Reds Dig The Long Ball: Cubs 7, Reds 12

by Al on Jul 10, 2008 5:39 PM CDT in Recaps Comment 268 comments

Maybe it's my fault. I did, after all, sort of predict this in the pregame thread when I said:

Let's be realistic. It's going to be warm and somewhat humid today with the wind blowing out. Lilly and Arroyo rank 5th and 6th in the NL in HR allowed. Watch for long balls on both sides this afternoon.

What I was thinking was that the teams would pretty much evenly split their home runs and the Cubs come out on top. I would never have guessed that the only Cub HR would be hit by the littlest Cub, Mike Fontenot, and the Reds would pound out seven, including possibly the longest one I've ever seen hit onto Sheffield -- by Adam Dunn in the sixth inning; it appeared to hit the Lakeview Baseball Club building just below the AC sign, a blast that, if you believe the foot-marker that was on that building briefly in the 1980's, was about 480-490 feet.

Even at that, the Cubs did try to climb back into the game, helped by some shoddy Reds defense; after the Reds took an 8-3 lead into the bottom of the 4th, the Cubs closed it to 8-5 on Fontenot's HR, and then 10-7 in the sixth when they should have scored more; Edwin Encarnacion's throw in the general vicinity of right field on an attempted force at 2B gave the Cubs runners on first and third with nobody out, and a run already in, but Ryan Theriot hit an almost identical ball to Encarnacion. He turned it into a DP; a run scored, but that was their last, best opportunity of the 12-7 loss to the Reds this afternoon, which, combined with Milwaukee's 11-1 blowout of Colorado and the Cardinals' loss to the Phillies, put the Brewers in second place, four games behind the Cubs, so the division lead shrinks by only a half-game, rather than a full game, as second place changes hands.

By the time Theriot hit into the DP, a moderate rainshower had dampened the Yard -- apparently, no one but us had prepared for rain, because I saw virtually no other umbrellas anywhere in the park and only a few ponchos; the rain and the unfavorable score sent about a third of the crowd home at that point, and by the time Neal Cotts allowed the last Reds HR of the game to Joey Votto, about half the 41,459 had departed.

These things are going to happen, even to good teams, and it's hard to sweep series; the Cubs won this one and if they can take two of three from the Giants this weekend, they'll go into the break in fine shape. But I do have a bone to pick with Lou Piniella over his use of the 13-man pitching staff today. Yes, there are plenty of relievers, especially after most of them got yesterday off. But that was an awfully quick hook of Ted Lilly -- yes, he wasn't sharp, but only 63 pitches? And Lou -- you've got a long reliever. His name is Jon Lieber. Why wasn't he the first pitcher into the game, if you are going to take your starter out in the third inning? (Not that Lieber did all that well today, either, but that's not the point.) Michael Wuertz, the forgotten man in the pen (hadn't pitched in a week, and neither had Lieber, for that matter), had nothing today -- the Reds pounded him. Maybe that's not fair -- the Reds pounded everyone the Cubs sent out there, including Chad Gaudin, who gave up a HR to the first batter he faced in blue pinstripes. After allowing a single to the next man he faced, pinch-hitter Jay Bruce, he retired the next six hitters easily.

In discussing this in the bleachers today, we reached the conclusion that Lieber or Wuertz might be the odd-man out after the All-Star break. Lieber's probably going to retire after this season anyway, Lou doesn't seem to trust him much, and he's only got (approximately) $1.5 million left on his contract. I could see him being unconditionally released. Wuertz, despite today's poor performance, does have trade value, and perhaps Jim Hendry is working on that. That makes tomorrow's start by Jason Marquis important not only for the team, but for Marquis, because he could also be on the "get rid of" list. One of those three is likely to not be a Cub when they reconvene in Houston next Friday.

Dave was also very critical of Kosuke Fukudome today; he said, "The Cubs wanted him because he supposedly had LH power, but he hasn't hit for much power." That's true, and I think most of us expected that his power would drop on coming over from Japan, as happens to many Japanese players. Fukudome has added value in other areas, including plate discipline and good defense, but the league seems to be catching up to him and he needs to make adjustments. He looked really bad today in going 0-for-5 and striking out three times; he'll go to the All-Star Game primarily because of online voting from Japan (I think all of us acknowledge that he really doesn't deserve the slot based on performance), but I suspect he could really take advantage

of some time off. With the Giants starting three righthanders this weekend and with only three true outfielders on the major league roster, don't look for much time off for either Fukudome or Jim Edmonds, and they could both use it.

Losses happen, even blowouts. The offense did enough today to win, but the bullpen failed -- eight runs allowed in 6.1 innings. Ugh. Go get 'em tomorrow.

Note from walking around the ballpark pre-game today: the Matt Murton jerseys are all on clearance. You can get one for $69.99, which in my opinion is too much. I'm guessing they'll be cut to about half that before any got sold.

Oh, and for those of you who did want, or still want, Erik Bedard -- it's a good thing he's still a Mariner. He's on the DL again. (And, just to note, that article also mentions the Mariners' release of Richie Sexson -- they are eating $6 million of his contract.)

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Least STL lost...

by Schizo on Jul 10, 2008 5:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Fist!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 10, 2008 5:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

lol

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by northsider on Jul 10, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ha

by sue369 on Jul 10, 2008 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh! So close!

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 10, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh well, it's a series win. No problem.

Now, how about that Michael Wuertz? (ducks)

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by northsider on Jul 10, 2008 5:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Hey Northsider.

Didn’t get your e-mail. Still want me to get some advice on mics from my buddy for ya? Oh and look for me and Goodie1969 in section 201 on Sat. for Harden’s debut.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 10, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Been too busy to check my e-mail, I'll look at it now.

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by northsider on Jul 10, 2008 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You've got mail.

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by northsider on Jul 10, 2008 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh well.

Thank God for Dempster and hopefully Harden because Ted Lilly isn’t a #2 starter—which he was for us last year.

Michael Wuertz hasn’t really impressed me all year. I doubt his future with the Cubs is very bright.

Chad Gaudin pitched OK—just a bad day to pitch, I guess. Hopefully Harden’s debut is better.

My new life, my new world, and my beautiful daughter:
Tamia London Davis: Due date (8-11-08)!

by Unique on Jul 10, 2008 5:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Lilly's back to his career #s

His walks are back up from last year, something I see as a bellwether for his success. One big concern I’ve had about Lilly since pre-season is that he hit a career high in innings last year and has never gone three seasons in a row for a full season. Hopefully he can get rested or something in case he’s called on for post-season starts.

by DGU on Jul 10, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

True.

He pitched like a potential #2 last year, but I think we all were surpised on how well he did as being a stopper for the Cubs.

When Hendry signed Lilly, I envisioned him as a #4 pitcher moreso than anything else. With the addition of Harden, we have him where he deserves.

My new life, my new world, and my beautiful daughter:
Tamia London Davis: Due date (8-11-08)!

by Unique on Jul 10, 2008 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep. But...

keep in mind he is now the 4th starter. Which is where he should be. So, how do our top four match up in the Division, and the NL?

Pretty darn good, eh?

by The E-Man on Jul 10, 2008 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, still good.

And I think Lilly still has the potential to show signs of what he did last year. I doubt that he can show it over 200 innings again. I will be glad long-term for our season if Lilly can get a minor 15-day DL break without serious injury concerns.

by DGU on Jul 10, 2008 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lilly's walks

2006: 4.01 per 9 innings
2007: 2.39 per 9 innings
2008: 3.12 per 9 innings (not including today)

They’re up, but not that far up. The more alarming thing is the HR allowed—19 already this year (before today), 28 all last year.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 10, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lilly is a fly-ball pitcher

Which worried me when we signed him, but while it works against him when the wind is blowing out, he does okay otherwise. He’s the kind of guy who’s better than his numbers simply because he pitches well most of the time but tends to get blown out occasionally when the conditions don’t favor him (i.e. today).

Zambrano viciously attacked a pair of watercoolers for the crime of being within his line of vision. It was a classic battle of man versus inanimate object.

by berselius on Jul 10, 2008 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rich Harden, fly ball pitcher

That’s what they said about him when Harden faced the Sox last.

by DrCrawdad on Jul 10, 2008 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You may want to note that Rich HArden

Has given up like 43 HR’s IN HIS CAREER!

His last 4 years it has been 7 and under.

Glendon Rusch gave up 21 or 23 alone, in 2006.

by The E-Man on Jul 10, 2008 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not breaking bad on Harden...

... just pointing out that I heard him described as a flyball pitcher. Of course, Harden is also a very good pitcher whether he’s actually a flyball, groundball or whatever type.

I don’t know if yearly and career HRs allowed are an accurate measure, ‘cos hasn’t Harden missed often due to injuries? It seems that HR/IP comparisons would be a fair measure.

by DrCrawdad on Jul 10, 2008 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not really

Harden has a career 1.11 ground out to fly out ratio, while Teddy has a 0.80

"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."

by californiachicagoan on Jul 10, 2008 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well...

those 4 years cover only 277 innings…he’s been hurt so much.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 10, 2008 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

In 89 career games

that’s almost one every 2 games. Not great.

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Jul 10, 2008 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That was my point...

you can’t point the raw number of HR’s given up in relation to TIME with Harden.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 10, 2008 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know

I was agreeing with you.

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Jul 10, 2008 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know

I was agreeing with you agreeing with me.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 10, 2008 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ah

agreed

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Jul 10, 2008 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

good

now, let’s go get some donuts.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2008 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 10, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yikes!

sorry—too big of a pic

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 10, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think you meant....

D’oh!

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by northsider on Jul 10, 2008 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Wait, people don’t like that.

A well phrased response, Northsider, as you used a catch phrase of Homer J Simpson, a cartoon character on the show, “The Simpsons”. Homer often uses the phrase, “D’oh!” to express frustration, anger or to react to a mistake of his own doing or other misfortune. It is amusing because I posted a picture of Mr. Simpson, who is also fond of donuts.

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 10, 2008 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I concur.

Indeed, Badger of Shanghai, thou art well-versed in the technique of my commentary. Were it possible, I would award you a point. But, alas. I will post a 10-page PDF analyzing my approval of your comment later this evening.

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by northsider on Jul 10, 2008 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well stated, old chap.

I eagerly anticipate perusing your pithy commentary regarding our dialogue. No doubt I shall be enthralled with your repartee.

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 10, 2008 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you two become bigger smart asses

every day. :-P

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 10, 2008 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You love it!

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by northsider on Jul 10, 2008 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

But I've been running on the treadmill!

Maybe I need to lay of the suds for a while…

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 11, 2008 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good one

I was one who said there was too much +1-ing and -1-ing. You made your point real nice there.

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jul 11, 2008 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, just having a bit of fun

And it was directed not so much at you from that camp. . . that’s all I’ll say . . .

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 11, 2008 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know

no big whoop.

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jul 11, 2008 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good deal.

Go Cubs!

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 11, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

One every 13 innings pitched. That is better than Z's

"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."

by californiachicagoan on Jul 10, 2008 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I dont know who you heard this flyball/HR thing, but he was wrong.

"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."

by californiachicagoan on Jul 10, 2008 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

By comparison, Lilly gives up one every 6 innings

"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."

by californiachicagoan on Jul 10, 2008 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Harden is slowly morphing

into a flyball pitcher. His GB/FB has risen every year since 2005, and this season it’s over 1:2. However, he’s played most of his career in Oakland, which has no doubt depressed his HR allowed numbers. It will be interesting to see how he adjusts to Wrigley, but his career home road splits tell us he’s been about a run worse on the road, so Cub fans should temper their expectations.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 10, 2008 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Most fly ball pitchers...

...have something of a knack for keeping the ball in the yard, compared to ground ball pitchers. It makes sense – if fly ball pitchers game up as many home runs per fly ball as ground ball pitchers, well, they wouldn’t make the majors.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Jul 10, 2008 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Teddy started slow, but he has been pitching like a #2. This is just a bump on a windy day.

"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."

by californiachicagoan on Jul 10, 2008 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

All I can think of now is THO...thanks.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 10, 2008 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

I’ll take Lilly’s great pitching interspersed with occasionaly blowouts over Marquis, who seems like he’s going to lose it at any second. If Lilly has it, he has it.

Zambrano viciously attacked a pair of watercoolers for the crime of being within his line of vision. It was a classic battle of man versus inanimate object.

by berselius on Jul 10, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nah.

I don’t think he’s pitching like a number 2. He’s pitching like a middle of the rotation guy, which Lilly is.

My new life, my new world, and my beautiful daughter:
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by Unique on Jul 11, 2008 2:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lilly is what he's always been

a guy who’ll battle and USUALLY keep you in the game.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 10, 2008 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and sing a happy tune as he does so, with Ted Lilly and the Pharmacists

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by northsider on Jul 10, 2008 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Er.

what is this a reference too! so confused!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 10, 2008 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

“Indie” music.

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by northsider on Jul 10, 2008 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fukudome's power

Let’s wait and see if he ends up hitting more doubles. If you look at Hideki Matsui’s first year in the majors, he started hot like Kosuke, got cold for about as long as Kosuke did and ended his first year with a lot less power evident in his stat line than he showed in later seasons. I noted this in the recap I did Sunday:

As of Game 83 in his ML career, Fukudome stands at .285/.391/.420 with 7 HRs. Matsui at Game 83 in his ML career had a line of .302/.365/.459 with 9 HRs.

I’d argue looking at that line that Fukudome has showed nearly as much power with more plate discipline. I’d say the jury is still out on Dome’s power and should remain out through the year.

by DGU on Jul 10, 2008 5:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I was thinking the same thing...

He’s got 7 HRs, I think he could double that and get us 15 on the year. The jury is out. It’ll be a long deliberation.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 10, 2008 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hope you guys are right.

He does have 17 doubles, so he should get to at least 30. I’d like to see him closer to 40 doubles.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 10, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You going to Saturday's game Al?

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 10, 2008 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 10, 2008 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll look for ya.

Goodie1969 & I will be in section 201, row 10 down the left field line. You sit in the bleachers, correct? LF corner?

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 10, 2008 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes. Will try to stop by if I can. 201 is not very far from our seats in 301 in the LF corner.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 10, 2008 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's what I thought.

Hope you don’t slug me for baggin’ on Pauly yesterday. I had a bug up my rump.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 10, 2008 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No worries.

Try to keep that down, though. Just think before you post. Thanks.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 10, 2008 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes,

discretion is the better part of valor. I shall think beforehand. We’ll be the ones with the BLUE MIKE was right sign. just kidding!

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 10, 2008 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have no problem with the lack of power.

I have a problem with the pitch selection sometimes. He doesn’t drive the ball as often as I thought he would. He struggles an awful lot with LH pitchers—and the higher caliber pitchers absolutely dominate him. I’m hoping he makes adjustments.

Kosuke blames the slumps on the fact that he’s not used to playing so many days—which makes me believe that the Cubs have to find someone that can platoon with him. But the amount of games he plays should not make him look completely overmatched at the plate sometimes.

My new life, my new world, and my beautiful daughter:
Tamia London Davis: Due date (8-11-08)!

by Unique on Jul 10, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Shot in the dark

I’m not sure how much mental preparation Kosuke puts into his ABs – but if he’s learning all these new pitchers and trying to prepare for each, there could be some mental fatigue as much as anything. I’m generally pleased with Fukudome.

by DGU on Jul 10, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That makes sense...

... and he definitely needs some time off, which he won’t really get this week. If the Cubs had some actual outfielders on the roster, they could give him a day off this weekend.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 10, 2008 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

they could bring up

Pie.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2008 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

They could, but probably won't.

I think they’re committed to staying with this ridiculously large pitching staff until Sunday.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 10, 2008 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I really don't understand it.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Jul 10, 2008 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't either.

Me, I still think 12 is too many. 13 is just ridiculous, especially since it means Geovany Soto doesn’t likely get a day off (which he could use).

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 10, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed, itll happen til the break

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jul 10, 2008 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Al,

While you are correct that the Cubs only have 3 true OFs on the roster, Lou is currently acting as though they have four. (And I can’t say that I blame him while Fonty is hot.) Reed Johnson could certainly play CF - even against a RHP - and give Edmonds a blow, play LF while DeRo plays RF for Dome, or (drum roll) he could play RF for Dome.

I think that Lou is being stubborn. Edmonds played far too much while RJ was on the DL, and I think Dome hasn’t gotten enough off-days the entire season. And, I think it is starting to show…

While it’s great that Dome is getting the ASG honor, he really needs the rest. I hope that Lou is smart enough to give him at least one day off this weekend and another against the ‘Stros.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Jul 10, 2008 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

“It’s starting to show-ee-oh-ee-oh-ee-oh-ee-oh-ee-oh-oh…”

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by northsider on Jul 10, 2008 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh no

you’ve reminded me of another set of lyrics from an artist I can’t remember and it’s going to bug me for the rest of the day.

Damn you! ;-)

We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez

by Emelie on Jul 11, 2008 5:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

wait...

is it that song by that guy with that group? Or is it that girl with the hair?

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 11, 2008 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's in my collection

with my computer in the shop (AGAIN) I can’t parse my iTunes database and will have to ferret it out the old fashioned way. Girl pop … excellent girl pop… argh… solo female artist. It’s not Lily Allen… I’ll come back when the mystery is solved.

We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez

by Emelie on Jul 11, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kate Nash?

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jul 11, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Feist?

Neko Case?

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 11, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think it's that one guy...

...you know, the one with the girlfriend who’s kinda hot and he’s kind of a jerk. You know who I mean?

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 11, 2008 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

shush

yer yanking my leg. It’s Nellie McKay.

We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez

by Emelie on Jul 11, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and the song is

Toto Dies

We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez

by Emelie on Jul 11, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

nooooooooooooooooooo!

not Toto! It’s always Toto…

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 11, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ah, I have her first album.

She’s wacky, entertaining and very talented – though the whole Broadway showtunes approach isn’t my usual cup of tea. My daughter loves that song about walking her dog, too.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 11, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

definitely not broadway

on Get Away From Me

We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez

by Emelie on Jul 11, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh, well maybe "Broadway" is wrong word.

I think you know what I mean, though.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 11, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yep.

We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez

by Emelie on Jul 11, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

hate when that happens...

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Jul 11, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm pleased also.

Don’t get me wrong. The mental fatigue thing maybe something to harp on.

My new life, my new world, and my beautiful daughter:
Tamia London Davis: Due date (8-11-08)!

by Unique on Jul 10, 2008 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, I thought you sounded generally pleased, too.

After all, even if Dome doesn’t hit for power, he fields exceedingly well, runs well, has more smart ABs than otherwise, sees a ton of pitches – we could both keep going on and on.

by DGU on Jul 10, 2008 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I haven't seen the last few games

so my opinion is based on incomplete observations. It has been apparent to me lately that he knows that the pitchers have figured him out for the most part, pitching him away, away, far, far away, and when they do come inside, he’s not ready. He allows a large amount of meatball pitches go by that he could rake on. I’m sure he and the coaches will figure out the tendencies of the NL pitchers and hopefully prepare him to look for the inside/less outside pitch in certain situations and drive it.

All things considered, him moving to the USA, his child and family here, etc., has taken a toll to some degree. He’ll bounce back and I am sure that before this season is over, his play will have a lot to do with our success.

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on Jul 10, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

and I think we need to take into account the fact that Dome and his family are in the process of acculturalization. He’s got a lot to absorb this year… language, culture, cuisine (seriously), and an entire new league/system. It’s a remarkable amount of pressure. Once he has a season under his belt, the family well situated, and stronger bonds established with the club, he’ll get back to his power.

We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez

by Emelie on Jul 10, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

true

by sue369 on Jul 10, 2008 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

A major difference, we need to remind

ourselves is his dramatic difference as a RF – when compared to the recently DFA’d ex-Cub from the Twins. Or Orange Guy. It is a rare instance now when runners take the extra base off of Dome.

by The E-Man on Jul 10, 2008 6:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I wish one of them would at least try...

...so Dome could gun him down. I’m also still waiting for Dome to throw out a slow runner to first base. Say…maybe Monsieur Sabathia’s first AB against the Cubs? Anyone, anyone?

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 10, 2008 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Playoff rotation

Assuming all ends well, and we get there without no injuries, and Harden healthy, wouldn’t you go with a 3 man rotation for the first series?

Lilly gives up way too many HR’S, so I’d think Lou would just go with Z/Haden/Demp.

Devin Hester, you are rediculous! -Jeff Joniak

by ARAM FOR MVP on Jul 10, 2008 6:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Lou's gonna want a lefty in there.

Can’t say I disagree either…

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 10, 2008 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Al, I agree with you about the quick hook

of Lilly today. I don’t like to second-guess, but I thought it was a dumb idea at the time. He was one out away from getting out of the inning. Let him pitch to another batter. Maybe he drives in a run and it’s 5-3; still no big deal. If Lilly gets him out, maybe he regroups and the Cubs don’t blow up in the fourth.

Regardless, I’ll gladly take two out of three.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 10, 2008 6:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Lets concentrate on winning series from here on out.

Taking 2 of 3 the rest of the way…will put us over 100 wins.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 10, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's right.

You try to win as many series as possible, and you go from there. You can’t win ‘em all. But you can win more than you lose. Especially this team.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 10, 2008 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Preach it

We’ll see if the Cubs can do a little better against Cain and Lincecum this time at Wrigley.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 10, 2008 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think they can.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 10, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm thinking Harden

wins his debut. So really, it’s only a matter of beating Cain OR Lincecum. (Of course, beating both would be nice, but …)

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 10, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Word.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 10, 2008 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Day Games

I may just be noticing this because I look forward to listening to baseball while at work, but it seems as if the last few day games have not treated the Cubs very well. I dont have time to look back at the results but it just feels like I havent listened to a good day game in quite some time.

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand. - Homer J Simpson

by MikeOxbyg on Jul 11, 2008 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

One note on All Star voting for Dome

He was in 3rd place in earlier stage of voting when the voting from Japan (and other countries over the net) was not counted – afterwards there should be great push from Japan when we got some news the gap to 4th place was narrowed, so I believe it was not simply because of overwhelming votes from Japan, I believe.

Also pls check his latest diary as he talk about his impression for being named as a All Star Game starter.

I'm bleeding Dragons Blue.

by dragonsfanatic on Jul 10, 2008 6:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for the link...

... and one thing I think we had mostly forgotten was that minor calf injury… which he says isn’t 100% yet. Maybe that’s something else slowing him down.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 10, 2008 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Since Dome and Edmonds

need some time off maybe we should bring up Pie?

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by tucsoncubsfan on Jul 10, 2008 6:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

They don't need that much time off...

Especially with the ASG break coming up.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 10, 2008 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dunn's HR was unreal...

..I have never seen an in-game ball hit so hard and so far to RF. It reminded me of the prodigious batting practice shots that Bonds deposited onto Sheffield a few years back.

It hit the building just to the south of the Lakeview baseball club so hard that it appeared to ricochet back across Sheffield and then back again to come to rest along the construction fence of the latest gut rehab.

Unfortunately that was the only thing worth watching today

Dome looks tired and lost at the plate..

by JB 23 on Jul 10, 2008 6:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Al, I liked your "get rid of" list comment

sounds very Goodfellas-esque

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Jul 10, 2008 6:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Really?

Hmm. We better watch out to see if Ray Liotta and/or Joe Pesci show up at Wrigley this weekend.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 10, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cub pitching the rest of the way,

Starters:
Zambrano RH
Harden RH
Dempster RH
Lilly LH
Marshall LH

Relief:
Wood RH
Marmol RH
Howry RH
Eyere LH
Cotts LH
Gaudin RH
Lieber RH

I think that staff is as good as any in baseball – starting and relief. I would like Lou to use Lieber more, but like Al said, I don’t think he trusts him.

Don't blow it boys!

by Mr W on Jul 10, 2008 6:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Hmmm...

I don’t see Marquis or Wuerrtz. Not that I want them there. I think we can get by without them.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 10, 2008 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You are right, Jimmy,

I have never liked Wuertz, his pitches are always up and fat. Hitters wait on him to get the ball up in the zone, and he usually doesn’t disappoint.

Marquis or Lieber are the odd man out, IMO. Both are veterans, both know NL hitters pretty well, and both are sinkerball pitchers. For me, Lieber is the pick, because he seems to be more consistent in the zone than Marquis. However, Marquis has given us some pretty good games lately.

I still want Hendry to use these guys, and maybe a couple more for another LH bat with power. So far I have been pleased with his moves.

Don't blow it boys!

by Mr W on Jul 10, 2008 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wuertz's K rate has sunk, and thats killing him.

His HR rate hasnt changed. But his walk rate has improved, but not enough to offset has awful K rate. He just isn’t missing bats. I dont know if he lost velocity, or is tipping pitches, or the league just sits slider on him since he and Howry are one pitch pitchers.

"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."

by californiachicagoan on Jul 10, 2008 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh, no question about it,

If you watched the game today when he can’t get his pitch over for strikes those guys just waited on his fastaball…then POW!

Don't blow it boys!

by Mr W on Jul 10, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's the rub on guys with only 1 good pitch...

if you can’t throw it AT WILL in any count to any batter to any side of the plate…you are not going to have success. The only human being I’ve ever seen have success with only 1 good pitch is Mariano Rivera. He can simply throw his cutter for a strike at any time anywhere over the plate he wants.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 10, 2008 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly,

and the fascinating thing about Mariano is hitters know exactly what’s coming and they still can’t hit him!!

Don't blow it boys!

by Mr W on Jul 10, 2008 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's got such great movement on his pitches

he gets hurt when his offerings are flat, but isn’t that any pitcher? Even Maddux, when his ball is diving and darting, he could pitch a no no, but if his pitches just sit up there and hang, bye bye baseball.

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on Jul 10, 2008 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Marquis needs to go because he's resistant to coaching.

Tries to be too fine with his pitches. He hasn’t been the same since LaRussa trotted him out to take it for the team, then left him off the playoff roster. I think he must have a fragile ego. I hoped for so much more from him.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 10, 2008 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've heard the same thing from more others too.

Don't blow it boys!

by Mr W on Jul 10, 2008 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think he trusts

ANY of them, other than Woody and Marmol. I’d bet he pushed for Gaudin because he thinks Gaudin can be trusted as well. If Lieber pitches 20 innings for the rest of the season, I’d be surprised. It’s a toss-up for him between Eyre and Cotts.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2008 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think it's misguided,

but I think Lou also trusts Howry, don’t you?

Don't blow it boys!

by Mr W on Jul 10, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No.

Howry hasn’t pitched in critical situations for quite some time.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 10, 2008 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Howry Cow.

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Jul 10, 2008 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Someone still needs to get him that t-shirt.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 10, 2008 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Or give it to me! :D

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Jul 10, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

nope.

and if he did, he doesn’t now.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2008 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think Lou's Bullpen Trust-O-Meter looks like this

Wood (but only in 9th inning)
Marmol
Cotts (for lefties)
Gaudin
Howry
Marshall
Lieber
Wuertz

Zambrano viciously attacked a pair of watercoolers for the crime of being within his line of vision. It was a classic battle of man versus inanimate object.

by berselius on Jul 10, 2008 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Which

Does not bode well for Wuertz by the way. I’m a big supporter of his, but he’s sure been pitching his way off the team so far this season. Would not be surprised if he was the odd man out (though I can still dream of a Marquis DFA…)

Zambrano viciously attacked a pair of watercoolers for the crime of being within his line of vision. It was a classic battle of man versus inanimate object.

by berselius on Jul 10, 2008 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I sorted...

...Fangraph’s reliever list by Leverage Index. Howry is third, if we ignore Chad Fox’s place on the list.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Jul 10, 2008 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm surprised to see Wuertz so high on that list

The list I posted above seems to be closer to what Lou has been deploying of late though, and I suspect that there will be a strong dose of ‘what have you done for me lately’ that spells bad things for Wuertz. He’s out of options, right?

Zambrano viciously attacked a pair of watercoolers for the crime of being within his line of vision. It was a classic battle of man versus inanimate object.

by berselius on Jul 10, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He has an option left, but has enough service time to decline optional assignment.

Wuertz would have to agree to be demoted, and he’d most likely insist on being traded or given his outright release instead – he’s got a long track record of success in this league, and someone would pick him up and give him a major-league job.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Jul 10, 2008 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

he’s got a long track record of success in this league, and someone would pick him up and give him a major-league job

BLASPHEMY!!!! WERTZ SUX!!!!!!!

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Jul 10, 2008 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

OMG!!!!!! WE'Z DOOMD!!!!!!!!!!

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 10, 2008 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd put

Marshal over Howry, but maybe he’s not because Marshal will spot-start.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2008 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not sure we can count on Eyre for much this year...

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand. - Homer J Simpson

by MikeOxbyg on Jul 11, 2008 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Who would have guessed

that our pitchers today would have given up seven homeruns? If they have to have these little bumps in the road now is a good time to have them. I think the break will help all of the team.

I was watching CTL tonight and Nick Swisher was on there and Kap asked him if he scoreboard watches and he said not really but he sometimes watches ESPN but all they show is NL teams stuff. Um, don’t they show a lot of Res Sox and Yankees stuff on there?

by sue369 on Jul 10, 2008 7:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Maybe he meant recently?

Its not often you get two huge midseason trades for pitchers to the asme league in back to back days

"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."

by californiachicagoan on Jul 10, 2008 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Who is Nick Swisher? Does he play in that newfangled American Baseball League?

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 10, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think so....I heard that the pitchers dont even have to bat in that league! Crazy stuff...

by JB 23 on Jul 10, 2008 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Its ok, Nick...

You’re in heavy rotation with the Sox :30 spots on the Comcast Chicago network. Like one out of every 6 ads…

by The E-Man on Jul 10, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hate those ads.

by sue369 on Jul 10, 2008 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

very lame

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jul 10, 2008 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why is this not a surprise?

n/t

by DrCrawdad on Jul 10, 2008 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll take, "This ain't a White Sox blog", for 500, Alex.

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Jul 10, 2008 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Whatever you call it...

... lots of Sox talk here.

by DrCrawdad on Jul 10, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And SSS never talks about the Cubs

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Jul 10, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And why should that be problematic?

We’re all baseball fans, right? So some of us choose to talk Sox in addition to Cubs. There’s also a lot of Brewers, Cardinals, Mets, and Phillies talk around here. In fact, with the trade season around and Ricky Nolasco pitching well, there’s even been some MArlins talk. The difference? No fans of those teams jumping to exacerbate trivial, insipid disputes that ad nothing to the dialogue. But screw that shit.

You want to talk Sox, let's talk Sox. Does Linebrink get another shot or does Ozzie go to Dotel? This is not to mention that, to my mind, Thornton is the correct choice, as you and I discussed here recently.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 10, 2008 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

F-n damn gray bar.

SBNation has screwed this blog up beyond recognition. It’s slow and glitchy and poorly introduced. Anyhoo, does Linebrink get another shot, or does Ozzie go with Dotel? As you know from our previous discussions, I think Thornton is the way to go, but what does Ozzie do, in your opinion?

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 10, 2008 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Poorly introduced?

“Hello, Stanley. I’d like to introduce my good friend… um… ah… my friend Sports Bra.. Um… Sports Bar… dammit… Sh!t. I’m sorry. I’ve forgotten your name.”

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2008 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We never got a proper intro/tutorial to this new platform.

It’s been all trial-and-error. Piss poor.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 10, 2008 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm sorry I ruined a baseball discussion...

... about the Sox ads when I responded to the insightful, “I hate those ads.”

by DrCrawdad on Jul 10, 2008 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

They play them during Cubs games, y'know...

...as well as during other CSN programming, like SportsNite. So we’re exposed to them quite a bit.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Jul 10, 2008 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't respond.

There’s no need. Taste cannot be disputed. Sue doesn’t like the commercials. So f-n what. I don’t like the “Jake the Neighborhood guy” commercials. That doesn’t mean I hate the Cubs, not does Sue’s dislike of those commercials mean she hates the Sox. perhaps she does, but her dislike of those commercials tells us nothing of here mind states where the White Sox are concerned. You come in here with a chip on your shoulder, ready to defend the White Sox’ honor, and you don’t even realize that there’s really no need to do so. Life is too short. Let Sue hate the commercials and go on with your life.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 10, 2008 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I also hate Jake the neighborhood guy

that doesnt mean I hate the product. Just the ad campaign and who ever is Jake.

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 10, 2008 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I love my Old Style.

But Jake is a total douchenozzle.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 10, 2008 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Horrible actor.

is it taking it to serious if I hope he doesnt get work in the future?

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 10, 2008 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Probably.

But those ads are hackneyed crap.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 10, 2008 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Jake need to go..

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Jul 10, 2008 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Brilliant!

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Jul 10, 2008 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

b/c complaining about a commerical

that they play all the damned time is the same thing as “lots of sox talk”

lame.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 10, 2008 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If the Cubs ever ran an ad campaign like that...

...I’d hate it, too. I think it’s in poor taste to show your team’s players basically gloating over hitting home runs and striking out opposing hitters. I see signs from the same campaign at train stations on my way to and from work every day and they drive me crazy.

When the Sox were struggling early in the season, I kinda wondered whether the ads were cursing them. OK, granted, they eventually disproved that theory. Nonetheless, it’s still pretty funny watching Jim Thome – whom I actually respect – hit a home run in a TV commercial and then hear about him going 0 for 4 in a real game.

I guess we Cubs fans are fortunate our team doesn’t need to advertise (much).

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 10, 2008 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Me too.

They are…

...MEGALAME!!!

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 10, 2008 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ARRR, matey!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 10, 2008 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, this makes more sense now.

Harang has a right forearm strain.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Jul 10, 2008 7:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

did that happen

last night?

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2008 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ayup.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Jul 10, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No.

He supposedly has had forearm soreness for a couple of weeks. I think he either had to come out of a start early or have a start pushed back.

The Reds had a very long game (15 or 16 innings) a few weeks ago. Dusty brought Harang in during extras - only two days after his previous start - and left him in for four innings. He hasn’t been the same since.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Jul 10, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

In Dusty's defense cringe

It was Harang’s throw day, and he hadn’t thrown yet. If more managers had the balls to run out their starters on throw days for say an inning, it would save a load off everyone’s bullpen.

That said, Harang going 4 freaking innings was pretty irresponsible, even more so having Volquez go out there next. At least Harang is a horse.

Zambrano viciously attacked a pair of watercoolers for the crime of being within his line of vision. It was a classic battle of man versus inanimate object.

by berselius on Jul 10, 2008 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What was his pitch count?

And I bet if Dusty was managing us still—he would leave Harden out there Saturday for a complete game, while throwing 130 pitches.

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by Unique on Jul 11, 2008 2:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Longoria and Hart win the Final Vote thing...

No surprise I guess…

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Jul 10, 2008 7:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

JD should have won.

Longoria has been great since he came up. But he hasn’t even been up for the full half season, and he’s a first year guy. JD is one of the most under rated players in the game.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 10, 2008 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Too many Red Sox

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Jul 10, 2008 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I AGREE!

Don't blow it boys!

by Mr W on Jul 10, 2008 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

JD= Jermaine Dye.

Not JD Drew…

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 10, 2008 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh,

well there’s still too many Red Sox.

Don't blow it boys!

by Mr W on Jul 10, 2008 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Way too many Red Sox!

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 10, 2008 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

theres just as many cubs

7 for each elected.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 10, 2008 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ah, Jermain Dye

but I still stand by my statement.

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Jul 10, 2008 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

At the beginning of the season,

would you ever have guessed that a Tampa Bay Ray would win the final vote for the all star game?

Isn’t baseball a grand game!

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jul 10, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Every year there are surprises

it really is a great game.

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Jul 10, 2008 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Once you have fan voting in the All-Star Game...

...which, may I remind, is an exhibition match, essentially what it comes down to is, “Who do the fans want to watch?” It’s the only criteria that really matters. White Sox fans don’t like it? Maybe they should’ve done something like voting.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Jul 10, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good point..

I was a little surprised though that neither Floyd nor Danks was picked.

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Jul 10, 2008 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ASG

I want the AL to win the ASG, but I haven’t stuffed AS ballots since I was a kid.

Good point…I was a little surprised though that neither Floyd nor Danks was picked.

I’m actually glad in a way that Sox pitchers are not tossing extra innings. Danks and/or Floyd probably belong on the AS team, but did the fans even have a chance to pick them?

by DrCrawdad on Jul 10, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Danks belongs.

Floyd is borderline. Danks should be there and maybe Linebrink, too.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 10, 2008 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sux hold best ERA in AL

How can you ignor that staff

by cubbierc on Jul 10, 2008 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, it's a big snub.

But so is Corey Hart over Burrell.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Jul 11, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 11, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

well

(and I rarely agree with Bernstein) the voting for the last player is $ driven and not fan driven. This draws fans to the site and without knowing it they are looking at ads and ads and ads. And as you notice there is no limit on voting for this last player——its lame.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jul 10, 2008 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You are so right.

It is an exhibition match that determines which league has home field advantage in the WS, but also is a popularity contest. A popularity contest that must have a representative from each team. Bud Selig has turned ASG into a dichotomy. Bud Selig is an idiot. This time it counts, because you were dumb enough to sit on your ass in Milwaukee and allow the game to go into extras with both sides out of pitchers? This time it counts? What an idiot. An exhibition should be an exhibition.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 10, 2008 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well,

a player from one of the least popular teams won the last popularity contest!

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jul 10, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i dont believe that it......

honestlt I dont

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jul 10, 2008 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the fact that this game determines anything

other than letting fans have a chance to see players they may not see is completely ridiculous.

its an exhibition game!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 11, 2008 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

but this time

IT MATTERS!

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 11, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Quick, somebody get Dane Cook over here to tell us more!

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 11, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I love Dane Cook

he’s so dreamy with his slept-on hair and his stolen joke routines…

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 11, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dye does have slightly better numbers than Longoria...

as Wright does over Hart…

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Jul 10, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If it was strictly about stats,

a computer could pick the all stars. It’s also about who the fans want to see play in the all star game.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jul 10, 2008 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well boys & girls...

I’m gonna go now before I go off on Bud Selig. I’m tired, and have caught up with our clients out west enough. It’s almost 8:00! Have a great night ya’ll, and I’ll see ya here tomorrow afternoon for a Cubs win.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 10, 2008 7:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

For those in Wrigleyville

did you just hear that thunder? I think my cat just killed herself in fear WOW—-window breaker

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jul 10, 2008 8:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Yes.

There’s one nasty storm coming through Chicago right now, for those of you out of the area.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 10, 2008 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol

excuse me while I peel cats off ceiling….

We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez

by Emelie on Jul 10, 2008 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Jul 10, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

How do you find these so fast?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 10, 2008 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm only a crude imitation of SWL.

I use Google.

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by northsider on Jul 10, 2008 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This one's pretty famous

not saying northsider isn’t super fast though.

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Jul 10, 2008 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd never seen it until I went looking for it...

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Jul 10, 2008 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's missing the usual caption

Ceiling Cat….

Is watching you masturbate

Zambrano viciously attacked a pair of watercoolers for the crime of being within his line of vision. It was a classic battle of man versus inanimate object.

by berselius on Jul 10, 2008 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Obviously I didn't use that one.

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Jul 10, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

well

not here, anyway.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2008 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

eww eww eww

thats one of those thoughts that once its there cant be erased.

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 10, 2008 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry

This was a little out of line…I sometimes forget that the internet OK-ness line moves from site to site

Zambrano viciously attacked a pair of watercoolers for the crime of being within his line of vision. It was a classic battle of man versus inanimate object.

by berselius on Jul 10, 2008 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ahh. celing cat

the great one!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 10, 2008 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nasty storms in "the region" too...

that’s NW Indiana if you didn’t know…

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Jul 10, 2008 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, there've been some loud peals of thunder

storms. great.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 10, 2008 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Any theories on why all of a sudden Mike Wuertz is the most hated man in Cubville?

Save your Wuertz-bashing here, I just want to know why he’s the Evil One.

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by northsider on Jul 10, 2008 8:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

unrealistic expectations?

People expect a middle reliever to be lights out? I don’t get it, either.

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 10, 2008 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not lights out, but..

.... today, he took a close game and put it out of reach. A middle reliever shouldn’t do that.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 10, 2008 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It was one game.

And people were ripping on him before Lilly even warmed up.

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by northsider on Jul 10, 2008 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

well, sure -- no one wants that

but the hate in the game thread was a bit much

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 10, 2008 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah.

And if we ever have a BCB Softball Game (I nominate myself for one of the team’s managers), it would be a matchup between the Theriots and the Wuertzes! Go Wuertzes!

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Jul 10, 2008 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

LSA for northsider.. thats really funny

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 10, 2008 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, I obviously didn't see the game thread.

Those do tend to get a little overwrought. But clearly, Wuertz appears to be the last guy on the staff, and doing what he did today doesn’t help his case for staying.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 10, 2008 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know you didn't see it; I think Northsider did

Hard to be effective when you never pitch. Same for Lieber.

A 1.4 WHIP isn’t great, but for middle relief, it isn’t god awful, either.

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 10, 2008 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well... none of our pitchers helped their own case yesterday.

I seriously couldn’t believe what was happening at the ballpark. Plus, most of the time, the wind wasn’t even moving. Every now and the the scoreboard flags picked up… but more often then not, they were hanging straight down.

It’s like everyone on the staff picked the same day to suck. Horrible. I mean… David Ross went yard twice fro crying out loud… with no aid from the wind.

I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on Jul 11, 2008 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Isn't that WHY he's a middle reliever?

Otherwise, he’d be a set-up man or closer who are the best relievers on a team.

In my opinion, middle relievers are a dime a dozen and set up men and closers are the relievers with high value.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jul 10, 2008 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

.....youre right

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jul 10, 2008 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

That was the point I was going for

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 11, 2008 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

thats the way it is

when FEW are underperforming

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jul 10, 2008 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Whats wrong with Fukodome

I was not a big fan of his signing but after reading several posts over the last few months started to be a believe in this guy but know he is starting to look very over matched at the plate. For what he is getting paid, he better start producing. How long is his love affair going to last. I am not sure if his defense is enough to make up for what appears to be a very long drought

Let go cubs

by cubsfaninkc on Jul 10, 2008 9:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Sigh.

Fukudome, past seven days:

.238/.333/.429

A few more dying quails and nobody would say boo about that line.

His numbers for the season:

.287/.392/.420

The average NL right fielder:

.270/.344/.434

I’ll trade .014 points of slugging for .048 points of OBP every day of the week. So he’s an above-average hitter for his position, and add to that the fact that he’s a defensive standout. If right field was our team’s biggest problem (hint: it’s NOT), we’d be fine.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Jul 10, 2008 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He is not seeing the ball very well for some reason

Pitchers are not idiots. They see that he is swinging at pitches low and away so they give him some chin music and then throw him that pitch. He just needs to adjust and learn to lay off. In the 2 hole, he should see more fastballs but because he is not swinging at strikes they are getting him out with Breaking Pitches.

The same can be said for Marmol. Hitters have realized that he is in funk right now with slider so they are sitting on his fastball. What further excerbates the problem is that he can’t spot his fastball on the corners so he is afraid to throw it when he is behind cause it is catching too much plate. So, he sticks to the slider which he can’t throw for strikes and hitters are laying off. His pitch selection is a revolving mess right now and he is having a tough time dealing in situations with adversity lately.

"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey

by TheRiot Police on Jul 10, 2008 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Any word on Harden's Bullpen today...

Is he cleared for takeoff on Saturday…

"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey

by TheRiot Police on Jul 10, 2008 10:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I heard Hendry and Harden...

...interviewed (separately) on WGN tonight and, yes, both said explicitly that Harden will pitch on Saturday. FWIW, Harden says he feels fine, and Hendry (also FWIW) reiterated that he and Billy Beane have a great working relationship and that the Cubs had full access to Harden’s medical history, etc.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 10, 2008 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Roger...

Lots of concern about his drop in velocity over his last two starts…so I was just curious.

I wish he was pitching tomorrow since I am blacked out on Saturday…

For those who care, the Melon Smasher pitches tomorrow night

"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey

by TheRiot Police on Jul 10, 2008 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Alas, with this trade...

..the “Easy Gas” vs. “Sledgehammer” debates becomes moot. Let A’s fans work it out.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 11, 2008 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

indeed

now he’s “The Kid Who Got Sent Away”

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 11, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Offered without comment, and kind of hoping it's lost and buried here

Brian Roberts, 2B, Orioles. The Cubs are still hoping to acquire Baltimore’s second baseman, but they’re reluctant to include righthander Jason Marquis in a deal.

Showed up here.

Could be incredibly stale leftovers from March/April, or maybe not. It was published yesterday.

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jul 11, 2008 3:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

There better be ZERO chance

that that is true.

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by AceCubbie on Jul 11, 2008 7:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

but only because the angst it will cause fans. If they really subtracted Marquis and added Roberts, though, it would be an even better team than it is now.

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jul 11, 2008 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I disagree

because it would mean destabilizing Mark DeRosa, who is a real big part of the foundation of this team.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 11, 2008 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

An arugment could be made that he's been performing great

in a somewhat destablized mode, this year and last (and maybe before that). I don’t think it would be better if DeRosa was gone….I didn’t say/mean that.

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jul 11, 2008 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've got to agree with your original premise

Subtracting Marquis and adding Roberts would help. Of course, it this really were still a possibility, I wonder who else the Cubs would have to give up.

If the main piece was, say, Marshall, I could see why they wouldn’t include Marquis, because then the rotation has a lot less depth.

If the Cubs are going to do some tweaking, I’d like to see a backup outfielder and/or reliever added. I don’t see them getting a major impact player for the middle IF during the season at this point.

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 11, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs