What Baseball Books, Sources, References Do You Use?
We've talked about favorite baseball movies. What about your favorite baseball books? What books influenced how you think about the game? Which ones did you find most enjoyable?
Also, what sources aside from BCB (electronic or otherwise) do you frequent most for information, insight, data, etc.?
There's so much information out there, having your sage advice on identifying the best of the best will be deeply appreciated. I can't think of a more astute group of experts.
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Bill James' books...
... particularly the early Baseball Abstracts, are masterpieces of analysis, and the reason they’re so good is that he doesn’t just produce reams of stats and say “That’s it, take it or leave it”. He writes spectacularly well and is able to explain his reasoning.
Baseball-reference.com and Retrosheet.org—I don’t know what I’d do without them. I bow in admiration to Sean Forman and Dave Smith, who run those two sites.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 10, 2008 10:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
From the mountaintop
to my ears. Thanks, Al!
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jul 10, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
off-season idea
This could make for a good off-season series: The 100 best baseball books for all time. Thoughts?
I've told you a million times never to exaggerate!!
by pscrblazer on Jul 10, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
100 best?
That’s a HUGE number of books, and a lot of material to go through.
But if anyone wants to submit a list of ideas, I’ll think about this. Top 20 might be more doable.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 10, 2008 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mostly use BCB :)....
.... but I have also used http://www.baseball-reference.com/ and http://www.baseball-almanac.com/. For books, look at this post from a while back: http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2008/2/16/194214/209 and http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2008/3/15/182732/413. I had the same questions a while back. Hopefully these will help… Good luck!
The 100th time has GOT to be a charm...
by cubswgnrocks on Jul 10, 2008 10:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Moneyball.
If you haven’t read it yet, please go out and do so. I just re-read it and it’s really an incredible book. I also enjoy Baseball Between The Numbers, written by members of Baseball Prospectus, as it talks about a LOT of interesting things (i.e. why there’s no such thing as clutch hitting).
Online, I stick with www.baseball-reference.com and Baseball Prospectus.
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by Keith on Jul 10, 2008 10:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm reading it right now
and can’t put it down. Lewis is an excellent writer; I’ve enjoyed his other books as well. Moneyball tells a great story and gives good insight into the sabremetrics phenomenon.
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jul 10, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For Reference...
I come here and tap the great baseball minds at this site.
For enjoyable fiction or nonfiction, anything written by Mark Harris on the subject of baseball (outdated, but thats what I like so much about them), Man on Spikes by Asinof (really good book), and I also really liked Praying for Gil Hodges.
by jbertram on Jul 10, 2008 10:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Where I Find Stats.
This is not a complete list.
Major Leagues:
www.baseball-reference.com – Splits, Batting Runs, OPS+/ERA+
www.fangraphs.com – Batted ball data and pitch type/speed data for five years
www.hardballtimes.com – Fielding Independent Pitching, fielding data and sortable lists
www.espn.com – Fielding data, sortable lists
www.sportsnet.ca – Fielding data
http://baseball.bornbybits.com/2008/pitchers.html – PitchFX player cards
Minor Leagues:
minors.baseball-reference.com
www.minorleaguesplits.com – Split stats for current season
www.first-inning.com
www.milb.com – Avenue of last resort
by cwyers on Jul 10, 2008 10:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Various suggestions
As already mentioned for straight stats Baseball Reference is the best. Not many ads either to clutter up the pages. I like Sickels web site for baseball prospect discussions. I’ll also hit the Baseball Analysts, Hardball Times and other sites for general discussion when I have time. I see cwyers has mentioned some of the technical sites.
Books (these have been mentioned before):
- The Glory of their Time – Ritter
- Boys of Summer – Kahn
- Babe – Craemer
- Cobb – Stump (make sure it is the book he wrote after Cobb died)
- Anything by Bill James
- The various Halberstam baseball books (I like some of his non-baseball stuff too)
- Only the Ball was White – Peterson (on Negro Leagues)
Finally, join SABR if you are interested in baseball history. The free publications are worth the yearly dues. You also can sign up for various email trivia lists and daily email list discussions.
by rlpete on Jul 10, 2008 10:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
One suggestion for "everyday" stats
Although baseball-reference.com is incredible, I find the interface on Yahoo Sports much cleaner, simpler and enjoyable, so I use it for “everyday” queries about players, boxscores, basic stats.
I also find it much cleaner than MLB.com/Cubs.com etc. for stats, scores and schedules.
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jul 10, 2008 11:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Hard Copy Books
Try the Elias Book of Baseball Records and Total Baseball edited by Paul Thorn and Pete Palmer.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Jul 10, 2008 11:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A question Too.
I really enjoyed Bill James’ “Goldmine” as a primer for this upcoming season.
Ripete has a list of what look like historical…biographical…baseball books,
does anyone have a list of more literary (halberstam would maybe qualify) type books?
Thanks.
by patron on Jul 10, 2008 12:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If you're looking for something a bit more than dry history or biography
“Veeck as in Wreck” – It’s an autobiography, but very, very entertaining
Rob Neyers “Big Book of…” – There’s three of these covering Lineups, Blunders, and Legends (this one’s a bit more dry than the other 2). If you’re a potty reader, these are great
“The Great American Novel” – It’s actually a novel about a third major league. Very, very humorous
“You’re Missing a Great Game” – Whitey Herzog’s book, bit of a recollection of his major league managing career as well as his general thoughts on the game
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by snley on Jul 10, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure what you mean by "literary".
I actually prefer non straight biographies too. Ruth’s and Cobb’s are two that I recommend though. I prefer books like Halberstam’s about seasons or teams or Kahn’s on the Brooklyn Dodgers.
If you aren’t familiar with Ritter’s book. It is required reading and is frequently cited as one of the very best (along with Boys of Summer). It is basically Ritter’s interviews with players who played baseball in the early part of the century.
I’ll also recommend the Veeck book mentioned above. It gives a good picture of some of the behind the scenes stuff that went on in the 30’s-60’s. The only regret I have on that book is that it doesn’t cover Veeck’s final return to the Sox in the 1970’s.
Roger Angell could be considered literary but for some reason, I don’t enjoy his books as much. I’m also not a big fan of books that are compilations of newspaper columns.
by rlpete on Jul 10, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don DeLillo's Prologue
to Underworld is stunning, a world class baseball themed exposition. I believe it’s so good that it’s been published extant from the book. Can’t recommend it more highly. It encompasses all of society in a couple dozen pages. DeLillo at his peak.
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jul 10, 2008 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you didn't get much further did you?
I agree it is great.
by patron on Jul 11, 2008 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is a great intro and a great set piece about that game. But the book itself is (crowd chanting) overrated.
by patron on Jul 11, 2008 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Biographies
Tend to be written in a format, so reading Veck’s biography (about which I feel similarly to you) is similar to say Howard Cosell, or Jimmy Buffet. “Now I talked to her, now we barnstormed around, now I drank with them, now I know you’ll think…”
Nothing wrong with it, but biography and memior leave gaps which Stories do not. Stories leave other gaps…
by patron on Jul 11, 2008 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I use baseball-reference.com a bit
but ill go to different blogs and to espn as well. I also have been using my company website a bit more as that always has good information.
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by mjk83 on Jul 10, 2008 1:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great topic
Off the top of my head, I’d highly recommend any books by Roger Angell-esp. “The Summer Game” and “Season Ticket” (In “Season Ticket” he travels to each ML park during the 1985 season-really interesting takes on different cities, fan bases, etc. He has some particularly nice observations about Cub fans (and he’s a New Yorker).
Tom Boswell, a well known baseball writer has published several collections of his writings and they’re all very worthwhile; particularly “How Life Imitates The World Series” and “Why Time Begins On Opening Day’.
“Wrigleyville” an oral history of the Cubs by Peter Golenbock is required reading for any Cubs fan-I’ve probably read it ten or fifteen times-fascinating to read the players’ takes on things like the 1969 season, the Dallas Green years, etc.
The aforementioned “Moneyball” was given to me as a gift a couple of years ago and I’ve read it several times-
“Lords Of The Realm” by John Heyman is another book I love-I never would have thought that a book covering the business side and the complicated labor history of baseball could be such a page turner but this one is.
“Ball Four”, Jim Bouton’s once notorious diary of his 1969 season, might be my all-time favorite baseball book. It’s especially interesting to see how different the game has become over the last few decades.
by bluekoolaide on Jul 10, 2008 2:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
About Lords of the Realm. Mandatory reading for those that blather about players being overpaid.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and remember, half of them are stupider than that!
by DaBard on Jul 10, 2008 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea Verily
“Lords of the Realm” is excellent!
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by CaliCub on Jul 11, 2008 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A young Lou Piniella features briefly in Ball Four too
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jul 11, 2008 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few more
If you’re curious at all about older players and want biographical info instead of just stats, two additional resources are:
This site has an pretty substantial database of the obituaries of ML players. Many of the obituaries are scanned from the NY Times.
The Society for American Baseball Research has a number of player biographies online as part of their biography project. Although the SABR site isn’t as extensive as the obituary index, the profiles themselves are far more in-depth.
Also, my favorite Cubs-specific book is probably “The Cubs Reader”, which was published in the early 90s. It’s just a compilation of things of things written about the Cubs, a whole variety of stuff, from Roger Angell’s essay about the 1984 team to excerpts from Johnny Evers’ book.
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by LaddieRenfroe on Jul 10, 2008 4:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel like a kid in a candy shop
thanks to all of you!
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jul 10, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs media guide is very useful...
... for various team records and bits of trivia. The media relations department totally redid the guide for this year and it’s vastly improved. Well worth the $15.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 10, 2008 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's available for free...
...as a download. Each game’s press notes are also available.
by cwyers on Jul 10, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting.
You can download all sorts of logos for teams and events on that link (the first one above).
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 11, 2008 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent notes on SABR materials.
SABR has a reputation as “those stats guys” because their acronym has been adopted by sabermetricians. This is a valid use of it, but SABR researchers also have done great work in baseball history.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 10, 2008 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've got to
check out Baseball America if you follow the Minors at all. No other publication goes into nearly as much detail about prospects. If you pay for a subscription you can access all online stuff…or you can pay less for the online stuff and not get the magazine mailed to you.
by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Jul 10, 2008 6:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It has everything you'll ever need to know...

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 10, 2008 6:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That is TOO perfect!!
VERY nicely done!!
by bluekoolaide on Jul 10, 2008 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its not a fake either
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Jul 10, 2008 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"You can have my copy...
...when you pry it out of his cold dead hands.”—B.J.
by patron on Jul 11, 2008 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best books
“Bunts,” by George Will. I read this every year. It’s a collection of essays on baseball. He has the knowledge of Costas, but he is also a realist about the changing game.
“The Umpire Strikes Out.” Simply put, the funniest autobiography I’ve ever read. I wish I was old enough to remember Ron Luciano on the field. Sadly, he killed himself about 15 years ago. (His other books are pale imitations, but still worth a look.)
“Summer of 1964” and “Summer of 1949” by David Halberstam. Absolutely stunning work.
“Moneyball” is indeed a fantastic book.
“The Lords of the Realm,” John Helyar. A touch dated for current events, but you won’t find a better history of the rise of the union in the 1960s and 1970s. Learn the power the owners once had and you’ll think twice about siding with them in the next contract fight.
“Big Bam,” by Leigh Montville. Excellent biography of Ruth. I need to get ahold of Robert Creamer’s version, which I’m told is superior. Montville also did a great one on Ted Williams.
“The Bad Guys Won,” by Jeff Pearlman. Story of the 1986 Mets. You’ll be horrified all over again.
I still want to read: Bill Simmons’ book on the 2004 Red Sox; Jeremy Schaap’s book on Jackie Robinson; and more of Roger Kahn’s stuff.
Here are some baseball subjects that I think really need “the definitive” book about.
- Harry Caray. This man lived one of the most fascinating lives. It’s amazing he hasn’t had someone take his story on.
- The early 70s Oakland A’s. Did you know this is the only team other than the Yankees to three-peat? (At least in the modern era)
- The 1991 World Series. Still one of the best we’ve ever seen. If Olney can do the 2001 series, someone can do Braves-Twins, right?
- Baseball from 1941-45. Exactly who DID play while the stars were in World War II?
If you guys can recommend a book on one of these topics, I’d love to hear about it.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and remember, half of them are stupider than that!
by DaBard on Jul 10, 2008 9:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"A Baseball Dynasty"
by Bruce Markusen is a great book on the 70s Oakland A’s.
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by CaliCub on Jul 11, 2008 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll look for it, thanks
Think of how stupid the average person is, and remember, half of them are stupider than that!
by DaBard on Jul 11, 2008 6:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I use cwyers
does he count? He’s my stat guy.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 10, 2008 10:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You use cwyers? What is he getting out of the relationship?
Sounds like there’s some issues to work out there….
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jul 10, 2008 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he gets a cute girl asking him questions
thats a benefit right?
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 10, 2008 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BCB of course, for my daily Cub fix...
Baseball Reference Dot Com for most stats.
Books I’ve enjoyed, to name just a few :
Moneyball-Michael Lewis
Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract- Bill James
I Was Right On Time - Buck O'Neil
The Celebrant - Eric Greenberg
The Universal Baseball Association – Robert Coover
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jul 11, 2008 12:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
36 Baseball Books In My Personal Library
For reference I use “The Sports Encyclopedia: Baseball” and “Total Ballclubs” along with Baseball-Reference.com and Baseball-Almanac.com.
Most of my other books are a combination of team biographies, retellings of memorable years in a team’s history, and recounts of famous games. “It Ain’t Over Til It’s Over” is a look at the greatest pennant races by Baseball Prospectus that I really enjoyed, and “Paths To Glory” is a great analysis of how specific championship teams were put together.
Here’s my Cubs books: “Wrigley Field” by Stuart Shea; “You Gotta Have Heart” by Ned Colletti; “Durocher’s Cubs” by David Claerbaut; “The Cubs of 69” by Rick Talley; “The Million To One Team” by George Castle; and “Baseball, Chicago Style” by Jerome Holtzman and George Vass.
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 11, 2008 1:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I got glory of their times today from the library
and am over a 100 pages into it. Awesome book
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 11, 2008 8:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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