raw reality would defeat the human mind by its complexity, except for the mind's ability to abstract, to pick out parts and think of them as the whole." -Thomas Sowell
"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse
Oh, what a rougue and peasant shortstop am I!
Is it not monstrous that this player here,
But in a pinch hit appearance, in a dream of late-inning glory,
Could force his strike zone so to his won conceit
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Thus 0-2 counts doth make coward of us all
And…ah, screw it.
"The ever-changing kaleidescope of raw reality would defeat the human mind by its complexity, except for the mind's ability to abstract, to pick out parts and think of them as the whole." -Thomas Sowell
"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse
According to the Score, E-Patt was re-inserted in the Lineup.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
I hope so....I dont see the point of sitting him
...and impacting his confidence. He needs to get right back out there IMO.
Cedeno is used to sitting.
Where? LF or 2nd? 2nd or 8th?
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather they put Patterson at 2nd.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather the O's just forfeit these last 2 games.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Where's the fun in that?
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Who's concerned about fun? We have a WS to win...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Can't argue with that...
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
LF
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Why does that guy sound familiar?
"The ever-changing kaleidescope of raw reality would defeat the human mind by its complexity, except for the mind's ability to abstract, to pick out parts and think of them as the whole." -Thomas Sowell
"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse
Jimmyeatworld, (but he gets fatter)
Goodie1969, what’s up? Been home today?
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Tweaked my back (Not Moving Pillow)
Forgot Albers was on the Astros until last season.
"The ever-changing kaleidescope of raw reality would defeat the human mind by its complexity, except for the mind's ability to abstract, to pick out parts and think of them as the whole." -Thomas Sowell
"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse
Been watching your posts all day...
Knew ya had to be at home. Feel better brougham.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Naughty boy
Does Darkman know you scan the posts at work? Not very productive, sir. Tsk tsk.
"The ever-changing kaleidescope of raw reality would defeat the human mind by its complexity, except for the mind's ability to abstract, to pick out parts and think of them as the whole." -Thomas Sowell
"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse
Nah,
Dark Mavis no mind. (As long as I’m not doing it all day, and doing my work). Mostly I check at lunch hour & end of day.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah
When Mapmaker said Burres is sick, I thought he was being sarcastic.
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
Based on his numbers
that’s why I thought it could be a sarcastic note. But if he’s really sick and isn’t pitching, I hope Albers isn’t filthy/sick!
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
Specifically his hamstring.
Not good for tonight. Probably more precautionary than anything else.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
So, in the past 20 minutes on The Score
Bernstien and Holmes have insinuated the Cubs home record is due to sign stealing and amphetamine usage. Now I know why I stopped listening to that worthless vehicle-for-monstrous-egos station.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
let's just get this out of the way now
nice PK, modric. have fun at tottenham.
that is all.
Say goodbye to Adebayor and hello to Nasri, yet another
short, overrated midfielder.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
that's short, overrated...
midfielder’s who don’t score goals, to you! but boy, they sure pass pretty.
sigh. why’d i bring this up…
LOL.
We may disagree on footy, but we can agree on this: GO CUBS!!!!!!!!!!!!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
indeed
go cubs. i can’t take losing streaks of more than one game anymore.
I know. I've become
spoiled by this team.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
the coolest feeling about it
is that even when we’re losing, i don’t just feel like we’re GOING to come back I actually wonder “Hmm, who’s it going to be today?”. That is a lot of fun.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah.
I was never worried last night. I just assumed they’d come back, which made my disappointment all the more bitter when they didn’t.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Bernstein infects all those who unfortunately come in contact with him...
Maybe I need to call him again. Called him late last year when he was carping that Ramirez was sub-par defensively, and didn’t hustle. After I gave him his fielding pctg. and # of errors, and explained why he doesn’t always bust ass, he shut up. Had to argue with him and insist he tell me who was better based on stats, he couldn’t answer… so he hung up on me.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Bernstein=MDBNIU
except you said Bernstein shut up.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Apt comparison.
Yeah Bernstein finally shut-up. I had to take his approach. Beat him over the head with stats & insist he tell me how he could say that about Rami with all the evidence I presented, (fielding pctg., # of errors, Ramirez history of playing through leg & foot issues in Pitt.). Once he knew I would persist, he shut up, then promptly hung up on me.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
So thats how they are justifying the White Sox getting swept there
So if they justa s bad @ the Cell what is going to be the reason???
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 25, 2008 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Ninjas.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Who's supposedly taking speed on the Cubs?
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
All of them.
They’re better at home, because they can get rest, while, apparently, they don’t sleep on the road and their speed dependency kicks in.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
well they're chalking all of the team road woes
on to the lack of “Greenies”... which I’ve never heard of but am assuming are amphetamines of some kind. Its not just the Cubs the media is assuming it of at least, not that its much consolation.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
It's still stupid of Bernsie to imply it
and it smacks of sour grapes.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Agreed
It just wasn’t the only time I’d heard it.
:shrug: They’re just jealous that the Cubs are playing so well.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Likely so.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
That's the most idiotic thing I've ever heard...
Clean for fifteen years. I can tell you from experience that dependency doesn’t work that way.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
And congratulations to you, sir, for staying clean!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Thanks Gary.
It’s a daily struggle. But thankfully not much of a struggle anymore. I want to live.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Always good to hear.
Stay strong.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Echo'd from here
Congrats, and keep it up! We want you to live as well!
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks to you too, girl.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 25, 2008 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Albers, 2 starts this year
11 IP 4 ER
Career wise: DeRo’s 2-5, Theriot 2-3, Rami 0-4, DLee 1-4, Edmonds 1-4
Career vs Cubs: 4 games, 1 start, 9.1 IP, 5.79 ERA
Nobody cares about your fantasy league team
Stealing signs: I've had that in the back of my head for most of June
I have absolutely nothing to back it up – but have I have to be honest, I’ve had the thought rolling around in my head for most of June wondering if maybe they were stealing signs from the outfield / scoreboard.
That said, there is a difference wondering weather it was a possibility and claiming its happening.
Maybe I’m so unused to Cubs being this successful that I need to question it!
If the Cubs were stealing signs,
I don’t think we’d have seen Cedeno, Dome, and Blanco flailing like blind men last night.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Purely posturing... but...
when they all struck out – the thought honestly went through my mind that maybe they are too dependent on the signs they are getting and swinging blindly purely based on the sign.
Probably my imagination – but I do find it interesting that other people are talking about it too when i’ve had the thought it my ‘gut’ / intuition.
In my line of work,
that’s what we call “confirmation bias.”
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
100% agree -- it is all speculation.
which is why its a shame if it would start hitting major media.
That's their MO
They love a nonsense story, because they can use it to distract from the fact they lack more than a basic knowledge of anything they speak about.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
If that were the case
Then the Cubs would have not suck so bad in 2006, lol. Hell, not even in 97, 99, 2000, 2002 etc.
Althought I got admit....
people wondering how the Cubs are winning so much isn’t a bad thing. I never thought I’d be hearing people come up ideas like that
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 25, 2008 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Figures
I’m not home to watch the game on Tuesday and its on WGN… I am home to watch this game its on Comcast which I don’t have. ::sigh::
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:11 PM CDT reply actions
Yeah
but at least I get to watch game 3 of the college world series, which is a lot of fun.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm pulling for
Fresno. Who are you pulling for?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by tucsoncubsfan on Jun 25, 2008 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I love the Fesno story
But mostly I’m rooting for a good game. I don’t want either team to lose b/c of a blown call or something. :-)
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
or stolen signs...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
And SWL manages to tie the thread together
:-)
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
What the hell
Will this Cardinal nightmare ever end? lol. Man, I really dislike this years Cubs schedule and I wish they would face the Cardinals more often than the Pirates.
Yeah
I’ve been itching for Cubs-cardinals ever since the last series, which was forever ago.
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
Kyle Lohse is living on borrowed time
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
I was just thinking the same thing
Feels like a million years ago the last time we played the cards.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, boys & girls.
Gotta go home and feed the girls, (cats). Oh, and listen to Pat & Ron, score the game, and get some rest as well. See ya’ll later.
Jimmyeatworld
Talk to ya later. Have a good night!!
:-)
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
G'night
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Latest lineup
O’s
Roberts, 2B
Markakis, RF
Mora, 3B
Huff, 1B
Hernandez, C
Scott, LF
Payton, CF
Cintron, SS,
Albers, P
Cubs
Patterson, LF
Theriot, SS
Lee, 1B
Ramirez, 3B
Edmonds, CF
Soto, C
DeRosa, RF
Fontenot, 2b
Lilly, P
Fukudome scratched because of left-calf tightness.
All these lefty bats must be making
Lou giddy.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
We really need the middle of the lineup to come through tonight...
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by carmen_fanzone on Jun 25, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Ronny obviously back in the doghouse
as the Wonder Hamster gets a start.
E-Patt leading off is interesting.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Patterson, Theriot, Fontenot and DeRosa all in the same line-up
C’mon, put Cedeno in. Might as well have five second basemen in there. If Soriano was around….
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
That is positively Dusty-esque.
I hadn’t noticed that.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Awww, dude, why you gotta dude me like that?
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Well, the dude abides.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
It was the affirmative exclamation "dude"
but then, that’s probably a movie quote you’re dude-ing there, and I’m not picking it up dude
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
Duuuuuude.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Should be our motto
Don’t Do What Dusty Would Do.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Or something like that
SWL is the clever one. I just talk. :-)
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
and you have a silver tounge. ;)
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2008 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
twss?
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 25, 2008 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions
That's better than a
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Argh
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Runs the gamet from
Pesky to Scrappy to Hamster, huh?
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's to hoping they come through tonight and keep the "s".
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2008 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
you've got an extra "s" there.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Murton not in line up
For lack of scrapiness and failure to learn Cajun
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 25, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
thanks Bruce
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 25, 2008 6:26 PM CDT reply actions
varsho need a refill
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Murton officially thrown under bus
Ron just said that Lou said that if Jedmonds faces a lefty, he’s not going to pinch hit for him.
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
Learning has occurred.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
About time after his senior moments lately
Seriously, I mean, one of Jedmonds two homers that were hit in the same inning was against a lefty. And he pinch hit for Fontentot who had just hit a HR in an inning that they batted around in. Fewer senior moments please.
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
Well I didn't think it was a horrible move to pinch hit for Jedmonds
against their closer, but to go for Murton when you needed an extra bagger not just a single was the problem to me
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Hadn't he just hit a 3-run HR in a previous at bat?
I’m sure this has all been debated, and I saw the splits for JE against LH and Sherrill against leftys, so I understand that. But I woulda stuck with the guy that already produced a bunch of runs that day.
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
Lou pinch hit for Fontenot after he hit a HR on Saturday.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I know
But my biggest problem with the move is who he went to off the bench, not that he went to the bench. ::shrug:: Maybe thats just me.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
The adorable redhead
is not on Lou’s christmas card list, huh?
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Methinks that
our OF depth is a bit non-existent right now—especially since Murton currently resides in the basement of Lou’s doghouse. Orange hair in a doghouse. A golden retriever? Would Doggie Stalker know?
Just hope that Lou’s (Italian) Swiss Army Knife can stay healthy.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
MLB.TV is talking Lieber Retirement...
I didn’t have the sound turned on…but the showed a few replays from last night and then the graphic on the screen behind the reporter at the desk said “John Lieber Retirement?”
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2008 6:40 PM CDT reply actions
Oh no.
is he hurt? Is that why he never pitches anymore? (Other than last night?)
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 25, 2008 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Hope he's retiring
at the end of the season and not now.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by tucsoncubsfan on Jun 25, 2008 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
There was an interview with him
in the Trib or maybe cubs.com where he said he’s thinking about it after the season.
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
That story was in the Trib this morning.
Link.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
Thanks for the link
Sure glad it’s the end of the season. I was worried for a moment.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by tucsoncubsfan on Jun 25, 2008 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, thanks!
I missed the story entirely in the paper. I think he’s in a good place right now, executing as expected, and should consider a one-year extension in the off-season.
John Lieber....Major League Starter...20 game winner....
quitter.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Like
When Beuhrle accused Maddux of throwing spitballs?
Or when Beuhrle accused the Rangers of stealing signs?
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
I'll try.
I can only take so much stupidity, though.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Good thing...
... you don’t care about the Sox and don’t follow them.
Buehrle should envy Maddux. He’s a great pitcher.
And you of course know that accusations of cheating were common howls of whining by Cubbie fans about the World Champion 2005 White Sox. And you of course know that revealed the bitter envy and jealousy of Cubbie fans. Hence your anger. Truth hurts, no?
I think it may be Al on the grassy knoll with binoculars and a flashlight/mirror
Two flashes outside, one flash inside. Followed by morse code indicating one quick flash for off speed and two slow flashes for fast ball.
I have got it!!!! Al is the imposter for the Cubs hitting ability in Wrigley. I thought I saw DLEE looking toward left field last night. He was really squinting though. I think Al needs to get a higher powered flashlight. Ace Hardware has some really good models on sale right now.
Bwaaaahhhhhh,,,,,HAAAAAAAAAA…......HAAAAAAAAA…what a crock of sheeeiiiiitttttte!!!!!
Sounded like they asked for a volunteer from the audience
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
No kidding.
Let Wayne do it all the time. That was awful.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
OT:
Anyone looking for a nice everyday wine, try this:
Just had some for dinner and it’s quite nice.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
ah, always looking for a new wine or a new brew to try, thanks!
"My favorite umpire is a dead one."
-Johnny Evers
Beer, eh?
Just had this the other day. It’s a local brewer, but if you like German beer, you’ll like this:
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
ah, cool, I like trying the micro beer, especially like porters and stouts, but
weiss’s are great too.
"My favorite umpire is a dead one."
-Johnny Evers
They make a few varieties.
Three Floyds makes a fantastic Russian Imperial Stout, but it’s seasonal.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Everyone:
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