Part 2 -- The New WGN America
The last discussion moved away so quickly, I didn't get a chance to add this to the mix. I stated Tribco Media is now being run by Randy Michaels, and that his ideas/vision are all over the new Superstation logo/imagery.
I'm surprised that so many of you have turned thumbs down on the new look -- but here are some of the reason why it's being put in place and a glimpse of the person behind it. Love or hate this guy -- and he draws strong opinions from both sides of the coin -- here's a look at Randy Michaels, from....Crain's Chicago Business:
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/mag/article.pl?articleId=29913&seenIt=1
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And I might add
full disclosure - I am currently employed by Clear Channel/SD- those who were with the company when it was still Jacor Communuications, run by Michaels—tell me that company was fun to be a part of. He wasn’t the ‘corporate’ type.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on
Jun 4, 2008 12:47 PM CDT
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Yeah I remember those days in SD
with Xtra sports 690, with Rome, Hacksaw, Coach Kintera, Etc. when Jacor ran the show. Sad what happened to them, but at least XTRA is Back! Hacksaw is great!
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
by eswan9 on
Jun 4, 2008 1:27 PM CDT
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Btw SDSJM
you don’t work for xtra sports now do you?
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
by eswan9 on
Jun 4, 2008 1:28 PM CDT
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No, I'm in another
division…down the hall from 1360.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on
Jun 4, 2008 4:38 PM CDT
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Ok say Hi to Hacksaw for me!
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
by eswan9 on
Jun 4, 2008 5:16 PM CDT
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Will do.
Lee is one of the best people you’d ever want to know. The on-air persona—his act. It pisses me off when no-talent twits like Jim Rome use him as cannon fodder. Hacksaw has forgotten more information than Rome ever knew to begin with
Rome’s ego could fill Soldier Field. I’ll pass.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on
Jun 5, 2008 1:47 AM CDT
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What's the Plan?
Is WGN going to show sitcoms from the 1970’s and early 1980’s on a regular basis? Will WGN have more original programming? How is WGN exactly going to become “TV You Can’t Ignore”?
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on
Jun 4, 2008 12:56 PM CDT
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162 Cubs games would do it for me.
"And there's a...BASE HIT! Fair ball! Fontenot will score! CUBS WIN!" -Len Kasper, 5.28.08
by neverAcquiesce on
Jun 4, 2008 2:16 PM CDT
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But what about the rest of hte year?
Chicago sports all year? I’m game.
by Arbusto on
Jun 4, 2008 2:26 PM CDT
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Yeah.
I’d kill for the national feed to carry Hawks and Bulls games. Throw the Wolves in there, too.
"And there's a...BASE HIT! Fair ball! Fontenot will score! CUBS WIN!" -Len Kasper, 5.28.08
by neverAcquiesce on
Jun 4, 2008 2:45 PM CDT
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Improved non-network programming.
Less “Madlock” and “Corner Gas.” Buy off-network shows that might land on TNT or TBS or A & E.
“24,” “Scrubs,” “Homicide” and “Di Vinci’s Inquest” were the only shows of interest. And, those latter 2 shows ran in the damn morning hours. Wrong time - the male demo IS AT WORK. Wasted money on two show in the wrong time slot. Now “DVinci” runs at., like 4am. Idiotic scheduling.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on
Jun 4, 2008 4:42 PM CDT
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WTH is...
Di Vinci’s Inquest…. I thought I watched a lot of TV, and I’ve never heard of it.
by MillsChC on
Jun 4, 2008 11:48 PM CDT
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Di Vinci's Inquest
Is an award-winning Canadian procedural crime drama - which preceded CSI. It ran on the CBC…..for 7 years. The final season saw the lead character - Dominic Di Vinci, the Vancouver coroner - rise to become the mayor of Vancouver - from this point on, the series became more of a political drama, than a crime drama—it had the feel of “West Wing.” (It also was re-titled in Canada, as “Di Vinci’s City Hall”)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da_Vinci%27s_Inquest
This was a hidden gem—running at 9aPST /1p EST for about 2 years, 5 days a week on the Superstation. It’s now running weekly, 12 Mid PST/3am EST Sunday Morning on WGN America.
Think CSI/NYPD Blue/Crossing Jordan, with a unique look at Canadian law. It is based on the (former) real-life mayor of Vancouver, who was the coronor—and became mayor, with a very colorful tenure.
I now see that the first 3 years of thes series are/or will be available on DVD.
I found this show by accident, and spread the word—I hooked my friends on it.
It features a very good multi-cultural cast (reflecting Vancouver’s diversity) and is extremely well written.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on
Jun 5, 2008 12:58 AM CDT
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Right now, they are 'stunting'
with Retro 70’s week. They’ve run together a bunch of classic sitcoms syndicated by Sony TV.
This works out great for them since there are no Cubs games in prime time - all on the west coast.
So, this stunt works nicely. FYI, the WKRP episodes have barely been on TV over the past decade - music licensing problems. I’m eager to see what has happened. Earlier, I read that Sony was thinking of taking out the original music, adding “sound-alike” artists in it’s place. That’s why the original DVD is off the shelves—I did see it on EBay a few years ago.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on
Jun 4, 2008 4:54 PM CDT
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He may kiss babies, save the whales and cure cancer ..
.. the Goth thing still is unnecessarily edgy and doesn’t do a thing for their marketing ..
To be consistent, they oughta get some 20 something lady black announcer with some sass in her tone and diction to do all the announcements. The new announcers sound like they walked off a Paul Harvey radio booth set back in the 1960’s ..
Mind you, I LIKE the old school announcing .. it’s just jarring
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on
Jun 4, 2008 1:04 PM CDT
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haha..Paul Harvey
I was on a cross country drive not that long ago and heard him on the radio. Shocked the hell out of me. I thought he died in the 60’s.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on
Jun 4, 2008 1:24 PM CDT
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Harvey is STILL on
WGN every day.
"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young
by Kegler on
Jun 4, 2008 1:52 PM CDT
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and now you know the rest of the story.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on
Jun 4, 2008 2:47 PM CDT
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Interesting article
Seems to me Zell has hired a mini me type guy.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by tucsoncubsfan on
Jun 4, 2008 3:09 PM CDT
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the logo looks like someone found it at Goodwill
I’m all for shaking things up and trying to build the market – it’s business. Good for them. Unfortunately, they selected a weak graphic designer to create a logo that doesn’t stand up to the modern icons of the big networks, and if retro was the goal – they failed there, too. They went halfway down the hall.
If you’re going to change, change like you mean it. I understand this is only the start of the overhaul, but it’s a weak first step. It won’t change my opinions about the station one bit, other than to make me thing “eew” when I see the logo.
I won’t lose any sleep over this, but it’s a shame. If the end result is WGN Whatever being broadcast nationally in HD sooner rather than later, than that’s what I care about. Cubs games in HD. Like 162 of ‘em, THAT’s TV I can’t ignore.
If they can change the programming and upgrade from the cheesier advertising they currently survive on, then maybe I’ll watch something other than Cubs games on the station. I grew up watching WGN, but it’s one of 500 channels now and it just doesn’t hold up. Good luck to them on the overhaul.
Win.
by RavenswoodRob on
Jun 4, 2008 3:29 PM CDT
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bingo
WGNHD + 162 Cubs games = lots of viewers = the WGN of the 80s
hopefully we don’t get the Cubs of the 80s with that
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by joeschmitt on
Jun 4, 2008 5:05 PM CDT
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Sorry, there's plenty of
cash in that their Comcast, so those days of every game on WGN are long gone….
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on
Jun 4, 2008 6:25 PM CDT
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Yes, that's another issue
They have to sell those “I’ve fallen and I can’t get up” and lawyer spots at cut-rate prices. Gain some nationat ratings, and they will be better off—and quality programming will help.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on
Jun 4, 2008 4:43 PM CDT
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Welcome Back...
Barney Miller! This very funny show hasn’t been on TV for a very long time, so I’m hoping the retro thing is more than a stunt.
by JoToPo on
Jun 4, 2008 6:17 PM CDT
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Perhaps this was explained in the first thread, but I don't remember seeing it...
I understand there is a local WGN that I see here in Chicago, and then there is a separate WGN that the non-Chicago market sees, i.e. the superstation. So there’s going to be stuff I see like local news, that you won’t and probably vice-versa. But why does that separate programming extend to the prime time hours as well?
Based on this thread, sounds like WGN America is showing 70s and 80s shows all week – Barney Miller, WKRP, etc. So why am I seeing One Rich Hill, Gossip Geo and The Hopper, i.e. all this WB crap? Is the local WGN a WB affiliate but WGN-America isn’t? I guess that would explain it, but that seems like pretty asinine programming logic if you ask me.
I know there are going to be some programming differences due to special needs of the local market, but why wouldn’t you want the the two WGNs to have as much similar programming as possible?
I want my…
I want my…
I want my WKRP
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by ballhawk on
Jun 4, 2008 8:09 PM CDT
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WGN, Channel 9/WGN America -- are seperate entities....
WGN, Channel 9, Chicago - is an over the air station, FCC licensed, like any other TV station. It is an affiliate of the CW. It programs for its’ local market, or - as TV calls it - “Area Of Dominant Influence.” WGN/9 is carried on cable systems in the Chicago market, and close to the Chicago market. I don’t quite know where the boundary is - but I’d bet it would be the Wisconsin border to the North, parts of Northern Indiana and extreme Southwestern Michigan—down to somewhere past Springfield.
Elsewhere in the country - like me in CA, or some guy in Florida, or a satellite subscriber in Shanghi - it’s the OTHER WGN - the superstation, or - WGN America.
WGN America is not a TV station. It is a cable network, like TNT, or ESPN, or A & E, or Bravo…pick any network.
WGN-TV Channel 9 cannot run CW programming across the country, as local CW affiliates have first rights in their market, (Ironically, here the CW affiliate is Tribco-owned—KSWB.)
Remember The WB? Well, that old network caused the major split between WGN, channel 9, and WGN, the Superstation. Until that network came to pass, almost (but not all) of the WGN Channel 9 and WGN Superstation programming was identical.
(The WB is no more. It’s now CW. Tribco was a major shareholder in the old WB. They lost their shirt, as did Time Warner, on that network.)
So - only the “Noon News,” 9 O’Clock News” Cubs/Sox baseball and selected Bulls games are all simulcast on WGN, Channel 9 and WGN America. The rest of the time, WGN America patrons are endlessly subjected to “America’s Funniest Home Videos,”
“Madlock” (ohmigod spare me) “Home Improvement” and other offerings, like movies.
More than half of the non-sports programming on WGN America is second-rate, off network reruns. (“24,” which aired this year was a major exception, as are the other handful of shows I mentioned earlier. Outside of that - Superstation WGN wasn’t worth watching.)
So, with new management, comes new programming - and this week’s “stunting’ of classic sit-coms is an attention-getter to try to introduce the new branding. Casey Kasem is ‘presenting’ the episodes, there’s 70’s theme music, there’s pop-up trivia about the shows - it’s a great way to re-pavckage old material and make it fresh. (Like TV Land does.) And, it appears the source material has been digitally re-mastered - the presentation is great. In the past, these videos were manhandled by stations and were worn, colors were faded - the stuff looked crappy.
Back at the beginning of the baseball season, an ad ran in USA Today about a series of baseball movies on the Superstation. I’ve never seen an ad for the Superstation ANYWHERE, ever. The ad—didn’t even mention WGN. It called itself “The Superstation” and ran the old logo. That was the first hint (to me, anyway) that something was going to change for the out-of-Chicago viewers.
Even though most of the out-of-market posters don’t seem to like the new look, it’s fresh - and something had to be done to shake up the dusty, tired WGN Superstation.
WGN America, as I mentioned earlier - will, as time goes by (my guess) start competing for the best off-network programming - and should try to contract to create some of its’ OWN shows. TBS has branded itself as ‘comedy.’ It has created its’ own, original programming, along with reruns. TNT has branded itself as “drama.” “Bravo” - well, I won’t go there. But you KNOW they are aiming at a specific, special demographic, right?
“TV You Can’t Ignore” is the rest of the new WGN America logo. I’m fascinated to wait and see what that branding will lead to. I hope this works, and in turn - still make sure America knows - this is coming from CHICAGO, damn it!
I hope this helps. Now, to drown my sorrows after tonight’s loss to the freakin’ Padres, I’m gonna roll back some episodes of “Taxi…...looking forward to WKRP, which I haven’t seen in—at least 20 years.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on
Jun 5, 2008 1:42 AM CDT
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Definitely helps - thanks for the explanation
I had to laugh at your lamentations on the ‘quality’ of the shows on the superstation. I don’t know about America’s Funniest Home Videos or Matlock, but give me Home Improvement over this CW crap any day of the week.
Do you know how tied in is WGN Ch 9 with the CW? Could they drop it if they wanted to? I find it really hard to believe that being a CW affiliate is desirable. I’d like to believe that somewhere a CW exec has some pictures of Tom Skilling or something and is using that as leverage to keep WGN Ch 9 in the WB family. However, the sad truth is most likely that I am (sigh…) simply out of touch with America and what America wants to watch.
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by ballhawk on
Jun 5, 2008 7:58 AM CDT
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some of those CW shows are huge with the younger demographic.
virtually all the girls I know here at Northwestern are in love with “Gossip Girl”.
/withholds comment
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by northsider on
Jun 6, 2008 11:54 PM CDT
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Great post.
Clarifying and whatnot.
"And there's a...BASE HIT! Fair ball! Fontenot will score! CUBS WIN!" -Len Kasper, 5.28.08
by neverAcquiesce on
Jun 5, 2008 10:12 AM CDT
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They could drop the CW
But…it’s a source of original programming. It does have appeal to the 18-35 viewer, though. Overall, the shows rank near or at the bottom of the ratings, but a closer inspection finds decent enough ratings in that younger age cell.
The only time I watched CW was for Veronica Mars, a show that belonged on another network, one that could actually make sure it found an audience. The scripts flew over the heads of the target demo. “Teenagers” spouting dialogue as if they were about 35. Great stuff. Very creative.
But, I’m “older” and not the target viewer of the CW. Can’t stomach what they have.
If I recall, Harry used to joke that he got ‘bumped’ for Buffy, The Vampire Slayer, on the old WB. He would LOL and then say…”But I’m prettier than her!!”
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on
Jun 5, 2008 12:34 PM CDT
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