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OT (because we need it): Strat-O-Matic

I was going to save this for an off day, but I figure we can all use a distraction from the Cubs right now, especially with a west coast starting time on Monday.

I'm wondering how many of you have ever played Hal Richman's game of Strat-O-Matic.  For those unfamilar, the game has cards based on players' stats from the previous year and is played with dice that determine the outcome of each play.  In theory, if you play enough games, each player should approximately perform the same way that he did in real life the year before.  Of course, "that's why they play the games".

I've been in a little league of 12 for a few years.  We each have a parent club and get rookies (meeting certain qualifications) from that club.  We also have a draft each year and make trades.  Each team must carry at least 16 (out of 35 total) players that at one time or another played for the parent team.  We play 81 games (with 25 man active rosters).  My team is . . . the Mets.  Before fans of the Cubs that have been following since before realignment ask about that -- it was the available team.  Also, what I've found is, I don't make sentimental trades to get Cubs that I would if I had the Cubs.  Much easier to be detached.

At any rate, who else has played or is playing the game?  Any interesting stories?  (As interesting as dice baseball can get...)

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I have Strat and have played both the board and computer versions. However, I play DiamondMind baseball in a pair of online leagues. One is in it’s 18th year of play, the other in it’s ninth.

No real great stories, other than my friend who was an Orioles fan and I playing some great games with terrible Cubs and O’s teams from the late 1980’s.

In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this -Oysterband

by Ross on Jun 29, 2008 10:16 PM CDT   0 recs

soitaire player

I play strat dice and cards mostly solitaire here and there…like using a mix of players and teams have one long season going on that I’m on about game 40 out of 162.

Probably the weirdest game I’ve had was a no-hitter by Steve Trachsel who had 11! walks. Very strange indeed.

by jeff_pico on Jun 29, 2008 10:39 PM CDT   0 recs

Costs money...

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Jun 29, 2008 10:46 PM CDT   0 recs

Never got into Strat-O-Matic.

Instead, I spent my rainy days as a kid flicking the spinners around while playing Ethan Allen’s All-Star Baseball by Cadaco. Poring over those discs, staring in awe at the size of the 1 slice (home runs) on guys like Jimmy Foxx, Ralph Kiner, and Hank Greenberg. Likewise, the size of the 10 slice (strikeouts) on some of those pitchers – not the throwing kind, but the flailing miserably at the plate kind. Dick Raditz always sticks in my mind as the worst – he struck out 67% of the time in some of those seasons.

Anyway, a lot of my familiarity with the old-time players came from playing that game. And when I was bored with the player discs that came with the game, I’d flip them over, and using baseball cards from my collection and a protractor, I’d create discs for my favorite current players – mostly Pirates… ;-)

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 29, 2008 10:49 PM CDT   0 recs

Me too.

There was something about the suspense involved in spinning those spinners that was very similar to the suspense of the pitcher’s wind-up…

Plus the fact that the board was based on an actual photograph of Wrigley Field gave the game that much more meaning to a young Cubs fan…..

Hey ballhawk, did you also used to play Cadaco’s Bas-Ket? Talk about a hands-on, interactive gaming experience…..

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jun 30, 2008 4:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

OMG!

The whir of those spinners was a very common sound around my house when I was a kid! And yeah, there was a definite “wind up” kind of vibe to them. Thanks for the memories….and sure enough, I had Bas-Ket, too, which was really a pretty great game (although I’m guessing in hindsight that the clunking/plonking sounds of the little gizmos hitting the ping-pong ball were probably kind of irritating to the other residents!),

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by CaughtInTheVines on Jun 30, 2008 10:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, any game based on springs and levers

that fire a ball into the air is going to test the patience of anyone in the vicinity not actually playing. I remember our house going through two or three editions of Bas-Ket over an approximately 10 year period—probably because of too many full-court shot attempts cranking those back court levers waaaaay too far…...

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jun 30, 2008 10:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I didn't but a friend did

so we’d shift our focus accordingly as the seasons changed.

Not to get too nostalgic, but we also had that old electric football game with the little plastic men would move based on the vibrations. I remember one player, John Niland (excellent lineman for Cowboys), had something wrong with the plastic base, so he always moved in circles. At first we’d just laugh at that, but then we figured out how to use him as a pulling guard on sweeps. Good times…

oh, and let’s not forget the hockey games with the rods you pull back and forth and twist to swing the players around. Classic stuff…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 30, 2008 10:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

On the electric vibrating football game (I was jealous of any kid that owned that), and the hockey game, which we had and which, like Bas-Ket, would eventually get damaged from rough playing kids trying to push its capabilities beyond what it could really do…....

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jun 30, 2008 10:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I had one of those electric football games...

... with the little felt football which you could never get to go where you wanted it to. Interesting concept, but it never worked very well.

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by Al on Jun 30, 2008 12:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think the one we had was an earlier edition

our football was a little magnet – it would stick to a metal plate at the base of the plastic players, and when you wanted to pass, you turned off the vibrator (TWSDS), and bring out this little metal figurine roughly shaped like a player where you would pull back the arm, stick the magnet on the end, aim at your receiver, and let ‘er rip. If the ball hit the guy, completion.

I remember the felt football version and yeah, the ball didn’t move that well. My guess is somebody somewhere shot some kids’ eye out with the magnet football, and the feds stepped in.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 30, 2008 2:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I’ve got a friend who does a lot of Diamond Mind, as well as another card & dice baseball game called Pursue the Pennant. I did PTP for a while—I’d help him replay the playoffs from various years; he’d do one side, I’d do the other. I gave up though, after going 0-12 against him in the World Series.

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by Cool Hand on Jun 29, 2008 11:16 PM CDT   0 recs

Back in college

I played in a Pursue the Pennant league, which was the card and dice forerunner of Diamond Mind. We were a six team league that drafted out of the NL East and the Minnesota Twins, to appease our Twins fan player. I won the World Series when in the ninth inning I pinch hit Doug DeCinces for Darryl Strawberry, who had played every inning of every game for me up until that point. DeCinces hit a pinch-hit home run off the left-hander my opponent had brought in and he said “I never thought in a million years you’d pinch-hit for Strawberry.”

There was also a night of heavy beer drinking that resulted in a series of jokes (too convoluted to go into here) that led to a game of nine Fred McGriffs against nine Marty Barretts. The nine Fred McGriffs won and McGriff was named the greatest player in the universe ever. (Sounds like a mismatch in retrospect, but McGriff was a rookie in Toronto at this point, so it was pretty fair.)

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by Josh77 on Jun 29, 2008 11:59 PM CDT   0 recs

LOL. But how was he in the field?? ; )

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by northsider on Jun 30, 2008 12:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh, he was terrible

but Marty Barrett kept walking McGriff. I can’t remember how many walks there were, but Barrett couldn’t throw a strike and the bases were always loaded. (And so were we.)

Barrett wasn’t any good defensively outside of second base either, according to the rules of the game.

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by Josh77 on Jun 30, 2008 12:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll tell you the jokes

essentially we were sitting around, drinking beer and reading the baseball encyclopedia and asking each other trivia questions. Eventually, I hit on the idea that whenever I didn’t know the answer to a question, I said “Fred McGriff,” who was still a young player in Toronto at that time. My buddy, being as drunk as I was, would say “Correct!” Eventually we said “Man! Fred McGriff won the AL batting title in 1925 and the NL title in 1958. He pitched a no-hitter in 1961. He’s won the MVP three times and the Cy Young twice. He must be the greatest player who ever lived!”

Eventually I got tired of saying “Fred McGriff” and started saying “Marty Barrett” to every trivia question I didn’t know. Then the same process happened and the idea of a showdown occurred to us.

For years, when others called McGriff “the Crime Dog,” he and I had our own special nickname for him based on his triumph in this game. We just called him “god.”

It's a girl! Born 1-18-08. 2246 PST. 8 lbs. 1 oz.

by Josh77 on Jun 30, 2008 12:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL! Tom Emanski must have had the same idea.

So what was going through your mind during the whole “will he waive the NTC or won’t he”, and then finally being traded to the Cubs?

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Jun 30, 2008 3:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It was funny

my college friend and I were sending e-mails back and forth. There were some jokes about whether or not god was going to be a Cub.

It's a girl! Born 1-18-08. 2246 PST. 8 lbs. 1 oz.

by Josh77 on Jun 30, 2008 4:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LOLOL @ 9xBarrett vs. 9xMcGriff

Sounds like something stronger than beer might’ve been involved!

"Eighty-five percent of the world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here." - Lee Elia, 1983

"The only thing that bothers me is that I would never want to destroy the love and what the fans of Chicago are to the Chicago Cubs. I mean, God knows. If there's one pure thing in baseball, it is the fans of Chicago." - Lee Elia, 2008

by CaughtInTheVines on Jun 30, 2008 10:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If it was 9 Michael Barretts

Would they have fought themselves?

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 30, 2008 10:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

marty barrett

2b for the red sox in the late 80’s

by tootle on Jun 30, 2008 5:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Me too...

I’ve never owned the game myself in any format, but have played it a ton. A friend and I used to play the board/card game in his basement back in the late 80s. After that, I stuck with other computer sims (Front Page Sports, Lance Hafner, Tony Larussa, Out of the Park, and others) until a different friend decided in the late 90s to use the Strat computer game as an engine for a redraft simulation of all baseball seasons from 1921 to 2005. We had a full redraft of all the 1921 players, then had a “rookie” draft after each season for all of the players new to the upcoming year. It took us about five years to get through all of those seasons, but it was quite fun and very educational (learning about lesser known players and the effectiveness of different managerial mindsets over decades of play).

by Qixotl on Jun 30, 2008 9:26 AM CDT   0 recs

Statis-Pro Baseball

I played a similar game for a few years back in the 80’s. Statis-Pro used a big deck of random number cards rather than dice but also used player stats from the previous year.

It was a lot of fun. I remember when two college friends, one a Yankees fan and the other a Red Sox fan, insisted on replaying the 1978 one game playoff using that year’s cards and the same line-ups. The game didn’t go anything like the real game until Bucky Dent hit a game winning home run in the 9th.

I guess some things were just meant to be.

by John in DC on Jun 30, 2008 10:03 AM CDT   0 recs

Sports Illustrated Superstar Baseball

This one used three dice and pages with color-coded charts for batters and pitchers….we had a league one year when I was in school playing with the all-time greats from the different teams. I had the Cubbies, naturally, and got quite a lesson in some of the historical holes in our lineup (LHPs, for example, and leadoff hitters).

It was a great way to learn about some of the old-time players – and to see just how many great players teams like the Pirates and (sorry…) Cardinals have had. And to understand just why the Yankees have been so incredibly dominant – their second-string lineup was better than most teams’ starters.

"Eighty-five percent of the world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here." - Lee Elia, 1983

"The only thing that bothers me is that I would never want to destroy the love and what the fans of Chicago are to the Chicago Cubs. I mean, God knows. If there's one pure thing in baseball, it is the fans of Chicago." - Lee Elia, 2008

by CaughtInTheVines on Jun 30, 2008 10:29 AM CDT   0 recs

By the way....

...Johnny Evers, pictured in my icon, was a solid performer for me!

"Eighty-five percent of the world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here." - Lee Elia, 1983

"The only thing that bothers me is that I would never want to destroy the love and what the fans of Chicago are to the Chicago Cubs. I mean, God knows. If there's one pure thing in baseball, it is the fans of Chicago." - Lee Elia, 2008

by CaughtInTheVines on Jun 30, 2008 10:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I loved the baseball board games.

I began playing All-Star Baseball when I was young. I actually remember as a 8 or 9 year old writing Cadaco and offering them a terribly small amount of money for any other seasons they may have ever made. They sent me back the full brochure and I promptly ordered 8-10 old years. And Ballhawk, I made my own cards, too. It was awesome.

I played PtP and Strat as well, but my real love ended up being APBA (another board & dice game). I played their baseball, football, hockey, and bowling (yes, I was a nerd, so what?) games religiously for years. I still whip out the baseball game (I ended up buying several old seasons of APBA cards as well) every now and then and play a game against the wife. Mostly though, I’m keeping it all so maybe my kids can get into it, or at least share in the experience with me a few times before firing up their PS2, Wii, etc.

I’d be interested in hearing more about the Diamond Mind game people have mentioned above. What’s that about? I’d played APBA on PC years ago, but since I haven’t given too much thought to this stuff. Good times though. Wow. These games were my childhood.

"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young

by Kegler on Jun 30, 2008 12:35 PM CDT   0 recs

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