Overflow Thread 2: Cubs vs. White Sox, Friday 6/27, 3:05 CT
by Al on Jun 27, 2008 5:16 PM CDT
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If all is going according to plan... it should be just about Kerry Wood time.
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Lets win this game
dag nab it!
"In football the object is for the quarterback, also known as the
field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the
defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the
blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and
long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this
aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in
the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
"In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! - I hope I'll
be safe at home!"
by bubbamike the one and only on Jun 27, 2008 5:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Matt Murton should be wearing an Indians jersey
Murton for CC? wouldnt that work?
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
"Thats deep to left.....back back back HEY HEY!!! he did it attaboy Jimmy!!!!! woooooooo!!! tie game!! Thats for you Jack" Len Kasper 6/12/08
by Galvan316 on Jun 27, 2008 5:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Murton and a few others would work...
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 27, 2008 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
except for the tribe already has 2 underachieving outfielders.
by Trey2317 on Jun 27, 2008 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
They might want someone else.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 27, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
very nice transition
Geovany Soto you're my Hero
by love the ivy on Jun 27, 2008 5:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
C'mon Dome you're due
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 27, 2008 5:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mark Mulder has been Activated from the DL
He will initially pitch from the bullpen
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
"Thats deep to left.....back back back HEY HEY!!! he did it attaboy Jimmy!!!!! woooooooo!!! tie game!! Thats for you Jack" Len Kasper 6/12/08
by Galvan316 on Jun 27, 2008 5:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He'll never be the pitcher he was before.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 27, 2008 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone that wants the Cubs to deal with Billy Beane
should take a peek at that trade.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bobbled... 2 on
"My favorite umpire is a dead one."
-Johnny Evers
by MiCubsFan on Jun 27, 2008 5:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
COME WHERE ARE ALL THOSE 2 OUT HITS WE USED TO GET!!!
LETS GO EPATT!!
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
"Thats deep to left.....back back back HEY HEY!!! he did it attaboy Jimmy!!!!! woooooooo!!! tie game!! Thats for you Jack" Len Kasper 6/12/08
by Galvan316 on Jun 27, 2008 5:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
come epat
"My favorite umpire is a dead one."
-Johnny Evers
by MiCubsFan on Jun 27, 2008 5:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fuku on...2 on for.......awwwww dang....Patterson....
by razzpunk on Jun 27, 2008 5:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He does not like
that name. It’s disrepectful. He wants to be called Dome.
by sue369 on Jun 27, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
E-Patt gets on and DLee gets a shot at redemption.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 5:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully, that is
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no need to hedge
Doh
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jun 27, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're such a friggin optimist
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jun 27, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's just a cock eyed optimist
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 27, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too true.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coreyesque swing there Eric
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jun 27, 2008 5:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Did you know that you need 2 hitting coaches - one for power hitters and one for contact hitters?
the words of Hawk Harrelson. I am trapped in WGN hell
by Trey2317 on Jun 27, 2008 5:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Last week, DJ dropped this gem:
“Derrek Lee hits a lot of home runs, but he’s not a power hitter. He hits line drives, not those big moon shots.”
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Key to this game
DOUBLE PLAYS
Killed us
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
"Thats deep to left.....back back back HEY HEY!!! he did it attaboy Jimmy!!!!! woooooooo!!! tie game!! Thats for you Jack" Len Kasper 6/12/08
by Galvan316 on Jun 27, 2008 5:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that and bad pitching
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Mike Fontenot and Eric Patterson not catching the ball
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
epat k's
"My favorite umpire is a dead one."
-Johnny Evers
by MiCubsFan on Jun 27, 2008 5:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dammit. Awful swing from PAtterson there.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 5:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Okay, well, it's not ideally.
We have two members of our outfield on the DL, and the other two are day-to-day. SOMEBODY has to be playing.
by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
understood, just a little frustrated...
..oh for the days of Sori, Edmonds/Reed and Dome
by JB 23 on Jun 27, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he shouldn't be playing over Derosa thats for sure
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by DC Cubbie on Jun 27, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou better be fuming in the press confrence after this game
Its about time we had alittle tirade
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
"Thats deep to left.....back back back HEY HEY!!! he did it attaboy Jimmy!!!!! woooooooo!!! tie game!! Thats for you Jack" Len Kasper 6/12/08
by Galvan316 on Jun 27, 2008 5:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he should be pissed at himself for putting up a crap lineup and staying with Demp too long
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by DC Cubbie on Jun 27, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would that do?
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He won't.
His team is a little depleated right now.
by sue369 on Jun 27, 2008 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point
on second thought it would be detrimental if he did
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 27, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
honestly, a lou tirade here doesn't work. with all the media attention, it would only rachet up pressure and put the players under a bigger microscope
by Trey2317 on Jun 27, 2008 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously, who would want to read a Jay Mariotti rant about a Lou rant?
by Trey2317 on Jun 27, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why would you read Mariotti?
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
touche
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 27, 2008 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wwyrm
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, please, don't get the wrong idea - i wouldn't touch that.
by Trey2317 on Jun 27, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait for it...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 27, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey, i just set it up. it's up to you to knock it down.
which you did well
by Trey2317 on Jun 27, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does that mean that each rant would cancel each other out?
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Jun 27, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as in... "two rants make a wrong?"
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 27, 2008 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
isnt this about the time of last year tirade?
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 5:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Except we have the best record in baseball this year...
by razzpunk on Jun 27, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fact that worst case scenio still be up by 3 1/2 tonight
just is odd.
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So how is Pie doing in AAA?
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Jun 27, 2008 5:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Has a sprsined thumb. Was starting to heat up after a really rough start
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not there.
He’s in Mesa – hand injury.
by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, aside from the bruised thumb and being in Mesa, I'd say he's doing a great job
by Trey2317 on Jun 27, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
long bus ride from Mesa to Chicago. :-(
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Jun 27, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just meant
that he is not coming up if he is Mesa. I was being obtuse.
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Jun 27, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not like he got demoted for performance...
...he’s working out down there while he’s on the DL. As soon as his hand is healthy, he could get called up. So it’s not outside the realm of possibility.
by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is Mesa where Rich Hill
is working with a shrink?
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Jun 27, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hill's in Mesa.
No idea if he has a psychiatrist down there or not.
by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With apologies to all the armchair geologists out there...
a Mesa is a kind of Hill. Sorta.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 27, 2008 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather see a tirade on the field
by Champ Summers on Jun 27, 2008 5:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
how about a parade instead of a tirade
GoCubsGo
by MinnesotaFan on Jun 27, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
allright screw it, someone bean AJ
I know its not the right thing to do, but damn it I’d love to see it.
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by DC Cubbie on Jun 27, 2008 5:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's what he wants. More attention. Don't give that prick the satisfaction.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not tonight... there are still two games left for them to bean a Cub
another injury last thing we need
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone know why DeRosa isn't playing?
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jun 27, 2008 5:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Regular day off, according to Lou
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd a saved it for a day
when the team only needed 8 non-pitchers in the lineup
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jun 27, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any news on Johnson?
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 5:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
TWSWTN
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 27, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
corrction...TWSWTK
thats what she wanted to Know
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 27, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got it the first time
Guess I’m an illiterate Sox fan.
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jun 27, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damnnit, you beat me to it!
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Jun 27, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I miss our DL'ers
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 27, 2008 5:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Me, too, but let's not make excuses.
The White Sox just beat our ass today.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
grudgingly yes they outplayed
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 27, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They got the hits when they needed them
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Jun 27, 2008 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and their defense ... alas
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 27, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
K
"My favorite umpire is a dead one."
-Johnny Evers
by MiCubsFan on Jun 27, 2008 5:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Only down 6.....awww crap not Michael Wuertz!!!!! Anyhoo.....
as we set off on this road trip what is everyone’s best case and worst case scenario for the 10 games (3 against the Sux, 4 against the Giants, 3 against the Deadbirds)???? I will be happy with 5 and 5 myself…
by razzpunk on Jun 27, 2008 5:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking 5-5 as well
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Jun 27, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was hoping Soriano
would be In Des Moines tomorrow so I could see him play. The I-Cubs are playing a double header tomorrow so the Shark might pitch one of the games.
by sue369 on Jun 27, 2008 5:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not sure since they changed
tomorrow to a double header.
by sue369 on Jun 27, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be so great
to see him in a AAA park
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 27, 2008 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Micah Hoffpauir says hello from Iowa and would love to see Chicago againg soon!!!
by razzpunk on Jun 27, 2008 5:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's fascinating.
But first basemen aren’t like quarterbacks – you don’t need three of them.
by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can play OF just as good as EPatt.....maybe
by razzpunk on Jun 27, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, he can't, and that's acknowledging that Patterson is not very good OF'er
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just enjoyed all those hits he got while he was up is all!
by razzpunk on Jun 27, 2008 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TB enjoyed all the ones he let drop in front him, too!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay I get it you hate the guy as much as I dislike EPatt...
by razzpunk on Jun 27, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't "hate" him.
At least, I don’t. It’s not personal – it’s just that he’s a first baseman, not a left fielder. You don’t have to hate him to realize he’s a defensive liability.
by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't hate him.
I don’t hate any Cub player. That’s what you don’t seem to get. However, I accept that certain players have certain limitations. One of Hoffpauir’s is that he can’t play the OF. It’s just a fact, not any prejudice on my part.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good enough. Just would like to find a spot for him but I get it.
by razzpunk on Jun 27, 2008 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Daryle Ward weren't around, Hoff would be up, becasue that's a role he could fill.
But with Ward and Lee around, Hoff is crowded out.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I seriously doubt that a 28-year-old first baseman...
...is what the Indians envision getting back for Sabathia.
by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would take a package of multiple players for one or two in return.
We would have to trade Gallagher as one of them. Others involved could also include players currently on the 25 man roster. Some of the names: Smard, Hoff, Murton, Patterson, Blanco, Blanco, perhaps Theriot if they are sick of Jhonny P. Hendry is creative, and has carte blanche to get what the Cubs need. Don’t think for a moment that he can’t figure out a way for Heavy C. to be in Cubbie Blue by July 31st.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 27, 2008 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, but Henry Blanco isn't a trading chip.
Guys like Veal and Samardzija are what we have to offer.
by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he meant the other Blanco
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jun 27, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...what other Blanco?
The roster filler we have at AAA?
by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the one
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jun 27, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blanco could be a trading chip.
His defense and experience have value. Cleveland isn’t enamored of Martinez anymore. I’m not saying Hank would start. However, with other players, he could have added value. John- I meant both Blanco’s
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 27, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Hank White is two months from retirement, and the other guy is a career minor leaguer. I’m no expert but I don’t think either Blanco goes in any trade except as the 6th player.
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jun 27, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teams are generally looking for one or two very good prospects...
...not four or five middling scrubs.
by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That depends on what the Indians scouts think.
and the money involved. It also depends on what they think they can get out those players.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 27, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I guess multiple scrubs
are involved more in salary dumps—I’m thinking of guys like Bo Flowers.
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jun 27, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hank isn't going to retire just yet.
and sure Blanco AAA is a career minor leaguer. I’m talking about packaging players.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 27, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't radically increase the value of mediocre ballplayers...
...by increasing the number of them.
by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding! Really?
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 27, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must say you and DGU continue to amaze/amuse me
with how little baseball savvy you must think Mark Shapiro has. Or maybe you’re just under the impression that he’s the second coming of David Littlefield or whoever was on the receiving end of that 6-for-1 Herschel Walker deal many years ago.
Why oh why would any GM worth his salt want 4-5 middling scrubs (thanks cwyers) when he probably has 15-20 comparable players already in his system? Maybe ‘middling scrubs’ is a bit too harsh, but you guys are not looking at this from the Indians perspective at all.
Thanks for the laughs though. Keep ‘em coming.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 27, 2008 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
6-3 Lee
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jun 27, 2008 5:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
2 out
"My favorite umpire is a dead one."
-Johnny Evers
by MiCubsFan on Jun 27, 2008 5:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well Im back now
and I see we scored 3 runs…. 6 more in two innings
"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano
by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jun 27, 2008 5:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ward 1b... lets go Jimmy!!!!
"My favorite umpire is a dead one."
-Johnny Evers
by MiCubsFan on Jun 27, 2008 5:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
c'mon jimmy baseball!
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 27, 2008 5:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
jimmy k's sigh
"My favorite umpire is a dead one."
-Johnny Evers
by MiCubsFan on Jun 27, 2008 5:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OT: Got my Spore Creature Creator
just before this game. Can’t wait to go an geek out.
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 27, 2008 5:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What is that for?
I’ve heard about it; is it a Wii thing?
by AceCubbie on Jun 27, 2008 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A new concept from the creator of The Sims
for PCs take a spore and grow it into a universe.
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 27, 2008 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well....tomorrow we will get back at 'em......Sean Gallagher time baby!!!!
I would love to see him keep developing like he has been. Would be a nice shot in the arm after the last two veteran pitchers stunk it up…..
by razzpunk on Jun 27, 2008 5:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad I had to miss (most of) this game today
by AceCubbie on Jun 27, 2008 5:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
a bit disheartening this one
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 27, 2008 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tomorrow's another day, another game.
That’s the beauty of the 162 game schedule.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 27, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's it, Ozzie, leave in the regulars and get all the hits out of those bats.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 5:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I bet the Sux only score 2 runs tomorrow
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by BigJohnAZ on Jun 27, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just love that the Sox' regs are still in.
I hope they keep hitting.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
go royals, go twins
Someday we'll go all the way.
by Cubbinstrongsince86 on Jun 27, 2008 5:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
adios
bye everyone maybe i’ll be back for game thread of st louis later on tonight
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reed Johnson back next week in SF....Z probably will start against STL next weekend...
the healing will begin and we will get back on a roll sooner rather than later….then the big boost when Sori gets back on the field…...we are fine….
by razzpunk on Jun 27, 2008 5:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and a lot of season left...
GoCubsGo
by MinnesotaFan on Jun 27, 2008 5:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yep
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 27, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel better already!
...and I thought it was just the handful of M&Ms.
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Jun 27, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
10-3
"My favorite umpire is a dead one."
-Johnny Evers
by MiCubsFan on Jun 27, 2008 5:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wuertz decides to stink some more...come on dude!!!
by razzpunk on Jun 27, 2008 5:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Fukudome would have
had that ball to RF. No? Was it hit too hard?
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Jun 27, 2008 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, but that ball was stung
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many wins will it take to win the NL Central this year? 92??
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by BigJohnAZ on Jun 27, 2008 5:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's probably about right
Dome-san!!
by Goat Whisperer on Jun 27, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We go 43-39 the rest of the way, and we're good.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Jun 27, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
98 should do the trick.
good thing we’re already on pace for that. but i think 93 would get the job done
by Trey2317 on Jun 27, 2008 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
90-95
Someday we'll go all the way.
by Cubbinstrongsince86 on Jun 27, 2008 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am thinking 95....
..the Cards just wont go away..
by JB 23 on Jun 27, 2008 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many times this year have we given up 10 or more runs????
by razzpunk on Jun 27, 2008 5:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
this is only the third time, IIRC
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jun 27, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what I thought...really we have been in almost every game this year...just weird to have these blowouts back to back
by razzpunk on Jun 27, 2008 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it happens
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 27, 2008 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take this over a walkoff loss any day
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by BigJohnAZ on Jun 27, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
indeed.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 27, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Today, the team stunl. Yesterday, Huff was en fuego
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by BigJohnAZ on Jun 27, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the 3rd time I believe
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by BigJohnAZ on Jun 27, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
k... finally
"My favorite umpire is a dead one."
-Johnny Evers
by MiCubsFan on Jun 27, 2008 5:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Enjoy this one Sux.
Tomorrow is a new day.
by sue369 on Jun 27, 2008 5:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
on the plus side
I-Cubs are up 6-0 already. Josh Kroeger has a 3-run HR
by Trey2317 on Jun 27, 2008 5:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind seeing Murton down, Kroeger up
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soto 1b
"My favorite umpire is a dead one."
-Johnny Evers
by MiCubsFan on Jun 27, 2008 5:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Soto keeps hitting!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 5:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
couldn't hurt, could it? you'd have to open a spot on the 40-man, though
by Trey2317 on Jun 27, 2008 5:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jake Fox is still on the 40-Man, he'd likely come off.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or you could move Hill to the 60-day DL.
Or put Chad Fox on the 60 day DL.
Or…. there are a lot of things you could do, put it that way.
by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bedhead man
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 27, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
na na nuh nuh na na nuh nuh GEO-BATMAN!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 27, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but those handcuffs, Sue! Those handcuffs!
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 27, 2008 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just look at
them as eyes but maybe I should look at them differently.
by sue369 on Jun 27, 2008 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
geo : handcuffs : fun!
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 27, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for shame!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 27, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's the part
she thinks is the cutest. Other than Geo’s shapely, uh, thighs.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 27, 2008 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right
it’s his ears
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 27, 2008 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet he could crack walnuts....
Geovany Soto you're my Hero
by love the ivy on Jun 27, 2008 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is so awesome.
i didnt see the handcuffs until it was pointed out
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
murton flies out to left
"My favorite umpire is a dead one."
-Johnny Evers
by MiCubsFan on Jun 27, 2008 5:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
cedeno flies out to right
"My favorite umpire is a dead one."
-Johnny Evers
by MiCubsFan on Jun 27, 2008 5:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
.500 ball
today sucks but we’re pretty banged up right now. as long as we can play .500 ball while soriano is out then everything will be fine. to date 8-7 since his injury…. let’s get ‘em tomorrow!
by cubbiefanTN on Jun 27, 2008 5:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
Just keep our heads above water until we’re back at full strength
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
game over......
"My favorite umpire is a dead one."
-Johnny Evers
by MiCubsFan on Jun 27, 2008 5:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
um hawk usually you dont get excited
30 seconds after the play happens..
2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?
by Chanman25 on Jun 27, 2008 5:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Helluva grab by Dye there. Wow.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 5:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
our right fielder is better.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 27, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'll miss tomorrow's game...
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 27, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
let's hope Dye
left all his good fielding out there today. Our hits will fall in tomorrow…and Sunday.
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Jun 27, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, let's get 'em tomorrow.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 5:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well if we are gonna loose on any catch... Ill take that
Thats a web gem for sure… Well well well White Sox fans, you got 1 day to brag!
"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano
by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jun 27, 2008 5:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
To top it off...
..Demspter’s ERA ballons to 3.26. BUMMER!
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
by ronsanto10 on Jun 27, 2008 5:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Happy Friday Everybody
See you in the threads Sunday, going to the bar for the game tomorrow
"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano
by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jun 27, 2008 5:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Got'em right where we want'em
we’ll take the next 2.
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by BigJohnAZ on Jun 27, 2008 6:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting to contrast announcer calls of loss
between Sox and Cubs. At least L & B did so with grace unlike, um…
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 27, 2008 6:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No grace in the Hawk?DJ booth
unless Mark is there lol
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by BigJohnAZ on Jun 27, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hawk is a sad, strange little man whose idiocy
shouldn’t reflect on all Sox fans, many of whom find him as repulsive as we do.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
now now now
Although we all agree, lets not start the hate on the sox fans and their less then bad announcers, Supposedly we got class
"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano
by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jun 27, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, I'm done. For today ;)
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Jun 27, 2008 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't hate on Sox fans, it was just me saying
don’t chalk up Hawk’s behavior as typical of all Sox fans. I was actually kinda sticking up for Sox fans.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was joking
I do it all the time
"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano
by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jun 27, 2008 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my problem with the Sux announcers
is that it shows the LACK OF CLASS in the Sux ownership. To have people like that broadcast your games across the country shows how you want your team conveyed to the country. Blah!
No class organization. I personally don’t understand how one can be a fan of a team that is run that way. Personally, it makes it hard for me to cheer for the Bulls (though I still do) because I can’t stand the way Reinsdorf runs the Sux.
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Jun 27, 2008 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All Part of the Mktg Strategy
as laid out by Brooks Boyer.
“We’re the outlaws in town that wear black and leave all that goody-goody stuff to the Cubbies. Class is for yuppie scum. We represent the average blue-collar guy who keeps it real!”
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jun 27, 2008 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice way to justify
having low class “homers” as announcers. It still shows the class of Reinsdorf, et al.
Brooks Buyer can trash Cubs fans in the process. The jealousy drips from his words and those of Williams, Ozzie, etc… I rest my case.
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Jun 27, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you weren't a Cubs fan, you'd hate Len
He could be one of the biggest homers in all of baseball. He gets overly excited for everything.
Bob on the other hand is a very good announcer and I wish more were as knowledgeable as he.
by brewfan2 on Jun 27, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bob Brenly is a terrible announcer.
He’s biased and calls the game with an agenda. I can’t wait until he takes managerial gig. Maybe for you guys, when Yost is finally shown the door.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's Where Harry Was Great
He gave it to everybody, save maybe Stan Musial who was his favorite all-time player.
One time he said (and I paraphrase) “If a guy is horseshit, then I’m gonna say so!”
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jun 27, 2008 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never heard him say a bad word about Ryno either.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 27, 2008 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Derek Lee
is turning into an anchor and needs to be moved in the batting order. I wanted to trade him for pitching in the offseason, but then again, I don’t work for the Cubs.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.
by Matt Allison on Jun 27, 2008 6:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you must be joking.
who was going to be our starting first baseman? Ward? HOFFPAUER?
Lee is a gold-glove all-star.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 27, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think some people post stuff like that
just to get a reaction.
Anybody who says they want to trade Lee now, or last offseason, is a prima-facie idiot who knows nothing about baseball. I guess that’s a little harsh, but the truth hurts.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 27, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. We wouldn't have 49 wins this year without Lee
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by BigJohnAZ on Jun 27, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lee is just in a funk.
I assume you (Matt) would prefer lots of strike outs where he is not even making contact?
Lee will snap out of it.
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Jun 27, 2008 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, those 15 HR are really dragging this lineup down.
All players go through slumps. Let it ride.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You wanted to trade lee
you must be crazy
"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano
by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jun 27, 2008 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time To...
move him down in order for a bit, until he gets going again?
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jun 27, 2008 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's hitting .255
since April 30th. Batting him 3rd is ridiculous. He’s on pace to break the MLB record for GIDP. He’s 32. First basemen decline rapidly after age 30. He should have been traded for pitching this past off-season.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.
by Matt Allison on Jun 27, 2008 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say again
you’re joking. You must be.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 27, 2008 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The trolls left here and went to WGN radio.
E-Pat sucks, Ward sucks, Lee sucks, yada, yada, yada…
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 27, 2008 6:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And the host went right along with them until the guy called in saying Ronny should
get more time at SS. That guy got ripped a new one. Unbelievable.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the many things I dislike about this series
...is it brings out the worst in fans from both sides of town. There should just be 3 games a year and alternate home sites.
I would much rater be playing three more against the Cards at some point (maybe not right now with the DL issues)
by JB 23 on Jun 27, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's nothing wrong with dropping
Lee in the order until he gets going again. Your best hitter should be third and that is Ramirez, right now. I wish Lou would put a better defensive team out there. Epat can’t play left. I don’t blame Epat. The manager needs to put the players in a position to succeed. I’d like to see DeRo in left in Saturday’s game. And Cedeno is head and shoulders above Theriot defensively at short. I think Gallagher will have a good game if he attacks the strike zone. Let’s win the next two!
by Rick B on Jun 27, 2008 7:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Derrek Lee is an embarrasing right now
just pathetic. double play after double play. he leads the league in double plays (20). His average is dipping and is just annoying to watch. omg. enough of derrek lee, he’s getting to be a little overbearing.
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2008 7:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lou said in his post game
that E.Pat won’t be playing left anymore. When asked about DLee’s wasted opportunities with bases loaded he commented baseball is a lot of “what ifs”.
by mgfabc on Jun 27, 2008 7:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That now leaves open the question who WILL be playing left.
by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs could do worse than to just drop Murton into the lineup for a week...
...and see what he can do. The guy was solid if not spectacular for two seasons – do they think he just forgot how?
by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
word.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 27, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would assume Murton or..
...DeRo in LF and the sneaky power hampster or Ronny at 2b
by JB 23 on Jun 27, 2008 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or you try and make your defense stronger by putting Ronny at SS and Theriot at 2B.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Good idea. Ronny really looked good today, but I’d be very surprised if Lou did it.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 27, 2008 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure about tomorrow...
But I imagine Murton will be there Sunday when Buehrle pitches.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 27, 2008 7:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He had better be there tomorrow
Or DeRosa in LF and Cedeno at 2B if Dome can play RF.
I would prefer no more starts for E-Pat in LF
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 27, 2008 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cwyers/varsho/anyone else - thoughts on swaping Lee and ARam in the batting order?
..I think its a bunch of sports radio overreaction personally.
by JB 23 on Jun 27, 2008 7:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
At that point, it all plays into the personalities of the players.
How would Lee react to being moved in the lineup? How would Ramirez? I really don’t think it would matter from a run scoring perspective, so at that point it’s a matter of sports psychology. I defer to Lou on the question.
by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure it matters, but I don't really have reason for thinking that.
Nevertheless, here’s Derrek’s career splits, by slot in the order:
3rd, 1745 PA: .309/.388/.546
4th, 552 PA: .251/.353/.454
5th, 856 PA: .278/.368/.485
6th, 2002 PA: .278/.359/.511
Conversely, here’s Rammy’s splits:
3rd, 492 PA: .309/.354/.549
4th, 2624 PA: .287/.351/.501
5th, 1180 PA: .287/.332/.533
6th, 423 PA: .298/.352/.549
Now there are factors probably not taken into account here, i.e. who was in the lineup with Lee at a given time, but the numbers seem to suggest that the best thing to do with Lee is leave where he’s at, while it doesn’t seem to matter where Ramirez hits, because he’s remarkably consistent.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Derrek Lee DOES need to be moved in the batting order
He’s been playing like Fred McGriff this season. Looks like a 40 year old man out there. I like and respect Lee a great deal, but it is time to move him behind Aramis Ramirez on the lineup card. Put Kosuke in the # 3 hole.
GET Rich Harden !!! 11 starts, 5-0, 57 IP, 83 Ks, 2.15 ERA !!!
by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 7:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Murton, Hoffpauier, Patterson...CAN'T play the field
Hence the dilemma for all three of them to stick in the majors. Hoffpauier can at least play a decent 1st base, but then again he is 28 years old.
GET Rich Harden !!! 11 starts, 5-0, 57 IP, 83 Ks, 2.15 ERA !!!
by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 7:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Murton
is terrible. have u noticed that on every ab that he had the last 3 days he hit the first pitch. i mean come on work the count a little or just take a pitch
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2008 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
It’s ridiculous he keeps getting major league opportunities. He brings nothing to the table. If you need to call somebody up then mix it up and call upon another one of the journeyman types hanging out at Iowa. Say Josh Kroeger.
GET Rich Harden !!! 11 starts, 5-0, 57 IP, 83 Ks, 2.15 ERA !!!
by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i say trade him
the red sox have interest i’ve read. get what u could get for him. it’s not like he’s gonna help out the big club anytime soon.
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2008 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would the Red Sox be interested in a player they already had?
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
However, Murton is
our best defensive left fielder.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 27, 2008 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
reed johnson has made great plays
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2008 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reed Johnson is on the DL.
So, with the talent currently available, Murton is probably the best defensive left fielder we have that isn’t our starting center or right fielder.
by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs really miss Reed Johnson
In his absence I’d like to see the strategy be to play Mark DeRosa in left field, with Ronny Cedeno starting at 2nd. I’m not quite sure I understand either Lou’s fascination with Joe Dirt Fontenot. He is a terrible 2nd baseman.
GET Rich Harden !!! 11 starts, 5-0, 57 IP, 83 Ks, 2.15 ERA !!!
by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
why did my comment get deleted
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2008 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's Tomorrow Lineup
1 . Fukudome
2. Theriot
3. Edmonds
4. Ramirez
5. Lee
6. Ward (DH)
7. Soto
8. DeRosa (in LF)
9. Fontenout
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2008 7:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like it a lot
GET Rich Harden !!! 11 starts, 5-0, 57 IP, 83 Ks, 2.15 ERA !!!
by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and with Corey Jr's mental errors
this week, I would not be surprised if he is replaced in the AM. Lou has little patience for mental errors time after time.
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Jun 27, 2008 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want Fontenot manning a defensive position anymore.
He’s awful. Put Theriot at 2B and Ronny at SS until Sori gets back.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aramis Ramirez has been the best and most important hitter on this team ever since he was acquired
Baseball convention says your best hitter hits # 3.
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by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 7:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
4th
should be edmonds cause d-lee is just bad at the plate right now
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2008 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely should be third.
No question.
I’d like to see this until Soriano returns:
Fukudome RF
Theriot 2B
ARam 3B
Soto C
Lee 1B
Edmonds CF
DeRosa LF
Cedeno SS
P or Ward DH
Tinker to Evers to Chance.
by Matt Allison on Jun 27, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good lineup
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by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would you have Ward bat ninth?
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 27, 2008 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoops,
yeah, when there’s a DH, that same lineup but Ward ahead of DeRosa.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.
by Matt Allison on Jun 27, 2008 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
our bench
is so thin right now. It showed on tuesday when we needed a right hand bat and we bring up…. henry blanco. That would have been a good to have a reed johnson.
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2008 7:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
KC 3 Stl – 0 , Twins 1 Brewers 2
Someday we'll go all the way.
by Cubbinstrongsince86 on Jun 27, 2008 7:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Brewers will be in second
in less than a week. They’re the ones we have always had to worry about. The Cardinals are a joke, and LaRussa is running out of rabbits to pull out of his hat. I was kinda hoping to string them along a little longer though, to lengthen the misery for their “moran”ic fans.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.
by Matt Allison on Jun 27, 2008 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is it just me but...
how have we scored our runs except for some runs on wedns. HRs three solo today, on tuesday it was 3 runs by edmonds. its just a little worrisome that we can’t manufacture runs on the road. its obvious that we aren’t the same offensive team on the road as we are at home. something needs to be done cause they are polar opposites.
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2008 7:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade
Wouldn’t surprise me to see a trade soon guys.
Devin Hester, you are rediculous! -Jeff Joniak
by ARAM FOR MVP on Jun 27, 2008 8:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
what position would you go after with these injuries
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2008 8:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, I'd be going for a pitcher
which from what I hear could happen any day, and some type of 4th outfielder in the mold of Johnson.
Devin Hester, you are rediculous! -Jeff Joniak
by ARAM FOR MVP on Jun 27, 2008 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why trade for a fourth OF'er,
when they have Murton, Kroeger, or Andres Torres. Heck, Once Pie’s healthy, bring him back up. Adding another 4th OF’er would seem to fixing a problem they don’t have.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I want someone that know’s what he’s doing out there, and has his head in the game like Reed. Nothing against Patterson, but he isn’t really an outfielder.
BTW, I really hope Lou looks to play Ronny a bit more. His range saves hits which could have been runs. No way Theriot makes those plays.
Devin Hester, you are rediculous! -Jeff Joniak
by ARAM FOR MVP on Jun 27, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strongly agreed
Murton and Patterson are useless. Today Patterson killed the Cubs. You can’t have that defensively.
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by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
talk about 4th outfielder
Fred Lewis of the Giants is out there. Here’s what i would do: trade for Fred Lewis, Keep him in left until soriano comes back, use edmonds in center until reed comes back, and keep fukudome in right. Then when the big boys come back, you can use Soriano in left for the most part, use Lewis when you really need him in (maybe a blow), johnson/edmonds platoon in center, and fukudome in right like always.
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2008 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Instead of trading, why don't we just try out some of the guys
we already have. It costs nothing to bring up Kroeger or Torres.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really see nothing to suggest that either of them...
...upgrades our bench currently.
by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bench dilemma
Matt Murton, Eric Patterson and Mike Fontenot all suck defensively and lack versatility. It’s a problem. Surely there has got to be some stiff available on the open market that is upgrade to these bench options.
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by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 8:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
where the hell
did mike fontenot go? he was so good last year and he’s hitting .240 or something that’s is extremely bad.
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2008 8:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Everybody goes through hot and cold streaks.
If you buried Fontenot’s hot streak in the middle of his major league “career” instead of right at the front… well, he probably wouldn’t HAVE a major league career. He’s never been any good, really.
by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strongly agreed
He’s over-stayed his major league welcome at this point. He’s a bad 2nd baseman who can’t help you anywhere else on the diamond. The only reason he sticks as far as I can tell is his lefty bat.
GET Rich Harden !!! 11 starts, 5-0, 57 IP, 83 Ks, 2.15 ERA !!!
by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm worried about the pitching right now
Hence why I have my fingers crossed that Jim Hendry engineers a trade for a frontline starting pitcher very soon. I know it is going to be difficult to do given the paucity of quality talent in the Cub minor league system. All I know is that we can’t survive for too much linger with a pitching staff outside of Carlos Zambrano that is not comprised of innings eaters. Ryan Dempster has been lights out, but I think we all wonder if he’s been pitching over his head for a few months. Ted Lilly is a 6 inning pitcher. Jason Marquis is a 5 to 6 inning pitcher at best. I like Sean Gallagher’s upside, but right now he is just a rookie who is finding his way. Sean Marshall SUCKS no matter what his fans want to say on the subject.
Maybe IT is time to come around to liking A.J. Burnett.
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by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 8:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Harden
I wan’t Harden too. Some people are so fixed on Prior and Wood and they think somethings gonna happen. Role the friggin dice. This is why we haven’t won in 100 years.
With Harden, he’s under control. CC could go anywhere.
Devin Hester, you are rediculous! -Jeff Joniak
by ARAM FOR MVP on Jun 27, 2008 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would Harden be availble?
As you note, he’s under club control for several years, and the As are in serious contention right now.
by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still would like to know more about Tim Hudson
Frank Wren and the Braves are on the cusp of a full blown rebuilding program. They stand zero chance of hanging onto Mark Texiera. Given the impending retirement of Glavine, Smoltz and Hampton? Given the black hole they have in center field? Well then how about a trade of Sean Gallagher, Donald Veal and Felix Pie for Hudson?!?
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by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Braves also seem to think that they're contending this season.
While I might disagree with them, they seem to be looking to acquire a solid bat for left field, not dealing.
I don’t see Hudson being available.
by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, not to many GM's
come out on the winning end of deals with Schuerholz
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frank Wren is the GM
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by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schuerholz runs the shop.
Even if he is the Prez.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Atlanta has been in payroll shedding mode for two years, the blockbuster acquisition of Mark Texeira last year notwithstanding. The reality of their situation is stark….they ARE going to lose Texiera to free agency and Glavine, Smoltz and Hampton are a virtual lock to all retire.
Tim Hudson’s market value will never be higher. Again, I’m not sure the Cubs have what it will take to get him. But it will be less than either CC Sabathia (who is unattainable by the Cubs in my estimation) or Rich Harden.
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by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teams rarely like to run up the white flag...
...because it’s a sign to casual fans to stop showing up to games. It has to be pretty obvious that a team is out of it before they really consider selling.
You know what team is obviously out of it? The Mariners. I’d like to kick the tires on a Bedard deal myself.
by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Atlanta's attendance has been mediocre at best
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by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not exactly.
As you can see here, Atlanta’s averaging 30,000 and change per game, and they’ve already drawn 1.2 million fans.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worries, worries, worries
Reading these threads, sometimes it’s hard to believe this is the team with the best record in baseball and a 4.5-game lead.
Hey, all is not rosy right this minute, but did you expect this team to win 105 games? It won’t. This, too, shall pass.
If this funk continues for two more weeks, then there’s reason to be concerned. All things considered, I don’t think it will. And then a lot of people are going to look foolish for going overboard today and not realizing the yins and yangs of a 162-game season.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 27, 2008 8:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The worry is the pitching...
Nobody has their underwear up in a bunch over a “funk.” This is too good of a ballclub for that. The mounting worry is the strength and depth of the pitching staff. Pitching is king in baseball.
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by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could have had me fooled
You know the Cubs aren’t going to be getting any more starting pitching until we get closer to the trade deadline. And you know they’ll get somebody decent.
I am enjoying the heck out of this season, and I’m not going to let that get doused by the constant carping I see here from some people. If that makes me a Pollyanna, so be it. But I’m not.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 27, 2008 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From what I'm hearing...
...the Indians are looking for a solid bat at the corners with high upside; that doesn’t describe anyone in the Cubs farm system. The Brewers, on the other hand, have buckets of prospects like that. Other teams have guys like that as well.
by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 8:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But it does describe Matt LaPorta...or even Prince Fielder
I’m telling you do not discount the Milwaukee Brewers becoming significant players in the CC Sabathia derby. You can laugh at that all you want but right now they have a billionaire owner in Mark Attanasio that is sending clear signals he WILL spend to retain key talent and IS prepared to up the payroll in a big way.
GET Rich Harden !!! 11 starts, 5-0, 57 IP, 83 Ks, 2.15 ERA !!!
by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see no way the Brewers resign Sabathia.
I figure they trade for him, and then have one of the biggest drafts ever next year – with Sheets, Sabathia and others leaving for free agency, they would have an amazing bumper crop of first round picks.
by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For a small market team like them
that would be a very shrewd strategy.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is my opinion that Ben Sheets will definitely be re-signed by Milwaukee
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by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does Vitters fit that critera? Or is he still to unproven?
by JB 23 on Jun 27, 2008 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Indians aren't looking for a guy on Vitters' timeline.
They want someone who can start for them in ‘09.
by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moot point
Josh Vitters is too fresh of a draft pick to be traded via the rules.
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by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He could be a PTBNL in a deal.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
on the plus side twins just took a 3-2 lead over the brewers in the 5th
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 8:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
royals are up 5-0
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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