Open Thread: Cubs vs. Dodgers, Sunday 6/8, 7:05 CT
by Al on Jun 8, 2008 3:01 PM CDT
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Chicago Cubs at Los Angeles Dodgers, Jun 8, 2008 7:05 PM CDT
At last, Phil Rosenthal writes in today's Tribune, the books are being released to potential Cubs buyers:
The long-awaited, much-anticipated Cubs books, the ones with the team's confidential financial data that are a prelude to a sale, should land on the desks of potential buyers of the National League ballclub on or around Monday, sources said.
Those interested in the team who have Major League Baseball's blessing will get the deluxe volume with the confidential info on the baseball operations, the franchise's 25 percent share of the Comcast SportsNet Chicago cable channel and aging Wrigley Field.
Real estate types only interested in Wrigley will just get an abridged version with the ballpark numbers, not to be confused with a ballpark estimate.
What I can't figure out is why the headline on that column is "Cuban lays out strategy for Cubs bid". Mark Cuban is NOT the only buyer; there may be as many as nine individuals or groups bidding. So why doesn't Don Levin get a mention? Or John Canning? Or the Ricketts group?
We already know the answer. Because he's the one on sports talk radio talking up his bid, making it about him, while the others work quietly behind the scenes, doing their due diligence (this is not to imply that Cuban won't do that; I know he will) while keeping a low profile.
Tribune Co.: Pick Don Levin. Please. You won't be sorry. (And his AHL team is one win away from another championship.)
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Finally, a Dodger-Cub pitching matchup that isn't a rematch of last week. Brad Penny has struggled this year -- his last start was his best since April. And that was only against the punchless Rockies, and the Dodgers lost anyway, 3-0. Aramis Ramirez (.391/.417/.435, 9-for-23) and Derrek Lee (.455/.500/.727, 3 doubles) hit him well, but the only current Cub to have homered off Penny is... Jim Edmonds.
Fortunately for Jason Marquis, the two Dodgers who hit him best -- Rafael Furcal and Andruw Jones -- are both on the DL. Jeff Kent is 8-for-19 lifetime vs. Marquis. In general, he has pitched well vs. LA -- 2-1, 2.35 in seven career starts; the last one was last September 6 in a game where he allowed only four hits and two runs in seven good innings, only to see Ryan Dempster blow the game in the 9th.
But that was then and this is now, right?
Today's game is on ESPN. At least everyone can watch it; if Miller & Morgan get too nauseating, just turn the sound down. For Sunday's other games check the MLB.com Mediacenter.
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Discuss amongst yourselves.
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First !!!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 8, 2008 3:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Need we ask?
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 8, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same thing I do every game.
Close my eyes and think of England.
by cwyers on Jun 8, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer to smile and nod,
while, on the inside, cursing the perfidy of the English.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 8, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's
“lie back and think of England”.....but close enough!
(and highly amusing)
"Let's not get too giggly." ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jun 8, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That quote from Lady Hillingdon was hilarous.
I knew about the phrase, but never knew the exact origin. Land Hillingdon had to think about England only twice a week, but poor cwyers has to think about england (instead of Theriot) every lineup card!
In April 2007 Lou explained: “The kid can swing the bat, and he has some energy. I like the way he plays the game. The problem is, where do you put him?”
by zevkalman on Jun 8, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, though.
“We” don’t do anything – Lou fills out the lineup cards, and he’s the guy that does things. He couldn’t help but notice Theriot’s drops yesterday, but those are far from Theriot’s biggest problems defensively.
Lou’s had many opportunities to notice Theriot’s lack of range and arm for the position, and it doesn’t seem to bother him. I’d expect to see Theriot out there – and if not, it’s because Cedeno has hit Brad Penny well in the past. (And he has – .333/.500/.333. Which is something Lou cares about, even if I don’t.)
by cwyers on Jun 8, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ronny's 1-3 vs. Penny, while Theriot is 2-7,
so I’m not a bit surprised if Theriot’s back at SS tonight. However, Derosa is 6-24 vs. Penny, so we might see Ronny at 2B with Mark getting a rest.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 8, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except Mark had a rest yesterday
So he won’t be benched two days in a row with an off day tomorrow.
"Let's not get too giggly." ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jun 8, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
I fully expect Ronny to sit.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 8, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He might play 3B though
with Cedeno or Fontenot at 2B.
Or 1B for DLee….
With DeRo, you just never know…
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jun 8, 2008 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt Rammy or Lee sits with the day off tomorrow.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 8, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any truth to the rumor that your IQ has to be below 20 to work for ESPN?
"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.
by CubsBall2202 on Jun 8, 2008 3:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's false.
20 is far too high.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 8, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not all of them at ESPN are schmucks
Gary Thorne for one calls a good game. I know his sport is more of hockey than anything but he’s pretty good.
Jon Miller is OK, he does sound fake on some of the impact plays. It’s simply the utter hatred so many have for his “sidekick” that does in that broadcast.
I’m going all radio tonight. It just takes a few pitches to sync the sound (add delay) to the video.
by blackhawk24 on Jun 8, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya the only reason I don't listen to the radio during the game
is because its about a 3-4 second delay between the radio and tv
"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.
by CubsBall2202 on Jun 8, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ain't first but am actually writing something
My Wolves looked clueless in their own end last night; baseball equivalent: A completely off-balance swing at the plate, or not knowing what the hell to do with the ball once you get it. Though that’s not what necessarily happened to the Cubs yesterday. Guess I have to wait to change that countdown note (currently at 15 down, 1 to go) on my office dry erase board.
The article is about Cuban, since he was on the radio. While he is more visible and outspoken at times, I’d rather have him than good ‘ol boy Canning and Reinsdorf confidant. The fact that Reinsdorf is even mentioned is aggravating. Isn’t he competing with the Cubs for business? Then why does he have a say in how the Cubs sale? Conflict of interest? I know the other 29 MLB owners are to have a say, but this seems rotten. I’m not actually campaigning for Cuban but want him to have a fair shake. The others can campaign too, they just are not doing so at this time.
I’d like to see Levin just because I know how he runs the Wolves.
The Cubs tonight just have to go out and play. Unfortunately, 4 things all happened in the same game yesterday (Theriot dropping that 2-6 SB throw, Aram throwing it away, Fukudome not shoe-stringing it with the glove and Z missing his spot on ONE pitch). Shit happens, now guys go out and have a winning road trip. We’d all like to have seen 5-2 or even 6-1, but it’s 4-3 at best. Just go out and do it.
by blackhawk24 on Jun 8, 2008 3:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not suggesting Reinsdorf specifically should have a say...
.. but as you well know, the MLB owners DO have a collective say as to whether ANY prospective owner is approved. Reinsdorf was mentioned because he obviously knows Cuban due to them both being NBA owners. Sure, the others CAN campaign, but in reality, that’s not a great way to do business, is it?
It seems Cuban is the guy the MSM is campaigning for, and I can guess why. He’d give great quotes in an era when newspapers are in trouble. That’s a really bad reason to want a certain team owner.
I’m in favor of Don Levin for the same reason you are—he runs a fan-friendly operation that does its utmost to be a winner.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 8, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with your assessment of the ownership situation. There is something
un-American about owning something an not having control of who you sell it to. Cuban seems like a perfectly good owner to me. If he has the financing in place and the Cubs want to sell to him, I don’t think the other owners have a right to block the sale for personal purposes. This is not like joining a country club. The buyer has rights too and they should be realized.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 8, 2008 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So only Cuban has rights?
What about the other bidders?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 8, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Further....
... it is EXACTLY like joining a country club.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 8, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the point trying to be made is
if Zell finds Cuban’s offer to be the best, then the other owners should approve the deal unless they have legit reasons to block it., which I don’t think they have. Cuban for all his faults, has turned the Mavs into one of the premier franchises in the NBA.
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by DC Cubbie on Jun 8, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point is...
... that with Cuban being so public, that has raised the assumption that he is the only bidder, or the best bidder, already. That may or may not be true.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 8, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
PENNY
Light em up
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Jun 8, 2008 3:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Crap.
Cardinals just won.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 8, 2008 3:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As good as we've been lately...
...St. Louis has hung in there, too. Not something I like.
Dan
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by dtpollitt on Jun 8, 2008 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weird.
Have a look at this screencap:
Yahoo thinks Houston tied the game in the bottom of the 8th. If only their boxscore could become reality!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 8, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea i saw that too and got really excited, only to check back later
and see that the score had returned to 5-4. i was mildly confused by that
by philadelphiacub on Jun 8, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yahoo has really had some hiccups this season.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 8, 2008 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True,
but they’ve also had two significant injuries to their pitching staff in the past two days: Wellemeyer has elbow inflammation and Wainwright has a finger problem. Also, Ludwick and Ankiel have cooled considerably. It’s just a matter of time until Schumaker does the same.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 8, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
But Carpenter will be up again in a month or so, right?
by salparadise23 on Jun 8, 2008 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who knows.
He threw to hitters a week ago for the first time in a year. That’s encouraging for him, but it doesn’t mean he’s ready to face MLB hitters yet.
by cwyers on Jun 8, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Laruss sais yesterday that there was "no timetable"
for either he or Mulder.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 8, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*Larussa said
gah.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 8, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"No timetable".
Where have we heard THAT before?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 8, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeesh.
Too true. Perhaps Duncan should have Mulder and Carpenter tossing towels, too.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 8, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLB traderumors reporting today
that Mulder could be done. It looks like he needs another surgery. Also, take Bonderman off the deadline list. He had surgery.
by Rick B on Jun 8, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Ludwig and Rick Ankiel have morphed into very good ballplayers
Get Rich Harden !! 7 starts, 3-0, 41 IP, 49 Ks, 2.61 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 8, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummmm...
Ryan Ludwick:
Last 7 days: .241/.258/.448
Last 14 days: .208/.250/.354
Last 28 days: .264/.347/.563
Rick Ankiel:
Last 7 days: .000/.167/.000
Last 14 days: .080/.115/.200
Last 28 days: .200/.237/.400
You were saying?
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 8, 2008 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, sure
STAT-wise. But are they SPARKPLUGS? Are they SCRAPPY? Are they CAJUN NINJAS?
And did they play COLLEGE
Cause, you know, that’s WAY more important.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Don’t forget that they probably both used to be switch-hitters and that explains every time they have slumps. Failure at switch-hitting is one of the surest signs that you’re actually great despite your stats. If only Juan Uribe knew this secret.
by DGU on Jun 8, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so, the Cubs don't
have a monopoly on SCRAPPY?!
by The E-Man on Jun 8, 2008 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you kidding?
The entire 1986 Mets were one big Scrap.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ankiel and Ludwick
are both very streaky players. And while they may be struggling, Troy Glaus has awoken.
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by stltrav09 on Jun 8, 2008 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The difference between Cuban and the other bidders so far...
...is that Cuban is actively soliciting media coverage, while the other bidders are keeping a lower profile. That’s why the media is mentioning him more; they tend to fish where there are the most fish.
by cwyers on Jun 8, 2008 3:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
True enough.
My point is, that shouldn’t define who is the BEST potential owner.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 8, 2008 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Zell has any say the club will go the one with the most green
by cubbierc on Jun 8, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on financing, too.
It’s not like someone just comes in with a wheelbarrow full of cash.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 8, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also depends on selling Wrigley
since he could not unload to ISA
by cubbierc on Jun 8, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, not yet, anyway.
That deal’s not 100% dead, but I suspect whoever buys the team will want the ballpark, too.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 8, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They would be foolish not to want Wrigley.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 8, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of dollars will have to go into Wrigley
just to keep it from falling down.Possibly one lost season at the friendly confines
by cubbierc on Jun 8, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not according to Crane Kenney.
He said in the interview I did with him that they could fix things in an offseason.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 8, 2008 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember that.
At this point, really, isn’t it just the grandstand and the men’s rooms? :P
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Canning or the Ricketts' family
I would like to see Donald Levin win the bidding too. But I continue to believe the choice will be between John Canning or the Ricketts’ family. I hope and pray it isn’t Canning. I know too little about the Ricketts.
Get Rich Harden !! 7 starts, 3-0, 41 IP, 49 Ks, 2.61 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 8, 2008 4:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
there are unknowns about many of the potential buyers
that is why I wouldn’t mind Cuban, you know what you are getting. Yeah he will act like an idiot once in a while, but he will invest money in the club and its players
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by DC Cubbie on Jun 8, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what you're getting with Don Levin, too.
A local team owner whose team wins championships and who is a lifelong Cubs fan.
And who WON’T act like an idiot.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 8, 2008 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mark Cuban has no shot
Sorry, but the major league owners DO have a big say in who they permit into their cozy little fraternity. There is no way Jerry Reinsdorf lets Cuban into the party. He despises Cuban and happens to be one of the most powerful and influential owners in the game.
The Cuban fans can talk in theory all they want by saying, “yeah but what if Cuban has the highest bid.” Fact is we the public will never no who submitted the highest bid for sure. Surely Sam Zell understands that he has to go with a buyer that not only offers up a very substantial bid but also will gain approval vote by the owners.
Get Rich Harden !! 7 starts, 3-0, 41 IP, 49 Ks, 2.61 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 8, 2008 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zell doesn't
strike me as the type of guy to keep his mouth shut. This is all about greed with him. So I think he will want the highest bid. And he will not be happy if the owners block that bidder. That said, I want Levin too. I think he would be the best owner, from a fans viewpoint.
by Rick B on Jun 8, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Proposal....flip Kosuke and Derrek Lee in the lineup
Lee needs a couple days off. When he returns the move should be to flip Kosuke and him in the lineup. At least for awhile.
Get Rich Harden !! 7 starts, 3-0, 41 IP, 49 Ks, 2.61 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 8, 2008 4:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you really want the guy with the least amount of power in the everyday lineup
outside of Scrappy to be batting 3rd, yikes.
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by DC Cubbie on Jun 8, 2008 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's also Reed Johnson.
He’s pretty punchless.
by cwyers on Jun 8, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey!
Do you guys hear? Joba Chamberlain only gave up 2 ER in 4.1.
I hope there will be some coverage of this on ESPN!
by salparadise23 on Jun 8, 2008 4:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Joba Chamberlain?
Never heard of him. Does he throw people in The Saarlac Pit?
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 8, 2008 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
That was headlined at Yahoo “Chamberlain improves in second start for Yankees”.
If a Cub starter “improved” like that, there would be screams to DFA him.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 8, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I promise, no matter what happens tonight,
I will not renew my DFA Marquis campaign.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 8, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll hold you to that.
I bet he pitches better than Chamberlain.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 8, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He may need to
with the way the Cub bats have gone silent.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 8, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I wish they would, but I recognize they won’t.
I won’t promise to not call to put him in the pen indefinitley.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, looking at his pitching line...
...I think he probably pitched better than his results. 5 Ks, 1 BB, 1 HR… that’s not too shabby, IMHO.
by cwyers on Jun 8, 2008 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not bad.
I’m still not sure it wasn’t a mistake to move him into the rotation, though. He’s never thrown over 100 innings in a professional season.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 8, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only that...
... but he was a dominant setup man. Instead they have the two ex-Cubs, Hawkins and Farnsworth, setting up Rivera.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 8, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but it’s the Royals…they don’t exactly light it up with the bats
by Donbedouin on Jun 8, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh goody
Jason Marquis. Yet another 5 or 6 inning max outing by a Cub starting pitcher. I’m telling you the fact that nobody outside of Carlos Zambrano can consistently go deep into ballgames is going to come back and bite this team in the ass. We can’t keep an 8 man bullpen forever.
Jim Hendry should be working 24/7 to acquire a high grade starting pitcher. The sooner the better.
Get Rich Harden !! 7 starts, 3-0, 41 IP, 49 Ks, 2.61 ERA
by MDBNIU on Jun 8, 2008 4:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Or we could upgrade our defense.
That could maybe help our starters get deeper into games, by not requiring them to face as many batters. Just an idea. Y’know, if “ideas” were something that interested you.
by cwyers on Jun 8, 2008 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quick edit
Bob Brenly has a crush on Riot
Fixed.
Lou just looks a Theriot’s BA and OBP and doesn’t want to take that away from the lineup; Brenly sounds like he’s talking to Chris Hansen when Theriot comes up.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 8, 2008 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yet so far as I can tell, Theriot has never played at catcher.
by cwyers on Jun 8, 2008 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which makes Brenly's man-crush on him even weirder.
If Ryan was a catcher, Bob might have sent a couple of scoreboard messages already.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 8, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I came this close to making a joke about a mix tape...
...before I realized that this would not be my first time joking about Brenly making Theriot a mix tape.
by cwyers on Jun 8, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you and I ran that one down already.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 8, 2008 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When no one else is hitting how do you remome his bat
by cubbierc on Jun 8, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ on D Scratch to - on O till Ronny can prove he can hit evey day.
Will he get his chance is the question
by cubbierc on Jun 8, 2008 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Astros gave that one away.
I thought only we lost that way. They were up 3-0 in the 7th. Rodriquez hit the leadoff guy. Winnington dropped a double play ball. Rodriquez hit another guy. He threw a wild pitch to score a run. By the time the Cards got their first hit of the inning(a single), they had scored 4 runs and took the lead. Unbelievable.
by Rick B on Jun 8, 2008 4:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not just a "Cubs" thing
Teams have games like that all the time.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 8, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. Rox gave one away to Brewers 3-2.
Left bases loaded 2X.
2nd inning - 1 in, loaded, 1 out, Smith and Helton - no runs.
7th inning - loaded, 1 out, Helton called out on strikes, Atkins dribbler to short - no runs.
8th inning - runner at 3rd, 1 out - no runs.
Time for the Cubs to start helping themselves again after 2 days of doing the opposite, because the league isn’t helping.
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 8, 2008 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hope Sux cool off in next couple days
Looking to sweep 2nd stright series
by cubbierc on Jun 8, 2008 4:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't care.
Not until we play them, anyway.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jun 8, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best we can hope for from marquis tonight is about 5 innings of 4 or less runs
"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.
by CubsBall2202 on Jun 8, 2008 5:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll take it.
Switch the 4 and the 5, though, and that’s likely what we’ll get.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 8, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it necessary to exaggerate with Marquis?
Based on his track record this year, he is very most likely to last until there is one or two outs in the 6th inning, having given up about three runs, or rather two runs (with a runner or two left on for Wuertz or Lieber to deal with).
"Let's not get too giggly." ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jun 8, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's hope you're right.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jun 8, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd consider that
the best we can get out of him. If he does that, I’ll be as happy as I can be with Marquis pitching. I anticipate much, much worse. I think he’s going to get hit hard in the first inning alone.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
He’s done better in 4 starts, and worse in 5 starts. And he’s done exactly this in the other 2.
(In the case of him leaving in the 6th with runners on, I imagined one of the runners would score for 3 total ER).
The question is, is the Dodgers’ offense more like the Cardinals, Astros or Brewers (who score 4-5 ER off him) or more like the Pirates, Rockies, or Padres (who score less).
"Let's not get too giggly." ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jun 8, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's due for a blowout.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just hope
it quits storming here long enough so I can watch the game tonight without losing my sat. signal.
It would make my day if Marquis could go 6 or 7 innings with giving up fewer than 3 runs….yeah, I’m not gonna hold my breath.
by sue369 on Jun 8, 2008 5:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Official Ronny and Ryan counter
How many times will ronny and ryan be brought up in the same blog as to who is better.
by brownbuddha on Jun 8, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since I didn't mention
either one I have no clue.
by sue369 on Jun 8, 2008 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, for Marquis
Not once this year has he been able to avoid a blow-up inning. LAst start out was about the best one could expect.
He is a crappy pitcher, and should be dropped behind Gallagher – if he can’t be traded – in my opinion. LaRussa was right once again…
Meh – maybe he’ll get lucky tonight, but I think that every start of his determines whether he will get another start.
by The E-Man on Jun 8, 2008 5:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I will start counting now
but look at the second post and with out failure someone always brings up the Ronny over Theriot debate
by brownbuddha on Jun 8, 2008 5:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Riiiight.
And why would you expect them to stop?
by cwyers on Jun 8, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have not idea
but it gets boring reading the same post over and over again
by brownbuddha on Jun 8, 2008 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you rather we discussed the merits...
by cwyers on Jun 8, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are we talking
hair?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2008 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of them's a hamster. One of them isn't.
I’m just saying.
by cwyers on Jun 8, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is FANTASTIC.
"I'm the glue, baby." -- Mark DeRosa, about his role on the team
by bluebythebook on Jun 8, 2008 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jun 8, 2008 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am the guilty party posting the 2nd post. I find the Cedeno-Theriot debate fascinating.
How do you judge a good SS? Errors? Range? How is that quantitatively measured? How do you judge a good batting average? What is the proper sampling size?
Regarding sample size, that’s an even more (off-topic) fascinating subject. For example, for a batter batting .300 with 100 ABs, we are 95% certain that the (the 95% statistical confidence interval) lies between .210 and .390. That’s a wide interval! The interesting thing about baseball is that you need a helluva lot of ABs (statistically speaking) to really measure the BA of a batter!
by zevkalman on Jun 8, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that if Ronny was the much better then Theriot then Lou would be playing Ronny
but we have to trust Lou and his lineups because we think we know alot about baseball but do we really know a lot about baseball and everyone can get mad a argue that they do know baseball but really you dont.
by brownbuddha on Jun 8, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay...
...so let me see if I’m understanding you correctly.
1) Lou knows a lot about baseball.
2) We don’t.
3) So you don’t want to hear us talking about baseball.
Unless I’m missing something, you don’t even need to be here, then – you could just not talk about baseball on a million other websites.
by cwyers on Jun 8, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i do want to talk about baseball but not the same stupid subject
try and come up with something new
by brownbuddha on Jun 8, 2008 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, since you're the one who thinks this is a stupid subject, you ought to be the one to come up with something new.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 8, 2008 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because there aren't other topics?
it’s not the ONLY thing we talk about. We talk about Edmonds/Pie too. :D
What do YOU want to talk about?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2008 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know what i dont want to talk about
i am challenging you to come up with something new
by brownbuddha on Jun 8, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you dont wanna talk about it
SKIP OVER THE THREADS about it and PICK a new topic further down. THIS isn’t going to work, it just makes you look whiny and me not like you.
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 8, 2008 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
everyone whines on this website about something
by brownbuddha on Jun 8, 2008 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
and they get called out usually.
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 8, 2008 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
whining/opinion
whats the different,
is it how someone view them?
by brownbuddha on Jun 8, 2008 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever
in my opinion, you are whiney. so either volunteer something new OR ignore cwyers and his theriot analysis.
THIS isn’t going to make us stop talking about Theriot’s defense. Just because you’re “bored”.
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 8, 2008 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we talk about whether Wilson Betemit would be a better SS for the Cubs than good 'ol Ryan Theriot?
by DGU on Jun 8, 2008 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok.
Wilson Betemit’s a switch-hitter and if you turn your head 45 degrees and squint real hard, he almost looks scrappy. I say we trade the whole farm for him, especially Pie and Hill, even if Cashman doesn’t want Pie and Hill. Two words, Hendry – Do it. Now.
by DGU on Jun 8, 2008 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait, you forgot the best part!
Pull out All The Stops for This Is The Year!
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2008 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure y'all will shoot me for this but...
how long has it been since Blue Mike sounded the trumpets for Jack Wilson?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 8, 2008 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, it doesn't work that way.
If you want to talk about something else, bring it up.
Otherwise, simply don’t read the threads you don’t wanna read.
That’s the way the intarwebz works, my round-bellied friend.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2008 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Instead of "challenging me,"
...why don’t YOU come up with something new, and get people to engage in conversation about it by being engaging and clever about it, rather than demanding that we entertain you?
by cwyers on Jun 8, 2008 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by why so are entertaining me right now
and i think you are getting a little mad, it is just a blog
by brownbuddha on Jun 8, 2008 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay... I havn't posted this in a while...
Just moved and don’t have internet yet so havn’t been on much.
Go Cubs!
by GoCubbies34 on Jun 8, 2008 5:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
HA HA! LOL! It's like a miniature little magical Cubworld!
I think it’s gonna bring some good luck.
by zevkalman on Jun 8, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope so! We need it.
I’m going to have to be listening to the game since I don’t have cable.
by GoCubbies34 on Jun 8, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry
we’ll swear at morgan enough for you. well i will.
i wish i could get the radio. stupid steel siding on the house means i get NO am radio.
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 8, 2008 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love that gnome.
:-)
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 8, 2008 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sweet model of Wrigley!
where’d you get it?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brilliant!
I luvs it!
I kan has Cubs stuff!
by bubbamike the one and only on Jun 8, 2008 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Theriot tonight....Lineups via Wittenmyer Twitter
Soriano
DeRo 2b
Lee
ARam
Dome
Soto
Edmonds
Onedec SS
Marquis
Ronny’s going to get a shot on National TV
Felix Pie must play everyday!
by JB 23 on Jun 8, 2008 6:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like this lineup at lot
DeRo can be great in the 2 hole. Not saying Theriot hasn’t.
Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs
by nji232 on Jun 8, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dodgers
1. Pierre
2. Either
3. Kent
4. Martin
5. Loney
6. Kemp
7. DeWitt
8. Berroa
9. Penny
by Donbedouin on Jun 8, 2008 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that might be one of the best looking lineups of the year
hope it translates to runs
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by DC Cubbie on Jun 8, 2008 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
note the lack
of distance between the lefties.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What, you've got Cedeno inbetween them.
...oh, you meant the OTHER lefties.
by cwyers on Jun 8, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea, I keep waiting for Lou to move Dome up in the lineup (1,2 or 3), assuming Edmonds stays reasonably effective
guess, I’ll just have to keep waiting. In the meantime, I’ll work on my surprise present for Al – a blue Cubs jersey with “Cuban” on the back… ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 8, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cuban or Levin Would Be Great
Not sure I want a crony of Bud and Jerry running the club. Canning might keep payroll down as a favor to both.
by CaliCub on Jun 8, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what number
are you going to put under his name?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2008 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, since it is a Cuban jersey...
methinks the lettering would be so big, there wouldn’t be room for a number. ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 8, 2008 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
well PLAYED, sir…
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2008 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow.
Color me very surprised.
I hope it’s ONDEC who shows up, and not oversliding Ronny.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2008 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice lookin lineup
"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.
by CubsBall2202 on Jun 8, 2008 6:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"ONEDEC"
over the last 30 days has been hitting like the old “CEDENO”.
I am hoping he can have a stellar night on National TV.
My “dream” for him: 2 hits, NO errors, NO overslides, 1 SB, and a score-from-2B-on a single.
by The E-Man on Jun 8, 2008 6:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's a preview of tonights broadcast
Intro
Its been 100 years since the cubs won a world series, they will try to end all of that misery tonight
Joba Chamberlain pitched today, anyone else see it?
Red Sox squeeze out another tough home win
Something about Big Brown since the race was in NY
Joe Morgan insults Cub Fans
Joe Morgan whines about Sandberg
Lakers Celtics
Cut into postgame press confrence with terry francona for the last 3 innings
"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.
by CubsBall2202 on Jun 8, 2008 6:20 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Any MAnny highlights
DURING the game?
by The E-Man on Jun 8, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course, Manny is the game
"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.
by CubsBall2202 on Jun 8, 2008 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO!
Although one thing, Morgan refuses to acknowledge Sandberg’s existence….so I doubt he will mention him.
Felix Pie must play everyday!
by JB 23 on Jun 8, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I, For One
Thought it was extremely chicken-bleep of Morgan not to be there for Sandberg’s induction. To me character counts, and that right there sealed the notion that Big Ryno > Li’l Joe.
by CaliCub on Jun 8, 2008 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What makes you think Morgan not being there for Sandberg's induction is chicken-bleep?
I mean, it’s not like that’s the only induction Morgan has missed… oh wait… never mind…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 8, 2008 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His Absence Spoke Volumes
If that didn’t tell you that Joe Morgan is an insecure, jealous, petty genius of himself that still gets miffed that the 1969 Cubs are more beloved than his 75-76 Reds, then I don’t know what.
by CaliCub on Jun 8, 2008 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pssst... I was agreeing with you...
Damn that sarcasm font! ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 8, 2008 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops, My Bad
Sorry, Ballhawk…I was getting a little too worked up there. Can you tell I’m watching the game with the sound down? LOL
by CaliCub on Jun 8, 2008 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On ESPN Radio
this PM, Freddy Coleman had on an “expert” from one of our favorite sites – I really don’t remember exactly. The “expert” stated that there was a compelling argument making the Cubs as the best team in baseball – “starting pitching( I am sure he did not mean Marquis), great offense, bullpen, and Lou”, and of course, the Red Sox, playing great in-spite of several DL placements.
It was more interesting horseshit from another “expert”.
Imo, the only team the Cubs do not match up well with in the NL is the Phillies. Until we get CC Sabathia, that is.
by The E-Man on Jun 8, 2008 6:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ya Philly is an extremely dangerous team
That lineup is absolutely loaded and they have a great 1-2 punch in hamels and myers, something we lack, and we were beaten pretty badly against those 2 in philly
"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.
by CubsBall2202 on Jun 8, 2008 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have cooled off considerably
"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.
by CubsBall2202 on Jun 8, 2008 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still...
they have a way of playing the Cubs tough, historically speaking.
by CaliCub on Jun 8, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya and this years NL West is last years NL Central, so they win the division by default
"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.
by CubsBall2202 on Jun 8, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another Good Starter
and/or another hitter would sure help the Cubs, no matter who they would face in the postseason.
by CaliCub on Jun 8, 2008 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we swept 'em at wrigley.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2008 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Historically"
That’s why I added that as a caveat. Although Arizona lost Valverde, the rest of their squad seems intact and as good as last year’s group.
That said, the Cubs have gained Dome and and added a so-far-so-good Dempster to the rotation, so that plus a deadline acquisition could be enough to overcome the DBax or Phillies or whoever we face if we make it to October.
by CaliCub on Jun 8, 2008 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And of course i just turned on the tv to espn and the first thing i see
is analysis of Joba Chamberlain
"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.
by CubsBall2202 on Jun 8, 2008 6:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
JoJoba b de man!
Everyone else is half a man on ESPN
by bubbamike the one and only on Jun 8, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amazing its the lead story on BBTN...a real shocker.
Steve Phillips descriptions of his 4 1/3 2 ER start…
“Devastating slider”
“Devastating” fastball”
So devastating that he gave up 5 hits and 2 ER in 4IP to a terrible team. Umm Yea.
Felix Pie must play everyday!
by JB 23 on Jun 8, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd tell ya what I think of Steve Phillips but I probably can't use that language on this site
"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.
by CubsBall2202 on Jun 8, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Ladies Man"
would be putting it diplomatically…
by CaliCub on Jun 8, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
am i missing something?
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 8, 2008 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fired As Mets GM
For an extra-marital affair, IIRC
by CaliCub on Jun 8, 2008 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
when was this?
i knew he was the old mets gm, but haven’t seen anything about when or why…
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 8, 2008 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm A Little Off
He had an extra-marital affair in 1998 – it was first thought to have been sexual harassment but the case was settled out of court. He wasn’t fired until 2003.
by CaliCub on Jun 8, 2008 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
according to Wikipedia (grain of salt)
the affairs weren’t what did it—the Mets just stunk
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 8, 2008 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I imagining something,
or did I just hear Peter Gammons spend his whole segment talking about a player who won’t even play tonight???
Next question: why am I surprised?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jun 8, 2008 6:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I only caught a snippet of it.
What’d he say?
by cwyers on Jun 8, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
talked about z's gatorade cooler beatdown
and then talked about how disappointing Hill’s awfulness is for the club and about where we’re going to find those effective innings.
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 8, 2008 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hill's meltdown is a much bigger deal than we tend to let on around here...
...and is a suitable topic for Gammons, especially with the tasty trade rumors he apparently dangled. As for Z… well, how can you not talk about that?
by cwyers on Jun 8, 2008 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
I like Gammons, I just didn’t listen to the part outside of the Cubs so maybe I missed what Hero was talking about…
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 8, 2008 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A whole lot of Rafael Furcal
who is on the DL.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jun 8, 2008 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gammons just mentioned the Cubs looking for
another starter. He mentioned:
Randy Wolf
A.J. Burnett and
Gil, no God Please, Meche.
Please note he didn’t mention R.H.
by bubbamike the one and only on Jun 8, 2008 6:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No way the Blue Jays trade Roy Halladay.
That’s what RH stands for, right? :)
by cwyers on Jun 8, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure they would
Straight up for Jason Marquis :)
by madeindetroit on Jun 8, 2008 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does
Halladay have a Rubber Arm?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2008 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
but he has a rubber chicken
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 8, 2008 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
then he cannot possibly be
The One.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2008 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats so cub
lets get a pre injured starter. FUN!
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 8, 2008 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
38 MILLION !!!
That is about what he will be owed on his 5 year 55 million dollar contract by
trade deadline. Besides that he is NOT pitching well. I keep suggesting Wolf because
he is piching well and on a one year contract though of course SHOULD Madog want to
come back that would work for me too. Most of the suggestions on this list are pie in the sky
in terms of quality and realistic chance of obtaining said pitcher.
It will be at least a month before any real move in my view so let’s wait and see
what developes.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 8, 2008 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you mean the Devil Rays?
Of course I still call the Brewers the Pilots.
by bubbamike the one and only on Jun 8, 2008 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm... I wonder if...
...Garza came off the mound pointing his finger at his head, and Navarro followed up by pointing at the scoreboard…
Can a Navarro bobblehead be far behind?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 8, 2008 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Gammons...
I like Peter Gammons – but like last year, the parity in baseball will make acquiring pitchers at the deadline much more dicey. Toronto really has a decent team, and the Rays can’t hang in for an entire season. Can they?
Cebathia could be a rental player for the right price – at least he does not have track record of injury history. He will not be resigning w/the Tribe next year.
It will take several Cubs prospects, but a pitcher like CC could take us all to the “Promised Land” finally.
by The E-Man on Jun 8, 2008 6:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OK, Off To Watch
our Cubs, with the sound down of course!
by CaliCub on Jun 8, 2008 6:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
2 minutes in
and we already have one mention of the 100 yr drought. I’m shocked.
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 8, 2008 7:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gammons made mention #2
that didn’t take long either
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jun 8, 2008 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope nobody's doing a drinking game based on that.
They’ll be hammered by the bottom of the third.
by cocknfire on Jun 8, 2008 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least no
fan down LF line name drop yet.
(I personally refuse to use his name because of how ridiculous this all is)
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 8, 2008 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morgan's first...."Morgan" of the night
Saying if the Cubs are still in it in September, they have the resources to get somebody….Huh?
Ummm Joe, if your refering to the trading deadline, that is July 31st….
Felix Pie must play everyday!
by JB 23 on Jun 8, 2008 7:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't bother Morgan with facts
They’re not his strongest points.
by cocknfire on Jun 8, 2008 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
I can’t think of them yet, but there almost have to be some.
Right?
by cocknfire on Jun 8, 2008 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right now, it's probably his belt.
That sucker sure has to be strong these days.
by cwyers on Jun 8, 2008 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that arm flap
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 8, 2008 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm almost glad I don't have cable in the office
and have to listen to the gameday broadcast.
Almost. :P
by slcathena on Jun 8, 2008 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay off to eat
Back in a lil while!
Restraining the urge to get giggly....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jun 8, 2008 7:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Joe hasn't been disdainful, yet.
But he is just getting started, give him time.
by bubbamike the one and only on Jun 8, 2008 7:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn - no "angels in the outfield" tonight; as in Angel Hernandez...
...Instead, he’s behind the plate.
What are the odds Z gets tossed from the bench?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 8, 2008 7:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Joe Morgan in the booth
Angel Hernandez behind the plate.
I don’t know how long I’m going to be able to take this.
by cocknfire on Jun 8, 2008 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least Marquis is pitching
oh, yeah
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 8, 2008 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Morgan
What’s the over under on Morgan’s absurd commentary?
I’ll go with 10
by joz132 on Jun 8, 2008 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
10 comments?
or ten seconds?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2008 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angel Hernandez is atrocious
"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.
by CubsBall2202 on Jun 8, 2008 7:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
aaaaand
I’m going to eat, and then watch “Herbie: Fully Loaded” with my son, who has no appreciation for the finer things in life…
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2008 7:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
At least watching Lindsay Lohan is more enjoyable
than watching Joe Morgan.
by cocknfire on Jun 8, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pre or post drugs?
2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?
by Chanman25 on Jun 8, 2008 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Joe Morgan is the opposition
I don’t think it really matters.
by cocknfire on Jun 8, 2008 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dero Homer
"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.
by CubsBall2202 on Jun 8, 2008 7:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
HOMER DERO!
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jun 8, 2008 7:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Derosa!!!
2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?
by Chanman25 on Jun 8, 2008 7:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dero!!!
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jun 8, 2008 7:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Looks like it's DeRo's time...
to enjoy fastballs in front of Lee/Ramirez/Dome.
Ron Santo should sing TMOTTBG everyday. Period.
by Schwa on Jun 8, 2008 7:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and for once the 2 hitter in our lineup pulls the ball…
by Donbedouin on Jun 8, 2008 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
c'mon lee
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jun 8, 2008 7:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ouch!!!
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jun 8, 2008 7:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Base hit Lee, off of Lowe's foot
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jun 8, 2008 7:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Penny
"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.
by CubsBall2202 on Jun 8, 2008 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's gonna leave a mark...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 8, 2008 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looked like a soccer move
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
by Jayo525 on Jun 8, 2008 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good solid contact
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jun 8, 2008 7:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So it's gonna be....
I'm bleeding Dragons Blue.
by dragonsfanatic on Jun 8, 2008 7:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the last time
a ball hit an opposing hitter, he went on to pitch something like 7 scoreless innings. let’s hope that’s not the case
by cubbiefanTN on Jun 8, 2008 7:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
what about opposing pitcher?
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jun 8, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was that an ankle shot?
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
by Jayo525 on Jun 8, 2008 7:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yes
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jun 8, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pretty much
looked like it hit just above his left ankle
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jun 8, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah, he's with the Cardinals... ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 8, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what - no snaps or pops?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 8, 2008 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That sounded painful
Here’s to Lee going 4/4 tonight and busting the game wide open.
by slcathena on Jun 8, 2008 7:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
4 shots off the pitcher?
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
by Jayo525 on Jun 8, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It should be very painful
actually….
I'm bleeding Dragons Blue.
by dragonsfanatic on Jun 8, 2008 7:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
what - no snaps or pops?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 8, 2008 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep all of the above actually
but its storming really bad here right now. but no threat of tornados so i’m happy with that. so i can handle static, snap, crackle, pop once in a while.
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 8, 2008 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish mine crackled during
the corny commercials. Ron is not a very good actor.
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry
by Jayo525 on Jun 8, 2008 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lee was going on the pitch, Ramirez grounds 5-3. Lee to 2nd.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jun 8, 2008 7:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Come on Dome!
Here it here
I'm bleeding Dragons Blue.
by dragonsfanatic on Jun 8, 2008 7:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What a great problem to have...
My DeRo homer tracker has 55 lines. DeRo just hit his 56th HR. Have to start a new page tonight. Lots of effort, but I’m happy to do it. Anything to help my hero…
I’ll be back after my writer’s cramp clears up…
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jun 8, 2008 7:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Red sox yankees references already coming in
"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.
by CubsBall2202 on Jun 8, 2008 7:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs