2 Damn Close
That was what BCB reader San Diego Smooth Jazz Man text-messaged me right after the Cubs' 7-6 win over the Padres, their eighth in a row, ended last night just after midnight Central time.
This was far too late for me; I made it through four innings and then went to sleep. (In fact, I can't believe the phone beep from the text message didn't wake me up, as the phone was right next to me -- I really must have been out cold.)
In any case, yes, Carlos Marmol, showing signs of overwork, gave up a three-run homer to Adrian Gonzalez (raising the question: why wasn't Scott Eyre or Neal Cotts in the game in the 9th, instead of your premier setup man), making what appeared to be an easy win into a close game and forcing Lou to summon Kerry Wood to save the game for the fifth time during this winning streak. Wood's 15 saves now rank second in the National League, tied with Jose Valverde of Houston, one behind Brian Wilson of the Giants. This has prompted Lou to again bring up the idea of a 13th pitcher on the staff.
To which I say: don't do it, Lou. Yes, starters need to go consistently deeper into games, and we all knew Z wasn't going to do that last night after his 130-pitch outing last Wednesday, and especially, Paul Sullivan writes, after his histrionics early in last night's game:
After the Cubs scored on a wild pitch in the second, Zambrano got two quick outs before walking Jody Gerut. He leaped off the mound like Pete Townshend at a Who concert, prompting Piniella to make his first visit of the night.
Zambrano calmed down, relatively speaking. When he tripled to the gap in right-center in the fourth, tying the game at 3-3 with his first triple since 2005, Zambrano chugged into third, pumped his first and let out a primal scream.
Bringing another pitching body on board would likely mean either Mike Fontenot or Micah Hoffpauir would be sent to Iowa (Gordon Wittenmyer says it'd be Hoffpauir), leaving the bench as: Henry Blanco, whoever isn't playing CF (Jim Edmonds or Reed Johnson), Ronny Cedeno and the one of Hoffpauir or Fontenot who isn't sent down. That just isn't a deep enough bench, especially with the number of comeback wins and extra-inning games this team has played.
The rant and complaint department is now closed. How can you complain about yet another comeback win? Z got hit hard in the first inning but shut the Padres down after that, and so did the bullpen until Marmol in the 9th. Z also had his second game of the year in which he's had three or more hits; he is now hitting .366 with a .537 SLG and an OPS+ of 130. Just for comparison's sake, since Ted Williams hit .406 in 1941, the most at-bats by anyone who hit .400 or more in a season is 134, by Bob "Hurricane" Hazle for the 1957 Milwaukee Braves. Z has an outside shot at being a .400 hitter with maybe 100 at-bats (he now has 41). And this in a year when the same Braves' Chipper Jones enters today hitting .407.
And... those of us who said Jim Edmonds was D-O-N-E... well, we just might be wrong. Edmonds had two more doubles yesterday and is now hitting .286/.324/.543 in 12 games with 7 RBI. This would make him a more-than-acceptable platoon partner with Reed Johnson. With a lefthander (Wil Ledezma) going tonight, it's likely Edmonds will sit, and Lou also says he's giving Kosuke Fukudome the day off to spend with his wife and baby son, just arrived in the USA from Japan. So expect Johnson in CF, Mark DeRosa in RF, and Ronny Cedeno at 2B, an all-right-handed lineup tonight.
About streaks... the only winning streaks the Cubs have had since 1945 (when they won 11 in a row from July 1-12) that are longer than eight games were a 10-gamer from April 14-27, 1970, and a 12-gamer from May 19-June 2, 2001.
Let's add to that list tonight. Onward in this exceptional baseball season.
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Z needs to keep it together
It’s really too bad when all of us fans are sitting at home glued to the TV hoping that Big Z will get a good base hit or something to cheer him up, so he will stop throwing a fit on the mound and keep us in the game. Z is a great pitcher, but I would hate to see him get stuck in another mental rut.
by adam316 on
Jun 3, 2008 8:33 AM CDT
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FWIW...
...he’s really been remarkably better w/ the hysterics this year. Until last night.
What was different last night vs. his previous starts this season?
by Shawon O Meter on
Jun 3, 2008 9:30 AM CDT
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Hitting
was awesome. It was great to see that from him. It was very obvious to me though that he was getting very frustrated at the beginning, and was just chucking the ball in there with no control. Shades of Z from previous seasons. He’s been so good this year, I really hope he stays that way.
by adam316 on
Jun 3, 2008 9:33 AM CDT
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he looked the same as the previous start
he was able to pitch through it last start, and after the first was able to pitch though it this start. it looks as though he’s just getting a little lazy with his mechanics, some sinkers flatened out as he was too sidearmed then other times i saw him driving straight down the top of the ball which he doesnt normally do. im sure he will get comfortable again, and its good to see that even when he’s not on top of his game he can still deliver a quality start.
The Aramis BB/K Watch: 34 walks to 33 strikeouts. Im not sure who the last Cub to have more bb's than k's was, but Im sure it was a very long time ago.
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Jun 3, 2008 10:00 AM CDT
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Question
Was it discussed last night? Because I saw a guy early in the game wearing the HOWRY COW shirt. Wasnt SWL at the game? Fricken hilarious.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
Jun 3, 2008 8:35 AM CDT
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Yeah, it was
I brought it up in the first thread, but the FanPost has an actual screencap! : )
"I'm the glue, baby." -- Mark DeRosa, about his role on the team
by bluebythebook on
Jun 3, 2008 9:18 AM CDT
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I happen to like the rant and complaint dept.
It let’s me know I’m among friends! LOL
I know it’s kind of silly for me to complain about aspects of last night’s game but I’m a Cubs fan, it’s my birthright.
by AlabamaCubFan on
Jun 3, 2008 8:47 AM CDT
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A win is a win is a win
yes, there is plenty to complain about, and I realize that a season is not won in June, but right now I’m enjoying the results.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel
by Blue W on
Jun 3, 2008 8:53 AM CDT
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Cotts
Well, Cotts couldn’t have come in the 9th since he already helped out in the 7th. He threw 4 straight balls to lead off the inning, before finding his stuff and getting everyone else out.
Also, I’d like to mention Soriano was taken out in the double-switch in the 9th inning for defensive replacement Reed Johnson. Lou has now taken Soriano out in the 9th for the 2nd time in as many days I believe, granted it’s probably because he’s getting the last out for the Cubs on the offensive side, but it’s still good to see. I have my doubts if Soriano could have even caught that warning track flyball from Michael Barrett.
by southloop on
Jun 3, 2008 8:56 AM CDT
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It strikes me as a move that winning teams do
by AlabamaCubFan on
Jun 3, 2008 8:57 AM CDT
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3 times in 3 games
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
Jun 3, 2008 8:59 AM CDT
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What exactly do you have a problem with?
This is what is called situational baseball and having confidence in all of your 25 men on the active roster——meaning winning as a team. Piniella double switched recently for the following; DLee (with Blanco but got stung), Soto with Blanco, DeRosa with Cedeno, DeRosa with Fontenot, later Fontenot with Cedeno, now Soriano with Reed. I am certain there will be others.
This means there are no players on the field immune or special status and be ready if you are on the bench to play.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on
Jun 3, 2008 9:47 AM CDT
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Me?
I dont have a problem with it at all. Just verifying that it was 3 times in 3 games and not 2. Switch him out, switch em all out, I trust Lou.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
Jun 3, 2008 9:50 AM CDT
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Looking out at the schedule challenge and the toll that playing on the road has
I think the Cubs might consider to bring up E-Patterson and switch out Hoffpauir who is a real liability in the OF, where they can rotate DeRosa 4-5 times a week.
The only bright spot in the road games is the 3-game stint at Comiskey (err Cellular) where the Cubs can still sleep in their own beds.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on
Jun 3, 2008 12:47 PM CDT
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If the Hoff has no position and is a professional bat,
what value does he have at AAA for an NL team? Does he have value to any other club? For instance, the bosox with Ortiz going on the DL?
(I could unkindly say the white sox need a bat at first base. Somehow the fantasy autodraft was nice enough to give me both Konerko and Thome.)
by N Oakley on
Jun 3, 2008 1:05 PM CDT
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White Sox have better version of Hoff in Eldred.
And the Red Sox can play Youk at 1B, as well as Lowell. Seattle might be a place to look, though, if you’re interested in dealing a guy with Hoff’s skills to an AL team.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Jun 3, 2008 1:08 PM CDT
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I thought Youk was already at first and Lowell was third with Ortiz at DH. I forgot they had Sean Casey.
by N Oakley on
Jun 3, 2008 1:24 PM CDT
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I got...
Konerko and Swisher…an amazing offensive force
"The 12 second rule is how long it takes Carlos Lee to hear, turn around, run over, find and eat a hot dog dropped by a fan in the Crawford Boxes at Minute Maid park" - ballhawk
by MScubbie on
Jun 3, 2008 1:09 PM CDT
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I'm going to name my ulcer Vlad Guerrero.
He was killing my team, and now he’s hurt. Oh, joy.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Jun 3, 2008 1:11 PM CDT
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Lou's done that 3 days in a row.
and Sori seems to be okay with it, but this:
I have my doubts if Soriano could have even caught that warning track flyball from Michael Barrett.
strikes me as a bit hyperbolic. There’s no reason to think that. Hell, it was nighttime. Even in California, the sun doesn’t shine in the nighttime.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Jun 3, 2008 9:00 AM CDT
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Well...
I have visions of Soriano missing pretty easy fly balls in the St. Louis night game a few weeks back, still fresh in my head. No sun to bother him there.
Yeah, he just came off the D/L then so I’d like to give him the benefit of doubt on those. I still think Lou is doing the right thing now.
by southloop on
Jun 3, 2008 9:03 AM CDT
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I agree that it's the right move
but not because of month-old mistakes. Sori’s legs aren’t right and until they are, late-inning defensive sub’s are in order.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Jun 3, 2008 9:06 AM CDT
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LSA
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jun 3, 2008 9:11 AM CDT
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I wish I could have seen that last play
I’d be curious to give it a look. Either way, thank God Lou made the switch (again).
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on
Jun 3, 2008 9:16 AM CDT
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Barrett looked like he got all of a Wood fastball,
but it was really high and fell about 3 feet shy of the wall, right into Reed’s glove.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Jun 3, 2008 9:23 AM CDT
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Remember
The first game back for Latroy Hawkins? Barrett absolutely demolished the first pitch into the bleachers.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
Jun 3, 2008 9:35 AM CDT
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Yeah. That was a shot.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Jun 3, 2008 9:43 AM CDT
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Yeah, when the ball left Barrett's bat my heart sunk.
The headline - “Michael’s Revenge” - flashed before my eyes. I could see all the DUBWITs in town warming up their fingers to type hyperbolic rants about Barrett getting payback for the literal ass-whupping he took from Big Z last year. Then the ball dropped into RJ’s glove and all was right with the world again .
And, yes, I’m glad Johnson was playing left field. I’m not going to state definitively that Soriano would have dropped that ball. He would’ve had plenty of time to camp under it. But, yeah, I’m glad RJ was out there.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on
Jun 3, 2008 9:40 AM CDT
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Good news- win
Bad news- Marmol got used AGAIN.
Is there any reason Lou is unwilling to use Cotts, Eyre and Lieber to simply eat some innings? Good lord, the poor kid’s arm is going to fall off.
At this rate Marmol will throw 110 innings this year- that may end up being more than Eyre, Cotts and Lieber combined.
*Synth intro to "Jump"*
by SouthsideCub on
Jun 3, 2008 8:58 AM CDT
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Uh, well, Lou did use Lieber and Cotts.
I thought Lieber probably could have gone another inning, but I believe Lou was playing lefty matchups by bringing in Cotts (who, after that initial walk, looked pretty effective to me). The weak link last night was definitely Michael Wuertz, who simply could not throw strikes. Marmol came in and cleaned up his mess, but then Carlos was apparently overextended by going into the ninth (though, let’s be honest, Gonzalez has been just about the only thing red hot about the Padres this season).
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on
Jun 3, 2008 9:08 AM CDT
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Jason Marquis
will throw a complete game tonight to rest the bullpen. Mark that down. It’s my prediction.
After tonight’s game I’ll tell you whether or not I was joking.
by daeviant on
Jun 3, 2008 9:11 AM CDT
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Complete game?
Cubs better score 12 runs then.
by salparadise23 on
Jun 3, 2008 10:36 AM CDT
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Lou may go LaRussa on Marquis
and let him give up 10 earned.
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
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Jun 3, 2008 2:19 PM CDT
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Wow, I could actually see that happening.
Of course, in Jason’s favor is the fact that is the San Diego Padres we’re talking about. I mean, how many times can Adrian Gonzalez bat an inning?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on
Jun 3, 2008 2:26 PM CDT
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do we really wanna
wonder that? i just got a little queasy thinking about a gonzalez batting against marquis. ::Shudder::
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Jun 3, 2008 3:52 PM CDT
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Theory
Lou and Jim sat around a few months ago and spoke about what they might do to upgrade the team if things were going well.
Lou said: “We might have our left handed power with that guy from Japan, but I’m worried about starting pitching depth.”
Jim said: “I’ll keep on Baltimore, and we have some good arms down in the minors. If something good comes along, I’ll jump on it, but I think we have some SP options in house.”
Lou: “What if Fukudome doesn’t have the power stroke? What if we have another Ichiro on our hands? Not the worst thing in the world, but could we get another lefty bat?”
Jim: “At the trade deadline, there will always be corner outfield and relief pitching help. If we are doing well, no problem.”
Lou: “Hmmm, so you are saying that we can get relief help at the trade deadline? So it wouldn’t be a problem for me to just use up our good relievers early in the year, because we can bring in another quality arm or two for the second half and dump the crappy relievers?”
Jim: “Sure, no problem, go nuts.”
Lou: “Ok, get me that second baseman, we won’t have anybody who can hit up the middle!”
They didn’t get everything right, but I bet they still are pretty sure they can pick up a hot handed reliever and so aren’t as worried about overusing Marmol. Just a theory.
by cheshirecub on
Jun 3, 2008 10:14 AM CDT
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Uhh, didn’t he use Cotts and Lieber to eat innings last night?
mmmm. . . tastes like chicken.
by leothelip on
Jun 3, 2008 9:08 AM CDT
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loved all them Cubs fans
really sounded like a home game on TV. Nice to see the Cubs pull out wins while giving rest to some of the regulars. Let’s hope that continues again tonight. Would love to see Dome play this whole series as a gapper or shot down the line could easily turn into a stand up triple as Z demonstrated last night but he definitely has earned a night off. Plus will be much more of the same when we move on to LA.
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on
Jun 3, 2008 9:17 AM CDT
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since I wasn't awake to post it last night...
CUBS WIN! CUBS WIN! CUBS WIN!

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on
Jun 3, 2008 9:17 AM CDT
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I'm going to try to stay up for tonight's game.
we’ll see what the wife thinks about that, tho…
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on
Jun 3, 2008 9:48 AM CDT
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IMO
Give her chocolate. It always works in my house LOL
by AlabamaCubFan on
Jun 3, 2008 9:55 AM CDT
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she doesn't like chocolate.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on
Jun 3, 2008 10:28 AM CDT
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Well then I got nothing
LOL. Glad things went well this am
by AlabamaCubFan on
Jun 3, 2008 10:29 AM CDT
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honestly
being up at 6 am this morning probably means I don’t make it anyway, but if it’s a quick game…
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on
Jun 3, 2008 10:39 AM CDT
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hey Drew
Hope everything went okay this morning.
"I'm the glue, baby." -- Mark DeRosa, about his role on the team
by bluebythebook on
Jun 3, 2008 10:08 AM CDT
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:)
it all went fine, I’ll know the results in a few days. BUT! I missed my big chance!
The scan took about five minutes of actually being in the machine. As I was sitting up afterwards, the tech said: “look at that giant spider!” Sure enough, a quarter-sized arachnid was crawing up out of the opening for the scanner.
And that’s how I missed becoming SpiderMan by about sixty seconds. Drat the luck!
Maybe I need to go find a vat of radioactive waste…
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on
Jun 3, 2008 10:28 AM CDT
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You could just go swimming in Lake Michigan
Plenty of god-knows-what goes into the lake from the steel mills.
Anyway, hope the results are positive.
[I just saw a spider skitter down the frame of my window. heh.]
"I'm the glue, baby." -- Mark DeRosa, about his role on the team
by bluebythebook on
Jun 3, 2008 11:05 AM CDT
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Wait, that sounds bad
Positive in the “good, nothing is wrong” sense.
Not the “you have tested positive for _ ” sense.
I stayed up waaay too late last night.
"I'm the glue, baby." -- Mark DeRosa, about his role on the team
by bluebythebook on
Jun 3, 2008 11:06 AM CDT
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Glad things went
well today and hope you get good results.
by sue369 on
Jun 3, 2008 1:36 PM CDT
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loved your honeymoon pix
what a great time you two had!
by Emelie on
Jun 3, 2008 10:12 AM CDT
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it was a blast, right up till the ankle.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on
Jun 3, 2008 10:29 AM CDT
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http://newdrew.net/honeymoon/toc.html
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on
Jun 3, 2008 1:36 PM CDT
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Thanks Drew.
Fantastic photos and you and your wife make a very cute couple. Congratulations on your marriage.
by sue369 on
Jun 3, 2008 1:57 PM CDT
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aw, shucks...
twaren’t nuthin…
Next stop, hopefully: babyland…
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on
Jun 3, 2008 2:06 PM CDT
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very, very cool
Congratulations!
Go ahead, Z me.
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Jun 3, 2008 2:51 PM CDT
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Congratulations... great pix
Hope all is well with the bad wheel
"My body is a temple.... a temple of doom." -source unknown
by Basman on
Jun 3, 2008 4:28 PM CDT
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13th Pitcher?
Someone explain this to me. Is it temporary move for Lou to rest some of the bullpen arms? Hoffpauir may in fact be sent down but D. Ward will eventually come back. What then?
by Holy Cow on
Jun 3, 2008 9:18 AM CDT
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I wonder if it has to do with the June schedule
West coast. Cooperstown for a day. Only 9 home dates.
Could be a factor.
by AlabamaCubFan on
Jun 3, 2008 9:21 AM CDT
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Cooperstown is an off day.
I doubt you’ll see any major league pitchers in that game. The Cubs will call up minor leaguers to pitch.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jun 3, 2008 9:23 AM CDT
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Be nice to see Samardjza
I guess I was thinking about the travel, logistics, etc.
by AlabamaCubFan on
Jun 3, 2008 9:25 AM CDT
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Yes, the travel & logistics are an issue...
... but at least the pitchers won’t be pitching.
Depending on where the minor league clubs are playing at the time, you just might see Samardzija, and maybe Donnie Veal, too.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jun 3, 2008 9:29 AM CDT
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Dang misspelled his name
We gotta get a good nickname for him soon. LOL
by AlabamaCubFan on
Jun 3, 2008 9:32 AM CDT
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The Shark
That was his nickname at Notre Dame.
by Holy Cow on
Jun 3, 2008 9:39 AM CDT
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I prefer something that doesn't remind me of his days at Notre Dame
Sooner fan here. LOL
by AlabamaCubFan on
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how about baby cow
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
by carolinacub on
Jun 3, 2008 1:07 PM CDT
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oh you meant samardjzziaska
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
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Marmol
Stats slightly skewed from last night, but…
Carlos first inning in a game
29.2 IP, 5 ER, 1.51 ERA
Carlos second inning in a game (defined by Cubs batting in between)
8.1 IP, 5 ER, 5.40 ERA
My comment here is that in addition to being potentially overworked and effective so far this year, we are pushing our luck bringing him back for more work after he gets thorough one inning.
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Jun 3, 2008 9:20 AM CDT
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Saw this question in last night's thread
Thanks for the breakdown.
Obviously it’s a smaller sample size but wow.
by AlabamaCubFan on
Jun 3, 2008 9:22 AM CDT
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Yes, this makes sense.
Marmol is an excellent one-inning pitcher. I wouldn’t put him out there for a second one except in an emergency.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jun 3, 2008 9:24 AM CDT
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Impossible
To draw any conclusion whatsoever from that. Take out yesterday’s performance and he’d been 7+ innings with 2ER, which is still pretty darn good.
He’s been overused, I’m not arguing that, just saying those stats don’t mean anything.
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Jun 3, 2008 11:35 AM CDT
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I wish I could find it but
I saw about a week ago the full pitching line for Marmol in his second inning (before last night’s game) WHIP goes up and k/inning go way down in second innning. I only had time (and resources fankly) to calculate ERA this morning.
Either way, I was suprprised to see him come out for the 9th last night.
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There was an interesting discussion between BB and Len on Sunday
talking about overlapping innings for relievers.
Eyre and Howry did it the other day and I can remember thinking it was odd to have to relievers do that back to back
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Jim Edmonds
Well, I’ve waited long enough, and finally have to say it. How about Jim Edmonds? I wasn’t a big fan of his signing, but I stuck by the belief that he should be given a chance, and also noted the fact that he often starts out the season slow and then heats up. Is he heating up now? It sure seems like for a 37 year old veteran, that maybe he is.
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yes
he looked much better last night. pulling high fastballs, finally driving the ball with authority. hopefully he can sustain this stroke to some extent.
The Aramis BB/K Watch: 34 walks to 33 strikeouts. Im not sure who the last Cub to have more bb's than k's was, but Im sure it was a very long time ago.
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SD Revenge Factor
I expected Edmonds to do well against the team that just released him. I can’t wait to see him play in LA and see if he can maintain his 286 BA there over the 4 game series. Nonetheless, he has bought more time in a Cubs uniform if he can keep his BA close to 300.
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Jun 3, 2008 10:29 AM CDT
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13 pitchers
Lou isn’t consistently using everyone in the bullpen now, bringing up another reliever would be pointless. If he is bringing in Marmol up 4 with a 12 man bullpen, would bringing up another pitcher really change that?
Side note, we are lucky to be able to watch Z, Len echoed that thought last night. I know Z was a bit unstable on the mound and that is where we need him most but last night watching him bust it for the triple and beat out that bunt was awesome, he is fun to watch.
Lets do it Cubbies
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Jun 3, 2008 9:24 AM CDT
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Agreed
Don’t bring up a 13th. The bench is too short already. Lou needs to make better use of the pitchers he has. No reason Lieber couldn’t have gone another inning last night. No reason why Marmol should have been in the game at all.
"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979
by danimal15 on
Jun 3, 2008 10:12 AM CDT
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From the Box score
It seems that Lou wasn’t planning on bringing Marmol in, until Wuertz walked 2 batters and was perhaps headed for disaster. Maybe Lou pulled Wuertz too quickly, but you don’t want your relievers giving up walks to 2 of 3 batters in that situation (or any).
by Luis on
Jun 3, 2008 11:44 AM CDT
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Jose Ascanio...
Did I miss something, is he still with the big club? A 4 run lead heading to the 9th should see someone like him – first sign of serious trouble, go to your closer.
I'm not a religious man, but I pray for Carlos Marmol's arm.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on
Jun 3, 2008 9:35 AM CDT
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He was sent down...
...to bring Cotts back.
by Shawon O Meter on
Jun 3, 2008 9:36 AM CDT
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Countdown to MDBNIU rant about bringing up Cotts and sending down Ascanio...
...and a five and a four and a three and a two…
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on
Jun 3, 2008 9:42 AM CDT
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OT: Alou...again
Just saw this show up on ESPN.com:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3423732
What a jackass. If he really wants the story to go away for Bartman’s sake, WTF does he keep talking about it!? He could have taken the high road after the last media mention of it…what purpose does it serve to rehash things AND re-blame the guy?!
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Jun 3, 2008 9:42 AM CDT
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He wins the "Just Shut Up" Award
Or maybe we should give it to ESPN for even printing the story.
Seriously, though, what is the point of Alou talking about this over and over again? Or of reporters continuing to ask about it, for that matter? I am so sick of it – no one with half a brain is still sitting around worrying about Steve Bartman.
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Jun 3, 2008 9:48 AM CDT
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Deferring criticism of him peeing on his hands.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
Jun 3, 2008 9:51 AM CDT
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Well, the question seems to be...
...is Alou rehashing it or do reporters keep asking him about it? If the latter, I guess he could just refuse to comment, but that’s probably not Moises’ style. And I’m not sure where you’re getting that he’s “re-blaming” Bartman. From that article:
“It’s time to forgive the guy and move on. I said that the night it happened,’’ Alou said, according to the Post.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on
Jun 3, 2008 9:50 AM CDT
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So I'm thinking maybe...
... we need to stop talking about it, too.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jun 3, 2008 10:08 AM CDT
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RFLSA
My own take on LSA. First word is really
by gocubsgo22 on
Jun 3, 2008 11:17 AM CDT
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And I'm guessing..
The second word isn’t floor?
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
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Jun 3, 2008 11:35 AM CDT
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Funny.
He gives applause in a fit of laughs.
"And there's a...BASE HIT! Fair ball! Fontenot will score! CUBS WIN!" -Len Kasper, 5.28.08
by neverAcquiesce on
Jun 3, 2008 11:45 AM CDT
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Did you read the article? And check the schedule?
The “last media mention of it” came from a brief conversation an AP columnist purported to have with Alou during a chance encounter at a department store last March. Today’s espn.com story more or less comes from the Palm Beach Post, a Florida paper, and is a result of a reporter asking Alou questions. And guess what – the Marlins played the Mets last week.
So no, Alou is not re-hashing it and he’s not re-blaming the guy. It’s the media that won’t let this go. Next time, please do a little research and try to understand the context of the situation before you unjustly start calling people names.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
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Jun 3, 2008 10:51 AM CDT
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That's not a "little research"...
...it’s an EXCEPTIONAL amount of research that the public (read: me) generally won’t, and can’t be expected to do when perusing an a front-page ESPN story. Am I more likely to google “Palm Beach Post” to find out that it’s a South Florida (California? Wisconsin? Ok, not Wisconsin…) rag, then bust out a Mets schedule to deduce that the questions must have come from a beat reporter from last week’s series…or base my initial reaction to the opening line of the article (“Moises Alou wants to set the record straight—again.”)?
So…nice legwork ‘hawk. You busted me for falling prey to the sneaky, evil media. I’ll try to be more discerning next time, and you can call me out when I regress and become stupid again.
Now that I’ve learned my one new thing for the day, can I go home now?
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Jun 3, 2008 12:11 PM CDT
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Only if you promise to crack open a cold one tonight and cheer on the cubs
and by ‘cold one’, I’m referring to beer, soda, leftover pizza, eskimo pie… whatever helps you chill. And I’ll do the same.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
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Jun 3, 2008 12:47 PM CDT
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your eskimo pie
goes “clink”?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on
Jun 3, 2008 1:32 PM CDT
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Actually that was...
...my pizza. Guess I’ve got my fridge turned a bit low.
by Shawon O Meter on
Jun 3, 2008 1:44 PM CDT
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The key to that article and the whole incident is ....
A few pitches later, Cubs shortstop Alex Gonzalez botched a grounder that should have been an inning-ending double play.Period. End of story.
"My body is a temple.... a temple of doom." -source unknown
by Basman on
Jun 3, 2008 4:29 PM CDT
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I meant to put that in quotes or highlight it ...ooops
"My body is a temple.... a temple of doom." -source unknown
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Jun 3, 2008 4:30 PM CDT
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LSA
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
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Jun 3, 2008 4:30 PM CDT
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Winning Streaks
Cubs also had a 10 gamer in 1998 – May 29 to June 8.
Dang...I just want something to root for in September
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Jun 3, 2008 10:04 AM CDT
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I still remember that 12 game one...
From what? 2001? If I’m remembering correctly, it came right AFTER an 8-game LOSING streak, which made all the more sweet!
Wait a minute... who am I here?
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Jun 3, 2008 10:37 AM CDT
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Wood vs. Radke
I was at the Humperdome to see this one end vs. the Twins in 1998. Woody got rocked and Radke pitched a CG gem. Cubs lost 8-0, and the streak ended at 10. Miserable enough watching a baseball game in that sorry excuse for a sports arena. More miserable watching that happen.
by Elia'sTirade on
Jun 3, 2008 11:44 AM CDT
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The mere fact...
...of him stating that he would have caught the ball shifts the blame off of Alou and back to the worlds most famous Renegades fan.
My point is that it’s fairly preposterous of him to say “forgive the guy” and also “I would have caught the ball” in the same breath.
by Shawon O Meter on
Jun 3, 2008 10:04 AM CDT
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Gah...
That was supposed to be a reply for Daver.
by Shawon O Meter on
Jun 3, 2008 10:05 AM CDT
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Yeah, that occurred to me after I wrote what I did...
...and it’s a valid point. Something tells me if you asked Alou about the incident once a month for the rest of his life, he’d give you a different answer every time.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on
Jun 3, 2008 10:31 AM CDT
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Crazy friggin split line for tonight
Cards at Nats
Pujols vs Perez:
21 AB
14 H
3 2B
0 3B
5 HR
15 RBI
9 BB
1 K
.667 BA
.767 OBP
1.524 SLG
2.290 OPS
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
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Jun 3, 2008 10:09 AM CDT
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I'd walk him every time up.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jun 3, 2008 10:10 AM CDT
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+1
You gotta go all Kelly Leak on him for sure
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I'd HIT him
:)
Wait a minute... who am I here?
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Jun 3, 2008 10:37 AM CDT
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Oh, yeah?
Then he’d just break your nose with a comebacker and snap your catcher’s ankle for good measure.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on
Jun 3, 2008 10:48 AM CDT
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he's such a bully... :P
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on
Jun 3, 2008 10:49 AM CDT
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And kill your dog.
"And there's a...BASE HIT! Fair ball! Fontenot will score! CUBS WIN!" -Len Kasper, 5.28.08
by neverAcquiesce on
Jun 3, 2008 10:49 AM CDT
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Yeah, probably eat the last donut, too.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on
Jun 3, 2008 10:49 AM CDT
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I once saw him
scissor kick Angela Landsbury!
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel
by Blue W on
Jun 3, 2008 10:55 AM CDT
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but who hasn't wanted to do that?
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
by davidalanu on
Jun 3, 2008 2:34 PM CDT
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I once saw Albert stare down Chuck Norris and Chuck Norris blinked first
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
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Jun 3, 2008 11:06 AM CDT
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He once punched a hole in a cow
just to see who was coming up the road
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel
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Jun 3, 2008 11:10 AM CDT
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Funny you should say that
I saw (yesterday or the day before) that Pujols had a near .500 OBP yet something like 37 runs scored only. That really says a lot about the guys hitting after him.
by Luis on
Jun 3, 2008 11:50 AM CDT
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Another reason not to trust St. Louis.
There was no way Schumaker and Ludwick were going to keep up that pace, and Ankiel, despite his power, is likely a .265/.270 hitter, tops.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Jun 3, 2008 11:54 AM CDT
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Good for us.
"And there's a...BASE HIT! Fair ball! Fontenot will score! CUBS WIN!" -Len Kasper, 5.28.08
by neverAcquiesce on
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Ug-lee.
I usually avoid watching Cards games on FSN like the plague but I just may have to switch over and check his ABs tonight.
"And there's a...BASE HIT! Fair ball! Fontenot will score! CUBS WIN!" -Len Kasper, 5.28.08
by neverAcquiesce on
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13 pitchers
I don’t like this idea at all. For one thing, it means more pinch-hitting appearances for Z and Marquis, and you’d hate to see them get hurt on one of those.
Second – Lou needs to make better use of what he has now. No reason he couldn’t have let Lieber go three or four innings last night rather than taking him out for the matchups. He doesn’t need to use every pitcher in his pen every night. I think he was good earlier in the season letting his long man go long, but he’s gotten away from that, unfortunately.
I agree that Marmol is pitching too often and may a little tired. I can’t understand why Lou brought him in last night. More use needs to be made of Howry now that he’s back on track, and hopefully Wuertz can bounce back from his recent poor outings, because generally he’s quite good.
I don’t have a lot of confidence in Cotts or in Eyre, and it seems Lou doesn’t either.
One obvious solution is to get more innings from starters. I think the Cubs have had just two 8-inning outings to date. We need to have more games where only one (or no) relievers are needed in order to spell the pen. We don’t need an extra pitcher – just better use of what we have and better performance from the starters. Too many 5-inning outings lately.
"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979
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Jun 3, 2008 10:17 AM CDT
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Excellent analysis.
Yes, Lieber should be left in longer. He can handle it and that saves the rest of the pen.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jun 3, 2008 10:21 AM CDT
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I agree Dan
But that’s starting pitching in MLB these days.
It’s the crux of the discussions los Yanquis are having about Chamberlin
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Jun 3, 2008 10:22 AM CDT
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I am so tired of hearing about that.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jun 3, 2008 10:23 AM CDT
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Chamberlin or the fact that starters are only going 5 or 6 innings?
by AlabamaCubFan on
Jun 3, 2008 10:26 AM CDT
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Both.
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by Al on
Jun 3, 2008 10:45 AM CDT
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amen
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derek Lee, 5/29/08
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Jun 3, 2008 10:46 AM CDT
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Agreed on the Chamberlin issue
But pitching isn’t even remotely like it was when I first started watching baseball.
Of course that wasn’t like pitching in the 60’s with the higher mounds, etc
And that wasn’t like pitching in the dead ball era.
Starters don’t go as long now. IMO there are several really valid reasons for this. It’s part of what makes this team so fun to watch. The bullpen has really stepped up for the most part and that’s what you want in a championship team.
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ESPN isn't tired of telling you about it!
"The 12 second rule is how long it takes Carlos Lee to hear, turn around, run over, find and eat a hot dog dropped by a fan in the Crawford Boxes at Minute Maid park" - ballhawk
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Jun 3, 2008 10:36 AM CDT
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Part of me hopes
that Chamberlin gets shelled tonight. But unfortunately that would lead to a week’s worth of stories about how bad the decision was to move him to the rotation
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
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being a husker fan I kinda like it. even though I hate the yanks. I hope he wins with them.They suck anyway.
by huskercubby on
Jun 3, 2008 10:38 AM CDT
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I put him on my fantasy team
just because of the conversion to starter.
"The 12 second rule is how long it takes Carlos Lee to hear, turn around, run over, find and eat a hot dog dropped by a fan in the Crawford Boxes at Minute Maid park" - ballhawk
by MScubbie on
Jun 3, 2008 10:40 AM CDT
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Boomer Sooner ;)
I have to admit I’m a sucker for the story about his dad
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Pitchers rust before they wear out?
I think Cotts needs time to gain confidence, and keeping him in to get shelled is not good management. I do agree that guys like Lieber and Howry should be used more.
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Cubs bullpen use over the last 7 days
FYI – In the last seven days, here are the innings pitched an appearances by Cub relievers (I’d do the pitchcounts, too, but I just am not THAT motivated)... :)
Marmol 5 innnings 5 appearances
Wood 4 2/3 innnings 5 appearances
Wuertz 2 2/3 innnings 4 appearances
Howry 3 1/3 innnings 3 appearances
Cotts 2 2/3 innnings 3 appearances
Lieber 4 2/3 innnings 2 appearances
Eyre 1 innnings 2 appearances
Ascanio (Back in AAA) 1 innnings 1 appearance
by Slim1256 on
Jun 3, 2008 10:24 AM CDT
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One other thing...
The last week included the following starts from Cubs Starters
27-May Gallagher 7.0
28-May Zambrano 8.0
29-May Marquis 5.1
30-May Lilly 3.0
31-May Dempster 5.0
1-Jun Gallagher 5.2
2-Jun Zambrano 5.0
That’s 5 straight “non-quality” starts… Cubby starters need to start going a bit deeper, or the pen WILL be worn out after the break.
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Ouch (starters)
That just can’t go on. Lilly really needs to step it up. He should be going at least 7 in most of his starts.
"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979
by danimal15 on
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As does Marquis, who was signed as an innings eater.
He’s averaging about 5.5 IP per start; not exactly inning-eater performance…
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
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Lieber
Well, it does look like Lou had Lieber go long at least once in the last week, so that’s good. Maybe last night was an exception.
Let’s hope Marquis can throw a lot of innings tonight.
"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979
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Lieber went 3 2/3...
In Lilly’s 3 inning outing.
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The absolute imperative is to strengthen the rotation
Else we will have a deeply disappointing season in the end.
Get Rich Harden !! 7 starts, 3-0, 41 IP, 49 Ks, 2.61 ERA
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Jun 3, 2008 10:41 AM CDT
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Do you have anyone in particular in mind? (Daver rolls eyes.)
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on
Jun 3, 2008 10:45 AM CDT
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Mike Maroth.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
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Cy Young!
He’s dead, but how could that be any worse than hiring another DL-bound #3?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on
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I hear
that Guidry kid is a pretty good pitcher
Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
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Fontenot.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
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I watched a lot
of Cubs baseball back then and I have absolutely no memory of this guy. It looks like he got a lot of starts after the entire starting rotation went down.
Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
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That's exactly right.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
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And he sucked!
I remember him well. We dreaded having him come into a game. The saying was, “Oh no – Fontenot!”
"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979
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Throw multiple innings more often!
We’d have less bullpen problems if our middle guys threw more innings. Usage-wise, Marmol and Wood are being used later in games, but if any of Lieber, Wuertz, Cotts, Eyre, or Howry comes in and mows down the other team in their inning (or part of an inning), why not try and get another one out of them? If they struggle in inning #2, you would just bring in who you would have started the inning with anyway, and you use less of your bullpen. I was quite pleased when Lou was using Wuertz for multiple innings a week or so ago and wish he would continue with everyone
Is there any study about whether it is innings or appearances are more wearying for relievers?
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My problem is with...
the concept of the LOOGY. I think Stevie Ire should be pitching full innings… not 1/3 here, and 2/3 there.
Occasionally, the matchups dictate a guy just getting called in for just one batter, but I truly believe that is the exception as opposed to the rule.
Mix up the use of the pen (throw finesse guys after hard throwers, and vice versa) to give the opposition different looks, and trust your pen! For the most part, they’re showing they’ve earned that trust. Especially with 4 run leads!
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I agree. Howry seems to have gotten his act together...
Now Lou needs to let Eyre do the same thing.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on
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Which is it boys and girls?
On the one hand the saber-magicians go into vapor lock whenever a starting pitcher passes the 95 pitch mark. But on the other hand they lament that Sweet Lou is overworking Carlos Marmol and others. You can’t have it both ways.
The solution? We need to add a veteran stud to this rotation. Ted Lilly and Ryan Dempster also need to pitch deeper into games. Lilly has been doing his best Jason Marquis impersonation all season long while Piniella has been careful with Dempster.
Get Rich Harden !! 7 starts, 3-0, 41 IP, 49 Ks, 2.61 ERA
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Jun 3, 2008 10:59 AM CDT
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you can have it both ways
if the other pitchers are used in the bullpen
Scott Eyre hasn’t been used for more than 2 outs since May 21st and he’s allowed just 4 base-runners in his 5 total innings (which are spread out over NINE appearances)
you can have it both ways IF you use all of your bullpen instead of “shouldering” (pun intended) the load with just 2-3 guys
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Jun 3, 2008 11:01 AM CDT
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Exactly.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Jun 3, 2008 11:02 AM CDT
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oh, you eggy eggy person
and your ability to completely and utterly ignore what it is that people are REALLY saying.
Just above your “thoughts”, there are two posts. You, in fact, replied to one, although I’m sure it was just a random click.
“I think Stevie Ire should be pitching full innings… not 1/3 here, and 2/3 there.”
“Howry seems to have gotten his act together.”
“Now Lou needs to let Eyre do the same thing.”
Let the bullpen pick up more of the load.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derek Lee, 5/29/08
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I think i'm going to just post this in response from now on
Mr. MDBNIU, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Jun 3, 2008 11:08 AM CDT
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BIG +1
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on
Jun 3, 2008 11:10 AM CDT
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MDBNIU
I try to stay away from your posts because you take enough of a deserved beating. The problem is you really are in love with yourself, you probably know more about baseball than me and I really don’t care.
In 1 post above you are vague and present no solution when you said, “The absolute imperative is to strengthen the rotation Else we will have a deeply disappointing season in the end.”
You then in smarmy tone which I read all of your posts talk down to every in the title, “Which is it boys and girls?” Followed by the post, “On the one hand the saber-magicians go into vapor lock whenever a starting pitcher passes the 95 pitch mark. But on the other hand they lament that Sweet Lou is overworking Carlos Marmol and others. You can’t have it both ways.
The solution? We need to add a veteran stud to this rotation. Ted Lilly and Ryan Dempster also need to pitch deeper into games. Lilly has been doing his best Jason Marquis impersonation all season long while Piniella has been careful with Dempster.”
Where is this veteran stud you always talk about? I also want to add Brandon Webb or a healthy Jake Peavy. If you are going to rip everyone for being on the fence then come up with a logical solution that could actually work.
Lets do it Cubbies
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Jun 3, 2008 11:50 AM CDT
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his solution
is Rich Harden…
i know!
no seriously, he thinks Rich Harden is the answer
no REALLY, stop laughing
That’s a good point! I’m not sure if he IS aware Harden hasn’t pitched more than 5 consecutive starts without getting hurt since 2005
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Jun 3, 2008 11:56 AM CDT
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And Harden tossed 115 pitches last night.
Of course Billy Beane is anxious to deal him, he knows that shoulder has about a 60-inning limit.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Jun 3, 2008 11:57 AM CDT
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last night
was also his 5th consecutive start, that’s been the breaking point (it’s likely coincidence) in each of the last two years
by DartmouthCubsFan on
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My other favorite
is I know MDBNIU has said it is a Lou love fest on BCB but in one of his post today said we are hammering the skipper for the use of Marmol, again I’m not trying to pile on but I can only take so many contradictions with his smarmy tone.
Lets do it Cubbies
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Jun 3, 2008 12:04 PM CDT
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Likely a coincidence, yes, but
it has been around that 40-50 inning mark that he’s broken down. Like I said, I’d bet Beane is willing to deal him soon, because he’s no dummy and he could probably foist an injury waiting to happen on someone for a pile of prospects.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Jun 3, 2008 12:06 PM CDT
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Re: "Billy Beane is anxious to deal him..."
Whoa – just had a thought that blows my mind…
MDBNIU = Billy Beane
Farfetched, but it would make a lot of sense – the smarmyness, the constant display of tremendous baseball acumen, the signature line…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on
Jun 3, 2008 12:53 PM CDT
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Yeah, and it would explain the "saber-magician" thing, too.
Beane is probably bitter about being forever associated with “Moneyball” and the stats crowd.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on
Jun 3, 2008 12:57 PM CDT
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you probably know more about baseball than me.
that’s a harsh way of insulting yourself… Hell it’s not something you say even if you’re being sarcastic.
by ecbc on
Jun 3, 2008 1:21 PM CDT
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I wasn't trying to insult myself
simply getting one of his points out of the way.
Lets do it Cubbies
by slocs55 on
Jun 3, 2008 1:46 PM CDT
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Which is it
Rich Harden is not a veteran stud
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
Jun 3, 2008 12:03 PM CDT
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Correct.
He’s also essentially a reclamation project.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on
Jun 3, 2008 12:07 PM CDT
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Dyslexic?
maybe he meant veteran “dust”, as in what that arm would surely turn into after a half-dozen starts…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
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Jun 3, 2008 12:56 PM CDT
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you just blew my mind
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
Jun 3, 2008 12:59 PM CDT
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again the most practical response...
eggs
by Madison Cub Fan on
Jun 3, 2008 5:10 PM CDT
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On XM
Not sure how many of you tuned in to the XM Broadcast, I did, and Jerry Coleman kept telling Andy, that Edmonds missed spring training, suggesting that it accounted for his horrible performance while with the Pads. I was not aware he had missed ST.
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Jun 3, 2008 10:17 AM CDT
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calf injury
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
Jun 3, 2008 10:19 AM CDT
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Ahhh
Thanks…so it sidelined him all through march?
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Yeah, and rumors in SD
said it wasn’t fully healed when he came back.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Jun 3, 2008 10:24 AM CDT
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I looked this up.
Edmonds did play in four ST games, going 1-for-6. But yes, essentially he did miss the entire spring.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jun 3, 2008 10:24 AM CDT
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Padres
This makes it hard to understand why the Padres gave up on him so fast. If he missed all of spring training, then you would expect his first month of the year to be horrible – and it was.
Surely they took his lack of a spring into account when judging his slow start.
by MadHatterBlues on
Jun 3, 2008 10:43 AM CDT
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Apparently not.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jun 3, 2008 10:45 AM CDT
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Padres didn't think he could handle Petco's mammoth centerfield.
That’s one answer. The other answer is that the saber-magician trifecta of Sandy Alderson, Paul DePodesta and Grady Fuson have way too much time on their hands and won’t let Kevin Towers do his job.
Get Rich Harden !! 7 starts, 3-0, 41 IP, 49 Ks, 2.61 ERA
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Jun 3, 2008 11:01 AM CDT
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interesting
so when the Padres kept building NL West contenders it was all Kevin Towers and none of the help from the saber-magicians
Now when their entire rotation goes down and they suck, it’s the saber-magicians fault
nice rationale
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Jun 3, 2008 11:03 AM CDT
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Did the park
get larger after they signed him? They knew this before trading for him…
by cozmotaylor123 on
Jun 3, 2008 11:44 AM CDT
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Exactly.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jun 3, 2008 1:13 PM CDT
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That would be a reverse Juan Gonzalez.
I believe he said something similar to “I don’t care that they built a pitchers park, I wanted the fences brought in.”
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Jun 3, 2008 1:32 PM CDT
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Maybe they really wanted to give Jody "Root! Root!" Gerut a shot.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on
Jun 3, 2008 10:46 AM CDT
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Also
I think when they released him they doing so poorly that they thought they might be completely out of it this year. That was before the whole world realized how bad the NL West as a whole really is.
"Let's not get too giggly." ~Lou Piniella
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Jun 3, 2008 11:12 AM CDT
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Tried to read through and hadn't seen it mentioned
but can we safely assume a 130 pitch outing has an effect?
I mean for the first time all year Z looked like he had no idea where it was going. Ole Blue Mike will have you know that pitch counts are things of saber-magicians, but the truth is there’s some significant evidence behind the idea that the arm fatigues after 110-120 pitches.
Zambrano’s arm looked tired last night and his control looked to be a direct result of being left in WAY too long.
I understand the need to have starters go deeper into games because I’ve been on the Carlos Marmol overuse bandwagon for weeks now, but there’s got to be a give and take.
Lou needs to realize we’re building a cushion and to take his shot risking games with the likes of Eyre and Wuertz for the sake of the bigger picture
Lou did the right thing last night going to Wuertz and then Michael unfortunately pitched very poorly, but in a 4 run game I think you have to let him try to work out of it before getting Marmol and Wood involved, or at the very least if you do bring Marmol in let someone else (Lou meet Scott “Stevie” Eyre) start the 9th. If someone else gets in trouble you still have Woody back there to bail them out
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I think the problem (if it is a problem)
right now is that Lou is wanting to rack up wins. When he sees us up 4 in the ninth he’s not looking at that as a cushion and an opportunity to work on pitchers, i.e. Wuertz, Eyre. He sees that as another potential and wants his best guys in there, i.e. Marmol, Wood. Now, whether you agree with that or not is subjective, but I think the bottom line, clearly, is that all our pitchers need work in games, and the big guys need to not work every game.
"And there's a...BASE HIT! Fair ball! Fontenot will score! CUBS WIN!" -Len Kasper, 5.28.08
by neverAcquiesce on
Jun 3, 2008 10:58 AM CDT
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lsa, +1
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on
Jun 3, 2008 11:03 AM CDT
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don't disagree with Lou's mindset
but I think its missing the forest for the trees
its June 3rd for crying out loud
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Jun 3, 2008 11:04 AM CDT
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Agreed.
It’s June 3rd. And how bloody exciting is it that what we’re “arguing” about is which of our outstanding pitchers to use, and to not get too amped about our 8-game winning streak.
"And there's a...BASE HIT! Fair ball! Fontenot will score! CUBS WIN!" -Len Kasper, 5.28.08
by neverAcquiesce on
Jun 3, 2008 11:15 AM CDT
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haha
VERY TRUE
I’ve been enjoying every moment of this season. It’s a different feeling going to the couch each afternoon/evening to take in the game
Truly special
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Jun 3, 2008 11:20 AM CDT
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Too true!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Jun 3, 2008 11:21 AM CDT
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Absolutely
It’s still fun to discuss.
It would really suck to be a Royals fan.
by AlabamaCubFan on
Jun 3, 2008 11:25 AM CDT
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Yeah, I agree with this.
I think Lou is going for the jugular every single game. I also think he really wants to win the first game of a series, so the team has some wiggle room during the next two to three games—especially on the road.
Now, in and of themselves, these are perfectly understandable approaches. I mean, you can’t argue with success, right? Still, it’s hard not to worry about the bullpen fatigue factor that might set in later in the season.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on
Jun 3, 2008 11:23 AM CDT
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I think you're right, but...
... it’s not necessarily good to “go for the jugular” every single game, playing every game like it’s a postseason match.
Burnout is extremely possible in that case.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jun 3, 2008 1:14 PM CDT
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As I already stated above
Lou had Wuertz in the 8th. After his 2 BB he was pulled for Marmol. Perhaps Lou can be criticized for taking out Wuertz to quickly but he didn’t have Marmol in there with a 4 run lead an nobody on.
by Luis on
Jun 3, 2008 11:56 AM CDT
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True
Should have said he didn’t bring Marmol in in that situation. I agree that he shouldn’t have pitched the 9th. One thing though, the HR hit off of him didn’t look to be because of overuse. That fastball had a lot of movement. The guy just hit it out, it happens.
by Luis on
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not sure it was the 130 pitches
zambrano looked the same in his 130 pitch start as he did this last start. i dont think you can tell if the 130 pitches had an effect this time out because he has looked lost in both starts, not just this one.
The Aramis BB/K Watch: 34 walks to 34 strikeouts. Im not sure who the last Cub to have more bb's than k's was, but Im sure it was a very long time ago.
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i disagree
In Zambrano’s 130 pitch outing he threw 79 of his 130 pitches for strikes (60.7%)
Last night he threw 51 of his 95 pitches for strikes (53.7%)
That’s a HUGE difference
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FYI
Len Kasper will chat live today with Baseball Prospectus at 12 PM CDT. You can go there and submit questions in advance if you like.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on
Jun 3, 2008 10:55 AM CDT
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Link is here for the chat with Len..
http://baseballprospectus.com/chat/chat.php?chatId=472
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on
Jun 3, 2008 10:56 AM CDT
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I think this win was really important to Lou...
considering all the chatter about Cubs road performance.
"The 12 second rule is how long it takes Carlos Lee to hear, turn around, run over, find and eat a hot dog dropped by a fan in the Crawford Boxes at Minute Maid park" - ballhawk
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Jun 3, 2008 11:26 AM CDT
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actually
winning the first game of the road series is something we’ve been able to do.
To me, TONIGHT is a much bigger test. If we win tonight, we win the series. that’ll be the first time in, well, quite some time.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on
Jun 3, 2008 11:28 AM CDT
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would be first since early April
and only the 2nd all year
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Jun 3, 2008 12:53 PM CDT
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this is what I'm saying. :D
So, I REALLY want them to win tonight, because, I think, it puts much less pressure on them to win tomorrow.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derek Lee, 5/29/08
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Jun 3, 2008 1:37 PM CDT
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I think Lou
is managing to win every game possible early since we have a tough schedule during the second half. Lots of road games.
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
by eswan9 on
Jun 3, 2008 11:32 AM CDT
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I think Lou manages to win games early, late, in the middle, on the side and around the corner.
Lou manages to win every game. While that’s admirable and all that, sometimes you have to let the guys on the field play the game. We don’t have a 30-man roster.
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Jun 3, 2008 11:36 AM CDT
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Well
With Ward coming back, and Murton a decent bat if needed, Pie getting his swing together, Ascanio looking good, Marshall stretching out, E Pat is an option, Hill a possibility …
The Cubs seem like a very deep team. Perhaps the attitude is, we can put the pedal to the metal and take a little risk.
"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."
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Jun 3, 2008 3:25 PM CDT
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You've covered many of my thoughts
Lou shouldn’t have emptied the pen last night - Lieber could have gone longer, as Cotts could have done the same. Marmol shouldn’t have been put in the position he was in - even though Wood should not be in with a 4-run lead—somebody else rather than Marmol needed to finish up. Marmol did his job in the 8th. Since Lou had started the parade, I think he had to complete the merry-go-round and keep Marmol’s count down.
However, Gonzalez is having a great season. Perhaps it was all him, but the lead-off walk was a bad sign.
Odds/ends….30K? In your dreams, Pads. 30K tickets, may have been distributed, 22 to 25K actually in the park, and 10-15K were Cubs fans. Look, they drew an average of 16K against the Nats last Mon-Wed. Bottom line, 30K—no way. There were acres of empty seats, and even counting the ‘park passes’ (the grass berm, and special standing area locations) I don’t belive the ‘announced’ attendence.
I say this because hundreds - some 800 tix were still on stub-hub this weekend…and many at reduced prices. If you are near SD, and want to get to a game - some good reserved field seats (at last look) were HALF price.
The Padres flagship radio station was giving away a number of tickets to Wednesday’s game on their post-game show last night. You had to go to their website to register to win. You had to use a ‘keyword’ to register.
It was….”Bartman.”
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The password should have been "Last Place"
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Jun 3, 2008 11:49 AM CDT
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Gahd, that password thing is so lame.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on
Jun 3, 2008 11:55 AM CDT
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Classy!
just like the shirt I saw on the Brewers’ telecast on Sunday; “Fuku Cubs”. I’ll bet her mom is proud.
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my thoughts
fukudome looked a lot better at the plate yesterday…hopefully he starts to get hot
edmonds is showing a lot of promise and could be very valueable if he continues this play.
theriot still looks hot at the plate.
My guess is lou wants 13 pitchers so he can bring ascanio back up for a while until ward is back with the team.
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love how theriot
hits so many rockets right back up the middle.
The Aramis BB/K Watch: 34 walks to 34 strikeouts. Im not sure who the last Cub to have more bb's than k's was, but Im sure it was a very long time ago.
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rockets?
i like his oppo hits so far this season, but rockets?
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bottle-rockets
they go TWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPPPPTH….
and then fall out of the sky like a winged mallard…
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derek Lee, 5/29/08
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WORLD SERIES BABY!!!!
TIME TO MAKE MY WORLD SERIES TRAVEL PLANS NOW!!!
THIS IS THE YEAR!!!
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
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Jun 3, 2008 11:50 AM CDT
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Looks like someone hit the Cubbie Kool Aid before lunch time again.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on
Jun 3, 2008 11:56 AM CDT
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Hey, what's wrong with that!?!?!
/slides morning can of Old Style under the desk….
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
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what's wrong with it
is that it’s OLD STYLE! Egad.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derek Lee, 5/29/08
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Old Style is delicious!
But I hope everyone keeps hating on it, so I can keep getting a six of talls for $3.99!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Jun 3, 2008 1:42 PM CDT
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Haven't had Old Style in several years
several very, very good years. LOL
It is fully kroyzened (sp?) though.
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Jun 3, 2008 2:06 PM CDT
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bleah.
you may have my lifetime supply, my friend.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derek Lee, 5/29/08
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I dig the "Jake" commercials though
For those of us outside Chicago, it gives us a little taste of the city.
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Love it
we proudly have a kegerator full of Old Style.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
Jun 3, 2008 2:11 PM CDT
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Cheers!

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
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WE ARE INVINCIBLE!!!
Move over White Sox fans-the Cubbies will bring the trophy back to Chicago this October!!!!
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
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