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A little historical perspective

So, the Cubs suddenly suck right now, right? Four-game losing streak, lost eight of 12. Season's over, right?

Not necessarily, from a historical perspective.

For peace of mind, I went back and looked at some of the records from the WS champs, 2000-07.

For example, the 2007 Boston Red Sox had three four-game losing streaks among streaks where they lost six of seven, six of eight, eight of 11 and five of six.

2006 Cardinals -- remember, they did end up winning -- lost five of seven twice, 23 of 37 at one point, 13 of 17 and 10 of their last 14. Included in those disasters were losing streaks of four, eight (twice) and seven.

2005 White Sox? Lost five of eight, five of seven, eight of nine, 12 of their first 19 games in August and four of their last five that month and 10 of 14. Included: A seven-game losing streak and two four-gamers.

2004 Red Sox. Four of five, six of eight, 12 of 18, seven of 11, five of seven. Included were two four-game losing streaks and a five-game skid.

2003 Marlins. (I know, I don't like remembering them any more than you do.) Six of the first eight, 17 of 24 (including TWO six-game losing streaks), six of 10 and eight of nine, including a five-game skid.

2002 Angels. Five of eight (six-game LS) and six of seven (four-game LS) -- both in April! Five of eight at another point. Two more four-game LS in addition to those mentioned above.

2001 Diamondbacks. (Sorry, BB) Eight of first 12 (four-game LS), 10 of 15 (five-game LS), six of seven (four-game LS) and another four-game LS.

2000 Yankees. Ugh. Five of eight, eight of 10 (five-game LS), 11 of 15 (four-game LS) and 15 of their last 18 (losing streaks of six and seven games).

Even the 2001 Mariners, who ended with the best regular-season record since the 1906 Cubs, had a four-game losing streak and lost five of eight at one point and seven of 11 at another.

What's the point?

Even the teams who end up winning lose a lot from time to time. Just thought I'd share.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation or Al Yellon, managing editor (unless it's a FanPost posted by Al). FanPost opinions are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.

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Great post, we need time to release

this past weeks’ losses and regroup mentally and positively. We all know it’s a marathon and not a sprint, but winning fairly often this season has spoiled us because of all the past failures and coming up short when we felt we should have won.

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on Jun 30, 2008 12:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for doing this!

I actually found myself wondering about losing streaks of winning teams recently. (Can’t imagine why.) We all got pretty spoiled with this Cubs team’s ability to avoid losing streaks earlier this season. (They never lost more than two games in a row until running into the devillish Rays).

Well, now an inevitable reality has come home to roost. Let’s hope the Cubs soon cast it from the nest like a…aw hell, I’ve lost control of this metaphor. Please win tonight!

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 30, 2008 12:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Winning (and losing) can be contagious

When you’ve done one for a while, you can sorta forget how to do the other. Remember the winning streak we had just a short time ago? You had people thinking this team was pretty much unbeatable. I’m thinking one great play, one key hit, one great AB might just send a ripple of positivity back through this team and you could see another hot streak. You just never know, so let’s sit back and let Sweet Lou and his boys figure it all out for us.

P.S. Thanks for the post!

"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse

by Goodie1969 on Jun 30, 2008 12:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No one said it would be easy....

Good teams find ways to fight through the hard times and then they are usually stronger for it…...As long as we avoid the major injury to 1 of 4-5 key players, then this team shouldn’t have many prolonged losing streaks.

by smitster2008 on Jun 30, 2008 12:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I like posts like this.

The last weekend doesn’t feel very good, does it? You could even compare the 1989 or 2003 Cubs, both of whom had tough stretches late in the year, and both of whom made the playoffs.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 30, 2008 12:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

a little fodder for the ledge jumpers...

Yes, but here is a little more historical perspective. In 1977, the Cubs were flying high. it’s interesting because people are comparing this year to 1977 because in 77 both the Cubs and Sox were doing very well for a while. On June 28th, they were 25 games over .500. Lou Boudreau was making statements like “When you get to 25 games over .500, you will not see .500 again”. Well…that year the Cubs did see .500 again. they ended the season 81-81 (they did this by losing their last 5 games). Now I am not saying that the 2008 team is the same as the 1977 team, but things can swing both ways. It’s up to the mamangment to make sure that the team goes the way of the teams you listed in your post and not the way of the 1977 Cubs

Kasey

See the Cubs 2008 schedule (with TV schedule & game-by-game results) at http://ignarski.tripod.com/sched2008.html

by kaseyi on Jun 30, 2008 1:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The '77 team was playing way over its head.

It really wasn’t that good. The biggest mystery was Bobby Murcer, who through his first 114 games (118 team games) was hitting .277/.373/.490 (good numbers in a lower-offense era) with 23 HR and 81 RBI, seemingly on pace for a 100-RBI season.

For his last 40 games he hit .232/.302/.352 with 8 (eight) RBI. It’s as if someone just took all his power away. He hit only 9 HR the entire next season.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 30, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, the 1977 team wasn't positioned economically

to make moves that would’ve helped them ride some rough stretches-(unless you consider adding Dave Giusti and Bobby Darwin as good deadline moves)-we’ve already heard that money isn’t going to stand in the way of adding pieces so let’s just hope Hendry can pull off some deadline magic again.

by bluekoolaide on Jun 30, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

1977 Collapse

The standings on August 2, 1977 showed the Cubs up by 2.5 games over the Phillies and Pirates and 5 games over St. Louis. The Cubs finished the season 20 games behind the Phillies in fourth place. The Cubs went 19-39 the rest of the way, and Philadelphia went 42-17 to finish the regular season. The Pirates went 36-21 the rest of the way finishing 15 games ahead of the Cubs. The Cardinals only posted a 25-31 record after August 2 and still finished 2 games ahead of Chicago.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Jun 30, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You just brought back some very bad memories

I remember actually avoiding looking at the standings from Aug. 1st on because I was so depressed-my first experience with seeing a Cubs collapse.

by bluekoolaide on Jun 30, 2008 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Worse...

... the ‘77 Cubs were 47-22 right about this time of year, on June 28, 1977.

They went 34-59 the rest of the way, finishing exactly at .500 and having to lose their last five games to do it.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 30, 2008 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

49-32 First Half Record in 2008

The Cubs are 0-1 in the second half of the season, which started Sunday.

Since the 162-game schedule started, these are the best Cubs half seasons.

1969: 53-28 First Half
1977: 51-30 First Half
1984: 50-30 Second Half (1 game rained out)
1989: 50-31 Second Half
2008: 49-32 First Half

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Jun 30, 2008 1:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Spoiled...

Whether we want to admit it or not, subconsciously we all envisioned some hardships throughout the season. With big Z coming back and Sori ahead/right on schedule, you’d like to think this hiccup won’t be extended. Let’s hope we can get our act together against the lowly Giants.

by 1060addision on Jun 30, 2008 1:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks I feel a bit better

Especially since this is the Cubs only four game losing streak.

"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti

by wrigleyrocker12 on Jun 30, 2008 4:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the info..

I knew that even when we were winning it seemed everyday we would hit a point where not all the breaks and not all the calls were going our way. Sure it sucks right now but we are still a very good team, and your research proves even the teams that have ended up on top over the last 7 years have had there low spots. Lets get a W tonight and right the ship a little! Go Cubbies!!

"Go Cubs Go"

by mkcubs21 on Jun 30, 2008 4:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Plus, this has all been during a time

when the Cubs haven’t had Soriano, Zambrano, Johnson, and even a stretch without Theriot.

The Cubs have the lowly Giants coming up (though they do have a few VERY good young pitchers) plus a nice All-Star break, they’ll be fine.

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Jun 30, 2008 5:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice post

I felt like the sky was falling, but this post kept it in perceptive. Thanks

-Charlemagne

by Charlemagne on Jun 30, 2008 9:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Excellent

It’s baseball. There is absolutely no way to avoid bad stretches. It’s just a matter of how bad they are, and how many of them you have. This is a bad stretch, and I’m okay if it even gets a little worse before it gets better. As long as it gets better, and as long as the Cards hit a bad stretch, too. And the Brewers. They are certainly due.

by bms on Jul 1, 2008 8:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just a great f'in post....

you saved about 500 ledge jumpers

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jul 2, 2008 6:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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