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Losing Ugly: Cubs 3, White Sox 10

There's no way to sugarcoat today's 10-3 Cub loss to the White Sox, so I won't.

As bad as the Cubs looked in yesterday's loss to Baltimore, they just about matched it in looking bad against the White Sox this afternoon -- their first loss to the Sox after six straight wins dating back to a three-game sweep on the South Side a year ago. It's their first loss at the Ballmall since May 20, 2006, a game which was notable for extracurricular activities more than the win or loss.

We won't head back in that direction now -- only say that this had better be a two-game aberration, because this game looked disturbingly like yesterday's. The Cubs had chances in the first and third innings and both times, Derrek Lee erased them by hitting into an inning-ending double play. This is how bad that has gotten -- that's 19 GIDP for D-Lee, a career high for a season for him even though only half this season is gone, and with half this year in the books that would put him on pace to break the single-season record, 36, set by Jim Rice in 1984. I'm worried about D-Lee; after a fast start and a bit of a slump, he seemed to be coming out of it recently, but has looked really bad this week. Maybe it wouldn't hurt to give him tomorrow off.

Ryan Dempster should have taken this day off -- he had absolutely nothing today, allowing seven hits and two walks among the sixteen batters he faced, capped by Nick Swisher's grand slam that put the game pretty much out of reach at 8-0 before the third inning had ended. Frankly, I was surprised that Lou didn't yank Dempster after he walked Jim Thome and Joe Crede to load the bases. Jon Lieber was ready, Dempster clearly had no clue, and maybe Lieber could have come in and gotten a ground ball to get the Cubs out of the inning. If that happens it's only 4-0 and maybe the Cubs make a bit of a comeback, instead of just getting three solo home runs as the proverbial "lovely parting gifts".

At least Lou used Lieber properly, as a long reliever today, having him eat up more than three innings, lifting him only after 53 pitches and a lefthander (Thome) at bat; Neal Cotts came in (to virtually no reaction from Sox fans even though he was a big part of their WS team in 2005) and dispatched Thome to end that inning. Lieber has now thrown two days in a row so don't expect to see him tomorrow.

So all the angst given about Daryle Ward in right field was wasted; Ward had three balls hit to him, all of which he fielded without too much effort. What we really need to discuss here is Eric Patterson.

I don't care about his "versatility". I don't care about his speed, or the handful of walks he's drawn. Eric Patterson is simply not a major league player. He made one error and allowed Orlando Cabrera to take second base on a routine fly ball to left in the first inning, which allowed Cabrera to score on Carlos Quentin's single. Obviously, in the larger context of the game those plays meant little, but psychologically, maybe they eroded some of Dempster's confidence (I can see him thinking, "What's the kid going to screw up next out there?"). Patterson doesn't seem to have baseball smarts. The Cubs really need someone else out there, maybe Matt Murton, who at least can play a competent left field, even if he doesn't hit lefthanded, something Lou seems to be overly obsessed with.

The crowd at the Cell was on its feet early and often, but after the big inning was somewhat subdued, possibly because of the annoying little rainshower that passed through the middle innings, never heavy enough to stop play. Actually, the most annoying fans in my section were a number of drunk Cubs fans, one of whom insisted on whistling very loudly into the ear of a young female Sox fan sitting in front of him. She asked him nicely to stop, and not only did he refuse, but he became nasty. Idiot fan behavior knows no team colors, as I am sure you all know.

The park itself is pretty much the same as it was a year ago when I was last there; because of the multiple renovations and additions there are some oddities that can become irritating. For example, because of the "Fundamentals" thing that was squeezed in above left field, you cannot see the main LF scoreboard from most of the seats from just past 3B to behind the bullpen, probably about 15-20% of the entire lower deck (you can't see it from the lower rows of the bleachers, either, as I found out last year, because a beer stand is in the way). Stopping by my seat was former Vine Line editor Jim McArdle, working on a book about this season, to shoot the breeze for a few innings.

At this writing, fortunately, the Cardinals are losing to the Royals in Kansas City 4-0 in the fifth inning and thanks to BCB reader Galvan316 for starting this FanPost discussion thread for anyone who wants to talk about that game. If that score holds up, so does the Cubs' 4.5 game lead.

It was a bad day at the ballpark (though there was virtually no traffic on my way back to the North Side, unusual for a Friday evening); relax, root for the Royals, and Sean Gallagher's going to get 'em tomorrow.

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...time I want to see a two-game stretch like that… ever!

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 27, 2008 8:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Kerry Wood comment on

the overflow thread might be jinxing us.

I'm a reader not a poster, but I'm also a poster so don't get any ideas.

by cozmotaylor123 on Jun 27, 2008 8:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I was thinking maybe I need to stop that...

... at least for now.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 27, 2008 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention the "Hope the rain is holding off!"

....since a 7-hour rain starting around the 4th inning would have been a blessing.

by ChipSet on Jun 27, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone who has any ideas for those one-liners...

... that are on the front page of the overflow threads, I’m all ears.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 28, 2008 4:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about just saying

“have at it…”

and then we just leave it to the forces of good and evil. No karma in your tone that way.

We are into karma big time out here on the left coast! :-)

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jun 28, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about... "First!" ;-)

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 28, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Jun 28, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Let's go Cubbies!"

or some variant thereof. You don’t have to be creative, you have the community for that… :D

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about "TWSS!"

we don’t have enough of that on this board ;-D

We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez

by Emelie on Jun 28, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

There’s never enough TWISS…:)

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Jun 28, 2008 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What comment?!

I just got back from a long day at work hoping to be able to watch a win. sigh

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If all is going according to plan... it should be just about Kerry Wood time.

I'm a reader not a poster, but I'm also a poster so don't get any ideas.

by cozmotaylor123 on Jun 27, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah.

got it.

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tough game to lose

but I’d be happy with a win tomorrow and another on Sunday.

I’ll have to record the game tomorrow since I will be at the I-Cubs game.

by sue369 on Jun 27, 2008 8:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fun!

You should post if anything awesome and interesting happens. :)

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scarry part is...

that we are basically scoring only on HRs last few games. If that is all we got, it will be a long 2nd half of the season.

DLee’s double play tendencies need to stop right now! Forget the HRs Derek, just drive the ball for singles and doubles, and we will be happy campers. Everybody else except the Cubs seem to be hitting doubles like there is no tomorrow. We need to get a few.

Let’s get em tomorrow.

If you think you've seen it all...just wait!

by CubFanSince1970 on Jun 27, 2008 8:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It is time to permanently pull the plug on Murton and Patterson

Enough is enough. Surely there are better options available on the scrap heap or via simple trade.

GET Rich Harden !!! 11 starts, 5-0, 57 IP, 83 Ks, 2.15 ERA !!!

by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 8:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We know you hate Murton.

However, he can at least play left field. Patterson can’t. Patterson’s misplay on Tuesday night probably cost the Cubs that game.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 27, 2008 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

which will happen first?

Johnson back or Soriano back? And we complaiend about Soriano’s defense..Patterson is alot worse, but its true that it makes no sense to play in at second base at Iowa then expect him to play left with the Cubs.

by jeff_pico on Jun 27, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the interim...

...Mark DeRosa should play full time in left field with Ronny Cedeno at 2nd. As far as I’m concerned you can lump Mike Fontenot in the useless category with Matt Murton and Eric Patterson. Unless you are a professional hitter and pinch hitter deluxe like Daryl Ward you MUST be able to play defense and have a measure of versatility to be a utility player in this league.

GET Rich Harden !!! 11 starts, 5-0, 57 IP, 83 Ks, 2.15 ERA !!!

by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you are going to play Cedeno

he should be at SS and Theriot at 2nd. Cedeno is a much better SS than Theriot. We need to put a better defense on the field. Lou has been sacrificing defense for his left handed fetish.

by Rick B on Jun 28, 2008 5:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed!

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 28, 2008 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

SOLD

Eat More Katsui

by CaliCub on Jun 28, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably Johnson...

... who is due back next Thursday.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 27, 2008 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

none too soon

Johnson really helps our bench this year. The only knock anyone has against him is that he can’t hit right handers but he’s not that horrible at it.

by jeff_pico on Jun 27, 2008 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That news rocks.

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I totally agree

does lil happy dance

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes.

Because Micah HOFFPAUER can play left field!

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jun 27, 2008 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pull the plug? KILL Morpheus?!

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Jun 28, 2008 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

didn't get to see the game

sorry to hear EPatt performed so poorly. I was hopeful, given some of the nice at bats I’d witnessed, that he’d be a nice complimentary piece for us. Is he as bad at 2nd as he’s shown in left so far?

by daily2b on Jun 27, 2008 8:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cross fingers that Sean Gallagher is on his game tomorrow....

With Sean Marshall going on Sunday we run the distinct risk of blowing out the bullpen in a few days.

PLEASE Jim Hendry, go get a frontline starting pitcher soon.

GET Rich Harden !!! 11 starts, 5-0, 57 IP, 83 Ks, 2.15 ERA !!!

by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 8:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Two things you missed, Al

Eric Patterson wasn’t the only one who was awful on defense; Mike Fontenot dropped a nice throw from Patterson that would have nailed Cabrera later in the game, further proving that he, also, is not major league player. Secondly, we did get a taste today of what a SS with major-league caliber defensive skills is like. Cedeno made at least 3 plays today that I feel confident in saying Theriot would not have made.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 8:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fontenot also couldn't make the play on the 1st inning flair by Orlando Cabrera

Mark DeRosa would have gotten to that ball.

GET Rich Harden !!! 11 starts, 5-0, 57 IP, 83 Ks, 2.15 ERA !!!

by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe.

I won’t fault Fontenot for that one. Those knuckling liners are really tough to handle.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True, but ....

... by the time Fontenot made that play the game was far out of reach.

Cedeno did make several nice plays, I agree that Theriot would NOT have made any of them.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 27, 2008 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and BTW, Brian Roberts

showed that we have no 2B player with a range like that. OMG!!!

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jun 28, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al, will you and BCB be mentioned in McArdle's book?

Hope so since we’re the best Cubs blog there is.

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Jun 27, 2008 9:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Jim has been out with us in the bleachers several times...

... and probably will be again, so my guess is yes.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 27, 2008 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spent some time reading over Tribe fan sites...

...and they all seem to want Soto for Sabathia. For what its worth.

by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 9:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not a chance.

ha ha ha ha ha. That’s so absurd I don’t even know what to say.

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, the funny thing is...

...Soto’s pretty much the only thing that we have as far as a blue chip position player prospect right now, which is what the Tribe is looking for. It’s no more absurd than what I’m reading here on BCB.

by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fine

But a Rookie All-Star catcher who will be crazy legit for a long time (health/development permitting) is way too valuable. If that’s the price, I don’t want CC. He can stay in Cleveland, and I still think we should check in on Maddux again.

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right.

If that’s the price for CC, Cub fans should get used to idea of either Randy Wolf or Greg MAddux in Cubbie blue.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maddux

I’d also do a happy dance for

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too.

Sounds like a win-win. I still love the idea of Gallagher getting to learn from him for a while.

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm down with that.

Not as awesome, but fine.

FYI, Cards just scored in the bottom of the 8th, 5-2 with 2 out, runners at 1st and 2nd, pitching change.

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Go Royals!!!!

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops, meant top of the eighth.

strike out for ramirez. Going to the bottom of the eighth. :D

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you, that I don't want to make that deal.

But we’re not going to be able to put together a package of Mark DeRosa or whatever and get Sabathia.

by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally fair, we agree.

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably not.

If Milwaukee wants him, and are willing to deal LaPorta and/or Gamel, he’s likely theirs for the taking.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Noooooo

Not Soto. Give ‘em ePat, and the Hamster, and throw in MDBNIU to be bench coach or asst GM.

by santo4hof on Jun 27, 2008 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hee hee. +1

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LMAO @ santo

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OMG

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again...

...its funny right until you realize that that’s essentially Sabathia’s market price.

by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's still funny even then.

It’s just funny because it’s true.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol.

Awesome

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, what do you expect?

If you were in possession of CC Sabathia then for starters you would ask for a Geovany Soto or Carlos Marmol. For starters.

GET Rich Harden !!! 11 starts, 5-0, 57 IP, 83 Ks, 2.15 ERA !!!

by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They may be able to exact that price from Milwaukee, but not from the Cubs.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right.

Which is why I’m betting that Milwaukee, or Tampa, or maybe LA ends up with him.

by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tampa is an interesting option.

That would be a pretty intimidating rotation: Kazmir, Shields, and Sabathia at the top….

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope they exact it from someone outside of our division.

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Ben Sheets and CC Sabathia in the same rotation would be deadly come playoff time. Milwaukee or St. Louis WILL win the wildcard.

GET Rich Harden !!! 11 starts, 5-0, 57 IP, 83 Ks, 2.15 ERA !!!

by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

anyone seen

the new format at mlbtraderumors .com?

by BradB311 on Jun 27, 2008 9:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's pretty harsh.

MLBTR is a clearinghouse and Tim does a good job over there.

That said, the new format… pretty shocking, actually. Hard to follow. Don’t really like it.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 28, 2008 4:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Greg Maddux

I have to wonder if Sean Marshall, Felix Pie and Matt Murton might get Kevin Towers’ interest. I could care less if we lose any of those three. Maybe San Diego thinks that’s enough?

GET Rich Harden !!! 11 starts, 5-0, 57 IP, 83 Ks, 2.15 ERA !!!

by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 9:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's too much.

Murton and a fill-in should be enough. Maddux has full no-trade protection, so San Diego can’t afford to ask for much; it’s a small market for his services because there’s only three or four teams he’ll go to.

by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Murton and a fill-in arm, or a position player?

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does it matter?

Maybe they can have Kyler Burke back.

by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL.

I was just trying to put the package together in my mind. Maybe Murton and Donaldson?

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, that's fine. Let's toss them Murton if they'll take it, Pie or Marshall if they won't

Put Marquis in the pen after Z is back in the rotation and call it good. I like that scenario a lot actually.

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sigh...

Please explain to me again this wondrous market value you seem to think Matt Murton possesses. There is no team in the majors who would consider him suitable everyday or 4th outfielder material. He plays one position (poorly) and hits singles from the right side of the plate.

GET Rich Harden !!! 11 starts, 5-0, 57 IP, 83 Ks, 2.15 ERA !!!

by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please explain to me why the Padres can get anything more than that...

...for three months of a back-of-the-rotation pitcher who enjoys full no-trade protection.

by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't think Maddux would gladly waive that no-trade to play for a World Series contender???

Maddux would give anything to get out of San Diego purgatory and finish the final three months of his career on a World Series contender.

GET Rich Harden !!! 11 starts, 5-0, 57 IP, 83 Ks, 2.15 ERA !!!

by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but we're one of two or three teams that he would do that for.

And since the Cubs aren’t competing with as many other teams for his services, that lowers his trade value. If Matt Murton is the highest trade offer the Padres can get from a team that Maddux would go to, they’d probably take it.

by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well....

Plausible argument can be made that the Red Sox, Yankees, White Sox, Tigers, Angels, Phillies, Cardinals, Brewers and Dodgers may all have serious interest in Greg Maddux. And I’ve got to believe that if any one of those teams (plus the Cubs) professes interest in his service that he would definitely waive his no-trade in order to finish the final weeks of his brilliant major league career in a playoff race.

GET Rich Harden !!! 11 starts, 5-0, 57 IP, 83 Ks, 2.15 ERA !!!

by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, and if all of those teams are interested...

...(which I doubt) Maddux doesn’t have to approve all of them. He hates the AL, so the Sox, Yankees, Tigers, and Angels are out. No way he wants to play for the Phillies or Cards. So he’ll say “Cubs, Brewers or Dodgers.” And that drives down his value, because every major league team knows that.

by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tack on the fact that the Brew Crew would prefer Sabathia

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

where do you get this crap from?

Just because you pretend teams have interest in Maddux, doesn’t mean that it is so. Much like your belief that the Cubs top choice in the trade market is Harden. Making stuff up to support your claims is quite annoying.

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Jun 27, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he makes it up.

talking to him is pointless. you might as well go and argue with your wall

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just for an example

Take the Angels:

John Lackey
Joe Saunders
Ervin Santana
Jered Weaver
Jon Garland

Now honestly, where in their rotation would they put Maddux? Answer me that question and where you heard the Angels were interested in Maddux, I know you won’t because you have no answer. Which is exactly your M.O., when someone proves you wrong (which happens all the time) you run and hide and make no answer.

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Jun 27, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reading is fundamental

I listed all of the playoff contenders. And yes it is plausible between now and July 31st that each of those teams could have interest in acquiring Greg Maddux. Injuries happen, ineffectiveness happens.

The POINT I was trying to make is this…Greg Maddux is going to play professional baseball for 3 more months. I am sure he relishes the opportunity to play on a legitimate World Series contender. If that meant agreeing to a trade to say, Boston, then I’ll bet the ranch he would agree to it.

GET Rich Harden !!! 11 starts, 5-0, 57 IP, 83 Ks, 2.15 ERA !!!

by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Playoff teams?

Tigers are a playoff team? And the Twins aren’t? You had absolutely nothing in your post about playoffs, especially since you didn’t even have the correct teams on there. And the Yankees are a legitimate playoff team? Why not the Rays?

You post had absolutely nothing to do with “playoff contenders” and you are just using that as a reason for making your claim that all those teams had serious interest in Maddux. Now, what’s your next excuse?

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by DTJchris on Jun 27, 2008 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sounds like a lot

given that all we got for him was Isturiz

by daily2b on Jun 27, 2008 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

Sean Marshall sucks. As we shall unfortunately see again this Sunday he is not major league starting material.

GET Rich Harden !!! 11 starts, 5-0, 57 IP, 83 Ks, 2.15 ERA !!!

by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

because he's a young arm with talent and petco is a pitchers park.

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sigh...

And Matt Murton is replacement grade left fielder, and Eric Patterson looks a lot like Chase Utley…..

It never ends.

GET Rich Harden !!! 11 starts, 5-0, 57 IP, 83 Ks, 2.15 ERA !!!

by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never said to trade epat.

Murton is fine by me, I just don’t think they’ll take him. I think Marshall is a good enough prospect with a lot of years in front of him. I think they’d bite.

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, you need to cut

the Eric Patterson is Chase Utley bit out. No one ever, ever said that. All that that poster said was their batting stances are similar. That was it. Reading is a skill. I suggest you acquitre it and stop covering over you inability to properly discern the written word with cheap rhetorical tricks.

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by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+11111

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by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rewind four days ago and get back to me

You were also front and center professing adoration for Eric Patterson.

GET Rich Harden !!! 11 starts, 5-0, 57 IP, 83 Ks, 2.15 ERA !!!

by MDBNIU on Jun 27, 2008 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Eric Patterson is good player.

I do not, however, think he is anywhere close to Chase Utley. Once again, you don’t even begin to comprehend anything written to you.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to disagree with you here.

As I posted in the recap, Eric Patterson is not a major league player. If he didn’t hit lefthanded, he’d never have left Iowa.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 28, 2008 4:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well,

I’m stopping short of making that judgment because I don’t feel Patterson has been put in the best position to succeed, that is, he hasn’t gotten any time at second. If he can’t handle his defensive responsibilities there, either, then I’ll readily agree with you. However, I do like his speed and I think he handles the bat well, too.

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by gary varsho on Jun 28, 2008 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

rewind four days

and you sound just the same.

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by drewishdrewid on Jun 27, 2008 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

gwood: Pesky’s stance and swing remind me a little bit of Chase Utley. If only Pesky could be that good, huh?

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by northsider on Jun 28, 2008 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No matter what facts are presented

Blue Mike is never wrong, no matter how wrong he really is. It’s getting to be very annoying. I think everyone is entitled to their opinion, but Blue Mike just makes things up, lies, insults, insinuates, says people say things they don’t.

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by DTJchris on Jun 28, 2008 2:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no, you never do...

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jun 27, 2008 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still think he comes through in the clutch situation late.

I just have a hunch.

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's too smart of a pitcher.

And seriously, who has more proven late season experience and is on the market? There’s that whole sentimental thing too.

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually agree with MDNIU

I’m not a big Marshall fan :( not confident in his start Sunday hope he proves me wrong.

by jeff_pico on Jun 27, 2008 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maddux

Heck I would imagine just one ‘prospect’ would bring in Maddux. I don’t think many other teams is going to want him.

by jeff_pico on Jun 27, 2008 9:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

6-5 Brewers bottom of 7th

but two are on and two are out.

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by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Twins tie it up!!!!!!!

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by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 9:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

YESSSSSS!!!!!

Thank you MINNEAPOLIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

(Thank you Madison, too)

Royals have 2 out with a runner on second, btw.

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like the Cardinals are going to have a hard time coming back on Soria

Brewers/Twins is still up for grabs lets hope they can get a lead and get it to Nathan.

by jeff_pico on Jun 27, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DeJesus!

7-2 Royals

Dome-san!!

by Goat Whisperer on Jun 27, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know, that was so sweet!!!!!

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's been pretty hot of late..

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by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

twss

does it count when it’s not during a game?

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by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure.

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by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say it's legit. :)

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

runners at 2nd and third

I’d love them to make this ridiculous.

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was almost 7-6

but braun throw to Kendall nailed a runner @ the plate.

not a prob got brewer game on radio anyways

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by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 9:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not ready to give up on EPatt

Clearly he is not a LF, but that doesn’t mean he can’t play second. I still like him better than Fontenot.

Zambrano viciously attacked a pair of watercoolers for the crime of being within his line of vision. It was a classic battle of man versus inanimate object.

by berselius on Jun 27, 2008 9:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

Patterson stinks in LF, but he doesn’t fill out the lineup card. Lou needs to give him a shot at 2B.

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by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be down with that...

move DeRosa to Left?

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least until Sori gets back.

Throw a few spot starts at Murton and maybe call up Kroeger if Murton continues to be ineffective at the plate, as well.

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by gary varsho on Jun 27, 2008 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would work for me.

I agree that Pesky has potential—he’s sort of a defensive disaster at the moment though. :(

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

seriously

I asked earlier if anyone had an informed opinion of his abilities at 2nd, I don’t recall ever seeing him play there.

by daily2b on Jun 27, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

doesn’t look to smooth…

by daily2b on Jun 27, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw those ST appearances.

They were … fair. Not the kind of guy I’d want playing 2B for me on a playoff contender.

Patterson has to go back to Iowa. Now.

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by Al on Jun 28, 2008 4:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's got potential.

but he’s still very rough.

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by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2008 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lee might have gotten that throw..

well…maybe.

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by Bump Bailey on Jun 27, 2008 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think DeRosa needs to stay at 2nd

not just until Soriano gets back in LF, i’d be reluctant to give E-Pat the shot at 2nd because i think DeRosa is a vital part to this team, maybe its just my bias with him, but he defines the every day ballplayer.

by maddux1-27-07 on Jun 27, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, well here are your options:

1) DeRosa plays left, one of Patterson/Fontenot/Cedeno plays second.

2) Murton plays left.

That’s pretty much it.

by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ooption 1

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by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely 1.

I was all for DeRosa at 2nd until I saw our other defensive options in the OF. And if we have a viable alternate 2B? Dude.

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Cedeno is the lucky winner of the Scrappy's Sidekick Sweepstakes...

wouldn’t the Cubs’ D be better served by Cedeno at SS and Theriot over at 2B?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 27, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For some reason, Theriot is the player on the Cubs...

...least likely to play outside his position not named Lee or Ramirez.

by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, that "some reason" is obviously Lou's infatuation with Scrappy at short

so I wasn’t thinking it would actually happen, but I was just wondering what the Sabermagician’s crystal ball would say about the best defensive lineup if those two were in the middle.

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by ballhawk on Jun 27, 2008 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I was allowed to wish for things like that...

...it’d be Murton in left, DeRosa at second, Cedeno at short. If.

by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jun 27, 2008 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just checked.

Theriot has not played at any other position than short this year, and has only been removed from a game once – in Lieber’s only start, as part of a double switch.

by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

SS sweepstakes also means you don't play SS you play 2nd

correct?

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by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Twins are only a 1/2 game behind White Sox

Yet another reason to cheer for them this weekend

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by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 9:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We NEED to get the next two from the Sox!!!

And I HATE that I will likely not be able to join you all for the 3rd game in a row tomorrow. :(

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DP Royals!

2 Down, Cards down to their last out.

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

MAUER!!

Twins lead!!

Dome-san!!

by Goat Whisperer on Jun 27, 2008 9:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Mauer HR

Twins lead 7-6

by jeff_pico on Jun 27, 2008 9:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

EXCELLENT!!!!!!!

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ROYALS WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Flyout to Left!

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

""claps"""

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by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 9:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

well at least if we play like shit

the cards and brewers can lose too

by BradB311 on Jun 27, 2008 9:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

or buddha for that matter

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by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or Joe Pesci?

;)

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm so glad someone got that. :)

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank God.

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

or thank DeJesus...

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by ballhawk on Jun 27, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol. nice.

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

one out

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by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 9:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Do the twins still play in the dome?

I don’t remember it being that loud when I was there…

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Dome is the loudest venue in all of sports

It’s also one of the worst

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Jun 27, 2008 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said, was only there once, and it wasn't very crowded.

Did get to see Kirby before he retired though. That was cool.

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and yeah, I wasn't very impressed with the facility

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget...Minnesota pipes faux music/fan noise thru their speakers to get the dB up to 100000

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by dtpollitt on Jun 27, 2008 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep they are still there

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by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 9:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cool.

It was years ago…and they weren’t great that year, so wasn’t very crowded. I just remember being shocked at how quiet it was.

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brewers down to their last out

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by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 9:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Word.

Fielder to the plate.

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

damn braun

got a hit and fielder is up to bat. he’s been slumping . 0-16

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by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 9:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That actually scares me. He sounds due.

Come on Nathan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

0-17!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 10:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Twins win!

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by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 10:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

We didn’t lose a game. Thank God and DeJesus.

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 10:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

11 in a row for Twins

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by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 10:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

2/3 of a Good Day

Ice Cube had a good breakfast and there was no smog. However, he did have to pull his AK.

Dome-san!!

by Goat Whisperer on Jun 27, 2008 10:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

royals arent really that bad this year.

they are only 5 games below .500 right now.

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by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 10:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Maddux to the Cubs?

I know fans still want him back with the Cubs, but all I can expect from him is somewhat better pitching performances than Marquis. He won’t be the answer to the playoff SP roster, but he would not cost alot of prospects. Still, I consider him the last option for the Cubs.

by Geo4MVP on Jun 27, 2008 10:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey, someone who saw the game earlier (or the lineup) did Dome play today?

If not, is he back tomorrow?

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 10:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

How'd he look?

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He did play today

But he played DH. He might be the DH again, but I think Lou should not place Ward in RF.

by Geo4MVP on Jun 27, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really want him back in full force.

He’s so great.

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Cubs are really cautious with theier players right now

Lou actually rested Theroit and Dero so he can avoid any more injuries. I agree with his moves so far and the Cubs should play conservative while the Cubs are in June. They are VERY LUCKY these injuries are happening now and it would be wise to rest the main players for a bit longer. Thus, they will be primed and ready for July, the Dog Days of the season, and of course September.

by Geo4MVP on Jun 27, 2008 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All true.

I’d love to get over that whole 50 wins thing though. :P

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

me too. :)

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by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha...same here

But as long as the Cubs can win 90+ games this season, then they should be fine.

by Geo4MVP on Jun 27, 2008 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep its a marathon

or better example is a duathlon

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by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahh.... that takes me back to some of those fine Cleveland Indians teams of the 60s, 70s and 80s

I had that same thought, except it was usually around the end of August or so… ;-)

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by ballhawk on Jun 27, 2008 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been living that existence my whole sports life!

This year has been so awesome because of it. If we need to rest a bit in June to make sure it pays off, I’ll be totally fine.

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

there are going to be lil bumps, Cubs arent even @ 13.1 mile mark

pluson the bright side the Cubs are the ones setting the pace right now

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by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Will Hear No

shit-talking Cindy Brunson….

rowr

Eat More Katsui

by CaliCub on Jun 28, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cedeno

What do you guys think chances are he starts tomorrow? Those were 2 damn good plays. Web gems.

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by ARAM FOR MVP on Jun 27, 2008 10:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

2nd base for him and de ro in lf

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by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

His defense could save key opposition runs

I really want Theroit to play 2B, Dero at LF, Fukudome at Rf, Ward at DH, Edmonds at CF, and you know the rest…

by Geo4MVP on Jun 27, 2008 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I like that too.

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by Bump Bailey on Jun 27, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

is dome feeling good enough to play tomorrow or is he gonna dl again?

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by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah I meant DH

D’oh

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by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They said he was 85 % today

He could be feeling better tomorrow and should start at RF. He does not have to go all out in RF, but he is a better option than Ward at RF.

by Geo4MVP on Jun 27, 2008 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ward played OK in RF.

That’s not why the Cubs lost. This shouldn’t be a focus here. Obviously, Dome in RF and Ward at DH is better, but the misplays by Eric Patterson in LF cost the Cubs far more yesterday than having Ward in RF.

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by Al on Jun 28, 2008 4:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dunno

I sure hope he plays.

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by Bump Bailey on Jun 27, 2008 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Paul Sullivan's article

says Lou won’t play Patterson in Left again

by BradB311 on Jun 27, 2008 10:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Most likely 2B.

As of right now Cedeno’s defense can be quite useful for this series.

by Geo4MVP on Jun 27, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Theriot would be better at 2nd.

And Ronny at SS, but as Cwyers said above, Theriot hasn’t played any other position but SS this year.

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by Bump Bailey on Jun 27, 2008 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And it kinda surprises me.

I mean, Lou has moved almost every other player not named Lee, Ramirez or Soto all over the diamond – Dome into center, Soriano into second for an inning, all KINDS of crazy business. He’s never switched Theriot around and he’s only pulled him once. I don’t get it.

by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it's weird

He played him at 2B last year, why not again? Well, I hope he will place him at 2B later in the game whenever he makes the double switch.

by Geo4MVP on Jun 27, 2008 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All I can think is...

...either

A) Lou has a radically different conception of Theriot’s defensive skills than the rest of us

or

B) He’s trying to keep Theriot’s confidence up by shielding him from speculation of a position controversy.

by cwyers on Jun 27, 2008 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah and I can't stand Theroit's poor range at SS

The Cubs should start playing Cedeno at SS much more. His defense would save runs for us and Theroit at 2B would be perfect. The infield defense would literally increase by a significant amount.

by Geo4MVP on Jun 27, 2008 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder how Theriot's defense compares to DeRo's?

Not sure about the range, but I would say DeRo has a better arm. I can’t remember Theriot playing 2nd last year.

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by Bump Bailey on Jun 27, 2008 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Theroit was not bad at all

Dero on the other hand is an average 2B defensive player.

by Geo4MVP on Jun 27, 2008 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

my guess would be close to a wash

I kinda thought the season would play out this way – Theriot would eventually cool off with the bat, Cedeno takes over at SS, DeRosa stays at 2b. When DeRosa takes a turn at 3B or in the OF, Riot takes over 2nd.

But evidently Scrappy didn’t read the script and he’s decided he’s a .300 hitter. More power to him.

No, seriously. More power to him. Please!!!!

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by ballhawk on Jun 27, 2008 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I thought too.

+1 to the more power to him..lol..

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by Bump Bailey on Jun 27, 2008 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

B) That's the only thing I can think of.

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by Bump Bailey on Jun 27, 2008 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or C) Theriot has pictures!!!!

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by ballhawk on Jun 27, 2008 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

that must be it!

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by Bump Bailey on Jun 27, 2008 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't get it either.

Is Lou afraid of hurting his feelings? If he can move Dome and Soriano, I don’t see why he wouldn’t move Theriot.

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by Bump Bailey on Jun 27, 2008 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

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by Al on Jun 28, 2008 4:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank God.

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW

Regarding Ronny again, I was surprised to hear Hawk and D.J. hyping him up saying he has all the potential in the world. Still wasn’t surprised that we still can’t outslug them. Typical Hawk.

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by ARAM FOR MVP on Jun 27, 2008 10:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

no offense intended towards you ARAM, but am I the only one who cringes every time a certain Sox announcer...

...is called “Hawk”? To me, when it comes to baseball, especially Chicago baseball, there’s only one Hawk – and he doesn’t have a schnozz the size of Ray King nor does he speak like a country bumpkin, daggummit.

Grrrr….....

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by ballhawk on Jun 27, 2008 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

any news on Big Z?

Man, I hope he feeling OK after that throw off the flat ground.

by Geo4MVP on Jun 27, 2008 10:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

he's going to do a bullpen on Sunday

and see from there, but i haven’t heard anything about a set back.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 27, 2008 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lets hope he is 100 percent

The Cubs can’t risk him to go on the DL again. I would love Lou to give him a rehab start to see where he is, but at this point I don’t see it happening.

by Geo4MVP on Jun 27, 2008 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard St.Louis, so that makes sense.

don’t think he needs rehab. what’s he missing? 2 starts? he’ll be ok.

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by Bump Bailey on Jun 27, 2008 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know but it makes me cringe whenever a pither gets a shoulder strain

It’s a small muscle that can easily be aggravated again. Z needs to cool his emotions a bit for some time so he can keep his mechanics in check.

by Geo4MVP on Jun 27, 2008 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for the Z update. Anyone got that phone number? ;-)

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by ballhawk on Jun 27, 2008 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha..

I believe KOW has it.

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by Bump Bailey on Jun 27, 2008 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Z

says he wants to pitch in the all-star game

by BradB311 on Jun 27, 2008 10:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

well EVERY team in the NL Central lost today

no harm done i guess

2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?

by Chanman25 on Jun 27, 2008 10:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

except losing to the Sux

and missing a great opportunity to gain a game on everyone. But I’m a glass half empty guy

by BradB311 on Jun 27, 2008 10:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

is your glass half empty?

made if you refilled it you feel better

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by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm working

i can only refill it with soda. probably wont do the trick. haha

by BradB311 on Jun 27, 2008 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe it's more of a matter of being @ work that is causing the glass half empty

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by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 27, 2008 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

been workin since 8AM

by BradB311 on Jun 27, 2008 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ouch!

If that’s the case, then very soon there needs to be several little glasses lined up in front of you, preferably full to begin with, empty when you’re through.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 27, 2008 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+10

i think thats my limit

by BradB311 on Jun 27, 2008 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we're talking decimal system not binary, right?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 27, 2008 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

i dont even know what that means in binary

by BradB311 on Jun 27, 2008 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh man, my head is hurting just trying to remember that stuff

but I think 10 is 2. 11 is 3. 100 is 4. and 101 is a bridge in San Francisco…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 27, 2008 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

or a couple of really big ones

too bad they dont sell Old Style in Utah

by BradB311 on Jun 27, 2008 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually I think you feel better when you empty it... ;-)

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by ballhawk on Jun 27, 2008 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm finding the refills are working nicely. :P

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by slcathena on Jun 27, 2008 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just got back to Pittsburgh from Chi and Wrigley was as beautiful as I last left it.

That loss to the Os was bad. I did however, get to see my first win ever at Wrigley. I now have a 1-7 record of the games I can remember (I was there as a kid and baby).

It was nice to talk to you Al, as awkward as the conversation was. I really didn’t plan out what I was going to talk to you about just figured I’d come say hi before the game. It’s good to put a personality to the words I read.

I don’t know if any of you saw but the Wed. night game there were a few sox fans sitting in the right field bleachers which is where I was during that series. Someone took the hat off of the guy and threw it onto the field. The hat lay there for the remainder of the inning until someone ran by to pick it up. I’m pretty sure the crowd management guy said he probably lost the hat. Just don’t know if it was picked up on tv or not.

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by Bricks and Ivy on Jun 27, 2008 10:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yep - there was a quick shot of it on tv for a few seconds

didn’t realize it was a sox hat though.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 27, 2008 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awkward conversations....

I have that problem too when meeting celebrities. :)

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by Bump Bailey on Jun 27, 2008 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just picture them nak... Nope - not gonna say it...

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by ballhawk on Jun 27, 2008 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha

not that kind of awkward

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by Bricks and Ivy on Jun 27, 2008 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Nice to meet you too. C’mon by again next time you’re there, we’ll talk longer.

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by Al on Jun 28, 2008 4:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know the majority of the talk is on E. Pat

however I am on D. Lee, I mean 19 double play balls. He gets a basehit today, Cubs get on the board early, the game takes a different turn. I can’t remember when he had a big hit, a hit to give the Cubs a lead.
We can talk about E. Pat, Murton and who should start at SS, but Marshall, Marquis and Dempster have been bad last 3 games. All about pitching. And the way CC is throwing lately, the will have to give up either Marmol or Soto to get him. And that won’t happen. If the Cubs get CC without those two in the package, Hendry deserves a new contract.

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by Grockcubs on Jun 27, 2008 11:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As I said...

... I’m worried about D-Lee. Maybe a day off would do him some good, or a day at DH today or tomorrow.

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by Al on Jun 28, 2008 4:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

6-4-3 Lee

had RBIs in all of the Sox games at Wrigley, including 2 on Sunday. But yeah, before that you have to go back to June 15 in Toronto, where he had 3 RBIs in a 7-4 win. And before THAT…..well, he only had 4 RBI in the first two weeks of June. Just looked at his monthly splits – ouch.

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by JohnM on Jun 28, 2008 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Derrek Lee

I’m going to have to dig up some footage of Lee’s swings over the years because I’ve got the feeling that his hole in the inner half could be on its way back. The only pitches his seems to be driving lately are down the shoot, or on the outer half (in which he rarely swings at unless he’s red hot). I’m starting to think its an issue of him not being able to get his hands in while putting a good swing on the ball. He has very noticeably been rolling over pitches all year long, especially offspeed. It’s very odd to see someone who has hit for such average the past few years struggle this long. To me, its clear its not health, because he’s not way behind, or clearly making up in one derpartment for pain in another. A lot of it, I believe, also rests on his pitch selection. From what I’ve seen, for the most part, unless he is hot, he refuses to hit the outside pitch. Derrek should know he’s a big lad, and thats a VERY hittable pitch for him. When he does go after them, he looks REALLY good going to RF. Its kind of a bummer because there’s nothing that can be done if this is the probelm. It all lies in his head then. I certainly do think he is pressing a bit. Maybe someone can debate/concur this, but I believe he at times, is way too picky on the fastball, but has tendancy to chase any breaking ball down. Also, can anyone tell me what pitches he grounded into DPs on (listened on radio)? I know you can’t draw a line directly to this, however his splits show to me that he could be too picky when he’s ahead in the count. I guess it could be a matter of my philosophy, but when he comes up with runners in scoring position and less than 2 outs, I’d like to see him be a little more aggresive. This could really pose as a problem down the road because they need his production. I agree, he could use a day off and get his timing going when he comes back.

Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.

by TCobb1911 on Jun 27, 2008 11:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pay Attention

to Cleveland on the 9th or July. They have about a two week span of playing the Sox, Tigers, and Twin…I think that will determine Sabbathia. I just don’t see them getting rid of him unless they’re about 10 back.

Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.

by TCobb1911 on Jun 27, 2008 11:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cubs don't have remotely what it will take to acquire Sabathia

Not unless they are prepared to part company with Carlos Marmol or Geovany Soto.

GET Rich Harden !!! 11 starts, 5-0, 57 IP, 83 Ks, 2.15 ERA !!!

by MDBNIU on Jun 28, 2008 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey - that's my line!

I’ve been saying the “it’s gonna take Marmol or Soto” argument for weeks.

Stick with the Rich Harden repeats or come up with your own material… ;-)

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by ballhawk on Jun 28, 2008 12:28 AM CDT