Pregame Thread: Cubs vs. Giants, Tuesday 7/1, 9:15 CT
by Al on Jul 1, 2008 6:30 PM CDT
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Chicago Cubs at San Francisco Giants, Jul 1, 2008 9:15 PM CDT
The Giants have a better pitcher going for them tonight, but in general, their team is still... not very good. Carrie Muskat's mailbag contains the following exchange:
What's the deal with Derrek Lee grounding into double plays so often? We're not even at the 80-game mark, and he has almost as many GDPs as he's ever had in a full season. His current pace puts him around 33, which would be more GDPs than anyone in the National League (at least back to 1933). -- Chris G., Minneapolis
He's not trying to do it. When asked, Lee said: "It's one of those years -- double play's the thing. I don't know what to do differently. I don't want to strike out. I'd rather hit a line drive in the gap, obviously. I'm just hitting ground balls at the wrong time. I guess that's what it comes down to."
He was asked before Saturday's game, and then went 5-for-5. Lee does hit the ball hard, which results in more double plays.
Look, I don't usually like to make fun, but really. He's not trying to hit into DP's? What a surprise! Gee, a lot of hitters DO try to do that, right? And hitting the ball hard results in more DP's, apparently. Who knew?
The SBN Giants site McCovey Chronicles is written by a Giants fan who is learning to revel in the mediocrity that the Giants are dropping into. For example, his comment on his game thread last night (warning! Long game thread - may take a while to load) sums up what it means to be the fan of a bad team:
If the Giants had signed Ted Lilly to the contract given to him by the Cubs, I would have complained for a month. Lucky for us, we signed Zito, so we didn't need to sign Lilly to some long contract for too much money.
And then there's the MCC FanPost All-Pathetic Giants Team, which has several ex-Cubs on it and a mention of Neifi Perez in the comments.
Just remember, we've been there. It feels good to be on the other side of the pennant race fence now, doesn't it?
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Matt Cain, who has a great arm and is only 23, has a 4.06 lifetime ERA vs. the Cubs -- but is 2-1 in San Francisco, and both those wins are memorable. The first one was his third major league start on September 9, 2005, a two-hit CG. The other one was last August 23, when not only did he outpitch Carlos Zambrano, but also homered off him.
Jason Marquis, on the other hand, has thrown really well against the Giants in his career -- 3-0, 2.12, all in San Francisco, the last one on August 21, 2007, when he threw seven innings of one-run ball despite walking five. Randy Winn is 6-for-13 with 2 HR off Marquis and Rich Aurilia is 6-for-17 with a triple and a HR -- otherwise he handles everyone on the current SF roster pretty well. He wasn't very good in his last start. He needs to be tonight.
Tonight's game is on cable in the Bay Area, nationally on WGN, and at the MLB.com Mediacenter.
MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)
MLB.com Gameday (2008 version)
Baseball-reference.com game preview
Today's first pitch thread, again, posts right around first pitch time at 9:15 pm CT. The overflow comment threads will post at 10:15 and 11:15 pm CT.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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CAIN
LIGHT ‘IM UP!!!!!
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jul 1, 2008 6:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
HAMMER
RIP (sniff)
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 1, 2008 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He belongs to the board now...
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jul 1, 2008 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's gone to the Great Game Thread In the Sky.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 1, 2008 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where the hell is Hammer, anyway?
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno - maybe he got nailed?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 1, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're on a roll....
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or rock crushed him
( only to be smothered by paper)
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 1, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha.
I’m still laughing… hahahaha
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 1, 2008 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's was a Hammer in oakland
His parachute pants have not been seen since…
Green Hulk Fists
by oaklandSMASH on Jul 1, 2008 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh... gallows humor. I love it. And it's a great way to pass the time during a sucky season...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 1, 2008 6:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's hoping we're ABEL to hit CAIN hard tonight!
thank you, thank you. I’ll be here all week. Try the veal.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 1, 2008 6:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
groooooaaaannnnnn........
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 1, 2008 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Braggart.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's
ba-bum pssss.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 1, 2008 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do I dare???
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Jul 1, 2008 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 1, 2008 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
These West Coast games drive me crazy
but if they mean a Cub win I’m willing to sacrifice. Go Cubbies!
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jul 1, 2008 6:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like them!
Can eat dinner and then have dessert while I watch my favorite team. An ideal evening.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by tucsoncubsfan on Jul 1, 2008 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm willling to sacrifice for you, Tucson :)
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jul 1, 2008 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I LOOOOOVE West Coast games
They mean I can be home for sure to watch them in my PJs and fall asleep right as they get done.
by chilango2 on Jul 1, 2008 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love west coast games
because I’m on the west coast—go me!
Green Hulk Fists
by oaklandSMASH on Jul 1, 2008 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yay West Coast…err Mountain Time Zone
by Donbedouin on Jul 1, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in MST=PDT
Love it for these games.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Jul 1, 2008 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I only like them on tuesdays between may and july
b/c i get to watch the game after 4-h while i eat dinner..
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 1, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW I'm glad Zito isn't on our team...how bad would we treat him if he was on our team?!
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Jul 1, 2008 6:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Like Marquis, but
approximately 10% worse.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
10%... thats a lil on the low side
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 1, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at the bright side...
Rich Hill is having a Zito season at a bargain price.
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Jul 1, 2008 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but luckily
we don’t get to see it!
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Jul 1, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Solution for D-Lee
It’s simple. He just has to try to hit into double plays. I guarantee that if he comes up to the plate and says “I just have to hit a three hopper right to the SS” that he won’t be able to do it.
In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this -Oysterband
by Ross on Jul 1, 2008 7:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. That's what the golf pro told me to do
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Jul 1, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you want to hit into a sand trap, aim for it. LOL
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Jul 1, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boy, I screwed this one up
He said if you DON’T want to hit into a sand trap, aim for it. Obvioulsy, I don’t know where my golf ball is going when I hit it.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Jul 1, 2008 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it time for first pitch yet??
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Jul 1, 2008 7:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
two HOURS
dood.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 1, 2008 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All Pathetic Cubs Team
Seeing the page on the Giants makes me want to ask. Or have we been there done that already? If anyone’s interested, I’‘l give you mine from the ‘50s & ‘60s.
"Earthly fame is naught but a breath of wind, which now comes hence and now comes thence, changing its name because it changes quarter." -- Dante, Purgatorio, Canto XI
by sweetswinger on Jul 1, 2008 7:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I sure would.
But Neifi is #1 all time, no argument.
by chilango2 on Jul 1, 2008 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
above
Jacque Jones?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 1, 2008 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely. NO ONE surpasses Neifi.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jul 1, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s pretty amazing.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 1, 2008 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
weak
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Jul 1, 2008 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWSAS
(That’s what she actually said)
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andre Rogers (Maybe)
You probably never saw him play, but he was a classic no hit/worse field SS. Once blew what should have been an unassisted triple play. Runners on 1st & 2nd, no outs, breaking on pitch. Batter hits line drive to him, which he drops, than makes a bad throw trying to get the batter going to 1st. Everyone safe.
"Earthly fame is naught but a breath of wind, which now comes hence and now comes thence, changing its name because it changes quarter." -- Dante, Purgatorio, Canto XI
by sweetswinger on Jul 1, 2008 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Kunkel.
Now THERE was a bad player.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 1, 2008 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't remember Kunkel.
But I’ll take your word on it.
"Earthly fame is naught but a breath of wind, which now comes hence and now comes thence, changing its name because it changes quarter." -- Dante, Purgatorio, Canto XI
by sweetswinger on Jul 1, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here Goes
LF Lee Walls
CF Jim Bolger (Note: All 3 OFs wore glasses)
RF Bob Will
3B Jack Litrell
SS Andre Rogers
2B Jerry Kindall
1B Ed Bouchee
C Harry Chiti/Cal Neeman/Sammy Taylor (There were so many to choose from)
PH Bob Speake
PH Chuck Connors (later became a TV & movie star)
SP Taylor Phillips
SP Paul Minner
SP Bob Anderson
SP Johnny Klippstein
RP Vito Valentinetti
RP Tony Balsamo
"Earthly fame is naught but a breath of wind, which now comes hence and now comes thence, changing its name because it changes quarter." -- Dante, Purgatorio, Canto XI
by sweetswinger on Jul 1, 2008 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's your team for the '50s.
How about an all-time team?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 1, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How desperate are the Mets ?
Tonight’s starter Tony Armas has an ERA over 5 in the last 4 seasons. The Mets signed
him to a minor league contract and have brought him up to start. As far as I can tell the
Mets do not have an injured starter and must presumably think he is better than Pelfrey
Yep thanks given the Cards two runs already in the 1st.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 1, 2008 7:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
even worse, in the top of the 1st
the Mets got 2 singles and a walk, but didn’t score because reyes got caught stealing and chavez got picked off at third base to end the inning. its gotta be frustrating to be a mets fan
by philadelphiacub on Jul 1, 2008 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
picked off of 3rd?
wow. thats awfully cedeno-esque.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 1, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mets suck the big one
already down 2-0. Their rotation is a joke, Santana isn’t, but the rotation as a whole is.
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on Jul 1, 2008 7:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
come on Cubs
make it a good day in Chicago sports. the Blackhawks already satisfied me, now your turn Cubbies.
by SCH on Jul 1, 2008 7:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just read about the Hawks
looks like they mean business this year.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Jul 1, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, they sure do
I was shocked they picked up Campbell, did not think they would shell out the money for him. Huet’s a good pickup, too.
by SCH on Jul 1, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if any of the WGN games will be
broadcast on the cable outlet, but I hope so. Really want to stay closer to the team this year, I think they will make the playoffs (fingers crossed)!
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Jul 1, 2008 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure yet
All they have said so far is that it will be about 10 games and most of them Friday/Saturday night games, and some Sunday afternoon as well. I just think it’s awesome that all 82 are on TV and we have Pat back.
by SCH on Jul 1, 2008 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know it. What a nice time for Pat
he gets to see the Wolves win ANOTHER cup and goes back to the Hawks after old man Wirtz has passed and his son is rejuvenating the franchise as fast as he can. It’s all good.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Jul 1, 2008 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From what I remember hearing...
.... the WGN Blackhawks gams will be Chicago-only.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 1, 2008 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did any see the
“fukuthome” jersey mentioned in the Giants blog? I assume it was worn at the Sux game?
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Jul 1, 2008 7:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Here it is.
(click it to go to the original post)
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jul 1, 2008 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it what?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 1, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The picture loads for me even after a refresh, can't help you there.
Except provide this direct link
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jul 1, 2008 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the comment from the guy in Cleveland
who said they have been saying that to Thome for years. Baseball fans can be very creative with what they come up with. I give the guy on CraigsList credit for coming up with these jerseys and pretending that they were “for both teams.” Hah!!
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Jul 1, 2008 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, Pat has always been
the voice of the Hawks, and that will never change. I was never a fan of Dan Kelly. Getting Foley back is just another great thing McDonough has done since stepping in. Seeing him call 82 games with the likes of Kane, Toews, and Campbell on the ice will be a lot of fun.
by SCH on Jul 1, 2008 7:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Marquis does not
give me the warm fuzzies. Let’s score first and often.
by sue369 on Jul 1, 2008 7:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yes, please
Waste no tears on me. I didn't come along too early. I was right on time. - Buck O'Neil
by gewurztraminer on Jul 1, 2008 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Esp. against Cain
Marquis ain’t gonna win a pitchers’ duel.
by AceCubbie on Jul 1, 2008 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No but he will probably out hit Cain
I am looking for him to get 1 RBI for each two runs he gives up and figure
the rest of the team can get him enough to cover them and win.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 1, 2008 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he would win
if the duel involves beards
Waste no tears on me. I didn't come along too early. I was right on time. - Buck O'Neil
by gewurztraminer on Jul 1, 2008 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did against Lincecum last year.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 1, 2008 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How prescient............
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jul 2, 2008 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lineup:
Fukudome
Theriot
Lee
Ward
Soto
Edmonds
DeRosa
Fontenot
Marquis
How much Fontenot? Too much Fontenot!
by cwyers on Jul 1, 2008 8:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh give it a rest
:P
FONTEYES!
Cubs cocktail: Add equal amounts of devotion and stubbornness over ice, stir and serve.
by Fukumania on Jul 1, 2008 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im looking forward to that cute picture
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 1, 2008 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd buy his as a stuffed animal
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 1, 2008 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it looks like the one you'd win at the fair
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 1, 2008 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep it does
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 1, 2008 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm setting the over/under on
double plays screwed up at 2.
Fontenot and Theriot up the middle and Ward in LF. This could be very ugly defensive game.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has to be:
Derosa’s got to be 3B, Edmonds is CF, Dome in RF, leaving Ward in LF, unless Lou has really done something odd
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
like use
a left-fielder to play left field?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 1, 2008 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not gonna lie
Ward scares the shit outta me in LF
by BradB311 on Jul 1, 2008 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm just afraid he'll go down in a heap
b/c of the back and old legs
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 1, 2008 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute...
...and Marquis is pitching?! NOOOOOOOOOO
sarcasm
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Jul 1, 2008 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
Put Marquis on the mound and give him our worst defensive alignment. Great idea.
by cwyers on Jul 1, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't like Ward batting 4th
Not this soon and not with the team likely to face a 5-0 deficit after the bottom of the 1st.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and remember, half of them are stupider than that!
by DaBard on Jul 1, 2008 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind that.
I think Ward’s a good hitter. He’ll do his job. But he is not an OF’er anymore.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you forget who we ar playing?
Come on people.
Cubs cocktail: Add equal amounts of devotion and stubbornness over ice, stir and serve.
by Fukumania on Jul 1, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
People need to take Marquis' junk off of the proverbial cutting board
Sheesh. Give the guy a break.
Cubs cocktail: Add equal amounts of devotion and stubbornness over ice, stir and serve.
by Fukumania on Jul 1, 2008 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know -- it's irrational
But I still think he’s a Cardinal plant. He’s like the LaRussian Candidate, sent here to assassinate any hopes of a Cubs championship.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and remember, half of them are stupider than that!
by DaBard on Jul 1, 2008 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, please.
That’s just ridiculous.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 1, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just think
he’s not very good. Hopefully, I’ll be proved wrong.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 1, 2008 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you mental?!
Dude. Seriously?
These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"
by slcathena on Jul 1, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boy, you're not adding much to this board at all, are you?
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jul 2, 2008 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Fontenot is scrappy and Ward is proven vet
Both are MUCH more important to Lou than defense which is clearly overrated.
FREE MATT MURTON
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 1, 2008 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
too much
with the Cajun. And Murton falls to the ginger-hate again.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 1, 2008 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can hear Bud Black now
Anyone who does not hit the ball to the LEFT side is going to fined $1,000 per at bat
C’mon people the BEST fielder that have there is a replacement 3B , LF, SS and 2B are a joke
even we can get on if we hit it there.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 1, 2008 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm.....
I guess DeRo didn’t look too good batting 5th last night. Need to move him down in the order…
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jul 1, 2008 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou must maintain the lefty-right alternation.
(Yes, I realize it’s actually LRRLRLRLR)
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for clearing that up, GV.
Now I know why Lou won’t let Matty play today, either. It might ruin the geometry of the lineup.
The thought of Ward playing LF in that huge yard is nauseating. Perhaps I’m going the way of Hammer?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jul 1, 2008 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Barry handled it capably last year.
Ward can’t be too much worse, and he’s got two good legs.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And a conscience.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 1, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not when he's in a buffet line.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every man has his weakness.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 1, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True.
Ah, whiskey, you’re the devil.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so does every female...
mine ice cream
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 1, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pecan pie
and mark derosa
Waste no tears on me. I didn't come along too early. I was right on time. - Buck O'Neil
by gewurztraminer on Jul 1, 2008 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a great time to be a Cubs/Hawks fan
Let’s hope Marquis can bounce back from his last start….I unfortunately feel that we will begin to see Jason’s season head to the shitter! Also, has a huge Hawks fan the signing of Campbell and Huet has filled in some major holes on the Hawks team. The power play and Goaltending will be much improved. Now let’s hope Hendry makes a major move like the Hawks and pick up another stud pitcher (C.C.)! Let’s bring it tonight!
"Commit to the Indian!"
by Bpatterson83 on Jul 1, 2008 8:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't remember the last time i was this excited about the Hawks this early
Today’s signings were huge
by bluekoolaide on Jul 1, 2008 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see it's free
cynicism night here on BCB! First 1500 people in the thread!
Cubs cocktail: Add equal amounts of devotion and stubbornness over ice, stir and serve.
by Fukumania on Jul 1, 2008 8:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Last night's shenanigans were up there with the best of em...
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Jul 1, 2008 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shame I missed it!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed.
These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"
by slcathena on Jul 1, 2008 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 1, 2008 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah they were
I spent a lot of time giggling. Stayed up too late. Ended up napping today.
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 1, 2008 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can the Giants throw Zito again tonight?
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Jul 1, 2008 8:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sadly, no.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mets Cards now 3-3
"Earthly fame is naught but a breath of wind, which now comes hence and now comes thence, changing its name because it changes quarter." -- Dante, Purgatorio, Canto XI
by sweetswinger on Jul 1, 2008 8:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
go Mets
And I wasn’t here in 1969, so I can say that without hurt. I did grow up in NY, after all. :D
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 1, 2008 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Born in 80 here
I could care less. GO METS!
Cubs cocktail: Add equal amounts of devotion and stubbornness over ice, stir and serve.
by Fukumania on Jul 1, 2008 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate the Mets.
However, I will cheerfully root for them when they play the Cardinals. Or the Brewers.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 1, 2008 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also hate the mets
but cheerfully root is a bit much. Why cant both teams lose?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 1, 2008 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
720 wgn having lou pre game press confernence
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 1, 2008 8:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
last night he was happy w/ lilly job.
9-1 since starting off 0-4.
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 1, 2008 8:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
also that he is going to try and rest Soto a lil bit.
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 1, 2008 8:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not like Hank White hasn't been hitting.
Cubs cocktail: Add equal amounts of devotion and stubbornness over ice, stir and serve.
by Fukumania on Jul 1, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummmmm
gameday shows Marmol starting…????
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
by eswan9 on Jul 1, 2008 8:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lou wants him to get some more innings
by madeindetroit on Jul 1, 2008 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, guess he listened to all the
Marquis haters out here.
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
by eswan9 on Jul 1, 2008 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Lou needs Marquis to play LF?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jul 1, 2008 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never mind
It’s fixed.
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
by eswan9 on Jul 1, 2008 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: New York Shea Stadium Question
I’m going to New York next week and was thinking about going to see Shea Stadium. I was wondering if it was worth seeing before it is torn down. The pitching matchup is Lincecum vs. Santana so that could be a factor…
2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?
by Chanman25 on Jul 1, 2008 8:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This seems like a no-brainer to me...
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Jul 1, 2008 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah one night I am going to see Yanks-Rays
Ponson vs. Kazmir should be great!
2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?
by Chanman25 on Jul 1, 2008 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go Rays!
Keep the Spanks and the Red Sux out of the playoffs!
If someone told me that Ponson would be dominant in 2008 in the beginning of the season, I would have laughed my ass off.
strange world
Green Hulk Fists
by oaklandSMASH on Jul 1, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Personally, I don’t like Shea very much at all, but it’s definitely worth going before it’s torn down, and that looks like a great matchup.
by John Q Freejazz on Jul 1, 2008 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you don't like it as in....
its the mets or its a dump?
2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?
by Chanman25 on Jul 1, 2008 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mets go up 5-3 in the top of the fifth!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 1, 2008 8:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yesssssssss
Cubs cocktail: Add equal amounts of devotion and stubbornness over ice, stir and serve.
by Fukumania on Jul 1, 2008 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wellemeyer
Looks like did with the Cubs tonight. Very vulnerable.
"Earthly fame is naught but a breath of wind, which now comes hence and now comes thence, changing its name because it changes quarter." -- Dante, Purgatorio, Canto XI
by sweetswinger on Jul 1, 2008 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why does the front page of cubs.com say marquis is aiming for the series win?
this is a 4 gamer, right?
"Winning is the greatest marketing idea of all time." --Cubs President John McDonough
by cubbieblue on Jul 1, 2008 8:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
6-3 Mets
"Earthly fame is naught but a breath of wind, which now comes hence and now comes thence, changing its name because it changes quarter." -- Dante, Purgatorio, Canto XI
by sweetswinger on Jul 1, 2008 8:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
GO METS!
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 1, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
12 hits in 5 innings against Wellemeyer. Glad to see him pitching the same way he did as a Cub.
by bikemonkey on Jul 1, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do not ask for who the regression to the mean tolls!
It tolls for you!
by cwyers on Jul 1, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO!
Perfect.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let it start tolling for..
..Looper, Pinero, and Lohse as well.
by bikemonkey on Jul 1, 2008 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All in due time....
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
swwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 1, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Brew Crew
are lighting up Randy Johnson in the first. 3 – 0 so far.
by bikemonkey on Jul 1, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
off to play CoH and listen to WGN. LET’S GO CUBS!!!
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 1, 2008 8:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
City of heroes, I think.
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
by eswan9 on Jul 1, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think WoW except for superheroes.
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
by eswan9 on Jul 1, 2008 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was hoping not to mention it...
Grrrrrrrr….....
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
by eswan9 on Jul 1, 2008 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I used to play FFXI.
Never got into WoW.
by cwyers on Jul 1, 2008 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never got into either one
but stil play DnD
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
by eswan9 on Jul 1, 2008 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Played them all
except for 4e
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
by eswan9 on Jul 1, 2008 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
4E doesn't look that good to me.
I should probably give Keep on the Shadowfells a shot just to be fair, though.
by cwyers on Jul 1, 2008 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bought the PH
Talking with my buddies, we agreed Wizards WoW’d DnD
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
by eswan9 on Jul 1, 2008 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard that, but for me...
...it really seems more like a CCG. Very Magic: The Gathering.
by cwyers on Jul 1, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No,
A true nerd would argue whether Kirk is better than Picard.
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
by eswan9 on Jul 1, 2008 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never understood that.
Kirk is obviously superior.
by cwyers on Jul 1, 2008 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the proof of that
is here.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see he has his toupee...
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
by eswan9 on Jul 1, 2008 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Always.
The Shatner is always looking good.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First Contact > Wrath of Khan.
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
by eswan9 on Jul 1, 2008 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just Kidding
both movies are great.
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
by eswan9 on Jul 1, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Picard > Kirk
The bald guy was better than the hair club for men guy.
Green Hulk Fists
by oaklandSMASH on Jul 1, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
David Wright goes deep!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 1, 2008 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good
He’s on my fantasy team
Green Hulk Fists
by oaklandSMASH on Jul 1, 2008 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
7-3 Mets
Keith Hernandez, now broadcasting for Mets, loves it even as he disses Cubs uniforms from the ‘70s.
"Earthly fame is naught but a breath of wind, which now comes hence and now comes thence, changing its name because it changes quarter." -- Dante, Purgatorio, Canto XI
by sweetswinger on Jul 1, 2008 9:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
listening to these idiots on SNY
try to describe the Cubs/Cardinals rivalry is a joke. They are typical NYers who know nothing about anything west of the Hudson River. Time to turn on WGN.
Go Cubs!!!
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Jul 1, 2008 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cards pick up a run, end of six, Mets up 7-4
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 1, 2008 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
one more friggin scrubs or ED commercial
and Im going to puke. when the hell is first pitch, already ?
by ballstitch on Jul 1, 2008 9:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
viva viagra
Waste no tears on me. I didn't come along too early. I was right on time. - Buck O'Neil
by gewurztraminer on Jul 1, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 1, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok here we go
Looks like the Giants put a few better known players out there today.
Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs
by nji232 on Jul 1, 2008 9:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Al is fashionably late again with the game thread
...a west cost thing.
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Jul 1, 2008 9:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
E-5 and Dome gets on to start the game
Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs
by nji232 on Jul 1, 2008 9:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
nope just came up
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 1, 2008 9:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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