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2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?

by Chanman25 on Jul 1, 2008 9:16 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

GO CUBS!!

first

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 1, 2008 9:16 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fourth.

Dome reaches!!!

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 1, 2008 9:17 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

granted

2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?

by Chanman25 on Jul 1, 2008 9:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

there we go

"Here's the pitch to Aramis, THERE'S A DRIVE, DEEP LEFT-CENTER, CUBS WIN!!! THEY WIN IT, RAMIREZ 2-RUN SHOT, OH BABY! CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?" -Len Kaspar

by Cubs1389 on Jul 1, 2008 9:17 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dome reaches on error by Giants 3B Castillo

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:18 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

asked this in other thread as well

To anyone who has been to Shea: I’m going to New York next week and was thinking about going to see Shea Stadium. I was wondering if it was worth seeing before it is torn down. The pitching matchup is Lincecum vs. Santana so that could be a factor…

2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?

by Chanman25 on Jul 1, 2008 9:18 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

def go

"Here's the pitch to Aramis, THERE'S A DRIVE, DEEP LEFT-CENTER, CUBS WIN!!! THEY WIN IT, RAMIREZ 2-RUN SHOT, OH BABY! CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?" -Len Kaspar

by Cubs1389 on Jul 1, 2008 9:19 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lineup?

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on Jul 1, 2008 9:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Derosa in 2 spot, Ronny in the 8 spot.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Derosa, hitting second, pops out to CF

Theriot was a late scratch. Len and Bob speculate it is due to his bruised right hand.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:19 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lee singles to LF

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:20 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

New lineup (presumably):

Dome
DeRosa
Lee
Ward
Soto
Edmonds
Fontenot
Cedeno
Marquis

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Jul 1, 2008 9:20 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

pat just verified that

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 1, 2008 9:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's correct, according to Len

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I got the info from Len.

The presumption was that Lou didn’t make any OTHER changes to the lineup.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Jul 1, 2008 9:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have never wished an injury on Theriot.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Neither have I.

Although we do have to be clear that it’s not for-sure that Theriot is injured. That’s speculation.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Jul 1, 2008 9:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I haven't heard how he hurt his hand...

In the field? Batting?

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Jul 1, 2008 9:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I believe it was fielding.

Took a ball off his hand, near the thumb

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Believe he has a bruise there.

They’re being very coy about it, trying to avoid giving other teams ideas on how to pitch him.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Jul 1, 2008 9:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

got jammed

and tweaked something, if i understood the article i read right.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 1, 2008 9:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, I didn't mean anyone prayed for an injury.

I just meant many of us have a stated preference for Cedeno playing shortstop – especially with Marquis on the mound.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 1, 2008 9:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lee baby

"Here's the pitch to Aramis, THERE'S A DRIVE, DEEP LEFT-CENTER, CUBS WIN!!! THEY WIN IT, RAMIREZ 2-RUN SHOT, OH BABY! CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?" -Len Kaspar

by Cubs1389 on Jul 1, 2008 9:20 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

DWard grounds into and inning ending 4-6-3 double play.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:22 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TWSS

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TWSS

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Doesn't have to stop before it starts again?

I don’t think we have had our vaccination from it yet.

by GoCubbies34 on Jul 1, 2008 9:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TWSS

"I'll play any day. I don't care if I'm 0-for-30, playing baseball is my PASSION. I'll go out and play." - Geo Soto

by CubbyBlues on Jul 1, 2008 9:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"He's not trying to do it." Carrie Muskat

...someone had to say it.

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jul 1, 2008 9:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TWSS

"I'll play any day. I don't care if I'm 0-for-30, playing baseball is my PASSION. I'll go out and play." - Geo Soto

by CubbyBlues on Jul 1, 2008 9:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Denied.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that one is weak

denied?

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 1, 2008 9:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed

denied

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 1, 2008 9:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

DENIED

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Jul 1, 2008 9:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

haters lol

“he’s not trying to do it” is blatant innuendo – i didn’t realize the standards were sooooo high

"I'll play any day. I don't care if I'm 0-for-30, playing baseball is my PASSION. I'll go out and play." - Geo Soto

by CubbyBlues on Jul 1, 2008 9:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We're a tough crowd, yup

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Jul 1, 2008 9:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and that many denied... surely is one that is denied

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 1, 2008 9:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are we arguing over the sex of Carrie Muskat?

because technically, he/she did say it.

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jul 1, 2008 9:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gameday is SO confused right now...

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Jul 1, 2008 9:24 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To be fair, so was I.

Was not aware that teams could in fact change the lineup once the first pitch was delivered.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Jul 1, 2008 9:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jason's fastball is up in the zone.

He better fix that, most rickey-tic

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:26 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lewis single into RF

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:26 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OT Ron drinks his coffee black. Pat puts half and half in his

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 1, 2008 9:26 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thats random

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 1, 2008 9:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hence the OT

they were talking about it

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 1, 2008 9:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i know

:-)

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 1, 2008 9:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fascinating story. Compelling and rich.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

didn't care to much for that love panda.

2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?

by Chanman25 on Jul 1, 2008 9:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you didn't get the "compelling and rich" anchorman quote?

2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?

by Chanman25 on Jul 1, 2008 9:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, sorry, no.

I guess I need to see that movie a few more times.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 1, 2008 9:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OT: only one 4H meeting left

until fair. Words cannot express how happy i am.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 1, 2008 9:28 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marquis is really his own worst enemy.

His head is a screwy as Zambrano used to be (may still be). He is also terrified of throwing strikes.

Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs

by nji232 on Jul 1, 2008 9:29 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marquis walks whomever is hitting second for the Giants.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:29 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

durham, 2b

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 1, 2008 9:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gracias!

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

still plays? wow

"I'll play any day. I don't care if I'm 0-for-30, playing baseball is my PASSION. I'll go out and play." - Geo Soto

by CubbyBlues on Jul 1, 2008 9:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

according to gameday

couldn’t make this stuff up

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 1, 2008 9:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I meant why didn't he flip it

And if it was because fontenot wasn’t at the bag, where was fontenot??

by GoCubbies34 on Jul 1, 2008 9:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly.

But Brenly blames Cedeno anyway. Douchenozzle.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rewound it; Fontenot wasn't on the bag when Cedeno went to the base.

Now, whether or not Fontenot could have made it before Cedeno did is open to debate.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Jul 1, 2008 9:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brenly had his mind made up.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How is our number 6 pitcher

doing tonight?

A good day for me is a cubs win and a sox loss.

by diehardmark on Jul 1, 2008 9:30 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Jul 1, 2008 9:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Winn ground into 6-3 fielder's choice.

Of course Brenly finds fault with Cedeno. F-n schmuck.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:30 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That may have been on fontenot

but Cedeno shouldn’t have made the play at second on his own

"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella

by El Borto on Jul 1, 2008 9:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fotenot wasn't on or near the bag.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the flu theriot has

"Here's the pitch to Aramis, THERE'S A DRIVE, DEEP LEFT-CENTER, CUBS WIN!!! THEY WIN IT, RAMIREZ 2-RUN SHOT, OH BABY! CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?" -Len Kaspar

by Cubs1389 on Jul 1, 2008 9:30 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah...

that Cedeno is a defensive wizard

by soonerbered on Jul 1, 2008 9:30 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

last try i promise...

TWSS

"I'll play any day. I don't care if I'm 0-for-30, playing baseball is my PASSION. I'll go out and play." - Geo Soto

by CubbyBlues on Jul 1, 2008 9:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm sorry...FAIL

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Jul 1, 2008 9:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eww.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 1, 2008 9:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fail

watch how these are used over the course of the night and maybe you’ll do better tomorrow

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 1, 2008 9:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

deal

i swear it works when i’m just talking to my friends haha

"I'll play any day. I don't care if I'm 0-for-30, playing baseball is my PASSION. I'll go out and play." - Geo Soto

by CubbyBlues on Jul 1, 2008 9:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow.

Wow wow wow.

Well, Lou said on the pregame yesterday that the Giants run a lot. There ya go.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 1, 2008 9:31 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Way to pay attention, Geo.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:32 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fontenot should have gotten the tag down

"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella

by El Borto on Jul 1, 2008 9:32 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wake up, Guys.

You all look asleep out there tonight. First, Cedeno’s poor play, and now they give the Giants a gift run.

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on Jul 1, 2008 9:32 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

are you sure?

I’m not tivoing right now but I think Fontenot was there.

by soonerbered on Jul 1, 2008 9:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I rewound it.

Fontenot never made it to the bag. He was heading that direction, but he wasn’t on the base.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Jul 1, 2008 9:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ya but he held up once he saw Cedeno running to the bag on his own

"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella

by El Borto on Jul 1, 2008 9:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, come now.

Really jumping through hoops now to blame Cedeno for trying hard to make a play.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well

not making the double play was assured when he took three steps with the ball in his glove.

Fontenot may or may not have made it to the bag, but ideally he is there on time to make the turn. I put that one on Fontenot

"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella

by El Borto on Jul 1, 2008 9:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's kinda the way I saw it as well

I just don’t understand some of you all’s man-crush on Cedeno. Is it that people think he’s good, or just better than Theriot? I think I’ll trust Lou to lead us to the best record we’ve had in like 70 years, and he thinks Theriot is better fit.

by soonerbered on Jul 1, 2008 9:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just better than Theriot.

I think Cedeno’s ceiling at this point is utility infielder, with a possibility of being an adequate starter.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Jul 1, 2008 9:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just don't see that either.

RC has 32 errors in 889 career TC’s. RT has 24 errors in 987 TC’s.
RC has a .252 avg in 815 AB’s. RT has a .287 avg in 981 AB’s.

I know RT doesn’t hit for power, but not everyone on the team has to hit for power. And again, I’ll trust Lou.

by soonerbered on Jul 1, 2008 9:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Errors and batting average...

...join pitcher wins in the “stats that have no real meaning” triple crown.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Jul 1, 2008 9:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

isn’t it funny how statistics that don’t jive with one’s opinion somehow become less important then when they do?

by soonerbered on Jul 1, 2008 9:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

don't be an ass

cwyers doens’t cherry pick stats that match his opinion, he likes DEEP stats. E’s don’t indicate a fielder’s skill and BA isn’t enough of a picture to see what someone is really like at the plate.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 1, 2008 10:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 10:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You make me wistful,

or maybe it’s winsomee.

No, actually, it’s just gas.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 10:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm in a grumpy mood

i was around snotty kids for 3 hours. if you’re gong to be an ass, i’m going to be unpleasent. so, either don’t or brace yourself, mmkay?

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 1, 2008 10:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I kind of fall in between

I think sabermetrics (sp?) and the “deeper” numbers can be useful, but I don’t completely ignore the “old” stuff either.

That said, HBCG is right. cwyers is consistent, and to say otherwise really doesn’t make sense.

by cocknfire on Jul 1, 2008 10:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dont have the math skills to be a saber-magician

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 1, 2008 10:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't actually calculate the numbers

And in some cases, I don’t understand them.

But I like looking at them. They’re pretty.

by cocknfire on Jul 1, 2008 10:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you prefer poetry right?

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 1, 2008 10:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually, I take my cues

From the rock-solid insights of Joe Morgan

by cocknfire on Jul 1, 2008 10:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

insights is ONE way of putting that

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 1, 2008 10:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Like him

I don’t believe you can compare things with stats. ;)

by cocknfire on Jul 1, 2008 10:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you go ahead and look over my body of work...

...you’ll find this opinion to be pretty consistant. I use OPS or OBP/SLG in casual conversation, Linear Weights for when I’m doing research. For fielding I use Zone Rating. Add a positional adjustent and it’s called Wins Above Replacement. (I also have my own baserunning stat based on PBP data, if you’re curious.)

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Jul 1, 2008 10:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

k

Question: Why are you wasting all this brillant player analysis on us? Why don’t you work for a club?

by soonerbered on Jul 1, 2008 10:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because I like the Cubs and find it fun to hang out here.

If you don’t like my conclusions or don’t agree with them, that’s fine. I like to think my work stands for itself as close to professional-grade analysis; I’ve had conversations with people who do consulting work for MLB clubs and they sometimes get to talking above my head – stuff like ANOVA escapes me right now.

So, I do it because it’s fun and it’s a hobby. If you don’t care for what I do, that’s fine. But I really don’t like it when people question my integrity baselessly.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Jul 1, 2008 10:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You should really relax a little.

Geez no one questioned your integrity. It seems no one here can take any ribbing at all.

by soonerbered on Jul 1, 2008 10:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

theres ribbing

and then theres being a jerk.

guess which one you came off as?

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 1, 2008 10:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

thin skinned I’d say

by soonerbered on Jul 1, 2008 10:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

whatever

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 1, 2008 10:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's completely disingenuous.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 10:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

isn’t it funny how statistics that don’t jive with one’s opinion somehow become less important then when they do?

Okay, so if that isn’t questioning my integrity, what is it.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Jul 1, 2008 10:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't use his words against him! He was just joking!

I know I call people liars all the time when I’m teasing with them. It usually gets a huge laugh.

by cocknfire on Jul 1, 2008 10:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow..

I give. that’s not at all what I was saying. I don’t care if you think I’m an ass, I been called worse by better. but I wouldn’t take that the way you took it.

by soonerbered on Jul 1, 2008 10:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's trying to claim it was a joke now.

Which is completely ridiculous.

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by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 10:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not to mention ones balance

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 1, 2008 10:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who said he's wasting it

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by dtpollitt on Jul 1, 2008 10:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not Ronny's fault...

No way they get the runner at first even if he flips it to Fonty.

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by Bump Bailey on Jul 1, 2008 9:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fontenot wasn't on the bag.

If Ronny flips to him, there would be no outs

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by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is that because our 2B is playing 3B?

Lou’s musical chairs in the MI has to stop.

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by DeRoMyHero on Jul 1, 2008 9:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't care what he plays

he should be in Iowa.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 1, 2008 9:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dunno

:-) I like Patterson better, but maybe I’m the only one who still does.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 1, 2008 9:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like Fontenot better than Patterson...

...but with Theriot and Ramirez both unavailable they’re essentially the same player – a backup second baseman who plays no other infield position.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Jul 1, 2008 9:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NOT RHETORICAL -

do you know E-Patt’s fielding percentage @ 2B in Iowa?

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Jul 1, 2008 9:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, and to be frank I don't know that it matters.

Fielding percentage is a poor way of measuring defense. The best minor league defensive numbers I’m aware of are Dan Fox’s Simple Fielding Runs; he works for the Pirates now, sadly, so no chance of getting 2008 numbers. But I think he was around a -5 in 2007, not great but not terrible.

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by cwyers on Jul 1, 2008 9:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, a 2B usually has more chances in a game

than a 3B. Therefore, I would put my better defensive 2B at 2B.

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by DeRoMyHero on Jul 1, 2008 9:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fontenot doesn't have the arm for third.

You’d have to set DeRosa up to handle the relay throw anytime a grounder was hit to him over there.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Jul 1, 2008 9:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He doesn't have the glove for 2B.

Does that make him a DH?

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by DeRoMyHero on Jul 1, 2008 9:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fontenot is a passable defensive second baseman.

This is probably our best defensive alignment with the current personel. Asking Lou to do otherwise is asking him to put his team in a worse position to win this ballgame.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Jul 1, 2008 9:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed...

after watching again…it looks that way.

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by Bump Bailey on Jul 1, 2008 9:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wait, what happened?

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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 1, 2008 9:32 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Foul tip that doesn't hit the ground and remains in the cathcer's mitt

is the same as a swing and a miss. Runners may advance at their own risk.

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by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah. Thanks

I have GOT to get my TV fixed.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 1, 2008 9:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This first inning is a comedy of errors

Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs

by nji232 on Jul 1, 2008 9:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just go ahead and hand them them a run Geo

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by DC Cubbie on Jul 1, 2008 9:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, this is a fun bunch

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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 1, 2008 9:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OT: There's a baseball game being played tonight

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by dtpollitt on Jul 1, 2008 9:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I turned on my TV to see a game....

and instead, I’m watching Ringling Bros. Circus.

Lucky we didn’t get another run scored there on the wild pitch.

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on Jul 1, 2008 9:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Im guessing more baseball tonight

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by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 1, 2008 9:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Would it be asking too much

to ask Jason to get this guy out?

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Jul 1, 2008 9:35 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Apparently

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Jul 1, 2008 9:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

alright rough start

but i think we’ll get to cain – the only question is, can marquis settle in and keep us close?

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by CubbyBlues on Jul 1, 2008 9:35 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

50% Marquis

is decent.

50% he is horrible.

Tonight its the latter.

by The E-Man on Jul 1, 2008 9:36 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IT'S THE FRIGGIN' GIANTS!!!

Throw strikes, for God’s dake!!!

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Jul 1, 2008 9:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Sake", even...

Exit – stage left…

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Jul 1, 2008 9:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what the ?????

When is Marquis going to learn how to pitch?

by cubbie1029 on Jul 1, 2008 9:36 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You don't think

they have tried to find him a new home? You have to have someone willing to take him..it’s not an easy thing to do.

by sue369 on Jul 1, 2008 9:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When are we going to get him infielders

that know how to turn a DP?

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by DeRoMyHero on Jul 1, 2008 9:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hes got decent stuff

lots of movement on his stuff.

Stuff doesn’t make the pitcher.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 1, 2008 9:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OT

Does anyone know what type of glove Kosuke uses? That black & white one. My kid really wants one.

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Jul 1, 2008 9:36 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah maybe. It looks like a Nike glove,

but I can’t find it anywhere

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Jul 1, 2008 9:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dragon might know...

you can ask him if he shows up..

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by Bump Bailey on Jul 1, 2008 9:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good call. Thanks

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Jul 1, 2008 9:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Man I really don't like Marquis

bad stuff and no control is not a winning combo

Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by DC Cubbie on Jul 1, 2008 9:36 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i wonder why we gave him 21 million bucks

"I'll play any day. I don't care if I'm 0-for-30, playing baseball is my PASSION. I'll go out and play." - Geo Soto

by CubbyBlues on Jul 1, 2008 9:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

...we should just not have signed him

"I'll play any day. I don't care if I'm 0-for-30, playing baseball is my PASSION. I'll go out and play." - Geo Soto

by CubbyBlues on Jul 1, 2008 9:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just laying around. No one else was using the 21 mil.

Against a better team, we’re probably three runs down right now.

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on Jul 1, 2008 9:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He has some interesting pictures of Hendry

Thats the only thing I can figure.

A good day for me is a cubs win and a sox loss.

by diehardmark on Jul 1, 2008 9:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Think about the 2006 season...

...and, specifically, the starting rotation. That’s why he got 21 million bucks.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 1, 2008 9:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Hendry had it left over after paying Soriano

and he gave to the first crappy pitcher he saw

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by DC Cubbie on Jul 1, 2008 9:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Coaching visit to the mound

how interesting was this one?

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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 1, 2008 9:37 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah

i was hoping for more fireworks. the last one was fun in a trainwreck kind of way

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 1, 2008 9:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 1, 2008 9:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And the ump ejects Lou from behind...

...as Lou heads back to the dugout.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 1, 2008 9:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stop the bleeding at one...please

Marquis needs to find the strike zone.

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jul 1, 2008 9:37 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its on Hendry

to get a more talented, consistent pitcher, for the team to get to the promised land.

by The E-Man on Jul 1, 2008 9:37 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Queue the Blue....

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by dtpollitt on Jul 1, 2008 9:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brenly hit the nail on the head

if you can’t strike anybody out, you may as well pitch to contact early in the count instead of going 3-1 or 3-2 on everybody.

"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin

by davidalanu on Jul 1, 2008 9:38 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's cringe-inducing, but that is damn funny.

well done.

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by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cain is hittable

I’m looking for big things past this

Green Hulk Fists

by oaklandSMASH on Jul 1, 2008 9:39 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Saw that commercial for the movie "ET"

I vote that he steps on and pitches this game for us. How bad could he be?

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on Jul 1, 2008 9:40 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice

"I'll play any day. I don't care if I'm 0-for-30, playing baseball is my PASSION. I'll go out and play." - Geo Soto

by CubbyBlues on Jul 1, 2008 9:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

question

can someone tell me what twss stands for? I’ve been reading the boards for a while and have never understood what it stands for.

by cubbie1029 on Jul 1, 2008 9:41 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thats what she said

"I'll play any day. I don't care if I'm 0-for-30, playing baseball is my PASSION. I'll go out and play." - Geo Soto

by CubbyBlues on Jul 1, 2008 9:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

THATS WHAT SHE SAID

Really serves no baseball purpose; our immaturity, that’s all

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by dtpollitt on Jul 1, 2008 9:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and we reserve to right to say deny you if you twss

again kinda immature

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by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 1, 2008 9:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So, wait a second

I just peeked back overa t gameday from the way y’all were talking i thought we were down 100893 runs.

it is still 1-0 right?

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 1, 2008 9:41 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yea

we just hate marquis

"I'll play any day. I don't care if I'm 0-for-30, playing baseball is my PASSION. I'll go out and play." - Geo Soto

by CubbyBlues on Jul 1, 2008 9:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

also, the reply button

is your friend here. :-)

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 1, 2008 9:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

eh.

We strive for more creativity, and your last one set the bar pretty high.

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by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good b/c that wouldn't have made any sense

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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 1, 2008 9:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was trying figure out how that could make sense

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by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 1, 2008 9:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah it wouldn't have

UR DOIN IT RONG!

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 1, 2008 9:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

370 career homer for Edmonds

its amazing he could hit over 400, really shows you the difference in the eras.

Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by DC Cubbie on Jul 1, 2008 9:42 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs