Official BCB Open Thread: Cardinals/Royals and Brewers/Twins
by Al on Jun 29, 2008 10:30 AM CDT
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Here's your place to discuss, vent, etc. about the games for our two division rivals, since both games will be happening this afternoon and will be over before the Cubs game begins tonight. The Cubs/White Sox pregame thread will post at 4 pm CT.
Both games begin at 1:10 CT. The pitching matchup in Kansas City is Braden Looper vs. Brian Bannister; in Minnesota it's Ben Sheets vs. Kevin Slowey.
Go Royals! Go Twins!
Here's today's MLB.com Mediacenter.
MLB.com Gameday for the Cardinals/Royals game (2008 version)
MLB.com Gameday for the Brewers/Twins game (2008 version)
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First.....just had to do that........
by crazymountain on Jun 29, 2008 10:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not first
just missed it again!
Favorite Game - 'The Sandberg game" June 23, 1984
by Cub Fan Mike on Jun 29, 2008 11:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bannister
is 3-0 in June and a much better pitcher in day games, so I’m hoping this trend continues. The picture of him in mid-pitch on the Royals’ site is kinda funny though, kinda like Gomer Pyle. Well, Golllll-ly!
Then I saw the team photos and it occurred to me that I really miss Grudzielanek. Sigh. GO ROYALS!!!!
"The ever-changing kaleidescope of raw reality would defeat the human mind by its complexity, except for the mind's ability to abstract, to pick out parts and think of them as the whole." -Thomas Sowell
"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse
by Goodie1969 on Jun 29, 2008 11:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Can anyone explain...
....how Tampa Bay can have the 2nd best record in the majors with a payroll a fraction of the Cubs??? Are we overpaying for talent that doesn’t pan out?
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
by ronsanto10 on Jun 29, 2008 11:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it's quite obvious how they are good this year
after years and years of being bad, the rays get high draft picks. Once those draft picks pan out, then they will be good. Plus, those draft picks don’t get paid that much except for longoria.
by lexmarklover on Jun 29, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, that would be the Yankees
And who, pray tell, has the best record?
"The ever-changing kaleidescope of raw reality would defeat the human mind by its complexity, except for the mind's ability to abstract, to pick out parts and think of them as the whole." -Thomas Sowell
"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse
by Goodie1969 on Jun 29, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, sometimes
teams draft well…and that’s the case in TB. When you have as many great draft choices as the Rays have had, sometimes you just have to be smart enough to pick good talent. Evan Longoria, at 3B—is going to be a stud, if he hasn’ t proven that already.
However, young teams can only go so far if they are not supported over the long run by a veteran or two. Or, as in the case of their in-state rivals, the Marlins—you trade the young talent away since you cannot pay them. (Longoria was signed to a long-term contract right away)
Only time will prove if the Rays will actually draw, make some cash, pay their players, etc.
The Marlins have proven they can’t sustain success and need to get out of that football stadium.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 29, 2008 11:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But....
....isn’t our farm system supposed to nuture our young talent?
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
by ronsanto10 on Jun 29, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we do pretty well there
Soto, Gallagher, Zambrano, Wood, Marmol—-all farm products. Many others, having been traded, are doing well for other teams. Tampa Bay is more in the mindset of building from the ground up, while the Cubs are under pressure to win now. Are there any particular players who, in your opinion, are overpaid for their contributions to the team?
"The ever-changing kaleidescope of raw reality would defeat the human mind by its complexity, except for the mind's ability to abstract, to pick out parts and think of them as the whole." -Thomas Sowell
"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse
by Goodie1969 on Jun 29, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops, forgot about Theriot as well.
"The ever-changing kaleidescope of raw reality would defeat the human mind by its complexity, except for the mind's ability to abstract, to pick out parts and think of them as the whole." -Thomas Sowell
"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse
by Goodie1969 on Jun 29, 2008 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weurtz is also from the Cubs farm system
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 29, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano...
....do you think he is worth $18 million per year? We are still in 1st place by 3.5 games without him. Edmonds was a super bargain in comparison as was Reed Johnson.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
by ronsanto10 on Jun 29, 2008 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This team misses Soriano.
They are 8-8 since he was hit (including that game as he missed most of it).
You can laugh, but he can carry a team as he did last September, and in May. I’d say that’s worth the $.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 29, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think Soriano is unnecessary????
That is laughable. IF we didn’t pay him, the Cardinals might have, or the Brewers…..do you actually think LF has been in better hands since he hit the DL? Z makes that much too….and doesn’t play every day…..
by crazymountain on Jun 29, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say he was unnecessary...
....I said I think he is overpaid. Sure he can carry a team, the question is when. He is so darn inconsistent. He was great in June. He stunk in May. Who knows what he will do in September? With him, its a maddening crapshoot. Also, don’t forget he hit .143 in last year’s NLDS. Finally, while his RISP average this year is .322, his RISP w/2 outs average is .194.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
by ronsanto10 on Jun 29, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is only overpaid
if the market doesn’t support his salary. I don’t think that was the case.
As to his average in last years NLDS, judging any player on his performance in a short series is short sighted. Any number of very good players have had bad series, sometimes those series’ come during the playoffs, sometimes not. Sometimes very bad player has a good series. You can’t judge on that basis. Small sample sizes give bad results.
Baseball is too much of a sport to be a business and too much of a business to be a sport.
William Wrigley Jr
by bubbamike the one and only on Jun 29, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You confirmed my point exactly...
...he turned cold at the wrong time.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
by ronsanto10 on Jun 29, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A-Rod has had some bad post seasons...
I guess the Yankees should DFA him. :)
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 29, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A-rod is ridiculously overpaid...
.....if he set the market, then tell me who could afford him if the Yankees didn’t sign him? The Cubs? The Red Sox? The Angels? Who?
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
by ronsanto10 on Jun 29, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
I’m not arguing that. I was just saying how you can’t judge a player on a small sample size such as the post season.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 29, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe it was
The Texas Rangers who signed him and set the market rate. He was worth it to them at the time and he was worth it to the Yankees when they traded for him. You fail to understand the free market. No one is forced to pay what him his salary, they chose to do so because he is worth it. There are a limited amount of people who can play at his level, so if you want one you have to pay. Now he would be worth more to the Yankees if they played him in his position rather than at 3rd base as he is a much better shortstop than Jeter is. But it is their choice.
Baseball is too much of a sport to be a business and too much of a business to be a sport.
William Wrigley Jr
by bubbamike the one and only on Jun 29, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My question is...
....who do you think would have paid his asking price of $30 million per year if the Yankees didn’t? Sadly even though the market decides the player’s worth, it doesn’t mean crap if no one is willing to pay. A perfect example is the stock market and the Internet bubble of 2000.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
by ronsanto10 on Jun 29, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The internet bubble was caused by
the allowing of stock options to be carried on the books as assets, which falsely set value. It is not the same thing.
by crazymountain on Jun 29, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one would have paid it
An asking price is the starting point of a negotiation. He cannot hold a figurative gun to anyone’s head and force them to fork the dough over.
"The ever-changing kaleidescope of raw reality would defeat the human mind by its complexity, except for the mind's ability to abstract, to pick out parts and think of them as the whole." -Thomas Sowell
"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse
by Goodie1969 on Jun 29, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and to think A-Rod was traded for Soriano
seems that you are in a minority as to Soriano’s worth…...
by crazymountain on Jun 29, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you didn't answer the question...
....?
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
by ronsanto10 on Jun 29, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I did....if the question had to do with market value and the stock market.
by crazymountain on Jun 29, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no..
..who would have signed A-Rod? Even he realized that no club would sign him at that salary leve which why he bypassed Boras.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
by ronsanto10 on Jun 29, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
THAT question is one without an answer.
Do you say you know what GM’s around baseball are thinking?
by crazymountain on Jun 29, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WRONG
Nobody challenged bubbamike’s assertion that a player is only overpaid if the market doesn’t support his salary. So I will. That statement assumes that the market is smart. The market is only as smart as its ability to measure and predict a player’s contribution to team success. A player can very definitely be overpaid if the market supports his salary and the market is wrong about his ability to help a team win.
by aldimond on Jun 29, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, really all players are overpaid.....
So, just what are you looking for? Ted Williams caught the same shit because he made $100,000. So did DiMaggio. Mantle had a triple crown year and took a pay cut the next season. I do not understand what you are saying.
He is streaky, Soriano is. However the market IS WHAT IT IS. Why cry about the market? I am glad we have him. Also, don’t forget that WITHOUT Soriano, we do not get to the NLDS last year. No way in hell do we get above 3rd last year without him. Be glad we were in the NLDS.
by crazymountain on Jun 29, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was glad we were in the NLDS...
....if that is your objective every year, then you will be happy. For me, I want the Cubs to win the World Series.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
by ronsanto10 on Jun 29, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the point WAS
without Soriano, we wouldn’t have been in the NLDS. My OBJECTIVE is to have a quality life, which I have, no matter what the Cubs do. However, for the last 50 years, I have been ROOTING for the Cubs to win the world series. I think you need to get a grip and realize that your OBJECTIVE shouldn’t be based on the actions of others, things you have no control over.
by crazymountain on Jun 29, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats a little deep
for a Sunday afternoon, isn’t it? :-)
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 29, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on Edmonds and Johnson
Ultimately the market determines the monetary value of a player. If the Cubs set this at $18 mil./yr., and no one else tops it, then that is his market value. His contribution to the team determines his real value, and so far I’d say he is irreplaceable. If his injury were any more serious, it would cost the Cubs big $ to replace his run production.
"The ever-changing kaleidescope of raw reality would defeat the human mind by its complexity, except for the mind's ability to abstract, to pick out parts and think of them as the whole." -Thomas Sowell
"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse
by Goodie1969 on Jun 29, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's be real...
no one is worth $18 million to play baseball. But he players gets paid what a team is willing to pay them. Hence, the Cubs were willing to give Soriano $136 million dollars. If the Cubs hadn’t offered $136 million, another would would have offered it and Soriano would be wearing another uniform.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 29, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good trades too..
Getting Kazmir from the Mets has worked out well.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 29, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arroyo makes it out the 1st inning
and strikes out the side. Not bad for guy who set the MLB record by giving up
10 runs in the first inning of his last start but don’t be too good Bronson as Cubs
will face him in the next series.
Oh and heads up guess who we won’t face ?, Volquez. I am a bit rotation obsessed
from Maddux days so I plot them out ahead. So for once we catch a break.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 29, 2008 12:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank God we don't face Volquez.
He’s looking like the best pitcher in the big leagues. Cueto had a nice start last night too. The Reds might be in the thick of things for a few years to come.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 29, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't come cheap
look what they gave Texas to get him.
Baseball is too much of a sport to be a business and too much of a business to be a sport.
William Wrigley Jr
by bubbamike the one and only on Jun 29, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True that.
Good trade for both teams.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 29, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you ever noticed that the Rangers are always desperate for pitching...
yet they continue to trade good pitchers such as Chris Young, John Danks and Volquez. Maybe now that Nolan Ryan has taken over as President of Texas, they will discontinue this practice.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 29, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You forget all those young arms are in Dusty's hands
Poor kids.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 29, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never really noticed this but I think Soriano, the elite offensive player, is back
by lexmarklover on Jun 29, 2008 12:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
whoops sorry
he has 15 HRs, 40 RBIs while missing many games. Derrek Lee has 51 RBIs in 80 games. Soriano has 40 RBIs in 51 GAMES. That is just crazy. Last year wasn’t really what i expected from him but i think the great offensive player is back with a vengence. WOW IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY. It just shows me how much this team misses him.
by lexmarklover on Jun 29, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Jose Guillan related to Ozzie?
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 29, 2008 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it..
Jose is from the DR and I think Ozzie is from Venezuela.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 29, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In case anyone's interested in the actual topic here:
No score in either game. Bottom 1 in KC, top 2 in Minnesota.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 29, 2008 1:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
my question was topical :-)
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 29, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What topic was that?
;)
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 29, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol don't get me started
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 29, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Way to herd them back to the thread, Al
We’ve beaten the Soriano issue to death on many other posts.
"There is one thing I will never believe, and that is the Sox are better than the Cubs." - Frank Chance
by pfd89 on Jun 29, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I missed those, sorry
So, why don’t you list issues I am allowed to discuss here?
And, let’s also have a fan post about how much I suck. That was really on point here.
If y’all don’t want me coming to your site, just let me know.
by crazymountain on Jun 29, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoa
It’s OK, none of the thread was against you, Crazy. Of course we want you here!
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 29, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
We need the voice of Crazy! New avatar, Emelie? I like.
"The ever-changing kaleidescope of raw reality would defeat the human mind by its complexity, except for the mind's ability to abstract, to pick out parts and think of them as the whole." -Thomas Sowell
"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse
by Goodie1969 on Jun 29, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
slight over reaction there??????
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 29, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yech Cards just scored 2
Larue HR
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 29, 2008 1:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
C'mon Royals!
"The ever-changing kaleidescope of raw reality would defeat the human mind by its complexity, except for the mind's ability to abstract, to pick out parts and think of them as the whole." -Thomas Sowell
"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse
by Goodie1969 on Jun 29, 2008 1:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ryan CS, 3 Out. Yay!
"The ever-changing kaleidescope of raw reality would defeat the human mind by its complexity, except for the mind's ability to abstract, to pick out parts and think of them as the whole." -Thomas Sowell
"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse
by Goodie1969 on Jun 29, 2008 1:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
just checking w/ brewers score still 0-0
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 29, 2008 1:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
beats the cards score feh
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 29, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least the Royals
Have been able to expose the Cards.
by AceCubbie on Jun 29, 2008 1:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
howzzat? it's 3-0 Cards
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 29, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if the Cards win today
they’ll be 2-4 vs. the Royals this season.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 29, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gotcha
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 29, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No problem
The Royals swept the Cardinals last week in St. Louis, then won again Friday night.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 29, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
5-0 cards
heading into Bot 3
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 29, 2008 2:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
twins score 1-0
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 29, 2008 2:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Looper has a one-hitter going
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 29, 2008 2:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
KC scores 1 only need 5 more
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 29, 2008 2:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry I Couldnt do a game thread like i usually do
Working til 345 today :(
I like doing those threds for the site. heh
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
"Thats deep to left.....back back back HEY HEY!!! he did it attaboy Jimmy!!!!! woooooooo!!! tie game!! Thats for you Jack" Len Kasper 6/12/08
by Galvan316 on Jun 29, 2008 2:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bases loaded for the powder blues
STL 5 KC 2 bottom fo 4th 1 out
by GoCubbies34 on Jun 29, 2008 2:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Alright! There's Hope!
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 29, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Single to RF
Runner scores, bases remain loaded
STL 5 KC 3
Pitching Change
by GoCubbies34 on Jun 29, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cardinals pitching is becoming more and mroe exposed
I believe that teams will now get to their SP. Their SP will come back down to earth once the Cubs face them :)
by Geo4MVP on Jun 29, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Status on Big Z?
Does anybody know how he feels after pitching off flat ground on Thursday?
by Geo4MVP on Jun 29, 2008 2:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Papers said he felt fine
Supposedly will throw off a mound today.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 29, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perez in for relief
Allows two pop flys, no additional runs score.
KC 3, STL 5… to the Top o’ 5th
by GoCubbies34 on Jun 29, 2008 2:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cards bullpen will have to carry them
the rest of the way. I think TLR was a little quick with the hook.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 29, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh crud 7-3 cards
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 29, 2008 2:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Whoever made the schedules for the Cubs and the Cards
Deserve to get fired. The Cubs should be facing the Cards more often!
is it just me or do you guys think interleague match-ups should be no more?!
by Geo4MVP on Jun 29, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs will be facing the Cards more often
in the second half of the season.
This stuff all balances out. The Cubs were Pirates-heavy early, now they have only six games left against them.
As far as interleague goes, I’d be happy with just one series between “rival” teams.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 29, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
5-0 twins
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 29, 2008 2:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, at least the Brewers are about to lose
by Geo4MVP on Jun 29, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still two innings to go
but it’s not looking good for the Crew.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 29, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
7-4 Cards bottom of 5th
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 29, 2008 3:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Springer in for Perez
with 2 on, 2 outs, he strikes out the batter.
After 5, 7-4 Cardinals
by GoCubbies34 on Jun 29, 2008 3:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Brewers game started at the same time as the Cardinals game.
Brewers game over, Cardinals going to the 6th.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 29, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tells the paces of the game there..
Helps the Slowey threw a 3 hitter
"Go Cubs Go"
by mkcubs21 on Jun 29, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Twins win! Brewers lose!
Kevin Slowey threw a three-hit shutout.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 29, 2008 3:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's only five hits given up by Slowey
In two starts against the Brewers. And last time, he had 2 RBI in Miller Park. Can the Twins pick ‘em or what?
"The ever-changing kaleidescope of raw reality would defeat the human mind by its complexity, except for the mind's ability to abstract, to pick out parts and think of them as the whole." -Thomas Sowell
"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse
by Goodie1969 on Jun 29, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
twins win 5-0
3rd time this year milwaukees been shut out.
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 29, 2008 3:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cub/Sox pregame thread will post at 4:00 pm CDT.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 29, 2008 3:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone see..
Burnett pitched 7 innings and had 11 K’s in a 1-0 Jays win? I know he isn’t super high on some peoples list but he is on the list I think for others
"Go Cubs Go"
by mkcubs21 on Jun 29, 2008 3:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He is underrated
Look at his career ERA. It is in the mid 3’s and I know he is not the same pitcher as before (injuries effect), but he can be a number three pitcher for the Cubs. I don’t know what the Jays really want, but I can tell they seriously need a heavy dosage of power and OBP. ‘
IMO, I think the Jays want Burnett gone. He has a heavy contract that they want to unload and if the Cubs can get him without giving up their best prospects. Keep in mind though tta Burnett has an option next year and that may be the big risk (that is, if the Cubs get him).
by Geo4MVP on Jun 29, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely agree..
When on he is very good, but those 2 option years are scarry b/c thats a lot of money there. But it all depends on which guys the Cubs want the most. If we can’t get C.C. it might come down to Burnett.
"Go Cubs Go"
by mkcubs21 on Jun 29, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It might be safer to get Burnett
We all know that the Indians would want at least two type A prospects (which they will never get from any team). Then, the bad thing about getting Sabathia is that the Cubs probably can’t afford to spend any more $$$ in the offseason considering they are in the process of being sold. Burnett on the other hand will be booked in the Cubs payroll for next year and the year after, but that is considering he does not turn down the option years. However, he has expressed he love Chicago and really wants to pitch for the Cubs.
by Geo4MVP on Jun 29, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
by eswan9 on Jun 29, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Burnett would like to pitch for the Cubs
but I wasn’t overly impressed when I saw him pitch against the Cubs in Toronto. I might be mistaken on this, but isn’t he a bit of a clubhouse problem, too?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 29, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think so
all the cubs players that talked about Burnett said that they wouldn’t mind having him come over. The situation with the fans and all that stuff occurred in the moment. He apologized right after so i don’t think there is a problem with him.
by lexmarklover on Jun 29, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
People thought Edmonds was going become a clubhouse problem with Big Z
But that never happened and I think Burnett will be do just fine. Lets hope Hendry does get the right SP for this team because I don’t know how long Dempster can keep up his remarkable breakout season.
by Geo4MVP on Jun 29, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really think Dempster gets a bad rap
He’s had what, 14-15 good outings and one bad one. Yet a lot of people think the one bad one is more representative of his pitching than the 14-15 good ones. Amazing.
He has shown potential to be this kind of a pitcher, back when he was with Florida and Cincinnati. He busted his tail to get into shape for this season. And, truth be told, I think he was a pretty decent closer, too.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 29, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ppl that i hear just say it's one bad outing
every pitcher has a couple in a year. Also, I thought he was a decent closer but ppl wanted a change because he was always so nerve wracking.
by lexmarklover on Jun 29, 2008 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know he's not a bad SP
It’s just that how long can he keep his ERA in the 2’s. He probably will keep his ERA well below the 4’s, but I don’t know how long Demps and Z can carry the load. Lily needs to become more consistent; otherwise the Cubs will really need a SP.
by Geo4MVP on Jun 29, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Cubs do need another SP
But not too many teams have studs pitching 1-5, or even 1-4.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 29, 2008 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
very true..
We won’t either but another solid 2/3 would be just fine
"Go Cubs Go"
by mkcubs21 on Jun 29, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...but this is an all or nothing year for Hendry
Let’s just say if the Cubs don’t win a WS, he will not return next year. Therefore, expect Hendry to make the best reasonable deal.
by Geo4MVP on Jun 29, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He will def. make a deal
no doubt about that
by lexmarklover on Jun 29, 2008 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that
Of course, they’re going to go for broke, mostly because of the 100-year thing. I think Hendry’s done a great job, but he’ll remain in that post at the pleasure of the new owner, WS or not.
He will make a deal, rest assured.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 29, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freddy Garcia interest you?
He says that he feels like he has a new shoulder
by lexmarklover on Jun 29, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure I want to deal with
damaged goods right now. What’s his status?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 29, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs might take a flyer on Garcia
He is currently working out for the Cubs.
by Geo4MVP on Jun 29, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he's a no- or low-risk option
a la Edmonds, why not?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 29, 2008 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was under the impression
he was under contract to somebody and the Cubs needed to get him via trade. If he’s out there for the taking, give him the league minimum and let’s see what he can do.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 29, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
If he can show some potential as the number 3 SP or even a better SP than Marquis/Gallagher, then expect Hendry to sign Garcia to a minor league deal.
by Geo4MVP on Jun 29, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the mets are interested though
u never know how much cash they want to deal out
by lexmarklover on Jun 29, 2008 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absoluletly..
There will be 2 or 3 new players at least on the roster come trading deadline. Look at the moves he made in 2003 and this years team i think is better than that year and he made us much better
"Go Cubs Go"
by mkcubs21 on Jun 29, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Burnett may have great stuff...
but the bottom line is he has a .500 record. While he has the potential to be a top of the rotation starter, he has only shown glimpses, he still has not put it all together.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 29, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is why he is perfect as the number 3 slot
He does have an career ERA in the mid 3’s. I would say he is a better option than Maddux or even Randy Wolf.
by Geo4MVP on Jun 29, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols just went yard..
9-4 STL
"Go Cubs Go"
by mkcubs21 on Jun 29, 2008 3:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pujols 2-run HR 9-4 Cards
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 29, 2008 3:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
how does pujols hit the way he does
i mean he just came out of nowhere as a player wasn’t even considered a prospect maybe he had help…..
by lexmarklover on Jun 29, 2008 3:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Albert is clean
He’s just very, very good. Sometimes guys are late bloomers or slip under the radar.
Of course, nobody these days is above suspicion.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 29, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think he's clean too
but come on how do you come off the DL right away and hit like .700 in the first 5 games. Pujols really pisses me off though, he comes off as a team guy but i remember hearing that when he lost the MVP to Ryan Howard he cried and cried talking bout how he deserves to be the MVP. I’m sure he hasnt taken steroids but he really gets on my nerves.
by lexmarklover on Jun 29, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I think he's a bit of a jerk
no doubt. But he’s one of the greatest players of the age, as evidenced by how he’s performed since coming off the DL.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 29, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HGH is what helps you recover from injuries,
not steroids. I assume it is HGH (which is difficult to test for) that you are suspicious about?
Ankiel had the clinic in FLA that sent him HGH, remember?
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Jun 29, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what a blast from the past
ankiel isn’t even that great this year.
by lexmarklover on Jun 29, 2008 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just trying to clarify
that the drug of choice for injury rehab/recovery is human growth hormone—HGH.
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Jun 29, 2008 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they haven't proven that HGH heals you
its suspected to, but they aren’t sure exactly what it does in a healthy body, its usually used for kids with hormonal imbalances,etc…
and by this you all sound like sour grapes… i bet you’d be pissed off if someone said b/c Sori is a fast healer he’s on stuff.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 29, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no. I would not be surprised
if “people” said the same thing about Soriano. It is a common accusation about anyone who is thin and hits for power these days. I don’t have sour grapes about any of it.
I was just clarifying the point about steroids v HGH. :-)
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Jun 29, 2008 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because we know scouting
is an exact science.
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
by eswan9 on Jun 29, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where in the holy hell did Chris Carpenter come from
after his blue jay days. I know he had surgery but there are some players on the cardinals team that come outta nowhere. Tony LaRussa just annoys that crap outta me though cause he just does things to try to annoy the opponent. Like when he accused the Sox of stealing their signs, and how he thinks he’s going to shock everybody this year by having his so called great team prove to the media that they underlooked this team.
No offense to tony but i dont think his team is all that great. They caught luck with their starting pitchers, Ankiel and Ludwick are streaky at best (not sayting that Soriano isn’t) but Soriano is better than those two players, and their bullpen will not be as strong as they have been.
by lexmarklover on Jun 29, 2008 3:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is why baseball is not a sprint
Baseball exposes the pretenders and I believe the Cardinals are pretenders. They will lose down the stretch because teams will figure out their mediocre SP.
by Geo4MVP on Jun 29, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chip Caray doing the Yanks, Mets game today..
They were commenting on some Met fan banging on a cowbell all day, and Chip goes, “oh yeah, there’s this guy in Chicago who goes Woo-Woo all the time”....lol..
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jun 29, 2008 3:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
why isnt it the game of week on espn?
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 29, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kinda would have preferred that actually
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 29, 2008 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because the national media
is baised against the cubs.
by Tackle Box on Jun 29, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who woulda thought
that Ben Sheets would get roughed up today against the Twins. 5 runs against him MAN
by lexmarklover on Jun 29, 2008 3:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Twins are on fire
Any ace probably would have given up 5 runs against a team that is one fire.
by Geo4MVP on Jun 29, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs have batted around Sheets pretty good
the last few years. That’s baseball (pardon the cliche).
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 29, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why are KC fans woooing?
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 29, 2008 4:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
oh. they're doing the bloody wave.
how obnoxious—to wave AND woo.
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 29, 2008 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess Ronnie Woo Woo has relatives in KC :)
by Geo4MVP on Jun 29, 2008 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heaven help them
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jun 29, 2008 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All this talk about the Cardinals SP being mediocre and soon to be exposed...
what about your own terrible pitching? I hope you plan on winning a bunch of games 14-12.
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Jun 29, 2008 5:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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