That's More Like It: Cubs 9, Giants 2
It's West Coast week -- for four days, at least -- and that means the rest of you are going to have to fill in the blanks, because I had to go to sleep (sure, I'll take one for the team, but not when I have to get up at 3 am for work) after the third inning last night.
Had a good feeling, though, even when I turned the TV off -- it looked like Ted Lilly had good stuff and good location, and the Cubs had already started waiting Barry Zito out and had capitalized on a Giants error to score the first run of the game. And they kept on scoring, thanks mostly to two Mark DeRosa home runs, the second a grand slam that put the 9-2 win over the Giants out of reach.
This was an important win for a number of reasons. A four-game losing streak, the first of the year, isn't that bad, but if you let it get to five it might snowball into something truly long. Snapping it on the road and getting back to winning when two of your best hitters aren't in the lineup is the first notable thing -- this is how the Cubs have succeeded all year, with different heroes every day.
Last night it was DeRo, with a 6-RBI night; Matt Murton, in a rare start, with a two-run double, and Lilly, who threw his best game of the year, even while running out of gas one inning short of a CG shutout. Kerry Wood, pitching for the first time in five days, finished up, but not before allowing a couple of consolation runs for the Giants.
Lilly, who has jokingly suggested that he bat somewhere other than 9th (the disease seems to be spreading -- the Pirates are now the third team in the NL Central to bat their pitcher 8th this year, doing it last night while losing to the Reds), struck out all five times he batted. That's the first time a pitcher has done that since San Diego's Clay Hensley did it at Wrigley Field against the Cubs on May 14, 2006 (Hensley also won that game, by a 9-0 shutout.)
As I suggested in last night's preview, the Cubs helped get to Barry Zito by waiting him out, and his control was poor -- he walked five, and the Cubs drew nine free passes in all, their most in a single game this season. Five Cubs who walked also scored; three of those alone on DeRosa's grand slam after Billy Sadler had walked the bases loaded. Fun like this could be had throughout this series, because the Giants pitching staff leads the National League in walks issued with 338 and the Cubs are the most patient team in the major leagues, having drawn 340 walks, more than anyone else.
Read that again. The most patient team in the major leagues. When did you ever think you'd read those words about a Cubs team? This comes only two years after the hackmaster, Dusty Baker, had his team dead last in baseball with only 395 walks for the entire season (comparison point: that year, the league leader, the Phillies, had 626 walks and the Cubs had 64 fewer walks than the next-lowest team, the Pirates). This year's team will pass that 395 total in 14 more games, presuming they keep up their present average of 4.1 walks per game.
That's just one of the reasons this team, and this year, feels different. The Cubs are 19-5 against the NL West, the worst division in baseball (only the Diamondbacks' 6-3 win over the Brewers last night prevented the entire division from going under .500), and that's what good teams do against bad ones, beat up on them. There are only nine games remaining against the West (the three in this series, three against the Giants next week at home, and three at Arizona later this month). So keep up the good work! Onward to tonight.
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hmm...

Many apologies, but this is like a really important day in my life, you know, being first and all.
GO CUBS!
Help me Obi-ONEDEC. You're our only hope.
by IowaCubs- on
Jul 1, 2008 8:39 AM CDT
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That is an appropriate shirt
For all that. Congrats.
by lamentir on
Jul 1, 2008 11:14 AM CDT
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LMAO!
your sarcasm is much appreciated!
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by IowaCubs- on
Jul 1, 2008 11:22 AM CDT
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More like it indeed
I really think the road trip may serve as a sort of reset button for these guys. This is a good start to the trip, and a reminder that our fortunes as a team and fanbase may ebb and flow, but in the big picture, that stat (thanks for bringing it up, Al) about their patience absolutely boosts my confidence in these guys.
"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse
by Goodie1969 on Jul 1, 2008 8:36 AM CDT 0 recs
As I said yesterday...
... I think these guys also feel they’re now away from the circus atmosphere around the Cubs/Sox games and can concentrate on, for lack of a better word, “real” baseball now.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jul 1, 2008 8:41 AM CDT
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I still want to get another shot at the Sox...
Let’s settle this North v. South thing in October.
Help me Obi-ONEDEC. You're our only hope.
by IowaCubs- on
Jul 1, 2008 8:44 AM CDT
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+10
In honor of Santo.
"We are not equations with hats." -Dean Young
by Kegler on
Jul 1, 2008 9:41 AM CDT
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You mean the former White Sox player?

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Jul 1, 2008 9:43 AM CDT
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Freaky
Ron played 2B for the Sox? I forgot that, I guess.
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on
Jul 1, 2008 9:46 AM CDT
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2B for Ron was Chuck Tanner's idea
I'm a good speller, but my typing creates a SERIOUS vacuum. (especially while I'm at work sticking it to the man)
by cubfever7 on
Jul 1, 2008 10:25 AM CDT
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OK
Just kind of odd. I can see his arm declining, but guys at the end of their career don’t usually increase their range. Especially if they have diabetes? (Maybe an uninformed statement, but the people I’ve known with it have always had foot and leg issues – and Ron eventually did too obviously)
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on
Jul 1, 2008 10:27 AM CDT
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I don't
even remember the sox having red caps. Ronnie must have hated that year. You can see the anguish in his eyes. “I should’ve just retired, damnit!”
I think Santo would enjoy topping the Sox in the Series more than any of us would.
"We are not equations with hats." -Dean Young
by Kegler on
Jul 1, 2008 9:47 AM CDT
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Not as much as he would enjoy
beating the Mets in the NLCS.
He never had any AL rivals when he played. Was he griping about the Sox this weekend?
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on
Jul 1, 2008 9:50 AM CDT
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Not really.
He didn’t care much for the umps, though. Ron knows what’s right. He’d rather beat the Mets and the Cardinals any day.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Jul 1, 2008 9:50 AM CDT
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You're right,
the Mets would be paramount.
I don’t think he was saying much this past weekend, but I recall him sounding disappointed about having ended his career in a Sox uni rather than having stayed with the Cubs. I have no specific commentary to reference though.
"We are not equations with hats." -Dean Young
by Kegler on
Jul 1, 2008 9:52 AM CDT
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He's not the only one.
Any of us who were around back in 1969 will savor that moment much like a fine wine.
by MN exile on
Jul 1, 2008 10:19 AM CDT
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He told the story the other day about how he ended up doing a fair amount of DH'ing and how much he hated that
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on
Jul 1, 2008 10:35 AM CDT
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Yeah, but wasn't that in the context of Pat
asking him what the experience of playing both leagues was like?
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Jul 1, 2008 10:36 AM CDT
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Santo card
I love the 1975 Topps set – I have a very nice 1975 Topps complete set in my collection. Definitely the best looking Topps set of the 1970s, though some might argue the 1971 set is more handsome.
"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979
by danimal15 on
Jul 1, 2008 12:24 PM CDT
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I think a road trip is a great thing
especially after how crazy the city’s been over the series.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Jul 1, 2008 2:10 PM CDT
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Last night was excellent.
Good performances, jumped on Zito early enough to keep the heart rate down, and put it away with DeRo’s huge HR. A much needed win.
I wasn’t ledge sitting yet, but was starting to see if I needed to set out a lawn chair to “dibs” my place out on the ledge. I’m keeping said lawn chair in the closet for now.
by N Oakley on Jul 1, 2008 8:36 AM CDT 0 recs
All Hail...

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by digitalbenjamin on
Jul 1, 2008 8:44 AM CDT
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Murton really played well last night....
I didn’t see every play, but aside from that KEY two run double to make our lead more comfy, he made a real nice play in left. He got over to the line really, really quickly, fielded and threw a strike to second and almost embarassed the fire out of Rowand. Nice work Red!
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by cubfever7 on
Jul 1, 2008 8:52 AM CDT
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Two things
First, full disclosure says that the runs allowed by Lilly probably shouldn’t have occurred. Edmonds seemingly misjudged a hard line drive by Rich Aurilia that just as easily could have been an out. If that is caught, it’s a shutout. It was much easier seeing him “misplay” that ball in a 9-0 game rather than a 1-0 game though.
Also, truth be told, I’m not sure you can say that the Murton play you mention was anything out of the ordinary. First of all, he plays LF with his heels on the warning track, making it pretty easy to get to balls like the one mentioned. In fact, Duane Kuiper and Mike Krukow both mentioned that he might play the deepest LF in all of baseball. The throw was fine but it was a hard hit ball and Aaron Rowand doesn’t run like he used to anymore. I wouldn’t go overboard with the praise for that particular play. It was decent but not that impressive.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.
by krummy12 on
Jul 1, 2008 9:24 AM CDT
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So long as we're playing this game...
...we get to this point by having Theriot make a long throw over to first on a close play; the ball ends up in the dirt and Lee has to dig it out. A stronger throw at least has a chance of getting the runner, and that changes the whole complexion of the inning. Instead Wood was used and Howry ended up being warmed up.
by cwyers on
Jul 1, 2008 9:31 AM CDT
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+1
Was just about to make that point.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Jul 1, 2008 9:35 AM CDT
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He also had to wait for the second hop
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand. - Homer J Simpson
by MikeOxbyg on
Jul 1, 2008 12:03 PM CDT
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That play was most likely going to be a base hit 8 out of 10 times...
regardless of who was playing SS.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Jul 1, 2008 12:05 PM CDT
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gotta agree with that
It was a high, bouncing, chopper that virtually nobody could have gotten to and made a good play on with a reasonably speedy guy like Randy Winn batting. As it was, I thought Theriot played it well.
by false cognate on
Jul 1, 2008 12:31 PM CDT
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If he truely wasn't...
...able to charge the ball to glove it before that final hop, the only thing an ‘elite’ SS might have been able to do is to barehand the grab, cutting out the time of the ball transfer. No easy task, of course.
The hit was a product of the chop off the plate and Wynn’s speed – not anything that Theriot did poorly.
by Shawon O Meter on
Jul 1, 2008 2:37 PM CDT
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the play itself didn't seem awful to me
but you should be able to make a strong throw from the IF grass to the 1b that he doesn’t have to dig out of his foot.
IMHO anyway
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Jul 1, 2008 2:39 PM CDT
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Yes...
but considering the speed of the batter and the time he had to throw the ball once he got it….only a few SS at the ML level are going to fire a strike to 1B on that play.
He also wasn’t on the infield grass…if I remember correctly.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Jul 1, 2008 2:44 PM CDT
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I thought it was
maybe I’m confused. but if you’re a ML SS you need to get enough on that throw to not kill your 1b. D-Lee helps cover up a lot of stink on our IF defense.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Jul 1, 2008 2:46 PM CDT
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Lee is the only thing...
keeping Theriot from becoming a crippling defensive player.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Jul 1, 2008 2:50 PM CDT
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Likely true.
He’s saved a ton of errant throws from both Theriot and Ramirez.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Jul 1, 2008 2:51 PM CDT
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Yeah, I gotta admit...
...I cringe almost every time Theriot throws the ball to first.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Jul 1, 2008 2:59 PM CDT
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same here
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Jul 1, 2008 3:00 PM CDT
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Agreed
But, you do mean lobs the ball to first, right? ;)
Can just see DLee at first mouthing awaiting a ball thrown by TheRiot “it’s gonna make it, it’s gotta make it”
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on
Jul 1, 2008 3:07 PM CDT
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the best part is the
6’5” guy STRETCHING out for the ball b/c he knows the ball is just gonna die if he doesn’t.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Jul 1, 2008 3:09 PM CDT
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I cringe every time he fields a ball and does that little ball-pump into his glove before throwing...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on
Jul 1, 2008 4:07 PM CDT
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Me too...
I just don’t see the point to it. And I don’t understand why, when DeRo is in the outfield, Cedeno is at 2B and Theriot SS. He has NO range, much less the arm for SS.
by crazymountain on
Jul 1, 2008 5:29 PM CDT
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Don't know how crazy these mountains are, but ....
looking north in Carpinteria, CA
driving east on the 101 toward Ventura, CA
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on
Jul 1, 2008 5:38 PM CDT
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And just for good measure....

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on
Jul 1, 2008 5:41 PM CDT
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the sea was angry that day, my friend...
...like an old man returning soup at a deli.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on
Jul 1, 2008 5:43 PM CDT
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No soup for you!
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on
Jul 1, 2008 5:44 PM CDT
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I looked into the eye of the great fish--
“Mammal”
“Whateva”
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Jul 1, 2008 5:55 PM CDT
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What is that, a Titleist?
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on
Jul 1, 2008 5:58 PM CDT
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Is anyone here a marine biologist?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Jul 1, 2008 7:36 PM CDT
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Thanks!
These are in Carpinteria, so I’ll have some of Santa Barbara soon.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on
Jul 1, 2008 6:05 PM CDT
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looks like all is good
in northsiderland
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on
Jul 1, 2008 6:02 PM CDT
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Ah, the Crazy Mountains
I lived many years in Montana up the Shields River valley with a gorgeous view of the Crazy Mountains, last mountain range before you get to West Dakota…...CrazyMountain has been a great business name for a lot of years now. And, I actually sold my domain crazymountain.com for $25,000 when I retired. Have many more crazymountain domains though…...
by crazymountain on
Jul 1, 2008 6:00 PM CDT
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I'll take that under advisement from someone..
who chooses to use a partial “f’ bomb in their tagline. I was watching on MLB.TV and saw when the depth at which Murton plays was pointed out. But after having suffered through some of the butchery in left both with and without Alf, i still thought it was a really nice solid MLB play for a left fielder. Saying someone “doesn’t run like they used” to is really vague. The dude won a gold glove in CF LAST YEAR. I think his speed is better than you give credit for and he was darn near embarassed.
We disagree.
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by cubfever7 on
Jul 1, 2008 10:32 AM CDT
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Fine
That’s fine to agree to disagree…but what does the tagline have to do with anything? I have absolutely no intention of debating whether anyone is capable of watching a baseball game at any level. We will agree to disagree on your implication that a tagline is a sign of anything to the contrary.
If you want to stroke Murton for that play, go ahead. It was simply an average play by an average player. Nothing more, nothing less. You point to Rowand’s defense as a sign that he somehow has better than average speed. I will assume you understand that speed is but one of the things that may be considered an appealing skill to have when playing the OF. Unless of course you believe all of those gold gloves on Edmonds’ mantle were acquired when he was “fast”.
I haven’t even pointed out the fact that the replay of the double clearly showed that Rowand was not at running full speed around first and that he didn’t accelerate until about halfway to second.
But you can view it how you wish. Makes no difference to anyone on here.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.
by krummy12 on
Jul 1, 2008 3:04 PM CDT
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I agree Rowand wasn't running full speed.....
why do you suppose that was? I would submit that it was because he assumed that on a ball hit that hard into the corner that he had an easy double. Even though Murton plays deep, he still got to the ball quickly and rifled in a nice strike to second.
Speed-sure-guys witohout blazing speed with gold-but Rowand is 31 years old and was just signed to a long term contract to play CF in the ML. He can run chief-you believe as you wish to, but the boy gets around pretty well.
Thank you for speaking for everyone here. The tagline goes to credibility and I daresay mentality.
"Red Sox Nation: In your opinion, who’s the best player not in the HOF?
Bill James: Ron Santo" October 2004.
by cubfever7 on
Jul 2, 2008 1:32 PM CDT
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ye-haw!

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 1, 2008 9:09 AM CDT 0 recs
I missed a Grand-slam?
Darnit. But it looks like my plan of listening to the game on WGN while playing CoH, and then going to bed around 10:45 worked. So I’ll do it again tonight.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 1, 2008 9:12 AM CDT 0 recs
Haven't thought of CoH in a while
lasted almost a year playing a few hours a week. Fun. Then I grew up and had kids etc. No more time for my scrapper.
by JCD on
Jul 1, 2008 9:51 AM CDT
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My kid
plays with me.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on
Jul 1, 2008 11:28 AM CDT
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I stayed up until the 5th inning
and I felt a little determination from this group. They seemed focused, and you have to be to draw that many walks. Lilly might have set the tone with his pitching too. I think an undermanned team like ours right now may pull together more. I feel good about he rest of the series!
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Jul 1, 2008 9:22 AM CDT 0 recs
Most BB in a game?
“As I suggested in last night’s preview, the Cubs helped get to Barry Zito by waiting him out, and his control was poor—he walked five, and the Cubs drew nine free passes in all, their most in a single game this season”
Wouldn’t the highest total in a game be the 11 recorded in Pitt on Apr 7th?
Impressive totals none the less.
by jajonez77 on Jul 1, 2008 9:28 AM CDT 0 recs
Clarification.
Most in a NINE-INNING game this year.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jul 1, 2008 9:31 AM CDT
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10 BB in a game
They had 10 on both Apr 19th vs. Pit and Jun 25th vs. Bal. Both 9 inning games.
I had to go look at the baseball reference because I thought I remembered them having 10 a few times. It really is a different team this year. :)
by jajonez77 on
Jul 1, 2008 9:37 AM CDT
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You're right.
I must still be sleepy. Thanks for the correction.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jul 1, 2008 9:48 AM CDT
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I can sympathize with being sleepy:
Lilly, who has jokingly suggested that he bat somewhere other than 9th (the disease seems to be spreading—the Pirates are now the third team in the NL Central to bat their pitcher 8th this year, doing it last night while losing to the Redsat Wrigley Field against the Cubs on May 14, 2006 (Hensley also won that game, by a 9-0 shutout.)
I like you Al, but you made my head a splode. : )
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by northsider on
Jul 1, 2008 10:53 AM CDT
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Yep, that was some kinda glitch
Maybe it was ‘cause Al was sleepy, but it woke me up pretty good. WTF?
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on
Jul 1, 2008 10:58 AM CDT
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so it wasn't just me who got lost
when reading that sentence. good.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Jul 1, 2008 3:07 PM CDT
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Very sleepy.
I’ll fix it. I know what I was TRYING to say!!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
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